They released Photoshop. Shame on you, Fark. Shame.

Ender's: They released Photoshop. Shame on you, Fark. Shame.

Aye, and it's had its bugs and vulnerabilities in its day. (I started using it around 13 years ago.) But really, I think the "new bugs in every dot-release" meme is better served by Acrobat and Flash.

dbirchall: Ender's: They released Photoshop. Shame on you, Fark. Shame.

Aye, and it's had its bugs and vulnerabilities in its day. (I started using it around 13 years ago.) But really, I think the "new bugs in every dot-release" meme is better served by Acrobat and Flash.

Aldus PhotoStyler FTW.



And Autodesk Animator.

I guess we'll have to wait a little longer for 64-bit Flash...

draw yourself a new job.

unyon: draw yourself a new job.

Much better headline

unyon: draw yourself a new job.

Goddamn
Damn near ate my cigarette after reading that

Who needs Photoshop? I have MS Paint!

Unimpressed

I have a 100% legit copy of CS3 that I have to reinstall, I would say, once every 2 weeks or so. Every time I start a CS3 product I hold my breath waiting to see do I hear that dreaded 'Bing' followed by a popup saying "Licensing for this product has stopped working". If it does I have to completely uninstall and reinstall CS3, a process which takes about 4 hours a time.

It sucks goats' balls and the really annoyoing thing is this probably wouldn't happen to an illegal cracked copy. Upgrading to CS4 is not an option as it costs eleventy bazilion €.

This doesn't happen to any other copies I use on other PCs just on my home PC. But such is my fury I still feel entitled to condemn the whole company.

Adobe - I farking hate you.

Acrobat is, by far, the software most responsible for the various shiatty worms and malware currently flooding the Innertubes. It is garbage and Adobe's response track record to date has been very unimpressive.

//Uses Foxit

Doctor Jan Itor: I guess we'll have to wait a little longer for 64-bit Flash...

Don't hurry them, I LOVE my 64-bit browser not being subject to Flush.

BUT THE ECONOMY IS GETTING BETTER!

Also, lower the cost of CS4 and sell more copies, imo. For the vast majority, $650 is too expensive for a photo editing suite.

vossiewulf: Aldus PhotoStyler FTW.

Haha. I used to work on Aldus Pagemaker 5.0 back in the day.

benlonghair: vossiewulf: Aldus PhotoStyler FTW.

Haha. I used to work on Aldus Pagemaker 5.0 back in the day.

I have a copy of 3.0 on floppy

Nice to see that Adobe products are crappy across the board. I use Adobe Designer (for eForms) and I must say that it is the buggiest, slowest POS software that I have ever used. Just yesterday it crashed while I was saving.... of course when that happens, the remaining file I have is 0KB. So I have to start from a backup. My manager wonders why my estimates are so high, well it's because of product deficiencies.

The Adobe LiveCycle 7 suite was even crappier. I couldn't get it to install without errors. Of course support offered no support. I heard years later from a former Adobe Support employee that only one person has successfully installed it. They had a laugh about it. Real f'n funny, aholes.

Adobe can DIAF.

Cormee: It sucks goats' balls and the really annoyoing thing is this probably wouldn't happen to an illegal cracked copy. Upgrading to CS4 is not an option as it costs eleventy bazilion €.

This doesn't happen to any other copies I use on other PCs just on my home PC. But such is my fury I still feel entitled to condemn the whole company.

Adobe - I farking hate you.

Just download the cracked copy, you have a license to use it anyways so I'd think you'd have a defense if you got caught...

/IANAL

Cormee: Upgrading to CS4 is not an option as it costs eleventy bazilion €.

I don't know what '€' means, but at least it doesn't cost money.

Close2TheEdge: Acrobat is, by far, the software most responsible for the various shiatty worms and malware currently flooding the Innertubes. It is garbage and Adobe's response track record to date has been very unimpressive.

//Uses Foxit

That's very un-american of you! How dare you use something small and economical like foxit when you could be using the biggest and slowest (Acrobat)

Adobe Acrobat Reader is a slow, buggy, insecure steaming pile. It's been this way for nearly a decade now.

Flash is a crashy, poorly-coded, CPU-hogging afterthought on Linux.

I hope HTML5 makes Flash optional again.

Adobe is basically the market leader in shiat that will fark up your computer these days. They're not particularly motivated to release security updates and every time they do there's a zero-day exploit for the new stuff.

The general Windows-using public trusts Adobe's bug-ridden and terrible software, but they also think of it as secondary or tertiary to their main computing needs, so they don't think it's important to keep that shiat up to date.

The fact that Acrobat Reader wants to update Chinese language characters or something every time it starts up only exacerbates the problem.

People, if you're using Flash, at the very least you need to keep it up to date. That means installing the updates immediately as soon as you are prompted and rebooting if you're told you need to.

And there's no good reason to use Adobe Reader, ever. Foxit, Nitro and Sumatra all have far better PDF displaying products that won't lead to malware infections (yet, anyway).

In closing, I think Adobe's developers should be hunted for sport.

Adobe Blows.

/End of story

So will it be middle managers who are cut or the people who actually do something?

I know where my money is.

There is absolutely (80's IBM mode here) NO reason why Flash should require 64-bit memory space. No movie or animation is worth it.

likefunbutnot: The general Windows-using public

What does that have to do with anything?

Postal Penguin:

Just download the cracked copy, you have a license to use it anyways so I'd think you'd have a defense if you got caught...

/IANAL

I've considered doing that but you just don't know what you're downloading/installing. I'd rather reinstall twice a month than have a virus-ridden computer.

Cormee: Postal Penguin:

Just download the cracked copy, you have a license to use it anyways so I'd think you'd have a defense if you got caught...

/IANAL

I've considered doing that but you just don't know what you're downloading/installing. I'd rather reinstall twice a month than have a virus-ridden computer.

If you aren't confident enough to figure out if a release has a virus or enough to remove a virus you may have gotten then the problem isn't just Adobe.


/that sounds more dickish than I inteneded.

adobe photoshop, illustrator, and indesign cs runs on my computer easily and without problems.

jst3p:
If you aren't confident enough to figure out if a release has a virus or enough to remove a virus you may have gotten then the problem isn't just Adobe.


/that sounds more dickish than I inteneded.

Yeh, it does. It's also more of a reflection on you than it is on me.

You're saying that because I don't want to expose my computer and my clients' files to potential corruption/loss I'm somehow at fault?

Personally I'd say it's a reflection of a certain amount of professionalism on my part. People pay me well and expect a certain quality of service. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be impressed if I was to tell them I lost their files installing and running cracked software.

Cormee: jst3p:
If you aren't confident enough to figure out if a release has a virus or enough to remove a virus you may have gotten then the problem isn't just Adobe.


/that sounds more dickish than I inteneded.

Yeh, it does. It's also more of a reflection on you than it is on me.

You're saying that because I don't want to expose my computer and my clients' files to potential corruption/loss I'm somehow at fault?

Personally I'd say it's a reflection of a certain amount of professionalism on my part. People pay me well and expect a certain quality of service. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be impressed if I was to tell them I lost their files installing and running cracked software.

Since you went there....


If you surf the web you expose your clients files to potential corruption/loss.

That being said, while using cracked software exposes them to increased risk the point should be moot as you should have a back-up and disaster recovery plan in place anyway.

Of course my original point wasn't that you should run the cracked software, rather that if you knew your stuff you would be able to resolve the issue without having to re-install every two weeks.

If you don't, and this is your business then you should probably pay someone who can, four hours is a lot of lost productivity.


Or you can just biatch about it on FARK while doing nothing whatsoever to remedy the situation, that is a lot easier.

diminutive Japanese office worker: What does that have to do with anything?

Adobe software should be treated at best as untrusted and foreign on your computer and as malware at worst, but most people think it's harmless. This perception makes the problems created by Acrobat and Flash even worse.

erveek: I hope HTML5 makes Flash optional again.

Unfortunately, it won't, because Apple has a different idea of what the HTML5 video container format should be, and this crap isn't going to work without buy-in from all the major tech companies. Flash will probably stay where it is because of inertia and corporate dick-waving from Microsoft, Apple and Google.

Most of the problems I have on my PC are caused by Adobe Flash, I hate them.

DIASF

Oh, you want to read a pdf? Download this 37MB file, bundled with Adobe AIR for no reason unless your a developer.

First though, we need to install our download manager because...well, because we want you too. Let Reader install and five minutes after it shows 100% installed, download manager will finally give you the option to close it. If you don't wait, it will scream the installation isn't finished and will put a resume download icon on your desktop.

That wasn't so hard was it. Now go ahead and double click on that pdf and wait while we load a bunch of plug ins you won't be using.

*headbash*

/Fark you Adobe
//Foxit Reader FTW!

benlonghair: Also, lower the cost of CS4 and sell more copies, imo. For the vast majority, $650 is too expensive for a photo editing suite.

This! They need to create different pricing schemes for home/hobby users. Dreamweaver and Fireworks is $700. That's absurd for most people outside of a business. Even upgrades are like 50% of retail cost. Screw that.

"jst3p: If you surf the web you expose your clients files to potential corruption/loss."

No, because I pay an annual subscription to McAfee to make sure I don't.


"That being said, while using cracked software exposes them to increased risk the point should be moot as you should have a back-up and disaster recovery plan in place anyway."


I backup everything regularly. Part of my disaster prevention plan however includes not running cracked software. That's why I purchased Adobe CS3.


"Of course my original point wasn't that you should run the cracked software, rather that if you knew your stuff you would be able to resolve the issue without having to re-install every two weeks."


No, that wasn't your original point at all. Because you don't seem to remember what your original point was I've copied and pasted it for your benefit:

"If you aren't confident enough to figure out if a release has a virus or enough to remove a virus you may have gotten then the problem isn't just Adobe."

See? That's your original point. Nowhere does it make any reference to resolving an issue on legitimate software on a CD, you refer to removing viruses from cracked software.

But now that you mention it I have spent hours on the phone to Adobe but they haven't been able to help. Simply Googling the phrase "Licensing for this product has stopped working" will show you that the problem isn't just mine.

By all means keep on doling out the computer advice to me, best-practice business tips from a man such as yourself are much appreciated.

Cormee: "jst3p: If you surf the web you expose your clients files to potential corruption/loss."

No, because I pay an annual subscription to McAfee to make sure I don't.

Heh, cute.

No, that wasn't your original point at all. Because you don't seem to remember what your original point was I've copied and pasted it for your benefit:

"If you aren't confident enough to figure out if a release has a virus or enough to remove a virus you may have gotten then the problem isn't just Adobe."

See? That's your original point. Nowhere does it make any reference to resolving an issue on legitimate software on a CD, you refer to removing viruses from cracked software.

Seems pretty clear what my point is, you lack comprehension

Cormee: By all means keep on doling out the computer advice to me, best-practice business tips from a man such as yourself are much appreciated.


And I hit add comment a little too soon, but anyone who trusts McAfee to protect their business files on their home PC could use advice from just about anyone.

They look laid-off. I've seen a lot of layoffs in my time, you can tell by the pink slips.

Cormee: No, because I pay an annual subscription to McAfee to make sure I don't.

Hahahahahahaha

You're funny. You know that, right?

Due to budget constraints, GIMP is my new day to day Photoshop replacement. I would like the full version but not willing to fork over what Adobe is asking for it.

likefunbutnot: Cormee: No, because I pay an annual subscription to McAfee to make sure I don't.

Hahahahahahaha

You're funny. You know that, right?

He is going to respond, but he is busy re-installing Adobe CS3.

I have CS2, worked fine for ages, installed up an upgraded video driver it stopped working. Basically if you change your computer it can stop working. Good job Adobe. Reinstalling it was so much fun. Then doing it again when I updated some other drivers later.

Also how about the same interface for Photoshop and Illustrator? Would that be so hard?

/should just get CS4, probably will

jst3p: So will it be middle managers who are cut or the people who actually do something?

Um... I think the people who actually do something work for some other company.

/Has all of CS, a bit or two of CS2, all of CS3, a bit or two of CS4... is waiting for CS5.

erveek: Adobe Acrobat Reader is a slow, buggy, insecure steaming pile. It's been this way for nearly a decade now.

Flash is a crashy, poorly-coded, CPU-hogging afterthought on Linux.

I hope HTML5 makes Flash optional again.

I general tend not to root for MS monopolies, but I want to see Silverlight bend Flash over and sodomize it repeatedly. I've used silverlight to stream Sunday Night Football and its a great product, light years ahead of Flash and MS is at least somewhat decent in terms of releasing security updates.

Whatthefark: Oh, you want to read a pdf? Download this 37MB file, bundled with Adobe AIR for no reason unless your a developer.

First though, we need to install our download manager because...well, because we want you too. Let Reader install and five minutes after it shows 100% installed, download manager will finally give you the option to close it. If you don't wait, it will scream the installation isn't finished and will put a resume download icon on your desktop.

That wasn't so hard was it. Now go ahead and double click on that pdf and wait while we load a bunch of plug ins you won't be using.

*headbash*

/Fark you Adobe

You're my Hero of the Day!

I have CS2 and Elements CS4. Works great.

/Probably because they are pirated.

Cormee: If you have to re-install CS3 all the time, download a copy off bittorrent. And if youre scared about viruses, scan the file for viruses before installing. Problem solved.

Do that or contiune biatching. Were trying to save you money here.

Siskabush: Cormee: If you have to re-install CS3 all the time, download a copy off bittorrent. And if youre scared about viruses, scan the file for viruses before installing. Problem solved.

Do that or contiune biatching. Were trying to save you money here.

My reasons for not wanting to use cracked software haven't changed since my 11:17 posting. I have a legitimate copy which I'd rather use and I think I'm entitled to expect to be able to use it. Using cracked software is not an option as I am offering a professional service and charging a professional rate.

When they acquired Macromedia, they killed FreeHand, which was the only real competition to Adobe Illustrator.

THAT should have been an antitrust concern.

rekoil: When they acquired Macromedia, they killed FreeHand, which was the only real competition to Adobe Illustrator.

THAT should have been an antitrust concern.

Adobe killed Freehand, because it farking blows. Come to think of it, all Macromedia products sucked ass. I've been in the printing industry for the last 20 years or so, the last 10 of that in Prepress. Fortunately, the companies I've worked for have the kind of loot to keep up to date with the latest technology, that means investing tons of cash in hardware and software upgrades. I don't know what all the biatching is about Adobe products, my only gripe is they release new suites too quickly. Use quality hardware, and you shouldn't have any problems.