I'm not entirely comfortable talking about "taking a sack".

I'd rather have Vince Young on my roster than Matt Cassell. Vince may not have the stats, but he knows how to win. Matt would make a great backup QB, but he isn't starter material.

Are these the same mouthguards which the MNF guys were jizzing their jeans over the other night? "Gives you more POWER, better RANGE OF MOTION, makes you last longer IN BED...!"

/sorry, that last one was made up

So he's the opposite of Ben Roethlisberger. He is willing to take a sack over throwing an interception... which is preferable.

markyp09: Are these the same mouthguards which the MNF guys were jizzing their jeans over the other night? "Gives you more POWER, better RANGE OF MOTION, makes you last longer IN BED...!"

/sorry, that last one was made up

Yeah, that was very dumb. They spent about 10 minutes discussing those damn mouthguards.

Treygreen13: So he's the opposite of Ben Roethlisberger. He is willing to take a sack over throwing an interception... which is preferable.

No. He's just contractually obligated to pump-fake 12 times before he is allowed to throw. Sometimes there's just not enough time.

To think I rode this guy and Tyler farking Thigpen to my fantasy league championship last year after I lost Brady in week 1.

markyp09: Treygreen13: So he's the opposite of Ben Roethlisberger. He is willing to take a sack over throwing an interception... which is preferable.

No. He's just contractually obligated to pump-fake 12 times before he is allowed to throw. Sometimes there's just not enough time.

OH GOD THE PUMP FAKES DID YOU SEE THE PUMP FAKES ROETHLISBERGER IS SO GOOD AT PUMP FAKES AAAAAH PUMP FAKES THAT PUMP FAKE THAT GOT THE SAFETY TO BITE AS ROETHLISBERGER WAS TACKLED BY 4 GUYS PUMP FAKES PUMP FAKES DREW BREES

Treygreen13: So he's the opposite of Ben Roethlisberger. He is willing to take a sack over throwing an interception... which is preferable.

Interestingly enough, Big Ben has more ints than does Cassel.

Which is surprising when you consider that:
1. Pittsburgh is a decent team
2. KC RARELY has a lead in a game (and so Cassel NEEDS to throw more than Big Ben)
3. LJ could trip over the line of scrimmage and have the same rushing average as he does while "trying" (so teams know that the Chiefs will be passing)

taylonr: Treygreen13: So he's the opposite of Ben Roethlisberger. He is willing to take a sack over throwing an interception... which is preferable.

Interestingly enough, Big Ben has more ints than does Cassel.

Which is surprising when you consider that:
1. Pittsburgh is a decent team
2. KC RARELY has a lead in a game (and so Cassel NEEDS to throw more than Big Ben)
3. LJ could trip over the line of scrimmage and have the same rushing average as he does while "trying" (so teams know that the Chiefs will be passing)

That is surprising. Every game I've ever seen Big Ben play, he taxes his offensive line to the limit, and he's just so big that he can get away with it quite a bit.

Of course, Big Ben also has 4 more wins this season.

Treygreen13: markyp09: Treygreen13: So he's the opposite of Ben Roethlisberger. He is willing to take a sack over throwing an interception... which is preferable.

No. He's just contractually obligated to pump-fake 12 times before he is allowed to throw. Sometimes there's just not enough time.

OH GOD THE PUMP FAKES DID YOU SEE THE PUMP FAKES ROETHLISBERGER IS SO GOOD AT PUMP FAKES AAAAAH PUMP FAKES THAT PUMP FAKE THAT GOT THE SAFETY TO BITE AS ROETHLISBERGER WAS TACKLED BY 4 GUYS PUMP FAKES PUMP FAKES DREW BREES

I wish he'd teach Cassel how to pump fake. Then he wouldn't have to constantly throw to covered receivers.

Of course, Cassel barely has time to take the snap, much less pump fake.

Can you think of a better incentive to give his offensive line so they give him better protection?

So Cassel is simply employing the strategy that's kept Brent Farve's streak alive.

taylonr: Treygreen13: markyp09: Treygreen13: So he's the opposite of Ben Roethlisberger. He is willing to take a sack over throwing an interception... which is preferable.

No. He's just contractually obligated to pump-fake 12 times before he is allowed to throw. Sometimes there's just not enough time.

OH GOD THE PUMP FAKES DID YOU SEE THE PUMP FAKES ROETHLISBERGER IS SO GOOD AT PUMP FAKES AAAAAH PUMP FAKES THAT PUMP FAKE THAT GOT THE SAFETY TO BITE AS ROETHLISBERGER WAS TACKLED BY 4 GUYS PUMP FAKES PUMP FAKES DREW BREES

I wish he'd teach Cassel how to pump fake. Then he wouldn't have to constantly throw to covered receivers.

Of course, Cassel barely has time to take the snap, much less pump fake.

I don't think any of the Chiefs receivers would know what to do if the QB pump-faked.

Roethlisberger's receivers (and the guys who are covering them) know there are at least 2 pump fakes coming, but sometimes Roethlisberger will make it an even dozen, and sometimes he stops at 6. Some of the routes Ben's receivers run look like they are buffering through Real Player after all the pump fakes.

Treygreen13: taylonr: Treygreen13: So he's the opposite of Ben Roethlisberger. He is willing to take a sack over throwing an interception... which is preferable.

Interestingly enough, Big Ben has more ints than does Cassel.

Which is surprising when you consider that:
1. Pittsburgh is a decent team
2. KC RARELY has a lead in a game (and so Cassel NEEDS to throw more than Big Ben)
3. LJ could trip over the line of scrimmage and have the same rushing average as he does while "trying" (so teams know that the Chiefs will be passing)

That is surprising. Every game I've ever seen Big Ben play, he taxes his offensive line to the limit, and he's just so big that he can get away with it quite a bit.

Of course, Big Ben also has 4 more wins this season.

Big Ben really isn't that good but his team keeps winning so everybody thinks he is. He throws a ton of picks and takes a ton of sacks. He can do this though because he has a great defense to bail him out. When he throws picks it's usually deep so he basically did the same thing as a punt. It's ok though because the defense is going to get him the ball back anyway. If that defense ever falls apart Big Ben will be blamed for the Steelers demise even if he plays at the same level he always has.

Jason Campbell employs a similar strategy. When he sees pressure coming he drops the ball, then pretends he doesn't know where it went so nobody expects him to recover it.

czetie: Jason Campbell employs a similar strategy. When he sees pressure coming he drops the ball, then pretends he doesn't know where it went so nobody expects him to recover it.

At least Campbell pretends to look for it. McNabb literally points at it and orders his Center to fall on it.

I guess you're right subby, that must be why Cassel leads the league in interceptions. Oh wait, he's tied for 18th and playing behind one of the worst O-lines in the league.

/I am happy to see that Spike Lee's Favorite Farker has been ignored so far

Bizarro Ninja: I guess you're right subby, that must be why Cassel leads the league in interceptions. Oh wait, he's tied for 18th and playing behind one of the worst O-lines in the league.

/I am happy to see that Spike Lee's Favorite Farker has been ignored so far

He's in the thread? Oh, right, up there. I just gloss over his posts.

Roethlisberger doesn't throw that many picks...I've seen him throw a couple that are just big shots down the field with seconds left in the half or something like that. Or some sort of freak bounce.



Almost all QB's can't be blamed for at least half their picks....except Jamarcus Russel.....He does it all by himself.

Treygreen13: Bizarro Ninja: I guess you're right subby, that must be why Cassel leads the league in interceptions. Oh wait, he's tied for 18th and playing behind one of the worst O-lines in the league.

/I am happy to see that Spike Lee's Favorite Farker has been ignored so far

He's in the thread? Oh, right, up there. I just gloss over his posts.

Because we all know that the only quarterbacks who are as bad as Vince Young are JaMarcus Russell, Josh Johnson, David Garrard, Byron Leftwich and Seneca Wallace. These bums get to start while traditional quarterbacks like Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart and Kevin Kolb have to fight for playing time. It's a shame.

spacechicken170am:
Big Ben really isn't that good but his team keeps winning so everybody thinks he is. He throws a ton of picks and takes a ton of sacks. He can do this though because he has a great defense to bail him out. When he throws picks it's usually deep so he basically did the same thing as a punt. It's ok though because the defense is going to get him the ball back anyway. If that defense ever falls apart Big Ben will be blamed for the Steelers demise even if he plays at the same level he always has.

He's the 6th rated passer, 3rd in yards, 2nd in completion percent, 1st in yards per attempt, and currently in the middle of the pack at 15th in interceptions. Yep, he's not good at all.

Please remove your antiquated notions and watch a Steelers game or two before commenting.

Fuuny thing to think about...twice in this decade, K.C. has picked up the backup QB from the super-prolific offensive team from the past 2 years (Cassel from Pats, Trent Green from the Rams). At the midway point of each season, both have/had roughly the same completion rate, same number of TDs...however, Trent had a lot more INTs. It's also worth mentioning that, while Mr. Green had more picks, he also had about +800 yards at this point of his freshman year.

Frankly, I think that says a lot about the quality of our O-line -- the QBs can put up similar numbers, but one of them had enough time to go deep once in a while. Dump passes for 3-4 yards is no way to win football games, son.

As a long suffering Chefs fan, brilliant headline subby. +1

This whole thing says way more about Cassel's line, or lack thereof, and OC playcalling than it does about Matt Cassel. At least, given last year, that's what I'm led to believe.

All this talk about interceptions and no mention of Jake Delhomme. What the fark is fark coming to.

/Delhomme fan.

YonderScott: All this talk about interceptions and no mention of Jake Delhomme. What the fark is fark coming to.

/Delhomme fan.

How could you not be a fan?

what did everyone think was going to happen when Cassel went to KC? That he would light it up and turn that team around? it's the chiefs, they are farkin terrible. he played with a great Pats team last year and plays for a God awful one now, a blind monkey could have seen this coming

natural316: what did everyone think was going to happen when Cassel went to KC? That he would light it up and turn that team around? it's the chiefs, they are farkin terrible. he played with a great Pats team last year and plays for a God awful one now, a blind monkey could have seen this coming

Besides the Chiefs lines problems, they need to get rid of Larry Johnson. Guy has been overrated from day one and is nothing but an overpaid nuisance who consistently underperforms the last couple of years.

But as a Raiders fan, I hope they start him until 2016.

InferiousX: natural316: what did everyone think was going to happen when Cassel went to KC? That he would light it up and turn that team around? it's the chiefs, they are farkin terrible. he played with a great Pats team last year and plays for a God awful one now, a blind monkey could have seen this coming

Besides the Chiefs lines problems, they need to get rid of Larry Johnson. Guy has been overrated from day one and is nothing but an overpaid nuisance who consistently underperforms the last couple of years.

But as a Raiders fan, I hope they start him until 2016.

LJ only sucks this bad because the Chiefs have no line. This is the same reason Cassel sucks right now as well. This ain't rocket science. I don't think Tom Brady and Adrian Peterson could do well with this team.

TheJoe03: LJ only sucks this bad because the Chiefs have no line. This is the same reason Cassel sucks right now as well. This ain't rocket science. I don't think Tom Brady and Adrian Peterson could do well with this team.

And the fact that Hermroid ran him into the ground.

Cassel has no O-line, and awful receivers. That doesn't even begin to touch upon the mess is there running back. His D isn't going make winning games any easier for him. I don't think any QB would be able to turn that team around. This is year 1 of a major rebuilding project.

eazye1334: spacechicken170am:
Big Ben really isn't that good but his team keeps winning so everybody thinks he is. He throws a ton of picks and takes a ton of sacks. He can do this though because he has a great defense to bail him out. When he throws picks it's usually deep so he basically did the same thing as a punt. It's ok though because the defense is going to get him the ball back anyway. If that defense ever falls apart Big Ben will be blamed for the Steelers demise even if he plays at the same level he always has.

He's the 6th rated passer, 3rd in yards, 2nd in completion percent, 1st in yards per attempt, and currently in the middle of the pack at 15th in interceptions. Yep, he's not good at all.

Please remove your antiquated notions and watch a Steelers game or two before commenting.

I watch them all. He throws deep a lot and most of his stats were padded against Cle, Det, SD, and Tenn. He sucked against Chicago and Minnesota. He was ok against Cincy.

Cassel was only good because the Patriots found out new ways to cheat. It doesn't matter who you put in there at QB, because they are getting the defensive play calls from their sideline. All the Patriots fans that said "You can do the things they did easily without video-taping, so it isn't that big of a deal!!!" are eerily silent on this one.

Aaron Rodgers has no line and he seems to be doing ok. Explain that.

homarjr: Aaron Rodgers has no line and he seems to be doing ok. Explain that.

I'd say the obvious reason would be the receivers in Green Bay being much, much better than the kids in KC. Beyond that, I don't know...

Treygreen13: I don't think any of the Chiefs receivers would know what to do if the QB pump-faked.

I'd imagine they'd look like a dog after you fake throwing a ball for them. They'd run to where the ball would have gone, then stop and look back at Cassel with their heads slightly turned.

spacechicken170am: eazye1334: spacechicken170am:
Big Ben really isn't that good but his team keeps winning so everybody thinks he is. He throws a ton of picks and takes a ton of sacks. He can do this though because he has a great defense to bail him out. When he throws picks it's usually deep so he basically did the same thing as a punt. It's ok though because the defense is going to get him the ball back anyway. If that defense ever falls apart Big Ben will be blamed for the Steelers demise even if he plays at the same level he always has.

He's the 6th rated passer, 3rd in yards, 2nd in completion percent, 1st in yards per attempt, and currently in the middle of the pack at 15th in interceptions. Yep, he's not good at all.

Please remove your antiquated notions and watch a Steelers game or two before commenting.

I watch them all. He throws deep a lot and most of his stats were padded against Cle, Det, SD, and Tenn. He sucked against Chicago and Minnesota. He was ok against Cincy.

23/35 for 221, a TD and an INT is sucking? It's not amazing, but it should've gotten the job done, had Reed made 1 of 2 or the defense decided to stop someone. And throwing deep suddenly is the mark of a bad quarterback?

I'm not saying he's the top by any means, and he still makes mistakes that make me scratch my head. But considering their list of starters after Bradshaw (Stoudt, Malone, Woodley, Brister, O'Donnell, Tomzczak, Miller, Kordell, Graham, and Maddox), I'm pretty sure I'll take him and be quite happy doing so.

nicksteel: Can you think of a better incentive to give his offensive line so they give him better protection?

You can offer to trade them to a better team if they do it.

TheJoe03: InferiousX: natural316: what did everyone think was going to happen when Cassel went to KC? That he would light it up and turn that team around? it's the chiefs, they are farkin terrible. he played with a great Pats team last year and plays for a God awful one now, a blind monkey could have seen this coming

Besides the Chiefs lines problems, they need to get rid of Larry Johnson. Guy has been overrated from day one and is nothing but an overpaid nuisance who consistently underperforms the last couple of years.

But as a Raiders fan, I hope they start him until 2016.

LJ only sucks this bad because the Chiefs have no line. This is the same reason Cassel sucks right now as well. This ain't rocket science. I don't think Tom Brady and Adrian Peterson could do well with this team.

QFT. I've been saying this for a couple years now. If Lord Peterson had bothered to reconstruct his aging O-Line a few years back when it started to head towards the retirement home, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

homarjr: Aaron Rodgers has no line and he seems to be doing ok. Explain that.

I've seen the Packers play. They have an inconsistent O-Line, but they have one nonetheless. Watch a Chiefs game (if you can bear it) and you'll see what no O-line looks like. If Cassel has any more than 2 seconds to throw the ball it's because he's ditched the pocket and is running towards the sidelines.

tommyl66: I'd imagine they'd look like a dog after you fake throwing a ball for them. They'd run to where the ball would have gone, then stop and look back at Cassel with their heads slightly turned.

Dwayne Bowe would mime dropping the pass.

looks like this Dr. should patent his device and get it spread to any sport using mouth guards...

Anyone who has watched at least a few plays of a Chiefs game this year would know it's the o-line and not cassel. I've never seen a qb rushed so fast on *every* down.