Sounds about right for police in this part of Oregon. My roommate has been the victim of police abuse on multiple occasions, after the police were called ON HIS EX WIFE.

That's why I hate dogs.

Thank goodness! They set the dog on the white guy! If they set the dog on the black guy, the police would be ..........RACIST!

FTFA: Officer Wayne Dorman wrote in a police report that he approached the area of Crossan's house where the fight was happening and couldn't see clearly because "it was dark and full of dust."

THEN WHY THE FARK DID YOU UNLEASH A POTENTIALLY DEADLY WEAPON?

I farking hate cops, so damned much.

That's why you don't bring a dog to a... wait what?

Occam's Nailfile: FTFA: Officer Wayne Dorman wrote in a police report that he approached the area of Crossan's house where the fight was happening and couldn't see clearly because "it was dark and full of dust."

THEN WHY THE FARK DID YOU UNLEASH A POTENTIALLY DEADLY WEAPON?


I suspect some badgelicker will be along shortly with the usual wargarbbbbl and explain it to you.

Occam's Nailfile: FTFA: Officer Wayne Dorman wrote in a police report that he approached the area of Crossan's house where the fight was happening and couldn't see clearly because "it was dark and full of dust."

THEN WHY THE FARK DID YOU UNLEASH A POTENTIALLY DEADLY WEAPON?

I farking hate cops, so damned much.

This x 1000.

EVERY concealed carry permit holder knows to check your targets first, and do not fire until you confirm who you are shooting at.

Police apparently receive no such training.

portscanner: Thank goodness! They set the dog on the white guy! If they set the dog on the black guy, the police would be ..........RACIST!
*Sarcasm noted*
Logical since it was reported that the intruder was black.
I am sure that I am not alone in showing complete lack of surprise at this whole fiasco.

Where are cruiser12 and the other cops to defend this and point out what the victim did wrong?

FTA: Crossan...figures the stranger he fought is some kind of degenerate.

He says that because a police officer allegedly found a pair of frilly women's underwear on the floor in the area where he scuffled with the intruder. Crossan said they don't belong to anyone residing at his house.

"The main thing that gets me about all of this is that there's a pervert running around in my neighborhood, and I want this guy caught," he said.

wtf?

portscanner: Thank goodness! They set the dog on the white guy! If they set the dog on the black guy, the police would be ..........RACIST!

what.

Hard to fault the dog. Who doesn't prefer white meat to dark?

"...acting exactly like a burglar in the house"

Did he have a black mask on and carry a round bomb with a fuse in it?

Here is another thread where fark malcontents can vent their childish hatred of authority because of an isolated incident in a nation of three hundred million where hundreds of thousands of police do their job, and do it well everyday.

*Gets cards out for talking points*
Um... let's see here.... ah! Here we go: "This is an isolated incident involving only a few bad apples..." something else about... Here, this should cover it: "The officers did what was right given the information at the time...." Well, maybe that's not the best.... HERE! THIS ONE! "When will people learn to identify themselves properly when interacting with law enforcement officials?" Hmm... Well, I'm sorry. I tried. I'm not too good at the cop defense thing. Some other Farkers make it look so easy!

Impudent Domain: Here is another thread where fark malcontents can vent their childish hatred of authority because of an isolated incident in a nation of three hundred million where hundreds of thousands of police do their job, and do it well everyday.

Here is another thread where police apologists can vent their childish hatred of the citizenry because they dared to question their god-like, incorruptible, never-wrong authority.

Isolated incident my ass.

Ah well, it only took the bootlickers half an hour to get here.

INTERTRON: Occam's Nailfile: FTFA: Officer Wayne Dorman wrote in a police report that he approached the area of Crossan's house where the fight was happening and couldn't see clearly because "it was dark and full of dust."

THEN WHY THE FARK DID YOU UNLEASH A POTENTIALLY DEADLY WEAPON?

I farking hate cops, so damned much.

This x 1000.

EVERY concealed carry permit holder knows to check your targets first, and do not fire until you confirm who you are shooting at.

Police apparently receive no such training.

I didn't realize that police shot dogs from some kind of dog-launcher. Can you show me where I can get one of those?

The whole situation sounds like a mess on all levels. But had the officers on scene apologized that would have just been one more thing for a lawyer to use in court. "The officers even admitted to the victim they were wrong!" It's sad that such a thing would even be an issue, but we all know that it is.

Not saying that the guy isn't owed anything. At the very least he needs to have his medical bills covered. Getting your ass bitten by a K-9 isn't much fun but he doesn't need to go suing for some insane amount of money.

The cop acted like a sissy boy and put his dog in unecessary danger.

So what? I once had this rich neighbor of mine sic his dogs on me. Dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you. Now that was scary.

Dorman then heard Crossan scream that the dog - a Belgian malinois, a breed similar to German shepherds - had clamped onto the wrong person. When the officer saw that Crossan was white, he commanded Max to release him.

this line taken out of context delivers teh lulz.

"oh no, fritz is attacking an upstanding anglo saxon white male!!! down boy, DOWN!!"

Or, here's a thought: the homeowner wasn't remotely in the wrong, and the cops were, as they often are, dealing with a confusing and chaotic situation in which they have seconds to make decisions. I know it blows the cop-hater's minds that cops can't be infallible when facing dangerous, unpredictable situations full of uncertainty so many times that it's nearly a daily routine for them, and that someone pointing that out may be thinking rationally rather than being a "cop lover."

But then I can understand their confusion, as Fark is about the last place you'd expect to run into anything remotely resembling rational thought.

JamesLi: The whole situation sounds like a mess on all levels. But had the officers on scene apologized that would have just been one more thing for a lawyer to use in court. "The officers even admitted to the victim they were wrong!" It's sad that such a thing would even be an issue, but we all know that it is.

Yeah, that's why I don't say "I'm so sorry" at funerals anymore.

MPOM: the cops were, as they often are, dealing with a confusing and chaotic situation in which they have seconds to make decisions.

I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with someone making the wrong decisions to continue having a job where they can continue making the wrong decisions.

The guy should face the same liability as if he were a normal citizen - none of this "paid administrative leave" bullshiat.

MPOM: Or, here's a thought: the homeowner wasn't remotely in the wrong, and the cops were, as they often are, dealing with a confusing and chaotic situation in which they have seconds to make decisions. I know it blows the cop-hater's minds that cops can't be infallible when facing dangerous, unpredictable situations full of uncertainty so many times that it's nearly a daily routine for them, and that someone pointing that out may be thinking rationally rather than being a "cop lover."

But then I can understand their confusion, as Fark is about the last place you'd expect to run into anything remotely resembling rational thought.

What, you mean cops are human too and can make mistakes just like anyone else? Say it isn't so!

Clearly they sent this dog on the home owner on purpose and then stood around laughing as he was bitten. Or, you know, when they realized what happened the officer ordered the K-9 off.

Don't German Shepherd me bro, just doesn't have the same ring to it.

TsukasaK: MPOM: the cops were, as they often are, dealing with a confusing and chaotic situation in which they have seconds to make decisions.

I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with someone making the wrong decisions to continue having a job where they can continue making the wrong decisions.

The guy should face the same liability as if he were a normal citizen - none of this "paid administrative leave" bullshiat.

Wait, what liability would a "normal citizen" face?

"Crossan, who lives on Quaker Street with his mother and two young daughters, figures the stranger he fought is some kind of degenerate."

Prank Call of Cthulhu:

Do we need to break out the tin dog whenever a headline with the word "K9" in it is greenlit?

strathmeyer: JamesLi: The whole situation sounds like a mess on all levels. But had the officers on scene apologized that would have just been one more thing for a lawyer to use in court. "The officers even admitted to the victim they were wrong!" It's sad that such a thing would even be an issue, but we all know that it is.

Yeah, that's why I don't say "I'm so sorry" at funerals anymore.

You should probably stop killing people and going to their funerals.

Impudent Domain: Here is another thread where fark malcontents can vent their childish hatred of authority because of an isolated incident in a nation of three hundred million where hundreds of thousands of police do their job, and do it well everyday.


Yep.

Yet another thread.

Again.

From just what reached Fark, that's one helluva lot of 'isolated incidents', ya think? Maybe, just maybe, there's a recognizable and troubling pattern of behavior that can be discerned...

/Cops & MPs in the immediate family.
//They agree with me.

"Crossan, who lives on Quaker Street with his mother and two young daughters, figures the stranger he fought is some kind of degenerate."

JamesLi: Wait, what liability would a "normal citizen" face?

If my attack dog managed to attack someone who didn't deserve it (for example, my neighbor tackles someone breaking into my house, I send my trained attack dog out, the dog attacks the neighbor by mistake), you bet your ass I'd be personally on the hook for the guy's medical bills, and there's more likely than not some criminal charge that could be leveled against me too.

The fact that the people making the mistakes are cops should not shield them from liability, especially when they are given the amount of power that they are.

AbbeySomeone: Where are cruiser12 and the other cops to defend this and point out what the victim did wrong?

Present and accounted for.

You'll all second guess and armchair quarterback this incident that happened at lightening speed for the cop involved.

I've come to realize that many Farkers aren't going to care what I say anyhow, so I think I'll just watch this one unfold. I pretty much know what everybody's going to say anyhow. Most will be well thought out explanations of where the cop went wrong and how he should have handled the situation differently. These assessments will be based on Farkers' many years of experience and knowledge about police training and procedures and will be very enlightening and informative. Like this:

Occam's Nailfile: I farking hate cops, so damned much.

Carry on without me this time. Extra points for the first one to claim I can't defend this guy so I'm whimping out on this one.

""Crossan, who lives on Quaker Street with his mother and two young daughters, figures the stranger he fought is some kind of degenerate."


/Mods Please delete my last 2 posts
//So Sorry

This is one of those instances where suing is warranted. At least suing for medical costs + time lost. But the police officer in question should have to pay, not the department.

JamesLi: I didn't realize that police shot dogs from some kind of dog-launcher. Can you show me where I can get one of those?
Let me explain to you how trained canine units work:
The handler designates a target to the dog, and the dog attacks it. The dog does not simply attack the nearest person when it is released. Therefore, the situation is the same - the police used their weapon on somebody without even knowing who that somebody was or what they were doing.

had the officers on scene apologized that would have just been one more thing for a lawyer to use in court. "The officers even admitted to the victim they were wrong!" It's sad that such a thing would even be an issue, but we all know that it is.
If I were the guy, I would offer a $5,000 drop in the asking price for the lawsuit if the police offered an admittance of guilt and a public apology.

Not saying that the guy isn't owed anything. At the very least he needs to have his medical bills covered. Getting your ass bitten by a K-9 isn't much fun but he doesn't need to go suing for some insane amount of money.
He should absolutely sue for an insane amount of money. He was physically assaulted and offered nary an apology. That's when you break out with the punitive damages.

This cop, being a moron, never learned the first thing about courtesy, so now he needs a financial spanking to teach him a valuable lesson about apologizing and taking responsibility for his actions.

MPOM: Or, here's a thought: the homeowner wasn't remotely in the wrong, and the cops were, as they often are, dealing with a confusing and chaotic situation in which they have seconds to make decisions. I know it blows the cop-hater's minds that cops can't be infallible when facing dangerous, unpredictable situations full of uncertainty so many times that it's nearly a daily routine for them, and that someone pointing that out may be thinking rationally rather than being a "cop lover."

But then I can understand their confusion, as Fark is about the last place you'd expect to run into anything remotely resembling rational thought.

Lots of people have jobs that involve "dangerous, unpredictable situations full of uncertainty". If they screw up, they have to face the consequences. Cops never apologize, back each other up, and (almost) never face the consequences.

But then I can understand your confusion, as Fark is about the last place you'd expect to run into anything remotely resembling rational thought.

The police should have used a taser instead of a dog. That way they wouldn't have made a hospital visit necessary.

Why wouldn't he comply? Resisting arrest maybe?

Enemabag Jones: That way they wouldn't have made a hospital visit necessary.

Yeah.. about that.. (new window)

Did anybody else have Yakety Sax going through their head while reading the article?

JamesLi: Wait, what liability would a "normal citizen" face?

Unpaid leave or termination.

TsukasaK,
Yeah.. about that.. (new window)

Why do you hate freedom?

Oh, a police thread. This should provide some fresh insight into a complex issue. Here's a cheat sheet for the noobs-

OK TO HATE BASED ON ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE-
cops
politicians
rednecks
furries
France
Lindsey Lohan

NOT OK TO HATE BASED ON ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE-
blacks
gays
jews
beer drinkers
Wil Wheaton

I hope that clears things up.

I'd sue everyone involved until they squealed like a pig.

TsukasaK: The fact that the people making the mistakes are cops should not shield them from liability, especially when they are given the amount of power that they are.

It amazes me how large that 'shield' is too. If the guy had fought off the dog it would not be unheard of for him to get charged with assaulting a police officer. Meaning if you hurt the police dog it's like you hurt any other cop. The situation should be handled as if any other cop put an innocent person into the hospital after attacking them without positive identification.

TsukasaK: JamesLi: Wait, what liability would a "normal citizen" face?

If my attack dog managed to attack someone who didn't deserve it (for example, my neighbor tackles someone breaking into my house, I send my trained attack dog out, the dog attacks the neighbor by mistake), you bet your ass I'd be personally on the hook for the guy's medical bills, and there's more likely than not some criminal charge that could be leveled against me too.

The fact that the people making the mistakes are cops should not shield them from liability, especially when they are given the amount of power that they are.

I'd say civil liability in this case is, at least in part, owned by the police officer(s) though I'd not suggest criminal liability. Like it or not there will be mistakes made in any/all jobs that involve humans. If this is a repeat of prior actions by this officer or he repeats this in the future then he needs additional penalties or perhaps even criminal charges as the case warrants.

This does not (hopefully) imply that I condone police violence or illegal activities by those in authority. I hold those people to a higher standard but accidents during their on duty time should not be penalized criminally (in my opinion) unless there is evidence of intentional malice or such. Those officers who commit crimes while on duty need to be penalized to the GREATEST extent that the law allows. I also feel the same about elected politicians but that's a topic for another, and rather uglier, tab here on Fark.

I don't really like cops but I'm glad that they are there for those who need them. I've never had much use for them but the few encounters I've had (I deserved each one of them by violating the laws of the country/state I was residing in and doing so knowingly) they've always been professional and up front with me but, for that matter, I've always treated them with a modicum of respect in my actions and speech.

UnspokenVoice: I hold those people to a higher standard but accidents during their on duty time should not be penalized criminally (in my opinion) unless there is evidence of intentional malice or such.

Why? It's quite possible to commit a crime unintentionally. Manslaughter, etc.

itsdan: TsukasaK: The fact that the people making the mistakes are cops should not shield them from liability, especially when they are given the amount of power that they are.

It amazes me how large that 'shield' is too. If the guy had fought off the dog it would not be unheard of for him to get charged with assaulting a police officer. Meaning if you hurt the police dog it's like you hurt any other cop. The situation should be handled as if any other cop put an innocent person into the hospital after attacking them without positive identification.

Darn right, put the dog on administrative leave. Or desk work for a month!!

Lots of times, I try to look for the gray areas vs just black & white. I don't consider myself a police apologist but I try to give them benefit of the doubt. I can't do it tonight.
Cop dun farked up on this one boys & girls.

I've watched K9 training videos of the Belgian malinois... Dogs are like furry cruise missiles with teeth. In one of the vids, there was a clip where the dog pulled someone out of a vehicle through the damn window.