Well, it's a good thing they've got all that cheap barely skilled labor in South Carolina.

That should speed things right up.

GIS for "scope creep"



/am so working this in to my next requirements review

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six 787s = $1,000,000,000?

The economics of building and running these things must be like cruise ships.

Remember it's the airplane of the future.

SwiftFox: six 787s = $1,000,000,000?

The one this airline is getting costs about $160 million each. So for six it works out to about a billion.

Oh and for comparison, somewhat silly comparison I admit, an A380 goes for about $317 to $338 million per plane.

I just had this happen to me last month. It wasn't a billion dollars, but it was some fraction of that.

Boeing makes customers pay a large percentage of the price when the order is placed. That should make for an interesting refund request.

I work for a company that makes parts for boeing.

/not getting a kick

Boeing is pretty much getting their karma for farming out all the parts manufacturing to companies around the globe where they don't have central control on the manufacturing and integration. Serves them right, and I feel somewhat sad for the employees who had no say over this management decision.

Yeah, for big jobs like this, I'd expect Boeing to take a significant deposit upfront, and do some kind of billing-by-percentage-completed. Going to be a big problem when they have to give that deposit back.

Seems like Boeing had a shiatty model for getting its stuff together and built. Maybe the next company will do better.

Maybe so, but this is the way everybody does it now, it is expected that you farm out the pieces among many nations where you want the airlines or governments as a customer. Agreed that's no excuse for poor central oversight though.

mrmopar5287: Boeing is pretty much getting their karma for farming out all the parts manufacturing to companies around the globe where they don't have central control on the manufacturing and integration. Serves them right, and I feel somewhat sad for the employees who had no say over this management decision.

Singing to the choir, my fellow Farker.
/works for a major worldwide manufacturing company that cannot seem to get enough of outsourcing, then wonders why the quality suffers

mrmopar5287: Boeing is pretty much getting their karma for farming out all the parts manufacturing

It's not just that, but for completely screwing the pooch all around. I mean they couldn't work on the planes for a while because of a lack of fasteners. If you can't even order up enough fasteners ahead of time, you're going to have problems.

Any Pie Left: it is expected that you farm out the pieces among many nations where you want the airlines or governments as a customer.

The airlines could give a shiat where the parts come from. They however get really pissy about the plane being late by years.

Interesting. I wonder if the dreamliner is going to go the way of the American SST.

Yea, that's the idea. Entice Boeing to cut corners to make the deadline. That should go over well.

I'm perfectly happy to have Boeing take the time to make the plane safe. Use of composites on this scale is new enough that they're having to learn as they go. Of course, they're learning their lesson about outsourcing as well.

That said, I assume they'll fill the order.

On top of that, I think their philosophy of making a usable vehicle rather than a behemoth requiring modifications to airports is sound, as well as not being reliant upon a hub/spoke travel system.

SwiftFox: six 787s = $1,000,000,000?

The economics of building and running these things must be like cruise ships.

Cruise ships rarely have their composite tail section fall off at 35,000 feet above sea level, although that would be an interesting disaster.

This is prime example of what happens when non-tech people are in charge of a tech based industry. The CEOs will get a raise and a bonus either way.

Harry_Seldon: Cruise ships rarely have their composite tail section fall off at 35,000 feet above sea level, although that would be an interesting disaster.

But what if the front fell off?

thirdful: This is prime example of what happens when non-tech people are in charge of a tech based industry. The CEOs will get a raise and a bonus either way.

Only because they deserve it, because they, you know... officered... stuff.

I still want the Sonic Cruiser, dammit. Looked like it was designed by Gerry Anderson.

These planes cost over $9000 each.

Geezus.

SuperCatBarf: I'm perfectly happy to have Boeing take the time to make the plane safe

That's not what's delaying things.

thirdful: This is prime example of what happens when non-tech people are in charge of a tech based industry. The CEOs will get a raise and a bonus either way.