Who the fark cares? Do you gotta be a vegetarian to be an environmentalist? Subby is an idiot for actually siding with PETA.

TheJoe03: Who the fark cares? Do you gotta be a vegetarian to be an environmentalist? Subby is an idiot for actually siding with PETA.

This.

My approach to carnivory is that the cows are attacking and eating valuable plants. Plants which could be providing us with oxygen!
So I will keep eating cows until they are no longer a threat.
Ditto the other herbivores (rabbits, deer, chicken).

/pigs I kill just for bacon, its not personal

I'm very much an environmentalist, I support 80% CO2 cuts by 2050, and you can take my cow, pig and chicken from my cold dead hands.

/though chicken is the friendliest of those

GAT_00: I'm very much an environmentalist, I support 80% CO2 cuts by 2050, and you can take my cow, pig and chicken from my cold dead hands.

/though chicken is the friendliest of those

It's not about cutting out meat--it's just about eating less of it. Do you really need to get your Chinese food with beef? Why not get the tofu instead? Do you need a 15 oz. steak? Why not the 8 oz. one? In short: do you have to have meat with every meal?

In the words of Michael Pollen, "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."

If subby is not a vegan, then he/she should DIAF. If he/she is a vegan, likewise.

I just thank God every day that someone has the time and energy to keep track of every move Al Gore makes. It's one of the reasons I can sleep well at night.

oldebayer: If subby is not a vegan, then he/she should DIAF. If he/she is a vegan, likewise.

I don't care if people are vegan--there are several vegan bakeries and a vegan cafe in my neighborhood that make some damn tasty food. It's when people get preachy about it that I want to stab them in the face with a steak knife.

Ditto goes for "YEAH MEAT ALL THE TIME RIBS BURGERS BBQ YEAH REAL MANLY STUFF!" sort of people. Their face will see the business end of a carrot.

Biokatt: My approach to carnivory is that the cows are attacking and eating valuable plants. Plants which could be providing us with oxygen!
So I will keep eating cows until they are no longer a threat.
Ditto the other herbivores (rabbits, deer, chicken).

/pigs I kill just for bacon, its not personal

Correct. We reduce methane production by eating these farting, but tasty, animals.

Oh for f*ck sake. The point is for all of us to try to do more to be green for the betterment of the future, not for one goddamn figurehead to be 100% green before the rest of us are forced to follow suit. Morans.

While there's not a lot of studies out on it, there is a huge environmental impact in being a vegetarian. Namely, all that soy needs to grow on a LOT of land, land that, should all Americans somehow become vegans/vegetarians, would run out very quickly. We'd have to chop down more forests, irrigate more land, using up more of our water supply.
Whereas meat/egg/milk producing animals don't use up much land, and when fed well (not with crap) do not have that huge of an impact carbon-wise compared to a vegetarian diet.

Dalar: While there's not a lot of studies out on it, there is a huge environmental impact in being a vegetarian. Namely, all that soy needs to grow on a LOT of land, land that, should all Americans somehow become vegans/vegetarians, would run out very quickly. We'd have to chop down more forests, irrigate more land, using up more of our water supply.
Whereas meat/egg/milk producing animals don't use up much land, and when fed well (not with crap) do not have that huge of an impact carbon-wise compared to a vegetarian diet.

Aside from the massive amounts of food and water they require, plus the waste, plus when they're crammed together so they don't need much land there are serious health issues that require massive amounts of antibiotics.

Other than those, yeah, eating a lot of meat is totally environmentally sound.

Mordant: I just thank God every day that someone has the time and energy to keep track of every move Al Gore makes.

Me too. (new window)

Algore is a powerless fool that no Real American takes seriously. That's why NRO has an entire web site devoted to him that they update every time he takes a dump.

Dalar: Namely, all that soy needs to grow on a LOT of land, land that, should all Americans somehow become vegans/vegetarians, would run out very quickly. We'd have to chop down more forests, irrigate more land, using up more of our water supply.

Also, you're thinking of biodiesel, not eating vegetables. Why would the entire country all of a sudden be eating soy products exclusively?

Anyone else notice the author of this crap ass submission? Yep, Glenn Beck.

The most consistent in action environmentalists are hunters, and they'll happily put a cap in your ass if you tell them to become vegetarian to help the environment.

/needs to find a new venison jerky connection

ElQue: Anyone else notice the author of this crap ass submission? Yep, Glenn Beck.

I noticed and ignored, because the whole "Al Gore isn't doing everything perfectly therefore everything he's saying is false" bullshiat is getting old.

Hender: ElQue: Anyone else notice the author of this crap ass submission? Yep, Glenn Beck.

I noticed and ignored, because the whole "Al Gore isn't doing everything perfectly therefore everything he's saying is false" bullshiat is getting old.

It's been old for a while. The right uses "Algore" as an insult, for fark's sake. They don't have an actual refutation to any of his points, so he's a bogeyman.

Too bad you only get one appendix.

Hender: Do you need a 15 oz. steak?

If you have to ask this question then you're a red-loving Communist. Of course I need a 15 oz steak. As an appetizer to get me ready for my 32 oz steak. Rare, thank you.

Doooom: Hender: Do you need a 15 oz. steak?

If you have to ask this question then you're a red-loving Communist. Of course I need a 15 oz steak. As an appetizer to get me ready for my 32 oz steak. Rare, thank you.

I figure a pinko would like their steak rare.

Hender: It's not about cutting out meat--it's just about eating less of it. Do you really need to get your Chinese food with beef? Why not get the tofu instead? Do you need a 15 oz. steak? Why not the 8 oz. one? In short: do you have to have meat with every meal?

In the words of Michael Pollen, "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."

Y'know, it always fascinates me how people can claim that everyone is the absolute exact same, metabolically.

I've tried low-protein diets, and low-carb diets, and I do best, both health-wise and weight-wise, if my diet is about 40-50% meat protein, with the rest being low-carb greens and other veggies. Tracked this with my doctor, so I could have some actual data beyond "I feel pretty good on this".

Meat is delicious and healthy. Anyone telling you otherwise probably has an ulterior motive, like a book to sell or a pseudo-religious belief system they want to proselytize.

Hender: GAT_00: I'm very much an environmentalist, I support 80% CO2 cuts by 2050, and you can take my cow, pig and chicken from my cold dead hands.

/though chicken is the friendliest of those

It's not about cutting out meat--it's just about eating less of it. Do you really need to get your Chinese food with beef? Why not get the tofu instead? Do you need a 15 oz. steak? Why not the 8 oz. one? In short: do you have to have meat with every meal?

In the words of Michael Pollen, "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."

Huh, I hadn't heard the definition of omnivore that states they eat more plant matter than animal.

Thorak: Hender: It's not about cutting out meat--it's just about eating less of it. Do you really need to get your Chinese food with beef? Why not get the tofu instead? Do you need a 15 oz. steak? Why not the 8 oz. one? In short: do you have to have meat with every meal?

In the words of Michael Pollen, "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."

Y'know, it always fascinates me how people can claim that everyone is the absolute exact same, metabolically.

I've tried low-protein diets, and low-carb diets, and I do best, both health-wise and weight-wise, if my diet is about 40-50% meat protein, with the rest being low-carb greens and other veggies. Tracked this with my doctor, so I could have some actual data beyond "I feel pretty good on this".

Meat is delicious and healthy. Anyone telling you otherwise probably has an ulterior motive, like a book to sell or a pseudo-religious belief system they want to proselytize.

Anyone who tries to tell you that there's a 100% substitute for meat is either lying or wants to sell you something. You can have a completely animal-free diet, but not only are you going against millions of years of evolution but you're going to likely be taking vitamin supplements, too. If you do it for moral purposes, more power to you. I know people who commit to that, but it's not the life for me.

Meat is something humans eat and have likely eaten since man could control fire. People like Pollen mostly recommend eating less meat, not no meat at all. From a culinary standpoint, yes, meat is delicious. I enjoy many different types of meat, and having a mostly vegetarian significant other has cramped my previous lifestyle. It's forced me to adapt what I cook and eat, and you know what? I still love meat, but it's just not an every meal thing anymore. I don't feel that I need a meat dish somewhere in my meal every time I eat, and when I do, sometimes 4 oz. of pancetta in a pot of soup is enough.

From a nutritional standpoint, you just don't need very much meat at all. It tastes damn good, but really, do you want to eat the beef or chicken from that Chinese place on the corner? Do you really want to know how good that meat is and where it came from? Just get the tofu. You'll thank me later.

Disclaimer: Pollen wants to sell you books, but they're damn good.