A Pinko Commie Fag Lefty Liberal Socialist Veteran I have this to say: Ahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha whooo AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA giggle snort AHAHAHAHA hahahahaha whoo ahh ahh whoo snicker giggle.

The one thing I love more than ANYTHING else in a political argument is to defend a liberal cause with a conservative and then pull the Veteran card. Funny how when I suggest instead of "thanking me for my service" they, you know, actually SERVE they sort of disappear. Just like Tancredo.

What a brave Chickenhawk.

Brave Sir Tom ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Tom turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Tom!

I am amused how insulted Tancredo decided to be. Probably because he couldn't actually dispute anything Kos said in the so-called "insult". Tancredo did speak out in favor of the Vietnam war. And he did get a deferment and not serve.

Tancredo:

RevMercutio: I am amused how insulted Tancredo decided to be. Probably because he couldn't actually dispute anything Kos said in the so-called "insult". Tancredo did speak out in favor of the Vietnam war. And he did get a deferment and not serve.

And it was due to "depression". He didn't insult him, he pointed out a fact.

i would like to go on record as supporting the notion of renaming the aforementioned representative 'HugeVag McBigPussy', too.

Those pesky liberal facts.

yem_tex: RevMercutio: I am amused how insulted Tancredo decided to be. Probably because he couldn't actually dispute anything Kos said in the so-called "insult". Tancredo did speak out in favor of the Vietnam war. And he did get a deferment and not serve.

And it was due to "depression". He didn't insult him, he pointed out a fact.

Apparently Tancredo finds facts painful. This isn't surprising to anybody who remembers the last time he popped his head out.

heap: i would like to go on record as supporting the notion of renaming the aforementioned representative 'HugeVag McBigPussy', too.

Are you trying to make the rest of us celibate?

Say what you will about Kos, the man does speak a lot of sense. No wonder Chickenhawks are afraid of him and pull the faux outrage card that the Republicans patented.

Sandy Vagina says what?

Tancredo was offended by this remark -- nothing about a confrontation over veterans' healthcare.

I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.

That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.

thenateman: Tancredo was offended by this remark -- nothing about a confrontation over veterans' healthcare.

I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.

That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.

It is not an accusation, it is a fact.

Link

"Born in 1945, "Tommy" Tancredo grew up in an Italian neighborhood in north Denver. His parents, he says, were apolitical.

As a Republican student activist, Tancredo spoke out in favor of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado in June 1969, he became eligible to serve in Vietnam. Tancredo said he went for his physical, telling doctors he'd been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment"

/QFT

thenateman: That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.

It's perfectly in line. He was presuming to speak for veterans, in opposition to the words of an ACTUAL veteran. It was perfectly reasonable to bring this fact up.

I think he walked off because he was boiling with anger at being called out on his bullshiat and couldn't hold it together without screaming.

As I said in another thread . . . .

All Republicans seem to be good at these days is scream, pout, cry, pick up their balls (or in this case lack of balls) and go home.

/ another stellar presentation by another stellar Republican

thenateman: Tancredo was offended by this remark -- nothing about a confrontation over veterans' healthcare.

I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.

That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.

Tancredo was claiming to speak for veterans. Kos pointed out that he was a veteran and the "ballsy accusation" is completely factual.

Tancredo, let us remember is the same man who was convinced a Supreme Court Justice was a member of the Mexican KKK. So his right to demand an apology isn't very strong.

Olbig

The GOP have gotten too used to being on Fox News and the Wingnut radio shows where their message is carried unfiltered and not vetted.

Take them out of that element and they fall apart.

So Markos Moulitsas told the truth about Tom Tancredo which made Tancredo so butthurt that he had to get up and walk around for a while. Before the conservative sycophants get all indignant, when have Republicans ever shown that they believe old events in their opponents' lives are off-limits?

yem_tex: thenateman: Tancredo was offended by this remark -- nothing about a confrontation over veterans' healthcare.

I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported.

That's a pretty ballsy accusation and out of line in a civil debate, and Tancredo wanted an apology. When an apology wasn't forthcoming, he removed his mic and left. BFD.

It is not an accusation, it is a fact.

Link

"Born in 1945, "Tommy" Tancredo grew up in an Italian neighborhood in north Denver. His parents, he says, were apolitical.

As a Republican student activist, Tancredo spoke out in favor of the Vietnam War. After graduating from the University of Northern Colorado in June 1969, he became eligible to serve in Vietnam. Tancredo said he went for his physical, telling doctors he'd been treated for depression, and eventually got a "1-Y" deferment"

/QFT

Is the video implying that depression isn't a serious disease, or that Tancredo used shenanigans to get a deferment when he didn't deserve one. Judging from the video, I thought it was the second. But let's assume the speaker wasn't calling shenanigans, when is it OK to call someone out for having a medical condition? Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?

thenateman: But let's assume the speaker wasn't calling shenanigans, when is it OK to call someone out for having a medical condition? Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?

Do you think that Tancredo has credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when he is not a veteran?

thenateman: Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?

when you're supporting a war, and not only not volunteering, but getting a deferment from the draft...you're going to get called bad things.

no analogy needed. no insight from 'well, what if it was anal warts? what then, HUH?' to be gained.

Laughing... so... hard...

Obdicut: thenateman: But let's assume the speaker wasn't calling shenanigans, when is it OK to call someone out for having a medical condition? Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?

Do you think that Tancredo has credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when he is not a veteran?

I don't think it's right to call people out for having an illness. It's demeaning to characterize someone diagnosed with depression as they "felt too depressed." Moulitsas easily could have said "you don't have credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when you aren't a veteran." Instead, he chose to be snarky and to not offer an apology even though it was in order.

thenateman: Is the video implying that depression isn't a serious disease, or that Tancredo used shenanigans to get a deferment when he didn't deserve one. Judging from the video, I thought it was the second. But let's assume the speaker wasn't calling shenanigans, when is it OK to call someone out for having a medical condition? Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?

If you believe that Tancredo simply got out of Vietnam because he told the draft official, "I was treated for depression" then you are one of the most gullible humans I've ever met.

thenateman: Instead, he chose to be snarky and to not offer an apology even though it was in order.

Tancredo chose to get pissy and run away like a baby and not stand up to the truth, even when it hurts, like a man.

heap: when you're supporting a war, and not only not volunteering, but getting a deferment from the draft...you're going to get called bad things.

no analogy needed. no insight from 'well, what if it was anal warts? what then, HUH?' to be gained.

When the army doctors said he couldn't go to Vietnam, what choices did he have at that point?

thenateman: Obdicut: thenateman: But let's assume the speaker wasn't calling shenanigans, when is it OK to call someone out for having a medical condition? Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?

Do you think that Tancredo has credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when he is not a veteran?

I don't think it's right to call people out for having an illness. It's demeaning to characterize someone diagnosed with depression as they "felt too depressed." Moulitsas easily could have said "you don't have credibility speaking for veterans, to a veteran, when you aren't a veteran." Instead, he chose to be snarky and to not offer an apology even though it was in order.

It's demeaning to characters someone with depression as having depression? I can totally see depression being a reason to get a deferment. However, it would also be easy to fake.

I'm willing to bet Tancredo thought Markos was lying when he said he was a veteran.

Lando Lincoln: thenateman: Is the video implying that depression isn't a serious disease, or that Tancredo used shenanigans to get a deferment when he didn't deserve one. Judging from the video, I thought it was the second. But let's assume the speaker wasn't calling shenanigans, when is it OK to call someone out for having a medical condition? Would it be OK to say "I did not get a deferment because I had cancer to fight a war in Vietnam that I supported"?

If you believe that Tancredo simply got out of Vietnam because he told the draft official, "I was treated for depression" then you are one of the most gullible humans I've ever met.

He did seem pretty depressed at the end of the video. Someone needs to shop up Tancredo in "emo Romney" style. Go cry Emo Tom.

Every time I watch that show, it's an absolute train wreck. The Ed Schulz show embodies everything liberals complain about Fox News over.

Lando Lincoln: If you believe that Tancredo simply got out of Vietnam because he told the draft official, "I was treated for depression" then you are one of the most gullible humans I've ever met.

You're saying there were shenanigans, and that the Army doctors falsified his records in order to keep him out of war. Do you have a link to that, or should I just assume that's the case because 40 years later Tancredo turns out to be a world-class douchebag?

thenateman: When the army doctors said he couldn't go to Vietnam, what choices did he have at that point?

he had the choice to volunteer several years earlier instead of taking the student deferment, too.

i get that your ass is more topically in the air re: depression being made light of, but...all the same, tancredo getting a little of his own medicine and being unable to take it...well, it kinda wins, your topical ass-in-airness not withstanding.

That is the most amazing thing I have seen all week.

Tom Tancredo is a hateful farker. He can DIAF.

I am looking forward to printboy's agony.

thenateman: heap: when you're supporting a war, and not only not volunteering, but getting a deferment from the draft...you're going to get called bad things.

no analogy needed. no insight from 'well, what if it was anal warts? what then, HUH?' to be gained.

When the army doctors said he couldn't go to Vietnam, what choices did he have at that point?

The choice to shut the Hell up about what veterans want when speaking to an actual veteran, for starters.

Or are all those bumper stickers that say "VIETNAM: If you weren't there, shut the Hell up!" yet another fine example of IOKIYAR?

thenateman: Is the video implying that depression isn't a serious disease, or that Tancredo used shenanigans to get a deferment when he didn't deserve one.

I'd imagine that a lot of the guys getting those selective service letters back then were pretty farking depressed about it too. but it didn't save their asses.

My boyfriend had a full body CT for free at the VA yesterday, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/he has a stress fracture in his leg.
//and possibly early onset arthritis from the injury that got him discharged.

:(

helix400: Every time I watch that show, it's an absolute train wreck. The Ed Schulz show embodies everything liberals complain about Fox News over.

I was gonna ask since I've not seen his show, isn't he supposed to be the lefty version of Beck?

Hobodeluxe: thenateman: Is the video implying that depression isn't a serious disease, or that Tancredo used shenanigans to get a deferment when he didn't deserve one.

I'd imagine that a lot of the guys getting those selective service letters back then were pretty farking depressed about it too. but it didn't save their asses.

Maybe those people "felt too depressed to go to Vietnam" but the doctors made them go anyway. Something about the Tancredo case kept him out of the war. Perhaps he had one of nine types of depression (new window) defined by the DSM-IV.

what_now: My boyfriend had a full body CT for free at the VA yesterday, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/he has a stress fracture in his leg.
//and possibly early onset arthritis from the injury that got him discharged.

:(

Sounds like a pre-existing condition to me - no health insurance for him!

Autoplay? Fark yourself, KOSubby.

helix400: Every time I watch that show, it's an absolute train wreck. The Ed Schulz show embodies everything liberals complain about Fox News over.

This. I watched the first show and stopped for exactly this reason. I love this clip but the closest I'm willing to get to infotainment is Keith Olbermann. Clips of FOX pundits and what I've seen of The Ed Show are very similar in tone and design.

We need more Rachael Maddows and Jon Stewarts on television. Say what you want about them, there are a lot of facts and citations on those shows.

JudgeItoBox: Autoplay? Fark yourself, KOSubby.

Alternately: Nice vid. Butthurt Tancredo is the best kind of Tancredo.

DarwiOdrade: Sounds like a pre-existing condition to me - no health insurance for him!

He doesn't need it. He has filthy single payer socialist fascist health care for the rest of his life.

Falcc: helix400: Every time I watch that show, it's an absolute train wreck. The Ed Schulz show embodies everything liberals complain about Fox News over.

This. I watched the first show and stopped for exactly this reason. I love this clip but the closest I'm willing to get to infotainment is Keith Olbermann. Clips of FOX pundits and what I've seen of The Ed Show are very similar in tone and design.

We need more Rachael Maddows and Jon Stewarts on television. Say what you want about them, there are a lot of facts and citations on those shows.

This.

What a coward. No balls to fight a war he championed. No balls to face up to that fact on TV. He's a girly-man.

RevMercutio: I was gonna ask since I've not seen his show, isn't he supposed to be the lefty version of Beck?

No, the show is simply childish, brain dead, whiny partisanship. It's like Democratic Underground on TV.

The closest Fox News match is to Hannity (though sadly, Hannity somehow manages to show more maturity than Ed Schultz, a feat I never thought possible). Beck's more of a tabloid conspiracy-theorist entertainer.