Go go playoff system. If I wanted to watch someone win through voting, I would watch American Idol or figure skating (which I don't). Let champions be decided on 120 yards of field with 60 minutes on the clock.
GAT_00:arkansas: Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.
I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.
Pretty much. Even Hawkeye fans such as myself think that Iowa is not all that good, just super lucky. Ooo. I have this week's SI in which IA made the cover in my recycling. Even Ferentz agrees with this. Hold on, let me find it.
Thanks for waiting. Ferentz on the computer rankings:
"That's nice," says Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, "but if the computers had eyes and could see us play, trust me, they'd be saying, 'Are you kidding me?'"
And don't start up with that BS officiating on the side of Iowa crap. I am sick of that. You are just sore losers.
Maybe when Florida should have shut up after squeaking out a win against lowly Mississippi State by the same margin?
I'm going to give them a break on the SOS. Boise State has said that no top-25 team will agree to play them in the upcoming years. They're stuck in a bad cycle: they don't play anybody and nobody will play them. No one wants to play them because the current system rewards programs from major conferences for playing easy schedules and going undefeated.
Right now, Boise State has to hope that Iowa goes undefeated in the Big 10 and fails to get a national championship bid. Maybe then the Big 10 would receive enough backlash to throw its weight behind a playoff system. (In a perfect world, Iowa would be replaced with Michigan or Ohio State, but Iowa could still serve the purpose.) If Cincinnati and TCU win out as well, it will just be icing on the cake.
I heard that Boise State hired a PR firm to talk them up nationally. I honestly don't know what else they can do at this point.
I'm a huge football fan, but the BCS is the main reason why I cannot get into college football the same way I get into the NFL. Something about making the sport subjective just takes the fun out of it. Then I think of the way teams pad schedules out with easy games. The whole thing start to feel like politics. When they make a playoffs system, I will become a fan.
Teams have bad games. A system that demands a perfect season will just continue this scheduling nonsense when nobody will put up against Boise because they, GASP, might lose.
Because Florida (Tenn & Ark), Alabama (Va Tech & Tenn), Iowa (Northern Iowa & Ark St.) and Texas (v Tex Tech and Oklahoma) having scraped out wins against inferior opponents is DIFFERENT! Those are just powerhouse programs having an off day. Boise is a lower-tier program not getting quite so lucky. CLEARLY Boise doesn't belong in any discussion about the national title, or how it's unfair that they won't get a chance at it.
This is a dumb argument. What Boise fans have been saying is:
1. They belong in a BCS game if they win out, not necessarily the NC game 2. It's crap that they're disqualified from ever winning the NC, but that's the system's fault. 3. The "schedule harder opponents" argument is retarded. Has been, always will be.
Indago:Maybe when Florida should have shut up after squeaking out a win against lowly Mississippi State by the same margin?
I'm going to give them a break on the SOS. Boise State has said that no top-25 team will agree to play them in the upcoming years. They're stuck in a bad cycle: they don't play anybody and nobody will play them. No one wants to play them because the current system rewards programs from major conferences for playing easy schedules and going undefeated.
Right now, Boise State has to hope that Iowa goes undefeated in the Big 10 and fails to get a national championship bid. Maybe then the Big 10 would receive enough backlash to throw its weight behind a playoff system. (In a perfect world, Iowa would be replaced with Michigan or Ohio State, but Iowa could still serve the purpose.) If Cincinnati and TCU win out as well, it will just be icing on the cake.
I heard that Boise State hired a PR firm to talk them up nationally. I honestly don't know what else they can do at this point.
/Texas Fan
Shamefully, you may be right. It might be best that Cincy, Iowa, Florida/Alabama, Texas, TCU and Boise all win out. That way, both the Big East and Big 10 are pissed, maybe the Pac10 would be as well. Maybe that will get some change... but I doubt it.
SeamusFerrell:bubbaprog: GAT_00: arkansas: Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.
I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.
Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.
I think Florida, Alabama, and Texas factor into the equation.
No, no they don't
Texas's rank is guaranteed to DROP if they win out, because of the weakness of their opponent in the conference championship.
Only 1 of Florida/Alabama can make it to the NC, because losing your NC, regardless of the opponent, penalizes your score automatically so you can't be in the NC.
Iowa controls their own destiny, technically speaking. Not that anyone believes they will actually pull it off.
Using BCS logic, Tampa Bay would have never been allowed into the 2008 playoffs: A) They won too many close games B) They weren't the Yankees or Red Soxs, therefore they were not worthy to be in the title game C) College football is the only "sport" I've seen where you can get in trouble by winning.
/Iowa loses to OSU /TCU gets screwed, destroys its non-title game BCS opponent (probably Bama if Florida gets its calls) /Cincy blows it vs. Pitt (who will drop a game soon) /Texas over SEC Champ
Indago:Maybe when Florida should have shut up after squeaking out a win against lowly Mississippi State by the same margin?
Right now, Boise State has to hope that Iowa goes undefeated in the Big 10 and fails to get a national championship bid. Maybe then the Big 10 would receive enough backlash to throw its weight behind a playoff system. (In a perfect world, Iowa would be replaced with Michigan or Ohio State, but Iowa could still serve the purpose.) If Cincinnati and TCU win out as well, it will just be icing on the cake.
/Texas Fan
Auburn went undefeated in 2004 and didn't get to go the BCS title game. If that didn't change the system, why will Iowa this year?
I love how people automatically say that smaller schools such as Boise State shouldn't have an opportunity to play for a national championship. Instead of letting computers and polls decide the winner, the winner should be decided on the field. The NCAA needs to install an 8 or 16 team playoff or GTFO.
We can argue all day long about which undefeated team deserves a chance to play for the national title, but we really don't know since none of these schools have played each other. How many more years do deserving schools have to get screwed before the system changes?
120 teams in FBS. 10 conferences with 12 teams. Each conference gets a championship. Rank each champion. The bottom 4 have 1 extra game to play, so it gets it all down to an 8 team playoff. Go from there to decide NC.
I didn't come up with this, but read it in another thread (can't remember who, sorry). This seems logical, but then again it's probably the reason it won't happen.
halfwaytoheaven:Indago: Maybe when Florida should have shut up after squeaking out a win against lowly Mississippi State by the same margin?
Auburn went undefeated in 2004 and didn't get to go the BCS title game. If that didn't change the system, why will Iowa this year?
Apparently it was the Michigan Athletic Director who killed the original talk of a playoff system way back in the 1970s and both OSU and Michigan have campaigned against a playoff ever since.
You're right though. The current BCS contract is going to play out no matter what. Hopefully we'll get a playoff system next time around.
Lost Thought 00:SeamusFerrell: bubbaprog: GAT_00: arkansas: Iowa squeaked out a win against Arkansas State at home.
I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.
Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.
I think Florida, Alabama, and Texas factor into the equation.
No, no they don't
Texas's rank is guaranteed to DROP if they win out, because of the weakness of their opponent in the conference championship.
Only 1 of Florida/Alabama can make it to the NC, because losing your NC, regardless of the opponent, penalizes your score automatically so you can't be in the NC.
Iowa controls their own destiny, technically speaking. Not that anyone believes they will actually pull it off.
The Longhorns (.9227) jumped from third to second place, ahead of Alabama (.9166) and behind Florida (.9918). It's a cosmetic move. Texas was already in control of its destiny in the BCS championship race.
das
2009-11-07 10:10:29 AM
arkansas
2009-11-07 10:11:52 AM
GAT_00
2009-11-07 10:49:44 AM
I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.
Seriously, do you just spout stupid in every thread? I've never seen you post something that made sense or didn't have some major flaw in it.
halfwaytoheaven
2009-11-07 10:56:56 AM
sensai
2009-11-07 10:59:03 AM
bubbaprog
2009-11-07 10:59:17 AM
I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.
Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.
xfalconx2
2009-11-07 11:05:46 AM
Dawg47
2009-11-07 11:05:53 AM
I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.
Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.
No it won't
SeamusFerrell
2009-11-07 11:06:09 AM
I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.
Pretty much. Even Hawkeye fans such as myself think that Iowa is not all that good, just super lucky. Ooo. I have this week's SI in which IA made the cover in my recycling. Even Ferentz agrees with this. Hold on, let me find it.
Thanks for waiting. Ferentz on the computer rankings:
"That's nice," says Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, "but if the computers had eyes and could see us play, trust me, they'd be saying, 'Are you kidding me?'"
And don't start up with that BS officiating on the side of Iowa crap. I am sick of that. You are just sore losers.
SeamusFerrell
2009-11-07 11:07:42 AM
I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.
Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.
I think Florida, Alabama, and Texas factor into the equation.
Person Of Interest
2009-11-07 11:11:44 AM
Indago
2009-11-07 11:14:14 AM
I'm going to give them a break on the SOS. Boise State has said that no top-25 team will agree to play them in the upcoming years. They're stuck in a bad cycle: they don't play anybody and nobody will play them. No one wants to play them because the current system rewards programs from major conferences for playing easy schedules and going undefeated.
Right now, Boise State has to hope that Iowa goes undefeated in the Big 10 and fails to get a national championship bid. Maybe then the Big 10 would receive enough backlash to throw its weight behind a playoff system. (In a perfect world, Iowa would be replaced with Michigan or Ohio State, but Iowa could still serve the purpose.) If Cincinnati and TCU win out as well, it will just be icing on the cake.
I heard that Boise State hired a PR firm to talk them up nationally. I honestly don't know what else they can do at this point.
/Texas Fan
Chulainn
2009-11-07 11:15:21 AM
MrCab
2009-11-07 11:16:06 AM
Teams have bad games. A system that demands a perfect season will just continue this scheduling nonsense when nobody will put up against Boise because they, GASP, might lose.
lacydog
2009-11-07 11:17:19 AM
This is a dumb argument. What Boise fans have been saying is:
1. They belong in a BCS game if they win out, not necessarily the NC game
2. It's crap that they're disqualified from ever winning the NC, but that's the system's fault.
3. The "schedule harder opponents" argument is retarded. Has been, always will be.
save russian jews
2009-11-07 11:18:11 AM
lacydog
2009-11-07 11:19:54 AM
I'm going to give them a break on the SOS. Boise State has said that no top-25 team will agree to play them in the upcoming years. They're stuck in a bad cycle: they don't play anybody and nobody will play them. No one wants to play them because the current system rewards programs from major conferences for playing easy schedules and going undefeated.
Right now, Boise State has to hope that Iowa goes undefeated in the Big 10 and fails to get a national championship bid. Maybe then the Big 10 would receive enough backlash to throw its weight behind a playoff system. (In a perfect world, Iowa would be replaced with Michigan or Ohio State, but Iowa could still serve the purpose.) If Cincinnati and TCU win out as well, it will just be icing on the cake.
I heard that Boise State hired a PR firm to talk them up nationally. I honestly don't know what else they can do at this point.
/Texas Fan
Shamefully, you may be right. It might be best that Cincy, Iowa, Florida/Alabama, Texas, TCU and Boise all win out. That way, both the Big East and Big 10 are pissed, maybe the Pac10 would be as well. Maybe that will get some change... but I doubt it.
Lost Thought 00
2009-11-07 11:21:21 AM
I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.
Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.
I think Florida, Alabama, and Texas factor into the equation.
No, no they don't
Texas's rank is guaranteed to DROP if they win out, because of the weakness of their opponent in the conference championship.
Only 1 of Florida/Alabama can make it to the NC, because losing your NC, regardless of the opponent, penalizes your score automatically so you can't be in the NC.
Iowa controls their own destiny, technically speaking. Not that anyone believes they will actually pull it off.
TheManofPA
2009-11-07 11:24:22 AM
A) They won too many close games
B) They weren't the Yankees or Red Soxs, therefore they were not worthy to be in the title game
C) College football is the only "sport" I've seen where you can get in trouble by winning.
/Iowa loses to OSU
/TCU gets screwed, destroys its non-title game BCS opponent (probably Bama if Florida gets its calls)
/Cincy blows it vs. Pitt (who will drop a game soon)
/Texas over SEC Champ
halfwaytoheaven
2009-11-07 11:24:43 AM
Right now, Boise State has to hope that Iowa goes undefeated in the Big 10 and fails to get a national championship bid. Maybe then the Big 10 would receive enough backlash to throw its weight behind a playoff system. (In a perfect world, Iowa would be replaced with Michigan or Ohio State, but Iowa could still serve the purpose.) If Cincinnati and TCU win out as well, it will just be icing on the cake.
/Texas Fan
Auburn went undefeated in 2004 and didn't get to go the BCS title game. If that didn't change the system, why will Iowa this year?
halfwaytoheaven
2009-11-07 11:26:42 AM
mjoven1975
2009-11-07 11:28:27 AM
We can argue all day long about which undefeated team deserves a chance to play for the national title, but we really don't know since none of these schools have played each other. How many more years do deserving schools have to get screwed before the system changes?
sensai
2009-11-07 11:32:06 AM
I didn't come up with this, but read it in another thread (can't remember who, sorry). This seems logical, but then again it's probably the reason it won't happen.
Indago
2009-11-07 11:33:47 AM
Auburn went undefeated in 2004 and didn't get to go the BCS title game. If that didn't change the system, why will Iowa this year?
Apparently it was the Michigan Athletic Director who killed the original talk of a playoff system way back in the 1970s and both OSU and Michigan have campaigned against a playoff ever since.
You're right though. The current BCS contract is going to play out no matter what. Hopefully we'll get a playoff system next time around.
MisterLoki
2009-11-07 11:38:23 AM
I don't think anyone is saying Iowa deserves a chance in the national title game, unlike Boise fans.
Nobody needs to be saying that, because the system will automatically put them there if they win out.
I think Florida, Alabama, and Texas factor into the equation.
No, no they don't
Texas's rank is guaranteed to DROP if they win out, because of the weakness of their opponent in the conference championship.
Only 1 of Florida/Alabama can make it to the NC, because losing your NC, regardless of the opponent, penalizes your score automatically so you can't be in the NC.
Iowa controls their own destiny, technically speaking. Not that anyone believes they will actually pull it off.
Iowa will not jump Texas if both win out.
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The Longhorns (.9227) jumped from third to second place, ahead of Alabama (.9166) and behind Florida (.9918). It's a cosmetic move. Texas was already in control of its destiny in the BCS championship race.