I need another Nirvana album like I need a hole in my head.

Jonathan Hohensee: I need another Nirvana album like I need a hole in my head.

Yeah, I need another like I need...another...one

Dammit! You took the good one

Jonathon Hohensee

(golf clap)

Thread over.

In before "Courtney killed him!"
The mentally-ill, heroin-addled (he was on a first-name-basis with every dealer of horse in his base of operations before ever making Courtney's acquaintance) sad-sack fame whore committed suicide (twice!) on the night that he died.

In before "Kurt wrote 'Live Through This'" and/or "Kurt made her a star!" (he didn't).

In before "Courtney was Kurt's Ono or Spungen!" (she was along for the ride. He was at the wheel driving himself where he ultimately ended up).

Yeah. Courtney is a deeeeeeeeeeeeply flawed person (and someone who very much should never have been "heavy with pup" during her lifetime). But she doesn't deserve to be sh*t upon for acts she played no part in.

And no, I'm not her. Nor do I know her personally. Although I do know someone who does.

A local radio station is playing tracks of the Reading album and they sound great, I can't wait to own the DVD.

Wondering if Courtney Love is secretly Japancakes' puppy or something...

It's traditional to save the frantic, defensive, "Leave Britney alone!" missives until after someone tries to tarnish your precious darling.

radioberlin: A local radio station is playing tracks of the Reading album and they sound great, I can't wait to own the DVD.

It's long been one of their best bootlegs; very glad to see it released officially. Far better than that misguided Muddy Banks nonsense.

Why would you remaster Bleach? It's supposed to sound like it's being played through shiatty headphones on a half worn out cassette.

shoegaze99: Wondering if Courtney Love is secretly Japancakes' puppy or something...

It's traditional to save the frantic, defensive, "Leave Britney alone!" missives until after someone tries to tarnish your precious darling.

Hey. There are milllllllllllllllions of things that she's done within view of the public eye to give her deserved sh*t for (and zilllliona more done outside of it [well, that haven't as of yet come to light]). I just can't stomach annnnyone getting bashed for things that they are demonstrably not party to.

And no, I've not forgotten where I'm typing this.
And yes, I've done my share of bashing of Courtney (both on and offline). But only when she deserves it. And she doesn't go very long without doing something to earn deserved ridicule and scorn.

Am not the the world's most ardent fan of either Courtney's or Kurt's music.
They had a few solidly good songs between 'em.

Cake Hunter: Why would you remaster Bleach? It's supposed to sound like it's being played through shiatty headphones on a half worn out cassette.

Agreed.
But since it was remastered by the original producer, it should be at least worth a listen or two.

Unfortunately NOT in before some freak made this about Courtney Love.

Bleach is the only Nirvana album that I can stand and i don't understand the motivation behind remastering it. The basement feel is genuinely part of why it's such a great album imo.

Can we get some more articles about how Kurt Cobain was the misunderstood voice of a wayward generation?

I want to see Gen X turn into the boomers as fast as they possibly can and this is just one more way to speed it up thanks



tards

Aw, you love me! Around these parts, "freak" is the utmost term of endearment.

Anyway, and for the record: "Bleach" has the largest number of what I consider to be good Nirvana tracks. That's why it's the only complete Nirvana album in my collection. (The few good songs on "Nevermind" ("On A Plane" and "Lounge Act") and "In Utero" ("Very Ape" and "Serve the Servants" and "FFWHHROS") I purchased as single tracks.

Incesticide was a great album.

Eat_At_Milliways: Can we get some more articles about how Kurt Cobain was the misunderstood voice of a wayward generation?

I want to see Gen X turn into the boomers as fast as they possibly can and this is just one more way to speed it up thanks

tards


Whine all you like. The fact is, Cobain was very influential on the music scene in a very short time. You may not remember the state of music in the late 1980s, but outside of punk and rap, it was a pretty moribund collection of hair metal, derivative, recycled dance pop and not much else.

Whether you like their music or not, you have to admit that Nirvana were damned influential.

But go on and bash them if you like. If that's what it takes to make you feel good about your own taste in music, then have at it.

Christi: Incesticide was a great album.


I won't dismiss kurt entirely because through him (through "Incesticide") I did discover the genius of The Vaselines.

If I could, I'd thank him personally for that, if not much else.

Japancakes you're not Courtney. You can spell.

Eat_At_Milliways You're referring to ALL of GenX as "tards"? This is the generation that fought a war in the Middle East so your Facebooking punk-ass wouldn't have to.

FloydA: Eat_At_Milliways: Can we get some more articles about how Kurt Cobain was the misunderstood voice of a wayward generation?

I want to see Gen X turn into the boomers as fast as they possibly can and this is just one more way to speed it up thanks

tards


Whine all you like. The fact is, Cobain was very influential on the music scene in a very short time. You may not remember the state of music in the late 1980s, but outside of punk and rap, it was a pretty moribund collection of hair metal, derivative, recycled dance pop and not much else.

Whether you like their music or not, you have to admit that Nirvana were damned influential.

But go on and bash them if you like. If that's what it takes to make you feel good about your own taste in music, then have at it.

i kind of see both of your points.
yes, i suppose nirvana were influential and yes they were poster boys for a demographic shift in the consumption of popular music. seems like you get one of those every ten years or so as new kids grow into adolescence. before nirvana it was duran duran or prince or elvis costello or the cars or someone like that. i dont happen to think nirvana were all that great, however. i seem to remember a lot of small-scale postpunk bands around in those days and nirvana was not special imho. i think janes addiction were a much better band, for example.
nevertheless a lot of ink was spilled about how nirvana was the voice of the new generation and the public appears to have bought it hook, line and sinker. people still want to talk about kurt cobain as a beautifully tragic lost genius soul cut off in his prime. that makes him the jim morrison of his generation with all the bombast, chicanery and flapdoodle such a designation implies.

i suspect every era has a moribund collection of manufactured music in the hit parade or billboard top 40 or itunes or whatever is used to gauge sales at any particular point in time.

whatever, Bleach was a great album.

I still like nirvana AND hole
(and TAD)

FloydA: You may not remember the state of music in the late 1980s, but outside of punk and rap

Or not. A huge volume of underground, experimental and avante gaurde music came out of the 80's. Believe it or not ... there IS music beyond the radio dial.

FloydA: Whether you like their music or not, you have to admit that Nirvana were damned influential.

this is Nirvana's lasting influence:


Japancakes: I won't dismiss kurt entirely because through him (through "Incesticide") I did discover the genius of The Vaselines.

that's it. He influenced people to pick up records by arguably better artists. I like Nirvana, but I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone they really influenced beyond 1996. I see Nirvana as more iconic of the 80s indie underground finally gaining mainstream acceptance, but that's about it.

Oh jesus ... now with the RIP crap?

Eat_At_Milliways: Can we get some more articles about how Kurt Cobain was the misunderstood voice of a wayward generation?

I want to see Gen X turn into the boomers as fast as they possibly can and this is just one more way to speed it up thanks



tards

You sound angry.

wow, lots of ungrateful children here... but hey, Id be bitter too if my generation had virtually no music icons to speak of

HappyHarryHardOn: wow, lots of ungrateful children here... but hey, Id be bitter too if my generation had virtually no music icons to speak of

Trollin', right? how old are you? I could rattle off 20 guys who could be considered music icons from the early/mid 90's.

oooh a clearer version of "talk to me"? yay!

i still cherish my bootleg i bot 12 years ago. riding my bike and paying $30 for 20 songs.

FlyingJ: Japancakes you're not Courtney. You can spell.

Eat_At_Milliways You're referring to ALL of GenX as "tards"? This is the generation that fought a war in the Middle East so your Facebooking punk-ass wouldn't have to.

Are we remembering to never forget that bullshiat now, too? Can't tell if serious.

FloydA: Eat_At_Milliways: Can...

You may not remember the state of music in the late 1980s, but outside of punk and rap, it was a pretty moribund collection of hair metal, derivative, recycled dance pop and not much else.

Whether you like their music or not, you have to admit that Nirvana were damned influential.

first, no I don't have to admit anything about Nirvana. second, I don't know if YOU remember the state of music back then, but there are other countries than the US, thanks. Kurt Cobain influenced people to slow down, that's about all.

phedex: HappyHarryHardOn: wow, lots of ungrateful children here... but hey, Id be bitter too if my generation had virtually no music icons to speak of

Trollin', right? how old are you? I could rattle off 20 guys who could be considered music icons from the early/mid 90's.

We're talking about Nirvana here, so obviously, im talking about AFTER that period

wouldestous: people still want to talk about kurt cobain as a beautifully tragic lost genius soul cut off in his prime.

Thaaaaaaank youuuuuuuuuu



See the shirt? There's a reason the stereotypical angry young man from the 90s is wearing the shirt.

Nirvana was good. Not my own cup of tea, the only of their albums I still have is Unplugged.

I'm much more of a fan of the 80's alternative stuff, early REM, Replacements et. al. Nirvana was not the end-all be-all of alternative rock, or even grunge, and the more I hear about the tragic genius that was Kurt Cobain the more all I can see in my mind's eye is baby boomers who still aren't over their own youth.

A little perspective, that's all I'm asking for.

Eat_At_Milliways: wouldestous: people still want to talk about kurt cobain as a beautifully tragic lost genius soul cut off in his prime.

Thaaaaaaank youuuuuuuuuu



See the shirt? There's a reason the stereotypical angry young man from the 90s is wearing the shirt.

Nirvana was good. Not my own cup of tea, the only of their albums I still have is Unplugged.

I'm much more of a fan of the 80's alternative stuff, early REM, Replacements et. al. Nirvana was not the end-all be-all of alternative rock, or even grunge, and the more I hear about the tragic genius that was Kurt Cobain the more all I can see in my mind's eye is baby boomers who still aren't over their own youth.

A little perspective, that's all I'm asking for.

Eat_At_Milliways: wouldestous: people still want to talk about kurt cobain as a beautifully tragic lost genius soul cut off in his prime.

Thaaaaaaank youuuuuuuuuu



See the shirt? There's a reason the stereotypical angry young man from the 90s is wearing the shirt.

Nirvana was good. Not my own cup of tea, the only of their albums I still have is Unplugged.

I'm much more of a fan of the 80's alternative stuff, early REM, Replacements et. al. Nirvana was not the end-all be-all of alternative rock, or even grunge, and the more I hear about the tragic genius that was Kurt Cobain the more all I can see in my mind's eye is baby boomers who still aren't over their own youth.

A little perspective, that's all I'm asking for.


Ha ha. OK, you got me. I fell for your troll, hook, line and sinker until you mentioned REM.
Good one.
9.85/10

I've seen some clips from the Reading video, which I might have at least rented but it looks like it was cut by a meth head with ADD. Jesus H there's nothing I hate more than footage cut together to appoximate the effect of a strobe light. Call me old fashioned, but I can actually look at an image for longer than a quarter of a second without losing interest.

Maybe make a cut for aging Gen X fogies like myself who don't need their senses assaulted by video images and I'd be able to watch it.

This remaster sounds like crap. All Endino did was slap a little noise reduction on there and compress the hell out of it.

Original:


Remaster:

Went and picked up the bleach remaster after I read this, I havent had this album since I had the tape back in 6th grade... that thing accompanied me on a lot of walks home from school and morning paper routes.

Verdict is, the damn album still rocks. even remastered, it still retains that kind of gritty, bashing-angry quality. So many freaking memories attached to this thing.

I was 16 in 1991; directly in the heart of the generation who found meaning in Nirvana et al. Even at the time, I knew they weren't the greatest band in the world, but I really liked the attitude.

Compared to Poison, Aerosmith or any number of others at the time, Cobain had a humility and a realistic view of what he was. Sebastian Bach was storming out of interviews at the first hint of anything short of reverence, while Cobain was making fun of himself, his abilities and his band while on stage. Yet, unlike the punk bands, he still took his craft seriously enough to care about improving and exploring new things. To me, that was more "real" and really appealing, because it was the way I and my friends viewed the world.

I found out later that much of his schtick was engineered, but even with that knowledge, I still like fact that he was the first anti-hero who didn't sulk in every interview (hello, Morrisey) to beat me to death with obviously fake disinterest.

TheKingOfMexico: I was 16 in 1991; directly in the heart of the generation who found meaning in Nirvana et al. Even at the time, I knew they weren't the greatest band in the world, but I really liked the attitude.

Compared to Poison, Aerosmith or any number of others at the time, Cobain had a humility and a realistic view of what he was. Sebastian Bach was storming out of interviews at the first hint of anything short of reverence, while Cobain was making fun of himself, his abilities and his band while on stage. Yet, unlike the punk bands, he still took his craft seriously enough to care about improving and exploring new things. To me, that was more "real" and really appealing, because it was the way I and my friends viewed the world.

I found out later that much of his schtick was engineered, but even with that knowledge, I still like fact that he was the first anti-hero who didn't sulk in every interview (hello, Morrisey) to beat me to death with obviously fake disinterest.

I think what makes the era interesting to me (same reason the thrash bands of the 80's are interesting) is that sense of realism to their attitudes and lives. Good example...watch "decline of western civilization part 2". The glam bands acted like such posers at every possible moment. the only honest shiat I saw in that movie, was the end, when megadeth were interviewed.

the realest music, to me, continually comes from the disenfranchised and those who grew up not being well off. It shows through in interviews, it shows through in not giving a fark about how you dress or talk, and just letting the music speak... and if its coming honest then its going to be successful, or memorable, or a combination of both. Thats why groups like ratt and whitesnake, and their ilk couldnt make anything that stands the test of time.

And thats why even nirvana in all their popularity, stands above a lot of bands who sold an equal amount of records over their careers as far as I'm concerned.

/I think thats the best description of how I feel about music, that i've ever typed

FloydA: Whine all you like. The fact is, Cobain was very influential on the music scene in a very short time. You may not remember the state of music in the late 1980s, but outside of punk and rap, it was a pretty moribund collection of hair metal, derivative, recycled dance pop and not much else.

This is the myth, but there were many bands out, even before Nirvana, that were breaking the mold. Jane's Addiction. Red Hot Chili Peppers. Faith No More. Lots of other stuff, but I'm lazy.

the best thing cobain ever released was the safety.

/i did like bleach.

extra echo: the best thing cobain ever released was the safety.

/i did like bleach.

Wow! THAT was a good, snarky comment!

My favorite Cobain joke:

You know what was tragic about Kurt Cobain's death?

That dude from Pearl Jam wasn't right behind him when he pulled the trigger.

In Utero is such a good album. It's the one that has really stood the test of time to me.

Best thing Kurt did was pull the trigger because it gave us the Foo Fighters.
Worst thing Kurt did was pull the trigger because it gave us pretentious music douches who continually attempt to compare Kurt to Hendrix, which is like comparing the scream of a man who just got punched in the testicles to a Mozart composition.

Bhasayate:

This is the myth, but there were many bands out, even before Nirvana, that were breaking the mold. Jane's Addiction. Red Hot Chili Peppers. Faith No More. Lots of other stuff, but I'm lazy.

There were certainly other bands and artists doing things outside of the derivative, boring rehash stuff of the late 80s. I'm not sure I would have included those three on my list, but I can understand why you do.

But to say (as some, not necessarily you, have said) that Nirvana were not influential in changing the music scene of the US is just false. Whether you liked them or hated them or were completely ambivalent about them, you were aware of them. You can't say that about a lot of the other really talented acts of the time.

Some, like the three you named, did cover ground that nobody else had and went on to be very big. Others (many that were far more radical departures from mainstream) vanished. But very few are being talked about 15 years later in as much detail as Nirvana is today.

Seriously, Pearl Jam, Hole, L7, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden... if Nirvana hadn't broken out into the mainstream, those people would all be working at used record stores or as night shift welders at Boeing right now. (Except Courtney, who would probably be a hooker up on Aurora Ave.)

The Cobain-bashing is fashionable now, and that's fine, but denying that Nirvana helped make "alternative" into "mainstream" is simply not historically accurate. That's all I'm saying.

FloydA: Nirvana helped make "alternative" into "mainstream" is simply not historically accurate. That's all I'm saying.

Why is this a good thing? Serious question. I mean ... so there's this underground scene of rock primarily out of Seattle. It's got a great (to some) feel for the gritty, no bullshiat vibe of a segment of a generation. Suddenly some douchebag music critic or label rep or whatever gives it a name, creates a genre, pkgs, boxes, markets and reproduces it. Suddenly every dumbass between 15 and 26 across the country is wearing flannel shirts, combat boots and thrift store pants ... there are hundreds of bands who all have 'that sound' of those 4 bands played endlessly on the radio, and "alternative" is a category when you join Columbia or BMG.
How was that good for the music, exactly? I'm not really a fan but the same thing has happened to other types of mysic and the result is always the same.