Quite unlike the extremely tolerant Islamic countries.

Sepunking??

This is why mixing religion and government is bad.

Spelunking for trollbait?

Then by all means, lets give them free nuclear reign and as many cluster bombs as they can carry.

real shaman: Quite unlike the extremely tolerant Islamic countries.

Wow. The "but...but...but the other guys are worse!" excuse right out of the gate. I expected at least a half-hearted attempt to impugn the source before someone went there.

Jon Snow: real shaman: Quite unlike the extremely tolerant Islamic countries.

Wow. The "but...but...but the other guys are worse!" excuse right out of the gate. I expected at least a half-hearted attempt to impugn the source before someone went there.

yeah, well when one claims someone is intolerant, what should one use for a measure?

but but but my asshole, moron

Jon Snow: real shaman: Quite unlike the extremely tolerant Islamic countries.

Wow. The "but...but...but the other guys are worse!" excuse right out of the gate. I expected at least a half-hearted attempt to impugn the source before someone went there.

Kind of like:

The case for Israel is made of four propositions that should always be presented in the correct escalating order.

1. We rock
2. They suck
3. You suck
4. Everything sucks

He went to 'everything sucks' way too fast.

Good headline, subby. :)

real shaman: Quite unlike the extremely tolerant Islamic countries.

Good thing those Islamic countries are our allies the...oh, they're not?

Party Boy: The case for Israel is made of four propositions that should always be presented in the correct escalating order.
1. We rock
2. They suck
3. You suck
4. Everything sucks

That's farking amazing. It's like every other Fark ME thread condensed. Holy shiat.

real shaman: Jon Snow: real shaman: Quite unlike the extremely tolerant Islamic countries.

Wow. The "but...but...but the other guys are worse!" excuse right out of the gate. I expected at least a half-hearted attempt to impugn the source before someone went there.

yeah, well when one claims someone is intolerant, what should one use for a measure?

but but but my asshole, moron

How about measuring against the person making the statement, or in this case, the person who is making the statement's country.

but but but my moron, asshole.

cameroncrazy1984: real shaman: Quite unlike the extremely tolerant Islamic countries.

Good thing those Islamic countries are our allies the...oh, they're not?

Some are. Saudis being a big example. Here I think you are talking about a question of scale to commitment. I'f some sort of argument of scale comes up, let me dig up some quick stuff

There's this.

Read this starting with

Leverett plunged right into a dramatic new peace proposal floated by Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. Calling for "full normalization" in exchange for "full withdrawal" from the occupied territories, Abdullah promised to rally all the Arab nations to a final settlement with Israel. In his brand-new third-floor office at the Old Executive Office Building, a tiny room with a very high ceiling, Leverett began hammering out the details with Abdullah's foreign-policy advisor, Adel Al-Jubeir. When Ariel Sharon said that a return to the '67 borders was unacceptable, Al-Jubeir said the Saudis didn't want to be in the "real estate business" -- if the Palestinians agreed to border modifications, the Saudis could hardly refuse them. Al-Jubeir believed he had something that might actually work.

But the White House wasn't interested. Sharon already rejected it, Rice told Leverett.

At the Arab League meeting, Abdullah got every Arab state to sign his proposal in a unanimous vote.

The White House still wasn't interested.

Perhaps this too.
Netanyahu savours victory after US drops settlement demand

Jon Snow: Party Boy: The case for Israel is made of four propositions that should always be presented in the correct escalating order.
1. We rock
2. They suck
3. You suck
4. Everything sucks

That's farking amazing. It's like every other Fark ME thread condensed. Holy shiat.

I loled when i read it too. Recipe to never take on the issue head on

Yeah because everyone is so tolerant of Israel. If I was Israel, I would be doing the same shiat. Almost everyone in the middle east doesn't like them, and has tried to take them over before.

real shaman: yeah, well when one claims someone is intolerant, what should one use for a measure?

I dunno, maybe hold people to a higher standard? They're all assholes, no reason to defend anyone for it.

Epiphany: Yeah because everyone is so tolerant of Israel. If I was Israel, I would be doing the same shiat. Almost everyone in the middle east doesn't like them, and has tried to take them over before.

They also want to operate a Jewish state, therefore building in discrimination in their social structure. It kind of started there.

NuclearPenguins: This is why mixing religion and government is bad.

Religion IS a form of government. so really you have two forms of government competing. hence bad.

/yo dawg, I herd you like government.

Epiphany: Yeah because everyone is so tolerant of Israel. If I was Israel, I would be doing the same shiat. Almost everyone in the middle east doesn't like them, and has tried to take them over before.

thanks. I almost about the negativistic exceptionalist narrative.

Man, Tatsuma is gonna be pissed he missed this... Do the mods green stuff like this on shabbas just to mess with him?

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Man, Tatsuma is gonna be pissed he missed this... Do the mods green stuff like this on shabbas just to mess with him?

On Shabbas would be a great name for a rock band.

/nothing more to add than that.

cameroncrazy1984: real shaman: Quite unlike the extremely tolerant Islamic countries.

Good thing those Islamic countries are our allies the...oh, they're not?

what has Israel ever done for us? They're not so much our ally as a protectorate.

real shaman: Quite unlike the extremely tolerant Islamic countries.


So Israel can do whatever the fark it wants as long as it doesn't get as bad as its neighbors? Really? That's how you see the world?

What muslim holy sites? There is only ONE place sacred to muslims in Israel and that is the dome of the rock because Mohammed visited it in a dream. As a result they made it so no Jew can ever set foot on temple mount again and then desecrated the Jewish sites for 1200 years.

The government still allows the muslims to forbid Jews from setting foot on the remnants of their old Temple. They also allow the Muslims to throw rocks at visitors to the wailing wall once a year. That seems racist to me.

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Man, Tatsuma is gonna be pissed he missed this... Do the mods green stuff like this on shabbas just to mess with him?

I was just gonna say... that Fark green-lighting this on Shabbat is a pretty clear case of "3. You suck".

Needlessly Complicated 2009-11-07 02:33:00 PM

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w00t so gotta steal that

Jamespoon:
They also want to operate a Jewish state, therefore building in discrimination in their social structure. It kind of started there.

Quick: name the one country in the Middle East where you can be Palestinian and still vote in free elections.

real shaman: yeah, well when one claims someone is intolerant, what should one use for a measure?

If it's a Western nation, you should use other Western nations as a comparison point. Having to compare a first world, Western nation to second or third world authoritarian shiatholes in order to make the country you are trying to defend look good by comparison is basically admitting that your argument was dead before you ever wasted the bandwidth to post it.

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Man, Tatsuma is gonna be pissed he missed this... Do the mods green stuff like this on shabbas just to mess with him?

Listen, if you have been here long enough, you already know every single thing he would say anyway.

Denial, deflection, relativism and cries of racism.

Yawn, you could create a bot to be Tats and it would be just as interesting and entertaining.

I had dinner with Ehud Olmert (really!) The room was full of pretty intelligent people, all of whom were hand-picked by upper administration or are in Graduate school for Diplomacy. He spent most of the time dodging questions about the separation wall, settlers assaulting visitors and Palestinians alike, and a slew of other questions.

I was shocked, though, as he attempted to recount the cold war, describing America and Russia as "civilized" nations that would never use an atomic bomb because they "understood" mutually-assured destruction. Then, out of nowhere, he juxtaposed that with Iran and pointed out how only one nuke is needed to destroy all of Israel, and that, despite being "avenged" by America, Iran would still have achieved it's "goal" by launching a nuke at them.

The very insinuation that Iranians are inherantly less civilized and stupid than Russia and America and don't understand mutually-assured destruction made me realize the highest level of administration in Israel is even delusional.

cirby: Jamespoon:
They also want to operate a Jewish state, therefore building in discrimination in their social structure. It kind of started there.

Quick: name the one country in the Middle East where you can be Palestinian and still vote in free elections.


Quick: Explain why the way Arab countries treat their Palestinian residents is at all relevant to how Israel treats theirs.

Nudge: I had dinner with Ehud Olmert (really!) The room was full of pretty intelligent people, all of whom were hand-picked by upper administration or are in Graduate school for Diplomacy. He spent most of the time dodging questions about the separation wall, settlers assaulting visitors and Palestinians alike, and a slew of other questions.

I was shocked, though, as he attempted to recount the cold war, describing America and Russia as "civilized" nations that would never use an atomic bomb because they "understood" mutually-assured destruction. Then, out of nowhere, he juxtaposed that with Iran and pointed out how only one nuke is needed to destroy all of Israel, and that, despite being "avenged" by America, Iran would still have achieved it's "goal" by launching a nuke at them.

The very insinuation that Iranians are inherantly less civilized and stupid than Russia and America and don't understand mutually-assured destruction made me realize the highest level of administration in Israel is even delusional.

You sound like the delusional one to me. The Iranian government is barbaric and backwards. Their culture allows people to kill girls for having the audacity to get raped or show their hair in public. They have stated several times that their goal is the complete decimation of Israel and all of Judaism.

Nudge: The very insinuation that Iranians are inherantly less civilized and stupid than Russia and America and don't understand mutually-assured destruction made me realize the highest level of administration in Israel is even delusional.

Because the Ahmadinutjob guy was democratically elected by the Iranian people?

Also, he probably overestimated Russia & America when it comes to MAD, IMO... he didn't underestimate Iranians. Everyone is equally irrational.

/no, I'm not really Tatsuma's sabbath day alt

Nemo's Brother: You sound like the delusional one to me. The Iranian government is barbaric and backwards. Their culture allows people to kill girls for having the audacity to get raped or show their hair in public. They have stated several times that their goal is the complete decimation of Israel and all of Judaism.

And this has what to do with their understanding of MAD?

Nemo's Brother: You sound like the delusional one to me. The Iranian government is barbaric and backwards. Their culture allows people to kill girls for having the audacity to get raped or show their hair in public. They have stated several times that their goal is the complete decimation of Israel and all of Judaism.

Who is "they"?

Nudge: I had dinner with Ehud Olmert (really!) The room was full of pretty intelligent people, all of whom were hand-picked by upper administration or are in Graduate school for Diplomacy. He spent most of the time dodging questions about the separation wall, settlers assaulting visitors and Palestinians alike, and a slew of other questions.

I was shocked, though, as he attempted to recount the cold war, describing America and Russia as "civilized" nations that would never use an atomic bomb because they "understood" mutually-assured destruction. Then, out of nowhere, he juxtaposed that with Iran and pointed out how only one nuke is needed to destroy all of Israel, and that, despite being "avenged" by America, Iran would still have achieved it's "goal" by launching a nuke at them.

The very insinuation that Iranians are inherantly less civilized and stupid than Russia and America and don't understand mutually-assured destruction made me realize the highest level of administration in Israel is even delusional.

Not Iranians as a whole. But you can't possibly tell me that you are equally comfortable with the idea of the current Iran regime having nukes as you are with the U.S. having them

cameroncrazy1984: Nemo's Brother: You sound like the delusional one to me. The Iranian government is barbaric and backwards. Their culture allows people to kill girls for having the audacity to get raped or show their hair in public. They have stated several times that their goal is the complete decimation of Israel and all of Judaism.

And this has what to do with their understanding of MAD?


Maybe they don't read the magazine?

jrchan: But you can't possibly tell me that you are equally comfortable with the idea of the current Iran regime having nukes as you are with the U.S. having them

This move cracks me up. Nice shift from "Israel not a tolerant society" to discussing a hypothetical future scenario where Iran might have refined low enriched uranium to make HEU, then nuclear weapons, (then talk about a futuristic delivery system perhaps?).

Awesome change of subject.

Biological Ali: Who is "they"?

People harping on about mistranslations that were known to be inaccurate within days of them being aired.

jrchan: But you can't possibly tell me that you are equally comfortable with the idea of the current Iran regime having nukes as you are with the U.S. having them

Considering there is no evidence to show that the Iranians are working towards nuclear weapons, your presented hypothetical is farcical.

Biological Ali: :You sound like the delusional one to me. The Iranian Israeli government is barbaric and backwards. Their culture allows people to kill girls boys, girls, women and kittens for having the audacity to get raped or show their hair in public be indigenous to the area they live in. . They have stated several times that their goal is the complete decimation of Israel and all of Judaism the Palestinian peoples.
?

Nudge: pointed out how only one nuke is needed to destroy all of Israel

Huh? Israel destroyed by only one nuke? Israel is over 50 miles wide at it's widest point, and several hundred lengthwise. That'd have to be one powerful bomb. Maybe the Tsar Bomba could've done it, but certainly not a primitive Iranian duct-taped together Hiroshima style bomb.

I predict that this issue will be solved once and for all in this thread.

/bookmarked

petcat2469

Not that I have any particular issue with that response, but it should be made clear that the post you were responding to originated with Nemo's Brother, and not me.

Biological Ali: Who is "they"?

"They" is the Right's favorite pronoun.

fifth_of_november: Nudge: pointed out how only one nuke is needed to destroy all of Israel

Huh? Israel destroyed by only one nuke? Israel is over 50 miles wide at it's widest point, and several hundred lengthwise. That'd have to be one powerful bomb. Maybe the Tsar Bomba could've done it, but certainly not a primitive Iranian duct-taped together Hiroshima style bomb.

One nuke on Tel Aviv would destroy the banking, most of the foreign embassies, hotels and damage much of the industry of Israel. It would destroy the country.

They ground burst it and the fallout would ravage Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem.

fifth_of_november: Biological Ali: Who is "they"?

"They" is the Right's favorite pronoun.

I thought it was "Some".
e.g. "Some say..."

jrchan: Not Iranians as a whole. But you can't possibly tell me that you are equally comfortable with the idea of the current Iran regime having nukes as you are with the U.S. having them

Depends on how you define Iran's motives. Assuming that they are hellbent on destroying Israel probably is a little shortsighted when you consider also that Iran borders two countries that are currently occupied by a foreign enemy, is dealing with power imbalance in the region, the Taliban is creating havoc nearby, and they are dangerously close to a nuclear power that is currently ranked 10th in the Failed States Index. Say what you want about their approach to governance, but arming oneself for self defense in these conditions should not inexcusable.