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(Reason Magazine) Interesting The most impressive trick played by liberals is creating a narrative wherein attempting to fundamentally reconfigure the American economy makes one a moderate, while the nearly powerless who dissent are "Stalinists"   (reason.com) divider line 137
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sigdiamond2000 [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:13:27 AM  
Boy, for a magazine that prides itself on being rugged individualist independents, Reason sure does spend a lot of time defending the Republican Party these days.

Another thing: Calling Doug Hoffman a "tepid, traditional conservative" is f*cking ridiculous. This author's either an idiot or purposely glossing over this guy's extreme social conservative beliefs.

 
JusticeandIndependence [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:13:30 AM  
{GROAN}

 
ne2d [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:19:25 AM  
Not nearly as impressive as the trick played by Republicans by creating a narrative wherein they are the party of limited government.

 
notmtwain [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:19:32 AM  
If I understand what he is saying, it's something like:

There are no Stalinists in Fox holes.

Wait, maybe there are.

///The Stalin comparison merely related to the purging of the moderate candidate, not to all the efforts to slow or oppose legislation.

 
jehovahs witness protection [recently expired TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:19:53 AM  
sigdiamond2000: Boy, for a magazine that prides itself on being rugged individualist independents, Reason sure does spend a lot of time defending the Republican Party these days.

Another thing: Calling Doug Hoffman a "tepid, traditional conservative" is f*cking ridiculous. This author's either an idiot or purposely glossing over this guy's extreme social conservative beliefs.


Because defending the liberals is treason.

 
slayer199 [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:20:15 AM  
sigdiamond2000: ason sure does spend a lot of time defending the Republican Party these days.

Another thing: Calling Doug Hoffman a "tepid, traditional conservative" is f*cking ridiculous. This author's either an idiot or purposely glossing over this guy's e


Did you RTFA? They ripped the GOP to shreds.

 
mrshowrules [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:26:16 AM  
Came here fot a Usual Suspects reference. Leaving dissappointed.

 
Cagey B [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:26:37 AM  
Help help I'm being oppressed, etc.

 
House of Tards [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:26:45 AM  
sigdiamond2000:
Another thing: Calling Doug Hoffman a "tepid, traditional conservative" is f*cking ridiculous. This author's either an idiot or purposely glossing over this guy's extreme social conservative beliefs.


David Harsyani is a local columnist in Denver who gets syndicated by Reason. And his typical column is always about whitewashing social conservatism. His standard column structure is typically something along the lines of: "I am a supporter of gay marriage and all, but I would reluctantly trade these people's rights for a repeal of the stifling and statist regulations that require pharmacists to be credentialled".

 
mrshowrules [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:29:03 AM  
sigdiamond2000: Boy, for a magazine that prides itself on being rugged individualist independents, Reason sure does spend a lot of time defending the Republican Party these days.

Another thing: Calling Doug Hoffman a "tepid, traditional conservative" is f*cking ridiculous. This author's either an idiot or purposely glossing over this guy's extreme social conservative beliefs.


Hoffman is too stupid to have any beliefs. I've met squirrels with more character them him.

 
GAT_00 [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:29:06 AM  
You sound whiny and out of power.

 
Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:35:27 AM  
Can It Be? A Party for Capitalism?

It's called "Congress", and it costs businesses relatively little to get whatever laws passed that they want. All they need are suitcases full of money and it happens.

So who needs political parties when you can just pay for whatever legislation you want?

 
Lionel Mandrake [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:36:47 AM  
jehovahs witness protection: sigdiamond2000: Boy, for a magazine that prides itself on being rugged individualist independents, Reason sure does spend a lot of time defending the Republican Party these days.

Another thing: Calling Doug Hoffman a "tepid, traditional conservative" is f*cking ridiculous. This author's either an idiot or purposely glossing over this guy's extreme social conservative beliefs.

Because defending the liberals is treason.


What does that even mean?

 
MuadDib [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:43:01 AM  
Marcus Aurelius: Can It Be? A Party for Capitalism?

It's called "Congress", and it costs businesses relatively little to get whatever laws passed that they want.


You seem to be a little fuzzy on the meaning of the word "capitalism."

 
Rev.K [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:50:41 AM  
Lionel Mandrake: What does that even mean?

Never question Bruce Dickinson jehovahs witness protection!

 
madmann [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:50:44 AM  
Stalinist! Marxist! Communist! Socialist! Leninist! Fascist!

None of these words have any meaning, right? I'm pretty sure any word that ends in "ist" is just a pejorative. The "ist" means "you're a bad person and you should feel bad".

 
unyon [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 11:53:43 AM  
DRTFA, but even an outsider can see how the American economy got remade over the last 25 years in the other direction. Calling a course correction 'radical' is where I would part company with this guy.

It's hard to call the GOP the party of Lincoln, when Lincoln would have been run out of town on a rail for being a RINO.

 
vygramul [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 12:02:18 PM  
madmann: Stalinist! Marxist! Communist! Socialist! Leninist! Fascist!

None of these words have any meaning, right? I'm pretty sure any word that ends in "ist" is just a pejorative. The "ist" means "you're a bad person and you should feel bad".


It's heading that way as both sides fling around the phrases with impunity.

 
HansensDisease [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 12:05:24 PM  
Yeah! It's really despicable how those libs are calling everyone Socialist!

/wait wut?

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 12:15:06 PM  
Wait, I thought Van JObama was the Stalinist. WHO IS THE STALINIST?!?!?!

 
sigdiamond2000 [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 12:15:28 PM  
slayer199: Did you RTFA? They ripped the GOP to shreds.

Hardly. They're completely whitewashing the essential nature of this "free-market uprising" and this mythical new "Capitalism Party" because they desperately need this movement to appear ideologically pure.

Jesus, what a crock of bullsh*t. The NY-23 "uprising" was orchestrated almost completely by the far-right social conservative fringe of the Republican Party, and had more to do with ACORN, gays, and abortion than fiscal conservatism.

It's embarrassing to watch Reason play so dumb about this. But I guess they need to in order to validate their worldview.

 
House of Tards [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 12:17:34 PM  
vygramul:
It's heading that way as both sides fling around the phrases with impunity.


Sounds like one o' them big words they teach at the Marxist indoctrination centers we call college.

 
Eddie Adams from Torrance [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 12:25:57 PM  
sigdiamond2000: It's embarrassing to watch Reason play so dumb about this. But I guess they need to in order to validate their worldview.

They're not playing.

 
CitizenTed [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 12:30:12 PM  
BoTh sIDez aRe tEh baD.

 
Dusk-You-n-Me [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 12:31:37 PM  
He'll flip ya.

 
sigdiamond2000 [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 12:34:42 PM  
Eddie Adams from Torrance: They're not playing.

No, they are.

Most of the people who write for Reason are pretty intelligent people. But they're ideologues and are therefore prone to engaging in feats of Herculean misdirection, false equivalency, and general unseriousness in order to support their cause.

 
dr.zaeus 2009-11-05 01:14:57 PM  
madmann: Stalinist! Marxist! Communist! Socialist! Leninist! Fascist!

None of these words have any meaning, right? I'm pretty sure any word that ends in "ist" is just a pejorative. The "ist" means "you're a bad person and you should feel bad".


Pharmacist?

 
Shaggy_C 2009-11-05 01:16:16 PM  
Good luck Dumb-o-craps. You can't change the fundamentals of the economy because they are so strong. McCain said so.

 
nlscb 2009-11-05 01:17:15 PM  
"The Greatest Trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that global warming is real and that it needs government run healthcare."

www.corporate-aliens.com

/hot like a burning boat with no dope

 
3_Butt_Cheeks 2009-11-05 01:17:43 PM  
GAT_00: You sound whiny

That sums you up, on a daily and painful basis.

Dusk-You-n-Me: He'll flip ya.

For some reason, one of the funnier lines in the movie.

/Leaving satisfied.

 
qorkfiend 2009-11-05 01:17:49 PM  
You know who else liked to purge his political party of those whose ideology was not pure enough? Stalin.

 
vernonFL [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 01:17:56 PM  
If *I* was going to "fundamentally reconfigure" the American economy, I'd start by cutting taxes.

then I'd start a very expensive war.

Then, I'd create a really expensive medicare program that we would never be able to pay for.

That is how I would do it.

 
KingPsyz 2009-11-05 01:18:18 PM  
But I thought the right was calling the lefties in power of being Stalinists?

Oh, maybe the guys at reason misheard Stallingists as Stalinists, happens all the time...

 
Pants full of macaroni!! 2009-11-05 01:18:51 PM  
Is this the same kind of deal as "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he doesn't exist"?

/weaksauce

 
MyRandomName 2009-11-05 01:19:16 PM  
GAT_00: You sound whiny and out of power.

That sounds hateful. Freedom of speech does not give you freedom to hate.

 
Klingon Penis 2009-11-05 01:20:06 PM  
Shut up, Reason Magazine, you cock.

/seriously, biggest collection of douchebags on the internets

 
Skleenar 2009-11-05 01:20:12 PM  
Calling your magazine "Reason" is also a pretty impressive trick.

Anyone notice how the 'other' guys are always more organized, more ruthless and trickier than your team?

Really. No matter what side you are on, it's the other guys who have their political mobilization shiat down, and your team is full of the hopeless do-gooders who only ever win, when they do, by the mere fact that they have better ideas, if ineptly put forward.

Trickery is the only way the other guy gets ahead, and they're damn good at it.

 
I hate Chevy 2009-11-05 01:20:15 PM  
CitizenTed: BoTh sIDez aRe tEh baD.

So vote Republican!

/is that how it goes?

 
slayer199 [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 01:20:55 PM  
sigdiamond2000: slayer199: Did you RTFA? They ripped the GOP to shreds.

Hardly. They're completely whitewashing the essential nature of this "free-market uprising" and this mythical new "Capitalism Party" because they desperately need this movement to appear ideologically pure.

Jesus, what a crock of bullsh*t. The NY-23 "uprising" was orchestrated almost completely by the far-right social conservative fringe of the Republican Party, and had more to do with ACORN, gays, and abortion than fiscal conservatism.

It's embarrassing to watch Reason play so dumb about this. But I guess they need to in order to validate their worldview.


" The angry, hard-right, radical, insane (etc.) conservative base has hijacked the Republican Party and, in the process, further alienated a beleaguered nation-a nation that apparently is hankering for tripling deficits and government takeovers of the health care, energy, banking, and car industries.

Like Democrats, I, too, hope Republicans suffer. By focusing on needless culture wars, nurturing government centralization and growth, and spending without restraint, the GOP has downgraded fiscal conservatism to nothing more than election-time rhetoric over the past decade. And not surprisingly, Republican identification is also at an all-time low. "

"Purging moderates is indeed a self-destructive strategy for any national party. But running a party without any litmus tests on the central issue of the economy seems to be similarly self-defeating."

You based your opinion on one paragraph while ignoring the rest.

 
nlscb 2009-11-05 01:21:02 PM  
Dusk-You-n-Me: He'll flip ya.

Damn it! Beaten to the reference.

*shakes tiny fist in rage*

 
pacified 2009-11-05 01:21:19 PM  
Someone wasn't pulling on their boot straps hard enough

 
The Why Not Guy [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 01:21:48 PM  
Let's play a game. Take a piece of paper and a pen, and write down examples of Liberals calling people who dissent Stalinists. I'll write down examples of Conservatives doing the same. I'll bet my life savings that my sheet of paper is filled first.

 
Cinaed 2009-11-05 01:23:33 PM  
-The rabid moron bunch hijacked one race, the other races were pretty solidly GOP leaning in the first place, so the wins for the Republicans there was no surprise.
-The new independents are people who were/are disgusted by the GOP, but have no other political voice to turn to. The band of 'moderates' in the political spectrum hasn't gotten bigger, no siree.
-We haven't had a Free Market version of Capitalism, and after a boom/bust trend of far too long with one big ass bust, we entered a Mixed Market. A few rules were loosened and, sure enough, grand rationalization for those rules have played out right in front of our eyes, not the other way around.
-The guy is a putz for not realizing the economic stance of both parties places a Capitalist oriented system on a rather high pedestal. One group just doesn't think of it as sacrosanct.

 
3_Butt_Cheeks 2009-11-05 01:24:02 PM  
I hate Chevy: CitizenTed: BoTh sIDez aRe tEh baD.

So vote Republican!

/is that how it goes?


No, you forgot a Fox related outrage and possible some faux racism.

 
priestrape 2009-11-05 01:24:50 PM  
Wait...I thought attempting to fundamentally reconfigure the American economy makes one - simultaneously, mind you - a socialist, fascist, czarist and maoist

 
hillbillypharmacist [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 01:25:47 PM  
House of Tards: David Harsyani is a local columnist in Denver who gets syndicated by Reason. And his typical column is always about whitewashing social conservatism. His standard column structure is typically something along the lines of: "I am a supporter of gay marriage and all, but I would reluctantly trade these people's rights for a repeal of the stifling and statist regulations that require pharmacists to be credentialled".

It's quite true. I've had the boot of statist government pawns on my neck for my entire career.

When will the people wake up and demand their rights to be sold random pills by whoever the dollar store can hire to hand them out? LET THE FREE MARKET WORK

 
Klingon Penis 2009-11-05 01:28:06 PM  
I'm not sure the yokels at Reason are the problem; it's the Paultard admin who keeps greenlighting this nonsense.

 
madmann [TotalFark] 2009-11-05 01:30:03 PM  
dr.zaeus: madmann: Stalinist! Marxist! Communist! Socialist! Leninist! Fascist!

None of these words have any meaning, right? I'm pretty sure any word that ends in "ist" is just a pejorative. The "ist" means "you're a bad person and you should feel bad".

Pharmacist?


Hey now! There's no call for language like that in here. Next thing you know, people will just be hollering out "Belgium*" without even any artistic merit.

*Or "fark", in the European version.

 
Headso 2009-11-05 01:32:14 PM  
The author uses this bit of data to validate his opinion.

The percentage of independents describing their views as "conservative" has also grown, to 35 percent from 29 percent in just one year.

My opinion is that those 6% of people didn't want to admit to being conservative when W. was in office but now it's not so embarrassing.

 
Senescent Dawn 2009-11-05 01:33:37 PM  
Okay, I think I understand. Sharply turning the steering wheel to avoid a rapidly oncoming brick wall is most certainly a "radical" move. No matter the danger, moderates should always support inaction.

 
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