secret courts, rising unemployment, economy in the crapper...oh yeah, we're doing just peachy...

Is it ok if I blame this on Bush?

And to think EFF only exists because of the equally douchey Secret Service and their assault on......an RP-Game company. Cyberpunk is looking less and less like a game and more like reality every day.

Well, even though Indymedia has an accuracy I'd assess as normally about half that of AboveTopSecret.com, this is purest bs. Good job IM and EFF.

/meet the new boss, same as the old boss
//would be interesting to see what was going on that day on IM, maybe someone posted something they shouldn't have

HypnozombieX: And to think EFF only exists because of the equally douchey Secret Service and their assault on......an RP-Game company. Cyberpunk is looking less and less like a game and more like reality every day.

I know - weird, isn't it? It's been a long, strange trip.

erewhon: Well, even though Indymedia has an accuracy I'd assess as normally about half that of AboveTopSecret.com, this is purest bs. Good job IM and EFF.

/meet the new boss, same as the old boss
//would be interesting to see what was going on that day on IM, maybe someone posted something they shouldn't have

sometimes I think the Fed is just fishing.

minoridiot: Is it ok if I blame this on Bush?

Bush who?

Weaver95: sometimes I think the Fed is just fishing.

That's a bit too much effort just to show you're the alpha male.

My first suspicion would be that someone posted something in the comments that was both (a) accurate and (b) not generally known (especially something SCI), or something that accurately matched a previous threat considered possibly valid in both detail and phrasing.

Had it been a threat against a gubmint critter, it would have been SS, a secrecy breach is generally handled by DIA if it's military, FBI handles stuff like Sandia or LA, or if it was someone burning a foreign intel agent.

For gubmental breaches not involving threats or intel it's often DOJ. So while there's no strong rule forcing it to be, there's a good bet that it's some sort o' undesired political level disclosure.

What's intriguing was the "endangering health" guilt trip attempt by DOJ, you hear that on exposed agents too, so it might be a domestic intel breach, say someone embedded in Aryan Nations or something.

The combo of details is a bit odd. If I had a lot of time (and if you can comb Indy by date) it might be worth browsing through for the lulz.

What makes me throw up in my mouth a little is the thought that someone, somewhere, in a little concrete block room painted Gubmint Green, is stuck reading Indymedia looking for breaches, comment by comment. It's bad enough for the two guys at DIA that read Fark. (waves at Mike - make sure you read every comment in politics, guys!)

Wow, that was a really well-written takedown of the subpoena. Those guys at the EFF know their stuff, obviously. And the more times that stuff like this happens, the more exposure it'll get, because the EFF isn't going to back down from government pressure at all.

They might have to go on the Christmas card list this year.

erewhon: It's bad enough for the two guys at DIA that read Fark. (waves at Mike - make sure you read every comment in politics, guys!)

I wish I could get paid more to read fark every day....

phyrkrakr: Those guys at the EFF know their stuff, obviously

You know who eles knew their stuff? (new window)

/strangely approp

Knara: I wish I could get paid more to read fark every day....

At one time, there was a volunteer program for people with a certain prior service profile that assigned you sites to comb through for posts that met certain criteria. You didn't get paid for it, but it had the highest cost/performance ratio of just about anything in terms of correctly spotting issues. So they probably killed it and rolled it's penny-ante little budget into something more interesting, like another web miner.

erewhon: it's

wow, not enough coffee this morning. No need to post the angry flower thing.

indymedia happens to have a vast amount of great reporting from all over the globe. Things that don't get covered in the news at all.

DemocracyNow! is way better as far as general news go, but you cannot discount indymedia as an excellent source for local issues that go unnoticed.

Hah, I don't log HTTP traffic on my servers. I guess if ever get subpoena like this I'd just have to send them a blank text file.

notq: indymedia happens to have a vast amount of great reporting from all over the globe. Things that don't get covered in the news at all.

Unfortunately, at least the articles I'm qualified to judge seem quite often to be 'less than accurate', which leaves me suspicious of the rest.

Grant you, it's often entertaining.

DemocracyNow! isn't worth reading. If you want accurate reporting from a socialist/communist point of view, WSWS.ORG seems to have fairly high standards for accuracy and, oddly, balance. You just have to ignore the first and last paragraph of any long article, which will invariably have some sort of oddly inappropriate exhortation to rise up and overthrow the capitalist running dogs. It reminds me a bit of listening to the English language broadcasts from communist China during the old days.

minoridiot: Is it ok if I blame this on Bush?

Considering it was sent out when Bush was still in office... yes, yes you can.

Gormenghast: minoridiot: Is it ok if I blame this on Bush?

Considering it was sent out when Bush was still in office... yes, yes you can.

Ah, my mistake. It was actually sent out on January 23. 3 days after Obama took office.

I'm torn... on the one hand, this really puts a wrench in liberal's soggy fantasies of how Obama's presidency would lead in a new era of sunshine and puppies. Face it... he is Big-Government (TM) and his side wants to control every tiny aspect of citizen's lives. On the other hand, Indymedia are mostly a bunch of anarchists and weirdy-beardies spreading unverified lies and propaganda, and I really couldn't care less if their "rights" (as if a web site even has rights) are violated.

No Such Agency: I'm torn... on the one hand, this really puts a wrench in liberal's soggy fantasies of how Obama's presidency would lead in a new era of sunshine and puppies. Face it... he is Big-Government (TM) and his side wants to control every tiny aspect of citizen's lives. On the other hand, Indymedia are mostly a bunch of anarchists and weirdy-beardies spreading unverified lies and propaganda, and I really couldn't care less if their "rights" (as if a web site even has rights) are violated.

Yes, Obama and his Government want to control everything - like whom you fark and how, how you die (Court decisions be damned!!), what happens to your uterus (and any cells resident therein)...

I understand you don't like some of their policies, but to say this is a new phenomenon makes you look like a moron.

// and First Amendment rights should ALWAYS apply, absent some extremely compelling state/national interest - for DU, DailyKos, RedState, NRO, LGF, The Atlantic, NYTimes, WSJ, WashPo, LATimes, Hot Air, Stormfront, CodePink - ALWAYS

Update 1:59pm E.T.: A Justice Department official familiar with this subpoena just told [Declan McCullagh] that the attorney general's office never saw it and that it had not been submitted to the department's headquarters in Washington, D.C. for review. If that's correct, it suggests that U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison and Assistant U.S. Attorney Doris Pryor did not follow department regulations. (cbsnews)

Summary of some political events from June 25, 2008 (tp)

Guessing discussion of Dodd's speech on the Senate floor in opposition to the FISA reform bill may have been the event of interest.

No Such Agency: I'm torn... on the one hand, this really puts a wrench in liberal's soggy fantasies of how Obama's presidency would lead in a new era of sunshine and puppies. Face it... he is Big-Government (TM) and his side wants to control every tiny aspect of citizen's lives. On the other hand, Indymedia are mostly a bunch of anarchists and weirdy-beardies spreading unverified lies and propaganda, and I really couldn't care less if their "rights" (as if a web site even has rights) are violated.

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