What the hell? I don't even smoke and find smokers annoying but what the hell? This isn't Russia. This isn't Russia, is it, Danny? No, this isn't Russia.

Number one, kids don't smoke because it tastes good. They smoke to be cool. Second, EVERYTHING about the tobacco industry is about targeting children. No one in their right mind starts smoking as an adult. The candy cigs, the cartoon camel that looks like a cock for some reason, the anti-smoking ads on tv that are so obnoxious they would have made me want to smoke if I was a kid. It's all about getting the kids roped in early, before they know how retarded smoking is.

I usually find slippery slope arguments annoying but this piece of legislation sounds dangerous.

They should ban all coolers and fruit flavoured beer.

Especially the beer. That's a travesty.

People really shouldn't worry about this to much, 99% of that flavored tobacco is emptied out of the cigar and deposited on the ground. The empty shell is then filled with a natural herbal product and THEN smoked. This City is going absolutely insane with laws outlawing products that are already illegal for the people they are "protecting".

Couldn't you take this to court and beat it? It seems like a city can't do this? I don't know.

Oh yeah,

Ennuipoet: People really shouldn't worry about this to much, 99% of that flavored tobacco is emptied out of the cigar and deposited on the ground. The empty shell is then filled with a natural herbal product and THEN smoked. This City is going absolutely insane with laws outlawing products that are already illegal for the people they are "protecting".

But if they don't know what's good for me, who does? I'm not smart enough to decide for myself.

So Menthol was allowed because that would have been racist?

I don't see why this is such a big deal.

Yeah, it's obvious that they are trying to hook kids into smoking, so why is it so bad to stop something that is just terrible for you?

You assume most new yorkers are smart.

This is the flaw in your argument.

The kids in my school all smoked Marlboro Reds or Camels anyway. Are they just trying to mess with the goth kids?

mitchcumstein1: Couldn't you take this to court and beat it? It seems like a city can't do this?

There's some signs of a resurgence of the idea among legal academics, but for the most part any "economic freedom" lawsuit is going to be DOA in the courts.

Ennuipoet: People really shouldn't worry about this to much, 99% of that flavored tobacco is emptied out of the cigar and deposited on the ground. The empty shell is then filled with a natural herbal product and THEN smoked. This City is going absolutely insane with laws outlawing products that are already illegal for the people they are "protecting".

In my experience, people usually use the regular ones for that, not the flavored ones. Peach and grape swishers are just atrocious.

fta

Do they honestly believe that the kids today are into rum-flavored cigars, or that they are sneaking into Nat Sherman to score the latest offering from CAO or Drew Estate?

no, I'm sure they're not, but I would be willing to be they are attracted by these:



which may be the point of the ban

Glad I don't live in NY. Seems completely asinine to include pipe tobacco.

/adult who enjoys the occasional pipe filled with vanilla cavendish.

Ennuipoet: People really shouldn't worry about this to much, 99% of that flavored tobacco is emptied out of the cigar and deposited on the ground. The empty shell is then filled with a natural herbal product and THEN smoked. This City is going absolutely insane with laws outlawing products that are already illegal for the people they are "protecting".

This. That tobacco inside the flavored cigar? That's not for smoking. Hopefully this just teaches the young'ins to flavor their own honey wraps.

I've always wondered if the farmers who grow tobacco for Dutch Masters and similar gas station cigars know how pointless their job is.

The Angry Hand of God: The kids in my school all smoked Marlboro Reds or Camels anyway. Are they just trying to mess with the goth kids?

If the picture in the article is anything to go by, they're trying to mess with people who like to smoke cigars named "Karma Sutra Splash."

Who names a cigar that anyway?

jesus farking christ I hate America sometimes, personal responsibility is farking gone. If they come for my Hookah I will cap a motherfarker

They can have my calabash when they pry it from my cold, dead, tobacco-stained hands.

Magorn: fta

Do they honestly believe that the kids today are into rum-flavored cigars, or that they are sneaking into Nat Sherman to score the latest offering from CAO or Drew Estate?

no, I'm sure they're not, but I would be willing to be they are attracted by these:



which may be the point of the ban

Maybe it's just growing up with a lot of snobby white trash, but if you smoked that stuff as a kid you got punched in the face. You didn't smoke things because of the cuteness of the packaging, you smoked whatever everyone else did to be cool.

It's not until college and a few classes in art history that kids start smoking that stuff.

And if there are exceptions to this, they are definitely in the minority.

Magorn: fta

Do they honestly believe that the kids today are into rum-flavored cigars, or that they are sneaking into Nat Sherman to score the latest offering from CAO or Drew Estate?

no, I'm sure they're not, but I would be willing to be they are attracted by these:



which may be the point of the ban

Those aren't tobacco products.

The Angry Hand of God: The kids in my school all smoked Marlboro Reds or Camels anyway. Are they just trying to mess with the goth kids?

Pretty sure. They found out we all just started smoking Djarum's cigarillos when we couldn't get our kreteks.

I heard that making things illegal stops teens from doing things. I mean we have so many other great examples to work with.

Magorn: fta

Do they honestly believe that the kids today are into rum-flavored cigars, or that they are sneaking into Nat Sherman to score the latest offering from CAO or Drew Estate?

no, I'm sure they're not, but I would be willing to be they are attracted by these:



which may be the point of the ban

Just so you know, Juicy Jays are wraps for weed. Sometimes blunt wraps, AFAIK.

/The More You Know

Tr0mBoNe: They should ban all coolers and fruit flavoured beer.

Especially the beer. That's a travesty.

You take away my Abita Purple Haze and it'll mean your head on a pike. Wine coolers though... that crap should be destroyed and all memory of it should be stricken from the historical record.

Children are more influenced by the mass of negativity towards smoking with the inundation of "Truth" ads and such legislation rekindling the notion of cigarettes being cool due to appearing rebellious, independent, whathaveyou. How are you supposed to be cool with a smiling, smoking cherry on the pack or needing to guise the tobacco with sugary flavors? Those are the same lame children who drink Smirnoff Ice and syrup-filled vodaks.

meh- they aren't messing with cigars, so delicious blunts are still safe. carry on.

Magorn: fta

Do they honestly believe that the kids today are into rum-flavored cigars, or that they are sneaking into Nat Sherman to score the latest offering from CAO or Drew Estate?

no, I'm sure they're not, but I would be willing to be they are attracted by these:



which may be the point of the ban

Aren't those just rolling papers, not tobacco products?