Not a chance.

Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.

arkansas: Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.

I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.

Seriously, do you just spout stupid in every thread? I've never seen you post something that made sense or didn't have some major flaw in it.

It'll be funny when Boise gets passed by Oregon in the BCS poll. Maybe not this week, but it'll happen eventually if they keep winning.

Go go playoff system. If I wanted to watch someone win through voting, I would watch American Idol or figure skating (which I don't). Let champions be decided on 120 yards of field with 60 minutes on the clock.

GAT_00: arkansas: Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.

I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.

Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.

They didn't shut up when they barely beat Tulsa, so they sure as hell won't shut up with this win.

bubbaprog: GAT_00: arkansas: Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.

I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.

Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.

No it won't

GAT_00: arkansas: Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.

I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.

Pretty much. Even Hawkeye fans such as myself think that Iowa is not all that good, just super lucky. Ooo. I have this week's SI in which IA made the cover in my recycling. Even Ferentz agrees with this. Hold on, let me find it.

Thanks for waiting. Ferentz on the computer rankings:

"That's nice," says Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, "but if the computers had eyes and could see us play, trust me, they'd be saying, 'Are you kidding me?'"

And don't start up with that BS officiating on the side of Iowa crap. I am sick of that. You are just sore losers.

bubbaprog: GAT_00: arkansas: Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.

I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.

Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.

I think Florida, Alabama, and Texas factor into the equation.

Boise doesn't even deserve to be ranked above TCU, let alone play in a national title game.

Maybe when Florida should have shut up after squeaking out a win against lowly Mississippi State by the same margin?

I'm going to give them a break on the SOS. Boise State has said that no top-25 team will agree to play them in the upcoming years. They're stuck in a bad cycle: they don't play anybody and nobody will play them. No one wants to play them because the current system rewards programs from major conferences for playing easy schedules and going undefeated.

Right now, Boise State has to hope that Iowa goes undefeated in the Big 10 and fails to get a national championship bid. Maybe then the Big 10 would receive enough backlash to throw its weight behind a playoff system. (In a perfect world, Iowa would be replaced with Michigan or Ohio State, but Iowa could still serve the purpose.) If Cincinnati and TCU win out as well, it will just be icing on the cake.

I heard that Boise State hired a PR firm to talk them up nationally. I honestly don't know what else they can do at this point.

/Texas Fan

I'm a huge football fan, but the BCS is the main reason why I cannot get into college football the same way I get into the NFL. Something about making the sport subjective just takes the fun out of it. Then I think of the way teams pad schedules out with easy games. The whole thing start to feel like politics. When they make a playoffs system, I will become a fan.

They still won :P

Teams have bad games. A system that demands a perfect season will just continue this scheduling nonsense when nobody will put up against Boise because they, GASP, might lose.

Because Florida (Tenn & Ark), Alabama (Va Tech & Tenn), Iowa (Northern Iowa & Ark St.) and Texas (v Tex Tech and Oklahoma) having scraped out wins against inferior opponents is DIFFERENT! Those are just powerhouse programs having an off day. Boise is a lower-tier program not getting quite so lucky. CLEARLY Boise doesn't belong in any discussion about the national title, or how it's unfair that they won't get a chance at it.

This is a dumb argument. What Boise fans have been saying is:

1. They belong in a BCS game if they win out, not necessarily the NC game
2. It's crap that they're disqualified from ever winning the NC, but that's the system's fault.
3. The "schedule harder opponents" argument is retarded. Has been, always will be.

Yeah man, ten points is squeaking out a win, bro.

Indago: Maybe when Florida should have shut up after squeaking out a win against lowly Mississippi State by the same margin?

I'm going to give them a break on the SOS. Boise State has said that no top-25 team will agree to play them in the upcoming years. They're stuck in a bad cycle: they don't play anybody and nobody will play them. No one wants to play them because the current system rewards programs from major conferences for playing easy schedules and going undefeated.

Right now, Boise State has to hope that Iowa goes undefeated in the Big 10 and fails to get a national championship bid. Maybe then the Big 10 would receive enough backlash to throw its weight behind a playoff system. (In a perfect world, Iowa would be replaced with Michigan or Ohio State, but Iowa could still serve the purpose.) If Cincinnati and TCU win out as well, it will just be icing on the cake.

I heard that Boise State hired a PR firm to talk them up nationally. I honestly don't know what else they can do at this point.

/Texas Fan

Shamefully, you may be right. It might be best that Cincy, Iowa, Florida/Alabama, Texas, TCU and Boise all win out. That way, both the Big East and Big 10 are pissed, maybe the Pac10 would be as well. Maybe that will get some change... but I doubt it.

SeamusFerrell: bubbaprog: GAT_00: arkansas: Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.

I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.

Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.

I think Florida, Alabama, and Texas factor into the equation.

No, no they don't

Texas's rank is guaranteed to DROP if they win out, because of the weakness of their opponent in the conference championship.

Only 1 of Florida/Alabama can make it to the NC, because losing your NC, regardless of the opponent, penalizes your score automatically so you can't be in the NC.

Iowa controls their own destiny, technically speaking. Not that anyone believes they will actually pull it off.

Using BCS logic, Tampa Bay would have never been allowed into the 2008 playoffs:
A) They won too many close games
B) They weren't the Yankees or Red Soxs, therefore they were not worthy to be in the title game
C) College football is the only "sport" I've seen where you can get in trouble by winning.

/Iowa loses to OSU
/TCU gets screwed, destroys its non-title game BCS opponent (probably Bama if Florida gets its calls)
/Cincy blows it vs. Pitt (who will drop a game soon)
/Texas over SEC Champ

Indago: Maybe when Florida should have shut up after squeaking out a win against lowly Mississippi State by the same margin?



Right now, Boise State has to hope that Iowa goes undefeated in the Big 10 and fails to get a national championship bid. Maybe then the Big 10 would receive enough backlash to throw its weight behind a playoff system. (In a perfect world, Iowa would be replaced with Michigan or Ohio State, but Iowa could still serve the purpose.) If Cincinnati and TCU win out as well, it will just be icing on the cake.



/Texas Fan

Auburn went undefeated in 2004 and didn't get to go the BCS title game. If that didn't change the system, why will Iowa this year?

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I love how people automatically say that smaller schools such as Boise State shouldn't have an opportunity to play for a national championship. Instead of letting computers and polls decide the winner, the winner should be decided on the field. The NCAA needs to install an 8 or 16 team playoff or GTFO.

We can argue all day long about which undefeated team deserves a chance to play for the national title, but we really don't know since none of these schools have played each other. How many more years do deserving schools have to get screwed before the system changes?

120 teams in FBS. 10 conferences with 12 teams. Each conference gets a championship. Rank each champion. The bottom 4 have 1 extra game to play, so it gets it all down to an 8 team playoff. Go from there to decide NC.

I didn't come up with this, but read it in another thread (can't remember who, sorry). This seems logical, but then again it's probably the reason it won't happen.

halfwaytoheaven: Indago: Maybe when Florida should have shut up after squeaking out a win against lowly Mississippi State by the same margin?

Auburn went undefeated in 2004 and didn't get to go the BCS title game. If that didn't change the system, why will Iowa this year?

Apparently it was the Michigan Athletic Director who killed the original talk of a playoff system way back in the 1970s and both OSU and Michigan have campaigned against a playoff ever since.

You're right though. The current BCS contract is going to play out no matter what. Hopefully we'll get a playoff system next time around.

Lost Thought 00: SeamusFerrell: bubbaprog: GAT_00: arkansas: Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.

I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.

Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.

I think Florida, Alabama, and Texas factor into the equation.

No, no they don't

Texas's rank is guaranteed to DROP if they win out, because of the weakness of their opponent in the conference championship.

Only 1 of Florida/Alabama can make it to the NC, because losing your NC, regardless of the opponent, penalizes your score automatically so you can't be in the NC.

Iowa controls their own destiny, technically speaking. Not that anyone believes they will actually pull it off.

Iowa will not jump Texas if both win out.

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The Longhorns (.9227) jumped from third to second place, ahead of Alabama (.9166) and behind Florida (.9918). It's a cosmetic move. Texas was already in control of its destiny in the BCS championship race.

mjoven1975: I love how people automatically say that smaller schools such as Boise State shouldn't have an opportunity to play for a national championship. Instead of letting computers and polls decide the winner, the winner should be decided on the field. The NCAA needs to install an 8 or 16 team playoff or GTFO.

We can argue all day long about which undefeated team deserves a chance to play for the national title, but we really don't know since none of these schools have played each other. How many more years do deserving schools have to get screwed before the system changes?

I'd like to see a 24-team playoff, with the top eight receiving a first-round bye. They rank 25, so seeding is pretty much taken care of. That gives you 23 postseason games, which isn't too much lower than the current number of bowl games.

sensai: 120 teams in FBS. 10 conferences with 12 teams. Each conference gets a championship. Rank each champion. The bottom 4 have 1 extra game to play, so it gets it all down to an 8 team playoff. Go from there to decide NC.

I didn't come up with this, but read it in another thread (can't remember who, sorry). This seems logical, but then again it's probably the reason it won't happen.

I have said something very similar.

The major flaw with that type of system is how to seed teams in a playoff, but it can be done. It's done in basketball, where, yes, there are interconference matchups, but they're mostly against Mary's Sisters of the Poor. Sure, some major conference teams play each other, but just because the 2nd best team in the Big East beats what ends up beating the 11th best team in the ACC doesn't necessarily mean that the Big East is better than the ACC, for example. It's all subjective, and teams will whine about the seedings, but I'd say that you're in a much better position as a #8 seed in a national playoff than being in the Capital One Bowl.

Lost Thought 00: Texas's rank is guaranteed to DROP if they win out, because of the weakness of their opponent in the conference championship.


that's not true. do you follow college football?

KiwDaWabbit: sensai: 120 teams in FBS. 10 conferences with 12 teams. Each conference gets a championship. Rank each champion. The bottom 4 have 1 extra game to play, so it gets it all down to an 8 team playoff. Go from there to decide NC.

I didn't come up with this, but read it in another thread (can't remember who, sorry). This seems logical, but then again it's probably the reason it won't happen.

I have said something very similar.

The major flaw with that type of system is how to seed teams in a playoff, but it can be done. It's done in basketball, where, yes, there are interconference matchups, but they're mostly against Mary's Sisters of the Poor. Sure, some major conference teams play each other, but just because the 2nd best team in the Big East beats what ends up beating the 11th best team in the ACC doesn't necessarily mean that the Big East is better than the ACC, for example. It's all subjective, and teams will whine about the seedings, but I'd say that you're in a much better position as a #8 seed in a national playoff than being in the Capital One Bowl.

The other problem is forming these new conferences. If you think getting rid of the bowl system is an uphill fight, just try to convince the SEC and Big Ten to vote themselves out of existence so we can create these new, balanced conferences. And if you leave the conferences the way they are, whoever finishes second in the SEC is going to pretty pissed when the Sun Belt champion gets to play for the national title and they don't.

You wanna bust up the BCS? Pit Oregon against Iowa for the National Championship. Otherwise cry moar and keep watching the game in huge numbers. The BCS feeds off your addiction and your tears biatches.

I think the best thing for boise long term is to have 4 bcs conference teams go undefeated this year (texas, iowa, cincy, bama/uf). If that happens, there will be incentive for bcs teams to schedule tough non conference opponents, which will help boise in the future. No bcs school wants to be the one who gos undefeated and doesnt make the NC game.

Boise State is one of the most overrated teams of all time.

This is a schedule of a national champion? Bull. Maybe 30 teams could do better. They have won a single decent game. At home on opening day vs oregon, who would probably beat them in a rematch.

Thu, Sep 3 (16) Oregon W 19-8
Sat, Sep 12 Miami (OH) W 48-0
Fri, Sep 18 at Fresno State W 51-34
Sat, Sep 26 at Bowling Green W 49-14
Sat, Oct 3 California-Davis W 34-16
Wed, Oct 14 at Tulsa W 28-21
Sat, Oct 24 at Hawaii W 54-9
Sat, Oct 31 San Jose State W 45-7
Fri, Nov 6 at Louisiana Tech W 45-35
Sat, Nov 14 Idaho 3:30 pm
Fri, Nov 20 at Utah State 9:30 pm
Fri, Nov 27 Nevada TBA
Sat, Dec 5 New Mexico State 3:00 pm

aegean: This is a schedule of a national champion? Bull. Maybe 30 teams could do better. They have won a single decent game. At home on opening day vs oregon, who would probably beat them in a rematch.

Thu, Sep 3 (16) Oregon W 19-8
Sat, Sep 12 Miami (OH) W 48-0
Fri, Sep 18 at Fresno State W 51-34
Sat, Sep 26 at Bowling Green W 49-14
Sat, Oct 3 California-Davis W 34-16
Wed, Oct 14 at Tulsa W 28-21
Sat, Oct 24 at Hawaii W 54-9
Sat, Oct 31 San Jose State W 45-7
Fri, Nov 6 at Louisiana Tech W 45-35
Sat, Nov 14 Idaho 3:30 pm
Fri, Nov 20 at Utah State 9:30 pm
Fri, Nov 27 Nevada TBA
Sat, Dec 5 New Mexico State 3:00 pm

In a playoff system, they'd have an opportunity to prove that they can be champions. In the current system, they'll be cast off to a meaningless bowl game. How does that solve anything?

aegean: Boise State is one of the most overrated teams of all time.

I'm not going to argue that BSU is teh greatest ever. That being said, for being out in bumfark Idaho, what they've done is amazing. They've built a nationally recognizable team that consistently is in the conversation for the BCS, and the top 10. They've lost precisely 2 regular season games in 3 years, and have had 2 undefeated seasons in that span. They've had 3 undefeated seasons since 04. That's pretty nice. Even given their schedule, they deserve some props.

It's amazing to think: what would have happened if the WAC/MWC never split? Imagine a conference with Hawaii, BSU, TCU, BYU, Utah, Air Force and Fresno.

halfwaytoheaven: The other problem is forming these new conferences. If you think getting rid of the bowl system is an uphill fight, just try to convince the SEC and Big Ten to vote themselves out of existence so we can create these new, balanced conferences. And if you leave the conferences the way they are, whoever finishes second in the SEC is going to pretty pissed when the Sun Belt champion gets to play for the national title and they don't.

Boo hoo. Win your conference championship and then go for the playoffs to the NC. They weren't going to go to the NC anyway.

lacydog:

It's amazing to think: what would have happened if the WAC/MWC never split? Imagine a conference with Hawaii, BSU, TCU, BYU, Utah, Air Force and Fresno.

You'd also have a 20-team conference with the likes of New Mexico, New Mexico State, Whale's Vagina State, San Jose State, Utah State, SMU and Rice, and those teams you just mentioned wouldn't get to play each other very often (I'm assuming some teams wouldn't have left for C-USA if the MWC hadn't split off). Also, Hawaii hasn't been too hot since June Jones split, and with the travel hassles, nobody's too excited about being in a conference with them right now.

There's a fair chance (but certainly not a guarantee) that the MWC will invite Boise in the near future, so that may take care of that problem.

I don't think you could go full playoff in college football. College football is about rankings and arguing over which conference is better.

I propose an 8 team playoff. Champions of the 6 BCS conferences get in, unless ranked lower than 15 in the polls. The 2 at large bids go to the 2 highest ranked non-BCS teams in the top 10 or if there aren't any, then the 2 highest ranked teams that didn't get an automatic bid get in.

Then you take the rest of the bowl games and split them all into separate mini playoffs with somewhat the same format. Take the 2nd place team in each of the 6 BCS conferences and two at large teams and have them play. Do the same for the 3rd, 4th, and 5th placed teams.

You could have the championship tournament using the 4 BCS bowl games and then 4 more tournaments using the rest of the bowl games. Develop a point system for wins in the tournaments and provide a Best Conference award.

Drop the useless game that has been added to the regular season and there would be only one extra game to play for the championships of every tourmament.

No seeding of the tournaments. The bowls will pick which of the 8 teams they have to choose from play in their bowl, and rotate the picking order.

If Oregon and Boise St played again, Oregon would win by 3 touchdowns.

Boise State played fireplug with the Bulldogs.
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Go Demons, NSC back in the day Tech would beat us like a drum and on occasion no.

sensai: halfwaytoheaven: The other problem is forming these new conferences. If you think getting rid of the bowl system is an uphill fight, just try to convince the SEC and Big Ten to vote themselves out of existence so we can create these new, balanced conferences. And if you leave the conferences the way they are, whoever finishes second in the SEC is going to pretty pissed when the Sun Belt champion gets to play for the national title and they don't.

Boo hoo. Win your conference championship and then go for the playoffs to the NC. They weren't going to go to the NC anyway.

A few years ago, North Texas won the Sun Belt with a 5-6 record. Does that team really deserve to go to this exclusive playoff (with an admittedly very unlikely shot at the title) while a 12-1 SEC runner-up sits at home? I'm an advocate of the non-BCS schools (Go Frogs!) but even I won't take up that argument. The rankings work well enough that you can use them to select 16 or so playoff teams.

lacydog: Because Florida (Tenn & Ark), Alabama (Va Tech & Tenn), Iowa (Northern Iowa & Ark St.) and Texas (v Tex Tech and Oklahoma) having scraped out wins against inferior opponents is DIFFERENT! Those are just powerhouse programs having an off day. Boise is a lower-tier program not getting quite so lucky. CLEARLY Boise doesn't belong in any discussion about the national title, or how it's unfair that they won't get a chance at it.

This is a dumb argument. What Boise fans have been saying is:

1. They belong in a BCS game if they win out, not necessarily the NC game
2. It's crap that they're disqualified from ever winning the NC, but that's the system's fault.
3. The "schedule harder opponents" argument is retarded. Has been, always will be.

They almost lost to a team coached by their AD, they dont have a real football coach, its his second farking job.

If boise doesnt like it then go independent or get tcu, utah and a few other good programs to start their own conference or they can wait and lobby the pac 10 to get in when they eventually expand.

But with that schedule bsu never deserves even mentioning in a NC game, hell if tcu stays undefeated then they shouldnt even get a bcs game.

Oh and the pro argument is stupid, every one is pretty much even in their league, but boise gets the pac 10 cast offs and a few of the big 12 cast offs. Basically players that no one else wanted.

MIguy: If Oregon and Boise St played again, Oregon would win by 3 touchdowns.

Actually, Boise might win by 3 touchdowns. They killed Oregon up and down the field, it's just that all the breaks went Oregon's way to keep them alive. As an aside to this thread, Yahoo has picked up the story about how NO ONE will schedule Boise in 2011. It even has the Nebraska comment about how they need to play Nebraska's schedule, yet Nebraska would never schedule them.

Yes, Boise would lose this year in the title game; TCU is probably best underdog with a chance to win. I wonder though, if everyone lost at the top, would the pollsters rank TCU like 8th to prevent them from being in the top game? It isn't like the WAC/MWC can field a champion as BYU has done it, it's all about the money now. That's it, selling tickets and TV ads.

It also kills the WAC and MWC that they are far away from the east coast. If a non-BCS school ran the table with a huge BSC upset or two and they were East Coast (ala a miracle season from Temple if they had TCU's schedule); they would stand a chance.

MIguy: If Oregon and Boise St played again, Oregon would win by 3 touchdowns.

Yeah - then again, that was said about the Fiesta Bowl, too.

I don't know about them this year - I haven't watched any of their games. But they do deserve to drop despite the win if they played as poorly in their win as Iowa did in theirs.

halfwaytoheaven: sensai: halfwaytoheaven: The other problem is forming these new conferences. If you think getting rid of the bowl system is an uphill fight, just try to convince the SEC and Big Ten to vote themselves out of existence so we can create these new, balanced conferences. And if you leave the conferences the way they are, whoever finishes second in the SEC is going to pretty pissed when the Sun Belt champion gets to play for the national title and they don't.

Boo hoo. Win your conference championship and then go for the playoffs to the NC. They weren't going to go to the NC anyway.

A few years ago, North Texas won the Sun Belt with a 5-6 record. Does that team really deserve to go to this exclusive playoff (with an admittedly very unlikely shot at the title) while a 12-1 SEC runner-up sits at home? I'm an advocate of the non-BCS schools (Go Frogs!) but even I won't take up that argument. The rankings work well enough that you can use them to select 16 or so playoff teams.

Well, maybe what happens is that kids who would usually go to Alabama go to Troy instead given that they actually have a chance at a national title under a different system.

In a divison of 120 teams, less than 70 have a chance. Not simply an unrealistic chance, like the same chance that the Kansas City Royals have of making the World Series, but no actual chance. There's absolutely no thinkable reason to go to a school like that if you have the ability and academics to play elsewhere.

Given the strength of schedule that Florida plays, I can't see how you could justify them being in the NC game. The SEC plays a patsy OOC schedule and rarely travels for such games.

novschmozkapop: The SEC plays a patsy OOC schedule


yeah, their OOC schedule looks a lot like Boise's conference schedule.

halfwaytoheaven: A few years ago, North Texas won the Sun Belt with a 5-6 record. Does that team really deserve to go to this exclusive playoff (with an admittedly very unlikely shot at the title) while a 12-1 SEC runner-up sits at home? I'm an advocate of the non-BCS schools (Go Frogs!) but even I won't take up that argument. The rankings work well enough that you can use them to select 16 or so playoff teams.

How often does that happen? I don't really care about the 12-1 SEC runner-up because guess what, they had their chance to go to the big games (SEC is overrated anyway). Champions should play champions to decide the National Champion.

florida + refs beat arkansas by 3 at home but ya 10 point win on the road is way worse

TheManofPA: C) College football is the only "sport" I've seen where you can get in trouble by winning.

But it's tradition!!!

Anyway, Boise is trying to schedule big opponents, but no major school wants to play them. After all, a BCS team usually has enough challenging games in it's own conference, so why add another? It's doesn't really gain the team anything except the risk of a potential loss. There's a reason major schools schedule cupcakes for their OOC games.