We're All Reaganites Now [Jonah Goldberg]

And Nazis are liberal.

Whatever, dude...

So we're Reaganites? Is that the excuse Goldberg and NRO will use to lie about fiscal conservatism? Because if Reagan's your example, than you're a goddamn idiot.

well, the last time unemployment was this high was TWO YEARS into reagan's first term, so perhaps the comparison is apt.

Jonah Goldberg

This is where I knew I could stop. The rest of the article is already known.

Try varying your shtick some time. Or adding facts. Or acknowledging reality. Something besides idiocy.

GAT_00: Jonah Goldberg

This is where I knew I could stop. The rest of the article is already known.

Try varying your shtick some time. Or adding facts. Or acknowledging reality. Something besides idiocy.

As someone who lurks the politics tab from time to time... I'm getting a kick out of this reply.

Are you better off now than you were 4 trillion dollars ago?

real shaman: Are you better off now than you were 4 trillion dollars ago?


We aren't talking about the Iraq War, little neo-con shill.

FlashHarry: well, the last time unemployment was this high was TWO YEARS into reagan's first term, so perhaps the comparison is apt.

How long did that unemployment last vs how long is it going to last now.

Out economy today has not even began to restructure because the gov is propping up all the failed institutions.

Crosshair: FlashHarry: well, the last time unemployment was this high was TWO YEARS into reagan's first term, so perhaps the comparison is apt.

How long did that unemployment last vs how long is it going to last now.

Out economy today has not even began to restructure because the gov is propping up all the failed institutions.

And the institutions failed under which President?

And I'm supposed to believe that if McCain had won and the GOP had taken over the house and senate, that poor people would be better off in Nov of 09?

Good. farking. Luck. Convincing. People. Of. That.

No, those at the bottom are actually doing quite well. The problem is that Democratic theory holds that the money "trickles up" in order to reach the middle class.

/No party actually starts by giving the money to the middle class
//That would just be insanity

Funny how these people didn't biatch and moan when Dubya declared the economy to be strong while they remained unemployed.

It seemed like just a short while ago that the GOP were using the stock market as a gauge to Obama's popularity.

Of course until it gained over 20% since he took office....

rnld: And the institutions failed under which President?

Why is that relevant? So many people trying to point fingers, it's no wonder nothing gets fixed.

MrGumboPants: And I'm supposed to believe that if McCain had won and the GOP had taken over the house and senate, that poor people would be better off in Nov of 09?

If by, "better off", you meant, "drafted into the military and shipped off to fight another war in Iran", then yeah.

Seriously... I can't even begin to imagine what kind lunacy would be going on by now. Palin would have probably tried to kill McCain about four or five times or just decided that she was going to form her own rogue government. You betcha!

thenateman: rnld: And the institutions failed under which President?

Why is that relevant? So many people trying to point fingers, it's no wonder nothing gets fixed.

Maybe if more fingers were pointed over the last 8 years, the mess wouldn't be so deep.

JohnnyC: MrGumboPants: And I'm supposed to believe that if McCain had won and the GOP had taken over the house and senate, that poor people would be better off in Nov of 09?

If by, "better off", you meant, "drafted into the military and shipped off to fight another war in Iran", then yeah.

Seriously... I can't even begin to imagine what kind lunacy would be going on by now. Palin would have probably tried to kill McCain about four or five times or just decided that she was going to form her own rogue government. You betcha!

Nah. She would have quit long before she put the poison in his pancakes.

Yeah, I guess the first rise in GDP is meaningless psycho-babble. Obama should have fixed this in 10 months just like Reagan did.

It's not important how things got broken, it's only important that President Obama hasn't fixed them yet.

Has anyone pointed out that the bank bailout and the stimulus are different things?

No?

Has anyone pointed out that Jonah Farking Goldberg is a cock?

Ok.

Soup4Bonnie: It's not important how things got broken, it's only important that President Obama hasn't fixed them yet.

WTF is this guy's problem?

Here's a fun thought experiment - try to imagine what Jonah Goldberg would be doing today if his mommy hadn't gotten him hired on in the family business.

Blame any President you want, but Congress has far more effect on the economy than any president could.

I'm fine with this argument as long as Jonah and co. stay consistent and scoff at everyone who talks about in "trickle down" economics from now on. As in, the entire Republican party.

And he's suggesting what exactly, that the stimulus made things worse? What would he propose we do, include a Tax cut (which was about 1/3 of ARRA?), increase unemployment benefits (which also existed in ARRA?) or lend money to failing state governments (which was also a pretty big chunk of ARRA)?

The GDP has grown in the last quarter, and unemployment is a lagging indicator. That has nothing to do with wall street or trickling anywhere. In the meantime, the unemployed temporarily have more benefits than normal, which means they're better off thanks to ARRA.

I'm having some difficulty in seeing this as catastrophic, outside of a numbers game that says that unemployment is higher than projected. Unemployment being higher than projected doesn't mean that the stimulus made things worse, or that somehow it "failed", it merely suggests that the original situation was deeper than expected.

Truncks1: Yeah, I guess the first rise in GDP is meaningless psycho-babble. Obama should have fixed this in 10 months just like Reagan did.

Right because the 10.8% unemployment rate 18 months into Reagan's first term was Carter's fault, even though Reagan took office with a 7.6% unemployment rate.

JohnnyC: MrGumboPants: And I'm supposed to believe that if McCain had won and the GOP had taken over the house and senate, that poor people would be better off in Nov of 09?

If by, "better off", you meant, "drafted into the military and shipped off to fight another war in Iran", then yeah.

Seriously... I can't even begin to imagine what kind lunacy would be going on by now. Palin would have probably tried to kill McCain about four or five times or just decided that she was going to form her own rogue government. You betcha!

As an aside, there was kind of a saying I had during the campaign to explain my vote.

"I'd rather have President Obama sign my honorable discharge paperwork in a year and a half than I would have President McCain sign my stop-loss paperwork.

/done my time
//godless liberal heathen un-American military member... ftw?

Zagloba: Has anyone pointed out that the bank bailout and the stimulus are different things?


Also, has anybody remembered which President bailed out Wall Street?

Rug Doctor: I'm fine with this argument as long as Jonah and co. stay consistent and scoff at everyone who talks about in "trickle down" economics from now on. As in, the entire Republican party.

Considering this is the same group who screams 'Obama's ramming too many things down our throats!!' and 'Obama's doing nothing!' in the same sentences every day, consistency isn't exactly one of their strong points.

reality sure suck for dem-o-rats right now

get ready for 12% from the Chairman Obama, he just does not care

winterwhile: reality sure suck for dem-o-rats right now

get ready for 12% from the Chairman Obama, he just does not care

Yep. Things suck so bad that the Democrats just won a House seat that had been Republican for over 100 years.

Evidently neither subby nor anyone employed at NRO has ever heard of a "lagging indicator".

Nor do they have any concept of time, or they would realize that a lot can happen in three years.

RevMercutio: Also, has anybody remembered which President bailed out Wall Street?

Both sides are bad. We will water the tree of liberty with our descent.

winterwhile: reality sure suck for dem-o-rats right now

get ready for 12% from the Chairman Obama, he just does not care

Dude, I know you're trying to sound stupid, but if you don't dial it back no one will bite.

NeverDrunk23: Nah. She would have quit long before she put the poison in his pancakes.

Haha... nice :D

Lionel Mandrake: Dude, I know you're trying to sound stupid, but if you don't dial it back no one will bite.

I'm not sure he's trying. Of course, I don't care either.

Soup4Bonnie: RevMercutio: Also, has anybody remembered which President bailed out Wall Street?

Both sides are bad. We will water the tree of liberty with our descent.

It is the highest form of patriotic.

Whenever I hear Jonah Goldberg's name, I picture Jonah Hill in my mind.

/that is all

RevMercutio: Soup4Bonnie: RevMercutio: Also, has anybody remembered which President bailed out Wall Street?

Both sides are bad. We will water the tree of liberty with our descent.

It is the highest form of patriotic.

I water the tree of liberty with the sweet sweet tears of neocons and the drool of Real Americans™.

rnld: Truncks1: Yeah, I guess the first rise in GDP is meaningless psycho-babble. Obama should have fixed this in 10 months just like Reagan did.

Right because the 10.8% unemployment rate 18 months into Reagan's first term was Carter's fault, even though Reagan took office with a 7.6% unemployment rate.

Obviously if we let the banks and insurance companies fail and just cut taxes, we'd be at 2% unemployment and our revenues would increase. God, I wish I voted for McCain/Palin.

Truncks1: Obviously if we let the banks and insurance companies fail and just cut taxes, we'd be at 2% unemployment and our revenues would increase.

Don't forget all of the fungible molecules of domestic oil we'd be swimming in right now. Oh, and McCain was going to buy my bad mortgage from me! Why did I vote for the socialist instead of him?

Here in Southeast New Mexico it's officially over. Halliburton is hiring again.

Inyego: Blame any President you want, but Congress has far more effect on the economy than any president could.

this

the only thing presidents have any real effect over is what they sign, otherwise it's all congress and the details of their lawmaking that has the most impact

but that doesn't stop every president since the beginning of time getting blamed when times are bad or get credit when times are good

But.. but.. Reaganomics! Someone's been lying to me about how things work, but who?

AdamK: the only thing presidents have any real direct effect over is what they sign, otherwise it's all congress and the details of their lawmaking that has the most impact

FTFY. Well that and setting the policy direction for their party.

Which, when you think about it, means they control a lot.

AdamK: but that doesn't stop every president since the beginning of time getting blamed when times are bad or get credit when times are good

Much easier to target a single figurehead than a mass of talking heads. ;)

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Zagloba: AdamK: the only thing presidents have any real direct effect over is what they sign, otherwise it's all congress and the details of their lawmaking that has the most impact

FTFY. Well that and setting the policy direction for their party.

Which, when you think about it, means they control a lot.

There's also the minor matter of proposing the budget....

Lionel Mandrake: winterwhile: reality sure suck for dem-o-rats right now

get ready for 12% from the Chairman Obama, he just does not care

Dude, I know you're trying to sound stupid, but if you don't dial it back no one will bite.

Except he counts even your response as a 'bite.'

Bites nowadays are defined by how many people respond to you regardless of their response, not how many people fall for the troll.