A Pinko Commie Fag Lefty Liberal Socialist Veteran I have this to say: Ahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha whooo AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA giggle snort AHAHAHAHA hahahahaha whoo ahh ahh whoo snicker giggle.
The one thing I love more than ANYTHING else in a political argument is to defend a liberal cause with a conservative and then pull the Veteran card. Funny how when I suggest instead of "thanking me for my service" they, you know, actually SERVE they sort of disappear. Just like Tancredo.
Brave Sir Tom ran away. Bravely ran away, away! When danger reared its ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled. Yes, brave Sir Tom turned about And gallantly he chickened out. Bravely taking to his feet He beat a very brave retreat, Bravest of the brave, Sir Tom!
I am amused how insulted Tancredo decided to be. Probably because he couldn't actually dispute anything Kos said in the so-called "insult". Tancredo did speak out in favor of the Vietnam war. And he did get a deferment and not serve.
RevMercutio:I am amused how insulted Tancredo decided to be. Probably because he couldn't actually dispute anything Kos said in the so-called "insult". Tancredo did speak out in favor of the Vietnam war. And he did get a deferment and not serve.
And it was due to "depression". He didn't insult him, he pointed out a fact.
yem_tex:RevMercutio: I am amused how insulted Tancredo decided to be. Probably because he couldn't actually dispute anything Kos said in the so-called "insult". Tancredo did speak out in favor of the Vietnam war. And he did get a deferment and not serve.
And it was due to "depression". He didn't insult him, he pointed out a fact.
Apparently Tancredo finds facts painful. This isn't surprising to anybody who remembers the last time he popped his head out.
Say what you will about Kos, the man does speak a lot of sense. No wonder Chickenhawks are afraid of him and pull the faux outrage card that the Republicans patented.
Tancredo was offended by this remark -- nothing about a confrontation over veterans' healthcare.
I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.
That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.
thenateman:Tancredo was offended by this remark -- nothing about a confrontation over veterans' healthcare.
I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.
That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.
"Born in 1945, "Tommy" Tancredo grew up in an Italian neighborhood in north Denver. His parents, he says, were apolitical.
As a Republican student activist, Tancredo spoke out in favor of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado in June 1969, he became eligible to serve in Vietnam. Tancredo said he went for his physical, telling doctors he'd been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment"
thenateman:That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.
It's perfectly in line. He was presuming to speak for veterans, in opposition to the words of an ACTUAL veteran. It was perfectly reasonable to bring this fact up.
I think he walked off because he was boiling with anger at being called out on his bullshiat and couldn't hold it together without screaming.
thenateman:Tancredo was offended by this remark -- nothing about a confrontation over veterans' healthcare.
I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.
That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.
Tancredo was claiming to speak for veterans. Kos pointed out that he was a veteran and the "ballsy accusation" is completely factual.
Tancredo, let us remember is the same man who was convinced a Supreme Court Justice was a member of the Mexican KKK. So his right to demand an apology isn't very strong.
So Markos Moulitsas told the truth about Tom Tancredo which made Tancredo so butthurt that he had to get up and walk around for a while. Before the conservative sycophants get all indignant, when have Republicans ever shown that they believe old events in their opponents' lives are off-limits?
yem_tex:thenateman: Tancredo was offended by this remark -- nothing about a confrontation over veterans' healthcare.
I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.
That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.
It is not an accusation, it is a fact.
Link
"Born in 1945, "Tommy" Tancredo grew up in an Italian neighborhood in north Denver. His parents, he says, were apolitical.
As a Republican student activist, Tancredo spoke out in favor of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado in June 1969, he became eligible to serve in Vietnam. Tancredo said he went for his physical, telling doctors he'd been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment"
/QFT
Is the video implying that depression isn't a serious disease, or that Tancredo used shenanigans to get a deferment when he didn't deserve one. Judging from the video, I thought it was the second. But let's assume the speaker wasn't calling shenanigans, when is it OK to call someone out for having a medical condition? Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?
thenateman:But let's assume the speaker wasn't calling shenanigans, when is it OK to call someone out for having a medical condition? Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?
Do you think that Tancredo has credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when he is not a veteran?
Obdicut:thenateman: But let's assume the speaker wasn't calling shenanigans, when is it OK to call someone out for having a medical condition? Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?
Do you think that Tancredo has credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when he is not a veteran?
I don't think it's right to call people out for having an illness. It's demeaning to characterize someone diagnosed with depression as they "felt too depressed." Moulitsas easily could have said "you don't have credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when you aren't a veteran." Instead, he chose to be snarky and to not offer an apology even though it was in order.
Ennuipoet
2009-11-07 04:12:41 PM
The one thing I love more than ANYTHING else in a political argument is to defend a liberal cause with a conservative and then pull the Veteran card. Funny how when I suggest instead of "thanking me for my service" they, you know, actually SERVE they sort of disappear. Just like Tancredo.
GAT_00
2009-11-07 04:16:29 PM
Hobodeluxe
2009-11-07 04:25:57 PM
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Tom turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Tom!
RevMercutio
2009-11-07 05:13:46 PM
Lionel Mandrake
2009-11-07 05:27:16 PM
yem_tex
2009-11-07 06:21:50 PM
And it was due to "depression". He didn't insult him, he pointed out a fact.
heap
2009-11-07 06:22:16 PM
Zagloba
2009-11-07 06:22:50 PM
RevMercutio
2009-11-07 06:24:33 PM
And it was due to "depression". He didn't insult him, he pointed out a fact.
Apparently Tancredo finds facts painful. This isn't surprising to anybody who remembers the last time he popped his head out.
KingPsyz
2009-11-07 06:24:49 PM
Are you trying to make the rest of us celibate?
Guntram Shatterhand
2009-11-07 06:25:38 PM
Blowmonkey
2009-11-07 06:27:57 PM
thenateman
2009-11-07 06:28:14 PM
I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.
That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.
yem_tex
2009-11-07 06:31:55 PM
I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.
That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.
It is not an accusation, it is a fact.
Link
"Born in 1945, "Tommy" Tancredo grew up in an Italian neighborhood in north Denver. His parents, he says, were apolitical.
As a Republican student activist, Tancredo spoke out in favor of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado in June 1969, he became eligible to serve in Vietnam. Tancredo said he went for his physical, telling doctors he'd been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment"
/QFT
Mnemia
2009-11-07 06:32:40 PM
It's perfectly in line. He was presuming to speak for veterans, in opposition to the words of an ACTUAL veteran. It was perfectly reasonable to bring this fact up.
I think he walked off because he was boiling with anger at being called out on his bullshiat and couldn't hold it together without screaming.
GitOffaMyLawn
2009-11-07 06:32:40 PM
All Republicans seem to be good at these days is scream, pout, cry, pick up their balls (or in this case lack of balls) and go home.
/ another stellar presentation by another stellar Republican
RevMercutio
2009-11-07 06:33:44 PM
I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.
That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.
Tancredo was claiming to speak for veterans. Kos pointed out that he was a veteran and the "ballsy accusation" is completely factual.
Tancredo, let us remember is the same man who was convinced a Supreme Court Justice was a member of the Mexican KKK. So his right to demand an apology isn't very strong.
Tor_Eckman
2009-11-07 06:35:55 PM
Olbig
rnld
2009-11-07 06:36:07 PM
Take them out of that element and they fall apart.
Befuddled
2009-11-07 06:38:38 PM
thenateman
2009-11-07 06:38:58 PM
I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.
That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.
It is not an accusation, it is a fact.
Link
"Born in 1945, "Tommy" Tancredo grew up in an Italian neighborhood in north Denver. His parents, he says, were apolitical.
As a Republican student activist, Tancredo spoke out in favor of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado in June 1969, he became eligible to serve in Vietnam. Tancredo said he went for his physical, telling doctors he'd been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment"
/QFT
Is the video implying that depression isn't a serious disease, or that Tancredo used shenanigans to get a deferment when he didn't deserve one. Judging from the video, I thought it was the second. But let's assume the speaker wasn't calling shenanigans, when is it OK to call someone out for having a medical condition? Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?
Obdicut
2009-11-07 06:41:07 PM
Do you think that Tancredo has credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when he is not a veteran?
heap
2009-11-07 06:42:24 PM
when you're supporting a war, and not only not volunteering, but getting a deferment from the draft...you're going to get called bad things.
no analogy needed. no insight from 'well, what if it was anal warts? what then, HUH?' to be gained.
Falcc
2009-11-07 06:47:05 PM
thenateman
2009-11-07 06:47:56 PM
Do you think that Tancredo has credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when he is not a veteran?
I don't think it's right to call people out for having an illness. It's demeaning to characterize someone diagnosed with depression as they "felt too depressed." Moulitsas easily could have said "you don't have credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when you aren't a veteran." Instead, he chose to be snarky and to not offer an apology even though it was in order.