There is an East Vermont? What did they do take over South Dakota?

If there was ever a man not to call Shirley, it's him.

Where do they bury the survivors?

Did he load the guitars first?

He was worried about the baggage retrieval system.

Yay more job openings!

The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

how can anyone get drunk on those teensy little bottles?

ObDeanMartinFosterBrooks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8L-ZZSc8JU

Who the fark cares? if it was an AirBus jet its all autopilot anyway. If its a Boeing plane he has a good 10-12 hours to sober up before the difficult part, landing.

I RTFA what was his BA?

It's called taxation
without representation
and it's not fair.

Rockin and a rolling
Splishin and a splashin
Over the horizon
What can it be?

Looks like it's going to be
Drunk piloting

How can a name sound so black yet so white at the same time?

"Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch you in de reboun' on de med side."

"My mama didn't raise no dummies, I dug her rap!"

"Cut me some slack, Jack!"

Anyone that has worked with pilots knows that next to the word "cocky" in the dictionary is a picture of a pilot. Sounds like someone thought they could party, break crew rest, and still fly. If the plane had done a lawn-dart imitation, it would be on the pilot with the BAC. If they follow the rules and crash, then they can blame it on maintenance. Yeah, they can doze during flight, but takeoff and landing? I'd prefer a 100% sober and alert pilot, myself.

freetomato: Anyone that has worked with pilots knows that next to the word "cocky" in the dictionary is a picture of a pilot. Sounds like someone thought they could party, break crew rest, and still fly. If the plane had done a lawn-dart imitation, it would be on the pilot with the BAC. If they follow the rules and crash, then they can blame it on maintenance. Yeah, they can doze during flight, but takeoff and landing? I'd prefer a 100% sober and alert pilot, myself.

What exactly is "break crew rest" ?

JimmyDukes: I RTFA what was his BA?

Dunno, but in another article about this, I read that in the UK you're not allowed to pilot a commercial jet with anything > .02, which is about half a beer for your typical man.

Gyrfalcon: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.

strawberryfieldsforever: Gyrfalcon: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.

The white zone has always been for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: strawberryfieldsforever: Gyrfalcon: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.

The white zone has always been for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.

CasperImproved: freetomato: Anyone that has worked with pilots knows that next to the word "cocky" in the dictionary is a picture of a pilot. Sounds like someone thought they could party, break crew rest, and still fly. If the plane had done a lawn-dart imitation, it would be on the pilot with the BAC. If they follow the rules and crash, then they can blame it on maintenance. Yeah, they can doze during flight, but takeoff and landing? I'd prefer a 100% sober and alert pilot, myself.

What exactly is "break crew rest" ?

Pilots are supposed to have X amount of hours between climbing off a plane and back onto a plane. 12 hours is the USAF/FAA norm. Private carriers or other services may have different rules. That means a pilot needs to step from the jet, and rest if the report time is 12+ hours until stepping onto the jet. No partying, in other words. One drink? Fine (but really not allowed if one is going to go by the letter of the law), but sleep or rest until they report.

/hubby is USAF aircrew and he's declined many a cocktail in observance of that rule

strawberryfieldsforever: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: strawberryfieldsforever: Gyrfalcon: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.

The white zone has always been for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.

Don't tell me which zone is for stopping and which zone is for loading.

rackrent: strawberryfieldsforever: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: strawberryfieldsforever: Gyrfalcon: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.

The white zone has always been for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.

Don't tell me which zone is for stopping and which zone is for loading.

You're just mad because I wouldn't have an abortion.

freetomato: CasperImproved: freetomato: Anyone that has worked with pilots knows that next to the word "cocky" in the dictionary is a picture of a pilot. Sounds like someone thought they could party, break crew rest, and still fly. If the plane had done a lawn-dart imitation, it would be on the pilot with the BAC. If they follow the rules and crash, then they can blame it on maintenance. Yeah, they can doze during flight, but takeoff and landing? I'd prefer a 100% sober and alert pilot, myself.

What exactly is "break crew rest" ?

Pilots are supposed to have X amount of hours between climbing off a plane and back onto a plane. 12 hours is the USAF/FAA norm. Private carriers or other services may have different rules. That means a pilot needs to step from the jet, and rest if the report time is 12+ hours until stepping onto the jet. No partying, in other words. One drink? Fine (but really not allowed if one is going to go by the letter of the law), but sleep or rest until they report.

/hubby is USAF aircrew and he's declined many a cocktail in observance of that rule

Fixed that....12 hours or under.

Wine.

freetomato: CasperImproved: freetomato: Anyone that has worked with pilots knows that next to the word "cocky" in the dictionary is a picture of a pilot. Sounds like someone thought they could party, break crew rest, and still fly. If the plane had done a lawn-dart imitation, it would be on the pilot with the BAC. If they follow the rules and crash, then they can blame it on maintenance. Yeah, they can doze during flight, but takeoff and landing? I'd prefer a 100% sober and alert pilot, myself.

What exactly is "break crew rest" ?

Pilots are supposed to have X amount of hours between climbing off a plane and back onto a plane. 12 hours is the USAF/FAA norm. Private carriers or other services may have different rules. That means a pilot needs to step from the jet, and rest if the report time is 12+ hours until stepping onto the jet. No partying, in other words. One drink? Fine (but really not allowed if one is going to go by the letter of the law), but sleep or rest until they report.

/hubby is USAF aircrew and he's declined many a cocktail in observance of that rule

Thanks for the edumacation. I appreciate your follow-up.

Gyrfalcon: rackrent: strawberryfieldsforever: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: strawberryfieldsforever: Gyrfalcon: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.

The white zone has always been for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.

Don't tell me which zone is for stopping and which zone is for loading.

You're just mad because I wouldn't have an abortion.

Its really the only sensible thing to do. If its done properly, therapeutically, there's no danger involved.

Roger, Victor.

roger, wilco

over and out

rackrent: Gyrfalcon: rackrent: strawberryfieldsforever: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: strawberryfieldsforever: Gyrfalcon: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.

The white zone has always been for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.

Don't tell me which zone is for stopping and which zone is for loading.

You're just mad because I wouldn't have an abortion.

Its really the only sensible thing to do. If its done properly, therapeutically, there's no danger involved.

I am the central scrutinizer, and soon you'll be dancing to: "the white zone is for loading and unloading only".

/I have a severe drinking problem. *splash*
//This is one tough bar.

CasperImproved: freetomato: CasperImproved: freetomato: Anyone that has worked with pilots knows that next to the word "cocky" in the dictionary is a picture of a pilot. Sounds like someone thought they could party, break crew rest, and still fly. If the plane had done a lawn-dart imitation, it would be on the pilot with the BAC. If they follow the rules and crash, then they can blame it on maintenance. Yeah, they can doze during flight, but takeoff and landing? I'd prefer a 100% sober and alert pilot, myself.

What exactly is "break crew rest" ?

Pilots are supposed to have X amount of hours between climbing off a plane and back onto a plane. 12 hours is the USAF/FAA norm. Private carriers or other services may have different rules. That means a pilot needs to step from the jet, and rest if the report time is 12+ hours until stepping onto the jet. No partying, in other words. One drink? Fine (but really not allowed if one is going to go by the letter of the law), but sleep or rest until they report.

/hubby is USAF aircrew and he's declined many a cocktail in observance of that rule

Thanks for the edumacation. I appreciate your follow-up.

I should have said 12- hours. Just catching myself before anyone familiar with crew rest rules calls me on it.

12 PLUS!!! ParTAY!!!!

A bit of wine...

freetomato: CasperImproved: freetomato: Anyone that has worked with pilots knows that next to the word "cocky" in the dictionary is a picture of a pilot. Sounds like someone thought they could party, break crew rest, and still fly. If the plane had done a lawn-dart imitation, it would be on the pilot with the BAC. If they follow the rules and crash, then they can blame it on maintenance. Yeah, they can doze during flight, but takeoff and landing? I'd prefer a 100% sober and alert pilot, myself.

What exactly is "break crew rest" ?

Pilots are supposed to have X amount of hours between climbing off a plane and back onto a plane. 12 hours is the USAF/FAA norm. Private carriers or other services may have different rules. That means a pilot needs to step from the jet, and rest if the report time is 12+ hours until stepping onto the jet. No partying, in other words. One drink? Fine (but really not allowed if one is going to go by the letter of the law), but sleep or rest until they report.

/hubby is USAF aircrew and he's declined many a cocktail in observance of that rule

I once boarded a Friday night flight home from a business trip in D.C. Man, was I ready to be home. Everything was cool, all passengers boarded ahead of time, doors closed. There was about a delay pushing off because of traffic. Then, the crew came on the intercom to inform us that the flight crew had just exceeded their on-duty hours (or whatever it's called), and the flight was canceled; check in tomorrow night, same time, see the ticket agent, suckers. WTF!?

Then (I was toward the front of the plane) I saw the pilot and copilot dragging their asses and bags out of the cockpit to the jetway.

They looked like death warmed over, red-rimmed bloodshot eyes, sunken faces, slumped shoulders.

I stepped off that farking aluminum death tube without the least complaint, hit a few museums in the morning, and gratefully headed home the next night.

/you're welcome for the cool story, bros!

If the problem is pilots becoming bored, the carriers could save money by having them serve meals/drinks during the flight.

Hey Buck,
Blessing in disguise. Your crew was about to bust crew rest. That is the term. You do not want a tired pilot launching your plane if a refreshed pilot can. One time when I got stuck on the ground it was because a hydraulic issue was noticed on the flightline. I'd glad they notice a maintenance issue on the ground than at 30,000 feet. Just me. I've worked around aircraft most of my life so I'm pretty amiable when issues surrounding maintenance arise at the airport. I get it. I don't stress out like the civilians who don't understand aircraft ops. And as much as we feel like flying is like taking an elevator, (and a lot of it is, really) do you want to take the chance of being under the care of a less than 100% pilot? I don't. Those guys make really good money - they can be sober to do their jobs.

Johnny, how about some coffee.

No thanks.

freetomato: Hey Buck,
Blessing in disguise. Your crew was about to bust crew rest. That is the term. You do not want a tired pilot launching your plane if a refreshed pilot can. One time when I got stuck on the ground it was because a hydraulic issue was noticed on the flightline. I'd glad they notice a maintenance issue on the ground than at 30,000 feet. Just me. I've worked around aircraft most of my life so I'm pretty amiable when issues surrounding maintenance arise at the airport. I get it. I don't stress out like the civilians who don't understand aircraft ops. And as much as we feel like flying is like taking an elevator, (and a lot of it is, really) do you want to take the chance of being under the care of a less than 100% pilot? I don't. Those guys make really good money - they can be sober to do their jobs.

Exactly. No complaints. I have no fear of flying and sleep like a baby on the plane, but I'm in no hurry and any time I land alive is a great flight.

BuckTurgidson: freetomato: Hey Buck,
Blessing in disguise. Your crew was about to bust crew rest. That is the term. You do not want a tired pilot launching your plane if a refreshed pilot can. One time when I got stuck on the ground it was because a hydraulic issue was noticed on the flightline. I'd glad they notice a maintenance issue on the ground than at 30,000 feet. Just me. I've worked around aircraft most of my life so I'm pretty amiable when issues surrounding maintenance arise at the airport. I get it. I don't stress out like the civilians who don't understand aircraft ops. And as much as we feel like flying is like taking an elevator, (and a lot of it is, really) do you want to take the chance of being under the care of a less than 100% pilot? I don't. Those guys make really good money - they can be sober to do their jobs.

Exactly. No complaints. I have no fear of flying and sleep like a baby on the plane, but I'm in no hurry and any time I land alive is a great flight.

Right on.

You're the dude who orders a cocktail alongside me, then does not annoy me through my flight, and if I am lucky, is an interesting seat-mate.

/Just me or are there some seriously cool gadgets in that Sky Mall catalogue?

Yeah, improperly rested pilots sometimes do things that might make passengers uncomfortable.

Never trust anyone who parts his name on the left.

C'mon guys live a little! It's just like being in Lynard Skynard!

dbirchall: JimmyDukes: I RTFA what was his BA?

Dunno, but in another article about this, I read that in the UK you're not allowed to pilot a commercial jet with anything > .02, which is about half a beer for your typical man.

I probably don't even wake up with less than a .02 BAC. Retirement is great. I won't be needing my liver much longer.

rackrent: Gyrfalcon: rackrent: strawberryfieldsforever: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: strawberryfieldsforever: Gyrfalcon: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.

The white zone has always been for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.

Don't tell me which zone is for stopping and which zone is for loading.

You're just mad because I wouldn't have an abortion.

Its really the only sensible thing to do. If its done properly, therapeutically, there's no danger involved.

So let me guess, parking in one's white zone results in a exit from the red zone? Who was the towing company?

feckingmorons: There is an East Vermont? What did they do take over South Dakota?

You've apparently never heard of North Montana:



/Possibly the oldest joke in the state
//Runner-up: "It's fitting the wind farm in Montana is the most productive in the world - Idaho sucks and NoDak blows."
///Along with a black eye being a "North Dakotan wedding ring".

I've been to Vermont's Northeast Kingdom and this explains a lot. Native Vermonters are pretty much like these guys:



If you are at least 30 you will remember them from re-runs. Yes "Larry" was in Blade Runner and Andersonville.

After 9-11 the pay for pilots dropped significantly.

Pilotsno longer make 6 figures. In fact, a pilot at a regional airport with less than 5 years of tenure makes less than $60k.

samimek: After 9-11 the pay for pilots dropped significantly.

Pilotsno longer make 6 figures. In fact, a pilot at a regional airport with less than 5 years of tenure makes less than $60k.

Hell, there are airline pilots out there making less than $30k. 9/11 changed everything for pilots and those changes are the reason I bailed on the career.

red zone vs white zone
Nobody pays attention anyway because it's "only for a minute officer" and they're entitled because they're special.

Flying for the airlines is a boring job. Most of the time.

skymall
There are some amazing gadgets there but....
what the hell is that combination hot dog/bun warmer contraption?

Was his co-pilot named W. Oklahoma California?

Inflatable Rhetoric: Flying for the airlines is a boring job. Most of the time.

Not unless you do a Barrel roll in one!

What's going on? First you cannot sleep while flying to Minnesota, next you cannot get drunk? All that will be left for pilots is to boink the flight attendants.