I'm not a huge fan of Verizon Wireless. I like the underlying technology (CDMA) but I'm not wild about the company itself. That said, AT&T deserves a severe beating for filing such a ridiculous suit. They are, by every definition, throwing a huge temper tantrum over the massive flak they've been taking in the media lately, both for their crappy network performance and for blaming said performance on their customers.

Die, AT&T. Die.

AT&T does not want people to notice the limitations on its 3G coverage, suggesting somehow, that any wireless data coverage it offers is good enough. If it were really good enough, people would not have upgraded to the iPhone to the 3GS, as I did.

Yeah, they're gonna have a hard time with this one. "Our 3G coverage is fun, but it's completely unnecessary! People are THRILLED with 140k EDGE coverage! Ha Ha!"

The commercial in question, which seems pretty obvious that they're talking about 3G.

AT&T has a long history of bullying customers and competitors, all the while they are charging exorbitant amounts for local "last mile" connections. Their arrogance is amazing. This is gonna bit them in the ass and I can't wait.

/getting rid of all my PRIs

Verizon has got to love the fact that AT&T is helping advertise that their 3G network is smaller.

R.A.Danny: Their arrogance is amazing. This is gonna bit them in the ass and I can't wait.

Dead-on. Fortunately, we have a relatively high amount of competition compared to even 15 years ago. Where you used to have one company for your home phone and two for cellular, you now have at least one for home, dozens (hundreds?) of VOIP providers, and at least a dozen cellular providers covering every market (four national carriers plus many MVNOs like Tracfone and StraightTalk). I'd like to see even more competition, but the point is that AT&T doesn't have the world by the throat like they used to.

Oh good, Verizon is calling them on their bullshiat. Should be a fun lawsuit.

Frankly both sides lawyers are just happy to be billing all these hours. At this corporate level very little logic is ever evident.

"The only G's I care about are the G's on AT&T's cheques, biatches."

EvilEgg: Verizon has got to love the fact that AT&T is helping advertise that their 3G network is smaller.

No publicity is bad publicity.

EvilEgg: Verizon has got to love the fact that AT&T is helping advertise that their 3G network is smaller.

Seriously, especially with the DROID being released today. I'm on VZW for the network and I'm hoping they haven't ruined Android with their typical bullying.

Gig103: Seriously, especially with the DROID being released today. I'm on VZW for the network and I'm hoping they haven't ruined Android with their typical bullying.

They haven't ruined Android (it'd be tough because users could just install a different ROM). What they've done is add exorbitant fees and data usage restrictions. Article here. (new window)

Wow. Smooth AT&T, real smooth.

hazeleyedwolff: They haven't ruined Android (it'd be tough because users could just install a different ROM). What they've done is add exorbitant fees and data usage restrictions. Article here. (new window)

Really, I don't see how that's "exorbitant". $30 for unlimited data? That's par for the course. And as for tethering, I've seen prices ranging from $15 (source, source, source) to $30. That is by no means "exorbitant". And in fact, even if tethering costs the full $30, then I'll still pay $30 as it's cheaper than a full data card at $60.

The same holds true with the data transfer restrictions; EVERY carrier has a 5gb limit. The difference is that this limit is generally not enforced on smartphone rate plans.

floor9: The same holds true with the data transfer restrictions; EVERY carrier has a 5gb limit. The difference is that this limit is generally not enforced on smartphone rate plans.

I've had an "Unlimited" Verizon data plan for years now and use my Motorola Q very frequently, for everything from web browsing to getting route and traffic info through Google Maps. I've never hit any cap.

/also just ordered a Droid *glee*

floor9: Die, AT&T. Die.

I have that tattooed on my chest, but it's actually German for "the AT&T, the."

The maps that Verizon is showing on television are, in fact, inaccurate. Either that, or my AT&T 3G phone gets surprisingly good 3G signal for being smack dab in the middle of an area that has (according to Verizon) no 3G coverage.

cmcnabb314: The maps that Verizon is showing on television are, in fact, inaccurate.

They look shockingly similar to AT&T's 3G coverage maps.

cmcnabb314: my AT&T 3G phone

Sweet anecdote, brah.

cmcnabb314: The maps that Verizon is showing on television are, in fact, inaccurate. Either that, or my AT&T 3G phone gets surprisingly good 3G signal for being smack dab in the middle of an area that has (according to Verizon) no 3G coverage.

You mean the AT&T maps that Verizon used for their commercial.

Look for dark blue. It matches Verizon's image (new window)

floor9: hazeleyedwolff: They haven't ruined Android (it'd be tough because users could just install a different ROM). What they've done is add exorbitant fees and data usage restrictions. Article here. (new window)

Really, I don't see how that's "exorbitant". $30 for unlimited data? That's par for the course. And as for tethering, I've seen prices ranging from $15 (source, source, source) to $30. That is by no means "exorbitant". And in fact, even if tethering costs the full $30, then I'll still pay $30 as it's cheaper than a full data card at $60.

The same holds true with the data transfer restrictions; EVERY carrier has a 5gb limit. The difference is that this limit is generally not enforced on smartphone rate plans.

I pay 30 for unlimited data with ATT on my windows mobile device. I tether it for free legally even via bluetooth (att no longer offers it as a separate package-it's included in the unlimited data plan. I don't pay extra for MS Exchange traffic (which costs them no more overhead than regular data traffic). I've often exceeded 5GB a month. I haven't had my early termination fee double because I'm using a smartphone.

Oh, an unenforced limit is not a limit. Verizon (when I was with them), was terminating peoples' contracts that exceeded 5GB.

PC LOAD LETTER: Look for dark blue. It matches Verizon's image (new window)

Except that that is voice + EDGE + 3G coverage. AT&T's 3G-only coverage is pathetic compared to Verizon's 3G-only coverage. And that's what the commercial -- plain as day -- said. Heck, even SPRINT'S 3G coverage obliterates AT&T's 3G coverage, and that's just sad.

cmcnabb314: The maps that Verizon is showing on television are, in fact, inaccurate. Either that, or my AT&T 3G phone gets surprisingly good 3G signal for being smack dab in the middle of an area that has (according to Verizon) no 3G coverage.

Here's AT&T's official 3G coverage map:


If you'd prefer it as a list, follow this link^ and you'll see that, in Virginia, they cover Alexandria, Arlington, Newport News, Norfolk, and Richmond.

Now, you're in Blacksburg, so either you're most likely picking up coverage from Greensboro, Charleston and Richmond or you're exaggerating the quality of your 3G coverage or you're mistaken.

But AT&T's maps and coverage claims are what Verizon is using and that state Blacksburg isn't covered. If AT&T doesn't like it, perhaps they should update their maps and lists.

Yes! A Verizon thread! Sweet!

/has AT&T
//switching to Verizon for either the Droid or the BB Tour, depending on what I read in the Droid reviews

FishyFred: depending on what I read in the Droid reviews

Got my Droid today, changed from the Samsung i760. I am in absolute awe over how much better this phone is. Even with MS Exchange syncing. It totally rocks.