Good jorb!

Ouch. Man, when one side has a fresh best-case-scenario bill and the other has had theirs go through the meat grinder for half a year, the meat grinder bill shouldn't still look better.

It's one thing to have no ideas. It's another thing to only have bad ideas.

It was better when it was three circles and two lines.

And this is divergent from their obvious intentions how?

DUH... They don't want this one approved either. By making it an awful mess, it assures it won't be voted in, but it makes them look like they are trying.

patrick767: It was better when it was three circles and two lines.

Three circles and two lines cost the taxpayers 76 trillion dollars.

what, no [OBVIOUS] tag?

I, for one, am shocked....SHOCKED...at this surprising turn of events.

I think that we're all shocked that the GOP leadership wants to waste money with sops to Big Insurance.

And here we all were thinking that the GOP leadership is so smart and effective!

At least it's not socialist!!!

amirite?

The Democratic bill, in other words, covers 12 times as many people and saves $36 billion more than the Republican plan.

I just want to repeat that point. People, stop listening to the Republicans. It's clear they can't help America.

It's can't be any simpler, people. This is why you libs always lose your way... you don't pay attention to the BIG PICTURE.

/Stupid Libs
//Hotlinked from stupid lib website

FTFA: According to CBO, the GOP's alternative will shave $68 billion off the deficit in the next 10 years. The Democrats, CBO says, will slice $104 billion off the deficit.

I call BS. Anyone who thinks that either of these plans will reduce the deficit is delusional.

BillCo: I call BS. Anyone who thinks that either of these plans will reduce the deficit is delusional.

I don't think you understand how the deficit works.

BillCo: Anyone who thinks that either of these plans will reduce the deficit is delusional.

[citation needed]

BillCo: FTFA: According to CBO, the GOP's alternative will shave $68 billion off the deficit in the next 10 years. The Democrats, CBO says, will slice $104 billion off the deficit.

I call BS. Anyone who thinks that either of these plans will reduce the deficit is delusional.

It will likely reduce the deficit over the next 10 years. That's the point of implementing it. Insurance costs are increasing 3 times faster than the cost of living. Also, private insurance has a 30% overhead. US pays twice as much as other industrialized Nations for health care (premiums & taxes combined). Any shift to single payer will eventually yield huge savings which can be beat down the deficit. Why is this delusional?

GAT_00: The Democratic bill, in other words, covers 12 times as many people and saves $36 billion more than the Republican plan.

I just want to repeat that point. People, stop listening to the Republicans. It's clear they can't help America.

THIS
period.


Gig103: DUH... They don't want this one approved either. By making it an awful mess, it assures it won't be voted in, but it makes them look like they are trying.

no, it makes them look incompetent and it makes the dem plan look better.
I am certain that they thought that their plan was a good one.

plus they can not attack CBO cause it is the group both sides use as independent (of course they will attack CBO next as obama lackeys)

Does it cover rich white people?
Yes?
Then what's the problem?

BillCo: Anyone who thinks that either of these plans will reduce the deficit is delusional.

I guess the government should just keep spending $1.25t a year in health care expenditures without trying to fix costs.

FTFA: Late last night, the Congressional Budget Office released its initial analysis of the health-care reform plan that Republican Minority Leader John Boehner...

And then I couldn't continue reading.

heh. Boehner. SPROINGGGG!!!!

/bringing puerility to Fark for over 3 years now...

Ok, now, FTFA: Compare that to the Democratic bill, which covers 36 million more people and cuts the uninsured population to 4 percent.

I wonder which 4% we're talking about here...

Let's see, the CBO says this bill will lower premiums and the deficit - and cost $61 billion. It says the Pelosi bill will lower deficit but raise premiums - and cost over $1 trillion (not counting $200 billion in non-cuts to Medicare payouts they removed from the bill or even considering how the bill will pay for itself if the individual mandate upon which its cost structure depends is struck down as unconstitutional).

So naturally, Ezra Klein and subby describe it as costing more and covering fewer people.

MuadDib: So naturally, Ezra Klein and subby describe it as costing more and covering fewer people.

No... the CBO describes it as costing more and covering fewer people. From the CBO report.

CBO and JCT estimate that those provisions would increase federal budget deficits by about $8 billion over the 2010-2019 period, reducing the number of nonelderly people without health insurance by about 3 million in 2019 and leaving about 52 million nonelderly residents uninsured. The share of legal nonelderly residents with insurance coverage in 2019-83 percent-would be roughly in line with the current share.

Read it for your self.

Code_Archeologist: MuadDib: So naturally, Ezra Klein and subby describe it as costing more and covering fewer people.

No... the CBO describes it as costing more and covering fewer people. From the CBO report.
CBO and JCT estimate that those provisions would increase federal budget deficits by about $8 billion over the 2010-2019 period, reducing the number of nonelderly people without health insurance by about 3 million in 2019 and leaving about 52 million nonelderly residents uninsured. The share of legal nonelderly residents with insurance coverage in 2019-83 percent-would be roughly in line with the current share.
Read it for your self.

From the first paragraph of your link that you skipped for some reason to cherry pick a quotation summing up the cost portion of the summary:

CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that the amendment would reduce federal deficits by $68 billion over the 2010-2019 period...