Not too long ago they had "Mountain Dew Throwback" which was made with cane sugar like it used to be. Man that was so much better than the HFCS.

i had gushers for dinner so you can go fark yourself subby.

Study co-authors include Richard Johnson, MD, Gerard Smits, PhD, and Michel Chonchol, MD (University of Colorado Denver Health Sciences Center). Dr. Richard Johnson reports a conflict of interest as the author of "The Sugar Fix."

Hmmmmm.

As someone who (a) drinks Mountain Dew religiously, (b) has a bit of a weight problem, and (c) has blood pressure on the low side, go fark yourself subby. Cold. Dead. Hands, subby.

That said, my main problem with HFCS is that it replaces sucrose, (which tastes good in stuff) with a syrup that...doesn't. I'm not just saying that because I live in an area dominated by sugarcane as a cash crop, but I wish Big Ag put a tenth of the money into cane production/use as they do with corn. Our food would taste a lot better. Also, we'd all be dying because of fat asses rather than renal failure...but that's beside the point.

NeauxFear: As someone who (a) drinks Mountain Dew religiously, (b) has a bit of a weight problem, and (c) has blood pressure on the low side, go fark yourself subby. Cold. Dead. Hands, subby.

That said, my main problem with HFCS is that it replaces sucrose, (which tastes good in stuff) with a syrup that...doesn't. I'm not just saying that because I live in an area dominated by sugarcane as a cash crop, but I wish Big Ag put a tenth of the money into cane production/use as they do with corn. Our food would taste a lot better. Also, we'd all be dying because of fat asses rather than renal failure...but that's beside the point.

mexican coke tastes sooo much better than american coke because it uses real sugar.

-sigh- not this again

HFCS is bad, because it's sugar, which is what's bad. Eat less sugar/HFCS, and you'll be fine.

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But it comes from corn! It's the only way I can get five servings of veggies everyday.

cretinbob: Not too long ago they had "Mountain Dew Throwback" which was made with cane sugar like it used to be. Man that was so much better than the HFCS.

They're bringing it back again at the end of December.

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TheOnion: FCS is bad, because it's sugar, which is what's bad. Eat less sugar/HFCS, and you'll be fine.

It's A type of sugar. Fructose. Cane sugar is sucrose. And they have very distinctly different tastes.

cretinbob: Not too long ago they had "Mountain Dew Throwback" which was made with cane sugar like it used to be. Man that was so much better than the HFCS.

*sighs* I miss that and the pepsi so much.

Hooray for correlations.

In other news...sodapop (new window) with real sugar.

cretinbob: Not too long ago they had "Mountain Dew Throwback" which was made with cane sugar like it used to be. Man that was so much better than the HFCS.

So was the Pepsi throwback. I wrote them a letter, they told me to get farked (not literally).

Also.

bbbbut the corn lobby's commercials said HFCS is just fine!

They taste different. It's fairly subtle to a great many people but it's still there. And yes, I find cane or beet sugar has a more satisfying taste in soft drinks than corn syrup.

IT CAUSES HYPERTENSION! WORRY ABOUT IT!!

/imagine the consequences if it was pure glucose that sweetened everything we eat/drink?

Another reason to put it down...
Mountain Dew mouth

I used to drink a lot of cola (with HFCS). I recently cut down significantly, and replaced my constant beverage at work with sweet tea (sweetened with cane sugar).

Since this one change, I've been losing weight and have felt better than I have in a long while. I'm also cutting out HFCS in breads and other foods. There's always an alternative that uses sugar or honey to sweeten instead of HFCS.

People don't realize that HFCS is not *just* corn syrup; It's made by a chemical process that is a lot more complex than just squeezing the corn into a syrup.

Still, HFCS is better than aspartame, sucralose, or pretty much any other artificial sweetener. You're asking for early death if you drink a lot of diet soda, or put that artificial crap in your food. Splenda is the devil.

I wish the soda manufacturers would consider stevia for their diet drinks. Tastes great (sweeter than sugar) and it's all-natural.

cretinbob: Not too long ago they had "Mountain Dew Throwback" which was made with cane sugar like it used to be. Man that was so much better than the HFCS.

That's the reason why I've quit drinking regular Mountain Dew. Well, except for on a rare occasion at a fast food restaurant. I'd gladly pay twice the price of regular Mountain Dew for some more throwback. I had enough Throwback stocked up to do once a day until the expiration dates, but that was a week ago :(

I've sort of replaced my Dew fix with Jumex, which I doubt is much healthier but it's got some real fruit in it so I can claim it is.

Why would you want to ingest so many calories from something that doesn't get you inebriated?

Mrbogey: They taste different. It's fairly subtle to a great many people but it's still there. And yes, I find cane or beet sugar has a more satisfying taste in soft drinks than corn syrup.

My blood pressure wasn't high, but high normal, I cut HFCS out of my diet, and my blood pressure dropped 10%. Not anecdotal, I've been tracking it.

Greta_VanHouten: Another reason to put it down...
Mountain Dew mouth

You sure that dude ain't British? Because I've read more than a few modern articles supporting the claim that Brits have bad, very bad teeth. Decaying in mouth kind of bad. CHILDREN with decaying teeth kind of bad.

Apparently some people in the Western world haven't discovered the toothbrush yet.

Greta_VanHouten: Another reason to put it down...
Mountain Dew mouth

Those mouths are more about never brushing teeth and never visiting the dentist than it is about the person's diet.

High Fructose Corn Syrup raises hypertension risk 87%.

Bullshiat.

Sugar is sugar. We're just consuming more of it in general.

Wow what's next? That Yellow 6 in my Cheetos is going to give me a brain tumor?

The moment you're born your life is already forfeit, so enjoy things in moderation and don't flip your lid because of HFCS.

And if we had all started on HFCS and been later steered to cane-sugar, we'd all be saying how much better the HFCS Mountain-Dew was.

/raised on cane sugar Mountain Dew.

AcheronX: Sugar is sugar. We're just consuming more of it in general.

Because it's HFCS. I was able to drink 2 cans of regular Dew a day, but the Throwback was so rich I could only handle 1 a day.

LegacyDL: The moment you're born your life is already forfeit, so enjoy things in moderation and don't flip your lid because of HFCS.

That might be a whole lot easier if they didn't put it in freakin EVERYTHING.

/hot like an organic baked potato

TheOnion: -sigh- not this again

HFCS is bad, because it's sugar, which is what's bad. Eat less sugar/HFCS, and you'll be fine.

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The biggest problem is that HFCS is so cheap that it gets put into EVERYTHING, even things you would not expect it to be in. Some things I've recently found it in: Clausen Dill Pickles and Kraft Italian Dressing. You have to read the label on every single thing to determine if it has the stuff. Make the stuff cost about as much as regular sugar and its usage might go down.

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Apparently some people in the Western world haven't discovered the toothbrush yet.

Folk in Appalachia.

That pic is from a GIS for mountain dew mouth, but it could be a combo mountain dew/meth mouth.

Oh, and Mtn Dew Throwback is different than the original Dew formulation in that it's missing the orange juice. It's still good, but not as good as I remember. Pepsi Throwback is the more faithful reproduction of the two.

AcheronX: Sugar is sugar. We're just consuming more of it in general.

Or you could read the article and actually comment on the science ...

/Wait, that's crazy talk

How much can the soda manufacturers be saving by swapping out the cane sugar for HFCS? They lose a lot more on people like me who rarely drink pop because of wanting to avoid HFCS.

I haven't drank sugared sodas in 20 years now. Yet some of my friends love to harp on me about how terrible aspartame (artificial sweetener) is for you.

I'm sure it's not great for you, but I don't know of a single person who has died from ingesting too much artificial sweetener. But sugar and high fructose corn syrup has killed plenty of people.

Truth be told, my favorite drink is unsweetened iced tea, but the caffeine will give you kidney stones. Seems like the only way to win is to drink plain water. Although that has killed people, too.

cretinbob: Not too long ago they had "Mountain Dew Throwback" which was made with cane sugar like it used to be. Man that was so much better than the HFCS.

I think they still do around Passover-at least in the bigger cities, but it's not easy to find and yeah, it is seasonal. I used to drink Mountain Dew everyday back in high school, but I honestly couldn't tell you the last time I had any now. Still drink the root beer once in a while, though.

zipdog: The biggest problem is that HFCS is so cheap that it gets put into EVERYTHING, even things you would not expect it to be in. Some things I've recently found it in: Clausen Dill Pickles and Kraft Italian Dressing. You have to read the label on every single thing to determine if it has the stuff. Make the stuff cost about as much as regular sugar and its usage might go down.

Or product prices might rise because they need to provide consistent taste to the customers. Yes, there's an overly subsidized sweetener on the market. No, companies don't just cram it into products for no reason. At some point Claussen, Kraft, and a number of other companies tested versions of their product with and without sugar, and with won. So they use the cheapest sweetener on the market. Cane/beet sugar isn't any healthier.

idsfa: Or you could read the article and actually comment on the science ...

/Wait, that's crazy talk

FTFA: Over the last 200 years, the rate of fructose intake has directly paralleled the increasing rate of obesity, which has increased sharply in the last 20 years since the introduction of HFCS.

This sounds like a correlation/causation logical fallacy. I think it's just as likely that people are consuming more because the serving size has increased over that time. 20 years ago you would get a 12 oz. glass bottle. They were phased out for plastic bottles, which then increased to 16 ounces, which led to 20 ounces.

Alacritous: TheOnion: FCS is bad, because it's sugar, which is what's bad. Eat less sugar/HFCS, and you'll be fine.

It's A type of sugar. Fructose. Cane sugar is sucrose. And they have very distinctly different tastes.

Actually HFCS is about a 50/50 mix of fructose and glucose, which is almost identical to honey, BTW.
SUGAR- cane sugar, or, more commonly in the US, sugar beet sugar which is used for the granular or powdered sugar you use in cooking- is a fructose and glucose molecule paired up into a disaccharide molecule. The taste of the sugar disaccharide is supposed to be the same "sweetness" as sugar, but the taste is not identical.

The body uses a number of enzymes called sucrase to break down sugar into fructose and glucose anyways. However, the sucrase mechanism may regulate the breakdown more so than dumping fructose/glucose (from either honey or HFCS) directly into the blood. This could indeed result in very different psychological and physiological response to it, but any difference is lacking in hard evidence.

And, BTW, Mexican coke is DA BOMB. Cane sugar Dr Pepper, however, is not all that remarkable IMHO. Might also be because Mexican coke comes in glass bottles and... I dunno, the presentation of glass is better for sure.

StormnMormon: cretinbob: Not too long ago they had "Mountain Dew Throwback" which was made with cane sugar like it used to be. Man that was so much better than the HFCS.

*sighs* I miss that and the pepsi so much.

Same here, it tasted so much better. I think that is why I love Jones soda so much it is made with sugar cane.

Remember how 7-Up said it went all natural, but really the flavors were natural cause it still had hfcs. That bothered me so bad I refused to drink the stuff, yeah stupid reason I know but man at least go all natural on everything, I'd pay more money for it.

TomD9938: And if we had all started on HFCS and been later steered to cane-sugar, we'd all be saying how much better the HFCS Mountain-Dew was.

/raised on cane sugar Mountain Dew.

No. It's actually bad for us. HFCS, that is. It shuts off our internal calorie-counting mechanism. Try eating organic for a week. I posted about this on my blog as a fat person who is slowly regaining control over his weight.

Alacritous: Mrbogey: They taste different. It's fairly subtle to a great many people but it's still there. And yes, I find cane or beet sugar has a more satisfying taste in soft drinks than corn syrup.

My blood pressure wasn't high, but high normal, I cut HFCS out of my diet, and my blood pressure dropped 10%. Not anecdotal, I've been tracking it.

But did you replace all the HFCS substances with their natural sugar equivalent foods? If not, then I'd imagine you're just experiencing the health benefits of just having less overall sugar.

Same thing with the article. I just skimmed it, but I didn't see anything about comparing HFCS to a controll group. Just saying it's seems like people put the blame on HFCS when it's more just a question of over consumption of any sugar

//though the taste is better of course

Oznog: Cane sugar Dr Pepper, however, is not all that remarkable IMHO.

Blasphemy!

Dublin Dr. Pepper is the nectar of the gods.

AcheronX: High Fructose Corn Syrup raises hypertension risk 87%.

Bullshiat.

Sugar is sugar. We're just consuming more of it in general.

Try to get away with that junk science with a biochemist or a food scientist.

And no mention of all the sweet, delicious mercury in HFCS? For shame! Oh, and Mtn Dew fans- the Dew in the 12oz GLASS bottle uses real sugar! And it is the same classic Dew as you know it now (as good as throwback was)!

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Oznog: cane sugar, or, more commonly in the US, sugar beet sugar which is used for the granular or powdered sugar you use in cooking- is a fructose and glucose molecule paired up into a disaccharide molecule.

from the wikipedia: Traditionally, sugarcane processing requires two stages. Mills extract raw sugar from freshly harvested cane, and sometimes bleach it to make "mill white" sugar for local consumption. Refineries, often located nearer to consumers in North America, Europe, and Japan, then produce refined white sugar, which is 99 percent sucrose.

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idsfa: Or you could read the article and actually comment on the science ...

/Wait, that's crazy talk

Now now idsfa, read again - where in the brief article does it mention any other sugars? Most mass-produced products will use corn syrup (fructose) because it's so damn cheap. So yeah, it is the vast majority of the average person's daily sugar intake. Do i need to get into the metabolic nitty grotty to prove sucrose (table sugar) is no better?

Alacritous: then produce refined white sugar, which is 99 percent sucrose.

sucrose is a dimer of glucose and fructose.

cretinbob: Not too long ago they had "Mountain Dew Throwback" which was made with cane sugar like it used to be. Man that was so much better than the HFCS.

I can get Mexican Coca-Cola at Cub Foods. It is so damn good, but I instantly have to run for the bathroom after drinking it.

The emphasis on high fructose corn syrup in the headline is misleading. It looks like the study itself was about fructose intake, with the conclusion that a diet rich in fructose is likely to have bad effects.

However, the real take home message is cut down on the intake of all sugars. The cane sugar that some people love so much is still 50% fructose.

Some info on why Mexican coke is only a specialty item.

Coca-Cola USA gets no money from Mexican sales, and it's a contractual violation of franchise territory to deliberately act to sell it up here. So, only third parties buying it off the shelf in Mexico are trucking it up here. They can't arrange for the Tijuana bottling plant to supply them.

Given the price of cane sugar in the US (due to import tariffs and only a limited amount grown in the US), Coca-Cola can't make a lot of money off of doing cane sugar coke. They're not set up to market expensive specialty drinks. They're afraid people will develop a taste for cane sugar and move onto Jones Soda or whoever knows how to make money at it.