Impossible. It would make it older than the world itself by a few thousand years.

Don't worry, God, I won't fall for this trickery!

That's what THEY want us to believe.

I'm surprised, I thought habitation of the Americas would have gone back thousands of years before that.

RodneyToady: Impossible. It would make it older than the world itself by a few thousand years.

Don't worry, God, I won't fall for this trickery!

You know that only a small minority of Christians think the world is only 6,000 years old, right?

You probably didn't know and were just trolling.

mcsestretch: RodneyToady: Impossible. It would make it older than the world itself by a few thousand years.

Don't worry, God, I won't fall for this trickery!

You know that only a small minority of Christians think the world is only 6,000 years old, right?

You probably didn't know and were just trolling.


According to this 44% of Americans agree with the statement "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so". While this may not directly translate into pure young earth creationism, it should be close enough to give any rational person night sweats.

Good job providing a picture, you cameraless bastards.

Sybarite: mcsestretch: RodneyToady: Impossible. It would make it older than the world itself by a few thousand years.

Don't worry, God, I won't fall for this trickery!

You know that only a small minority of Christians think the world is only 6,000 years old, right?

You probably didn't know and were just trolling.


According to this 44% of Americans agree with the statement "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so". While this may not directly translate into pure young earth creationism, it should be close enough to give any rational person night sweats.

Those polls are all over the place. One has 53% believing that "God created human beings in their present form exactly the way the Bible describes it", yet another has 39% believing that "the scientific theory of evolution is [not] well-supported by evidence and widely accepted within the scientific community".

Those two things are essentially the same question phrased differently, yet there is a 14 percentage point spread, 20 points if you stretch the margin of error, and still 8 points separation the other way.

The stereotype of the religious white male believing in Creationism is actually wrong, by the way. Almost twice as many men as women believe that man evolved with no help from God (11.5% v. 6.6%), and more than twice as many caucasians believed that than blacks (9% v. 4%). Black women are much less likely to believe in evolution than white men.

Black women are much less likely to believe in evolution than white men.

Perhaps because black men are less evolved then white women?

/yes, I went there.

dittybopper: Those polls are all over the place. One has 53% believing that "God created human beings in their present form exactly the way the Bible describes it", yet another has 39% believing that "the scientific theory of evolution is [not] well-supported by evidence and widely accepted within the scientific community".

I'm not going to get too far into this discussion, but I've seen people argue that A)Humans were created as is by God and B)animals have evolved over time.

Either way, all it takes to be a Christian is shoehorning Jesus somewhere into your crazy personal beliefs.

Barbigazi: dittybopper: Those polls are all over the place. One has 53% believing that "God created human beings in their present form exactly the way the Bible describes it", yet another has 39% believing that "the scientific theory of evolution is [not] well-supported by evidence and widely accepted within the scientific community".

I'm not going to get too far into this discussion, but I've seen people argue that A)Humans were created as is by God and B)animals have evolved over time.

Either way, all it takes to be a Christian is shoehorning Jesus somewhere into your crazy personal beliefs.

Can't argue with that.

Back closer to the topic, I thought they might have found an atlatl. Turns out it was a crappy scraper.

Here's an atlatl I made a while back:

dittybopper:
The stereotype of the religious white male believing in Creationism is actually wrong, by the way.


That may be the oddest injection of a racial/gender persecution complex I've ever seen inserted into an unrelated discussion.

bone tool. hehehe

All they have to do to find out if it was Clovis people is look for a nearby meth lab.

Oldest AmericanFrench-made object ever discovered was manufactured in Oregon, 14,230 years before Wal-Mart outsourced it to Asia

/maybe

And I thought I had an old tool.

Does not approve of tools found in Paisley.

dryknife: And I thought I had an old tool.

You and me both, brother.

/we now return you to Yet Another pointless debate about Christianists

Was it a wagon tongue?

hillbillypharmacist: Good job providing a picture, you cameraless bastards.

LOL'd...
2nd that...
Urs truly wanted to be an archeologist (paleontology), but parents said..."Art school and archeology are hobbies for rich people, go to nursing school, get a real job..."

I thought it would be a pipe or a bong.

I did archaelogy near Paisely back in the day with Dr. Jenkins.

And it isn't a rich person's pursuit at all. How the hell would your parents know that?

dittybopper: Barbigazi:Back closer to the topic, I thought they might have found an atlatl. Turns out it was a crappy scraper.

Here's an atlatl I made a while back:
Cool. Any good with it? The one time I tried to use an atlatl, I almost speared my foot.

Interesting, if I remember we have been in our current form for about 100,000 years so how did we survive for that long before using tools.

14,000 years old? All our artifacts are so young on this continent. When I was in Oldupai Gorge in Tanzania I got to hold a 1.5 million year old hand axe. Real stuff that old is awe-inspiring.

Thisbymaster: Interesting, if I remember we have been in our current form for about 100,000 years so how did we survive for that long before using tools.

~2,6M BC(E) - first known stone tools
~0,2M BC(E) - humans acquire current form
~0,15M BC(E) - humans reach Americas

"artefact"?

It'd be different if they did it once. But they KEEP DOING IT.

Oh. British variant. Nothing to see here. Move along.

RodneyToady: Impossible. It would make it older than the world itself by a few thousand years.

Don't worry, God, I won't fall for this trickery!

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times.
This isn't what real Christians actually believe.

But thanks for trying.

When did they change the spelling of 'artifact'? And don't give me that "British variation" crap.

nicoffeine: All they have to do to find out if it was Clovis people is look for a nearby meth lab.

ZING!

/I see you've spent time in Clovis, too.

dobro: When did they change the spelling of 'artifact'? And don't give me that "British variation" crap.

They didn't, though our friends to the south have been trying to change the spelling for a while now. Apparently the thought of a word that might be spelt differently from how they pronounce it is annoying.

Even if you rename the language American, I will continue to speak English.

Cheers.

InfamousBLT: This isn't what real Christians actually believe.

Considering the Bible can be reasonably interpreted in so many different ways - some good, some bad, some just plain nutty - what, pray tell, is a "real Christian"?

It may not be exactly what the majority of Christians believe, but I consider both Pat Robertson and Francis Collins to be "real Christians" because, well, they both accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior.

Either way, it's all off-topic. This find is pretty neat. Archaeology is interesting as all hell. Sometimes I wish I'd majored in anthropology.

CLEARLY I'm evil: "artefact"?

It'd be different if they did it once. But they KEEP DOING IT.

It's probably because a lot of their staff (editor, etc.) are located in the U.K or Europe.

InfamousBLT: RodneyToady: Impossible. It would make it older than the world itself by a few thousand years.

Don't worry, God, I won't fall for this trickery!

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times.
This isn't what real Christians actually believe.

But thanks for trying.

No True Scot fallacy, but thanks for trying.

Kevin Smith, the team member who uncovered the artefact, remembers the discovery. "We had bumped into a lot of extinct horse, bison and camel bone - then I heard and felt the familiar ring and feel when trowel hits bone."

/Snoogins

RodneyToady: Impossible. It would make it older than the world itself by a few thousand years.

Don't worry, God, I won't fall for this trickery!

Preach on, brother!

Wait, which denominational sub-sect are you with? I'm in the Christian First Church of Jesus the Savior. If you're one of those people from the First Christian Church of Jesus the Savior, you're a Damned heathen and going to Hell!

/It was 4003 BC, not 4004 BC!!!

It's a dinglehopper....