Heisman candidates have been doing it for years.

The ACC grabbed FSU and Miami because they had big fan bases.

Boise State needs a PR firm to improve their own whiny & puny fan base.

Boise State isn't even close to deserving it this year. There are seven undefeated teams still, and all of the rest of them have had harder schedules than Boise. TCU is also a mid-major, and they deserve the title more than BSU.

GAT_00: Boise State isn't even close to deserving it this year. There are seven undefeated teams still, and all of the rest of them have had harder schedules than Boise. TCU is also a mid-major, and they deserve the title more than BSU.

The end. YAY

/if only

/hot

The BCS should be replaced with a bunch of figure skating judges. It'd save time and money.

oh boy, it's november and now we get to hear for the next three months all the superdy dooper intellectuals who have playoff systems that will be sooooooooooooooooooooo much better.

maybe they should schedule someone that is decent beyond Oregon. They played TCU last year in the bowl game and got beat. Although it was by 1 pt, TCU nearly doubled them in yards and such. The BCS is crap but this is just ridiculous.

*Mack Brown seen taking notes*

Seriously, it has become all about gaming the system. Actual football play comes in a distant second. In light of the scheduling shenanigans, need for subjective popularity polls, and the perceived need for this kind of lobbying crap, this system really needs to be completely rethought.

Bash on Boise all you want, but no rational human being can put Oregon in a BCS bowl if Boise isn't in one as well.

/Whether or not it is in the "NC" bowl is irrelevant
//Since there is no such thing as a national champion in DI-FBS

GAT_00: Boise State isn't even close to deserving it this year. There are seven undefeated teams still, and all of the rest of them have had harder schedules than Boise. TCU is also a mid-major, and they deserve the title more than BSU.

See but this is the point: You don't know that for sure. I don't care how many common opponents/strength of schedules/whatever you point to, until Boise State has the opportunity to actually upset or get crushed by Florida or Texas, you don't know for sure.

Play a schedule with the big boys and then we can talk! 1 win over an Oregon team that would destroy you now is not enough in my books to become BCS eligible. I am not a Duck fan.

Go Cougs! Yes, I am aware WSU sucks right now.

tortilla burger: GAT_00: Boise State isn't even close to deserving it this year. There are seven undefeated teams still, and all of the rest of them have had harder schedules than Boise. TCU is also a mid-major, and they deserve the title more than BSU.

The end. YAY

/if only

It could get interesting if

- LSU beats Alabama (somewhat unlikely)
- Florida loses in the SEC championship game (somewhat unlikely)
- OSU beats Iowa (likely)
- Cincy loses somewhere along the way (likely)

Does that mean we get a Texas-TCU championship? What if Texas loses (also unlikely) leaving Boise St and TCU as the only undefeated teams?

[shameless_plug]
I fully expect Iowa and Cincy to lose before the season's end (new window) but Boise State, TCU, Texas, and either Florida or Alabama will finish undefeated. All it takes is a 1-loss SEC champion and/or Texas to choke for the system to really go nuts.
[/shameless_plug]

What, the system is corrupt? The system where coaches get paid millions of dollars and billions are thrown at television contracts but any mention of paying the players is met with "ITLL BRAEK THA SYSTAM"? Really?

jayhawk88: See but this is the point: You don't know that for sure. I don't care how many common opponents/strength of schedules/whatever you point to, until Boise State has the opportunity to actually upset or get crushed by Florida or Texas, you don't know for sure.

Exactly. If the NFL used a BCS-type system, the Cardinals would have never gotten a whiff of the Super Bowl last season. These matters should be settled on the field, not on paper.

Actually, I hope some of the BCS teams take Boise State up on their offer.

Then we'll quit hearing from Boise State. They're like the little snot-nosed kid on the playground that keeps picking on the bigger quiet kid, then the bigger quiet kid just snaps and beats the living piss out of the little shiat.

Look, guys, I think we have to look at the facts and what Boise State has done over the course of the last six years. They certainly have established themselves as a credible, legitimate, bona fide top 10 team. TCU's win against the 16th ranked BYU, which is now unranked, is not as strong as Boise State's signature win against No. 16 Oregon, which is now ranked eighth.

NCAA Division I FBS: The only organized sport on the planet where you can not only finish the season undefeated and not be the champion, but know before the season even begins (on the basis of the preseason poll) that you can finish the season undefeated and not be the champion.

If Boise State had been ranked in the top five by the "meaningless" preseason poll, they'd be in the driver's seat now.

mentallo69: Play a schedule with the big boys and then we can talk! 1 win over an Oregon team that would destroy you now is not enough in my books to become BCS eligible. I am not a Duck fan.


cdjones85: maybe they should schedule someone that is decent beyond Oregon. They played TCU last year in the bowl game and got beat. Although it was by 1 pt, TCU nearly doubled them in yards and such. The BCS is crap but this is just ridiculous.

Maybe you should familarize yourselves with the fact that this may not be as easy as you think. (new window)

ihatedumbpeople: Actually, I hope some of the BCS teams take Boise State up on their offer.

Then we'll quit hearing from Boise State. They're like the little snot-nosed kid on the playground that keeps picking on the bigger quiet kid, then the bigger quiet kid just snaps and beats the living piss out of the little shiat.

Like Oregon?

HeadLever: ihatedumbpeople: Actually, I hope some of the BCS teams take Boise State up on their offer.

Then we'll quit hearing from Boise State. They're like the little snot-nosed kid on the playground that keeps picking on the bigger quiet kid, then the bigger quiet kid just snaps and beats the living piss out of the little shiat.

Like Oregon?

To be fair, Oregon did knock BSU on their ass.

cdjones85: maybe they should schedule someone that is decent beyond Oregon. They played TCU last year in the bowl game and got beat. Although it was by 1 pt, TCU nearly doubled them in yards and such. The BCS is crap but this is just ridiculous.

This is a stupid argument, and was thoroughly debunked in the LAST thread about the BCS. Big schools have no incentive to schedule teams like Boise St. Why would a team like Florida schedule someone HARD outside of conference when an undefeated record, even if their OOC schedule is 2 FCS teams, a sun belt team and a MAC team, GUARANTEES them a spot in the title game? That's why top tier teams hardly ever schedule top-tier opponents, and the scheduling is trending even further towards cupcakes.

I mean, look at the teams that made it hard on themselves this year: Oregon, USC, OSU, and Oklahoma. They're all behind the pack in the national title hunt because they DIDN'T schedule a bunch of cupcakes like Florida, Texas and Alabama did.

But Boise is a symptom of a much larger problem. There is no objective way to narrow down a championship game to only 2 teams out of a field of 118 when they've each only played 11-13 games. You're going to leave teams out no matter what. Non-BCS teams are prohibited from getting in the national championship, and that's a fact. Even if TCU wins out, with their more than decent strength of schedule, do you really think they'll be put in ahead of a 1-loss SEC team that scheduled nothing but FCS and Sun Belt teams out of conference?

They won't. The system is broken. A playoff system is needed.

ffish: To be fair, Oregon did knock BSU on their ass.

Yeah, and Hout deserved every knuckle. And the humiliation that went along with it. I just wish Peterson would have suspended him for a game.

Oh, well. We hit Oregon where it really counted.

Boise and TCU both need to play more than one team a year thats any good. They both should be ranked in the 20's until they beef up there schedule.

Bring back the bowl games.
No BCS
No playoffs

Its the best way

MtnByker: Boise and TCU both need to play more than one team a year thats any good. They both should be ranked in the 20's until they beef up there schedule.

Again, I direct you to my 2009-11-05 11:56:01 AM post where I link to a discussion on why is it difficult for these teams to land this type of schedule.

It's not the sport that is the problem here. It's the sport's governing body's means of deciding who is in the champion game. And yes, part of that process is based on Public Image so therefore a PR firm should boost their image as a potential "BCS caliber team". And it all boils down to money. You get a bigger payday if you get into a BCS bowl game.

They're not going to get a tile shot unless all sorts of crazy scenarios play out. Florida would have to lose twice to be be kept out. There are too many more marketable teams lined up to play Florida.

To rehash it again...BCS bracket berths off conference champs. Seeding drawn randomly, no polls. Rest of teams scramble for non-BCS bowls.

jayhawk88: See but this is the point: You don't know that for sure. I don't care how many common opponents/strength of schedules/whatever you point to, until Boise State has the opportunity to actually upset or get crushed by Florida or Texas, you don't know for sure.

I can also extend this corollary to every team. That is a bad argument. Sure, Eastern Michigan is 0-8, but we don't really know that they suck hard, until we make some arbitrarily defined #1 team crush them.

ffish: OSU beats Iowa (likely)

Actually, I think my Buckeyes knock off PSU, which doesn't come close to deserving their ranking, but lose to Iowa.

mentallo69: Play a schedule with the big boys and then we can talk!

As others have said: If only there was a thread on fark that addressed this point. I wonder if there could be a headline on the sports page that notes about how Boise is willing to play a 1-off home game against anyone and how THE BIG BOYS RUN AWAY SCARED!

Also, it is just a mythical National Championship, anyway. They decide the two teams that will play for the Sears trophy or whatever they call it. I'm sorry, but the drama in sports is oft-times due to playoff excitement. Like The Giants- Pats Super Bowl, the 'Nova - G'town title game, even the Magic beating the Cavs in the ECF last year.. all these great stories would have never happened in a Div 1 football setting.

MtnByker: Boise and TCU both need to play more than one team a year thats any good. They both should be ranked in the 20's until they beef up there schedule.

I wasn't aware Utah and BYU were both considered bad teams this year. Not to mention a 5-3 Clemson team that fell to TCU.

lacydog:
I mean, look at the teams that made it hard on themselves this year: Oregon, USC, OSU, and Oklahoma. They're all behind the pack in the national title hunt because they DIDN'T schedule a bunch of cupcakes like Florida, Texas and Alabama did.


Now hold on just a second, I wont argue Texas and Florida, but Alabama did play Va Tech in the season opener. Alabama also has a home and home with Penn State over the next two years. Give them some credit for taking risk with their schedule and playing good teams OOC.

That being said, i don't dispute your point. The trend toward cupcake schedules by the major teams is disturbing at best. But, as has been brought up countless times in this thread alone, there is no incentive, and realistically a disincentive for major teams to schedule a team like BSU. Look at Oregon who was lambasted after their loss to a very quality BSU team. You can go back to last season when Alabama lost to Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Still people talking about how much of a let down that was for Bama and not how Utah was a better team than many people, Alabama included, expect. We all still remember the BSU win over OU in the fiesta bowl years ago, not because BSU had such a good team, but because one of the Goliaths fell to a David. When that is the story line after games like that, you can't expect any Major to take that risk on a game.

ihatedumbpeople: Actually, I hope some of the BCS teams take Boise State up on their offer.

Then we'll quit hearing from Boise State. They're like the little snot-nosed kid on the playground that keeps picking on the bigger quiet kid, then the bigger quiet kid just snaps and beats the living piss out of the little shiat.

Like when they beat Oklahoma in a BCS bowl a couple years ago?

I like how people talk down on this but have no problem with shiat like the "Tebow Promise" getting one in to a championship game

Everyone is forgetting about last year when an "Over-rated" Utah went in and kicked a #4 Alabama team in the teeth at what was basically a home game for them. And then a few years ago when Boise beat an OU team that people had thought would play for a national championship. TCU, Utah, and Boise deserve to get more respect because they have been consistant performers for the last 5 or so years and have played and beat many BCS conference teams in the process. Boise has more BCS bowl wins than OU or Ohio State in the last 5 years.

GAT_00: MtnByker: Boise and TCU both need to play more than one team a year thats any good. They both should be ranked in the 20's until they beef up there schedule.

I wasn't aware Utah and BYU were both considered bad teams this year. Not to mention a 5-3 Clemson team that fell to TCU.

AGAIN, one win to prove there worth? "NOT to mention" I wouldn't mention beating a 3 loss team either like its huge.

I hear some say its hard for them to land a better schedule. Well until they figure it out, have them on the outside looking in.

Colonel_Debugger: oh boy, it's november and now we get to hear for the next three months all the superdy dooper intellectuals who have playoff systems that will be sooooooooooooooooooooo much better.

Anything is better than the current Two Team Playoff system.

The current BCS system is a playoff: between 2 teams. The drama concerns the selection and number of teams competing.

The larger the pool of teams competing, the greater the chance that the champion will be considered "legitimate" (i.e. not as many "Team X was excluded from competing for the championship, Team Y is not a legitimate champion").

With the 2 team BCS system, it's too easy to question that another team deserved a chance to compete for the championship. Even opening it up to a 4 or 8 team playoff drastically increases the perceived fairness (in my opinion).

MtnByker: GAT_00: MtnByker: Boise and TCU both need to play more than one team a year thats any good. They both should be ranked in the 20's until they beef up there schedule.

I wasn't aware Utah and BYU were both considered bad teams this year. Not to mention a 5-3 Clemson team that fell to TCU.

AGAIN, one win to prove there worth? "NOT to mention" I wouldn't mention beating a 3 loss team either like its huge.

I hear some say its hard for them to land a better schedule. Well until they figure it out, have them on the outside looking in.

You're fighting a losing battle, idiot. TCU has beaten Clemson, Air Force, and number 16 BYU on the road, with number 17 Utah still on the schedule. Boise beat the team (Oregon) that is the best in the country RIGHT NOW. Remember when Boise beat OU in the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago? It's sentimental, mid 20th century bullshiat that keeps everybody thinking the major conferences have the best teams.

As was stated before, if the major conference teams didn't run scared when Boise tried to schedule them, this conversation would be moot.

/w playoff it would be more moot

MtnByker: Well until they figure it out, have them on the outside looking in.

Your arument is dumb on so many levels.

Step 1: Refuse to schedule any good mid-majors. Step 2: Point and laugh at crappy schedules of said mid-majors while spouting dumb statements like "let them figure it out". Step 3: Profit!!!!!

*rollseyes*

HeadLever: MtnByker: Boise and TCU both need to play more than one team a year thats any good. They both should be ranked in the 20's until they beef up there schedule.

Again, I direct you to my 2009-11-05 11:56:01 AM post where I link to a discussion on why is it difficult for these teams to land this type of schedule.

We just had this discussion yesterday (new window).

GAT_00: I can also extend this corollary to every team. That is a bad argument. Sure, Eastern Michigan is 0-8, but we don't really know that they suck hard, until we make some arbitrarily defined #1 team crush them.

Look obviously the "smell test" or whatever you want to call it comes into play here, but still, it's not like Boise State, TCU, Utah, etc are St. Mary's School for the Blind. Boise themselves have already proved they can beat a major BCS power in a bowl. Is it really so hard to believe one of these teams could beat a team like Florida, Bama, or Texas this year? It would be a tremendous upset, sure, but not exactly the upset of the century. Major football powerhouses play bad, they allow a lesser team to hang around and get beat on a Statue of Liberty play, they spend too much time on Bourbon Street before the Sugar Bowl, whatever. It happens.

But we're not allowed to see this because major university presidents/CEO's of sports networks are too busy milking a cash cow.

indenture: The larger the pool of teams competing, the greater the chance that the champion will be considered "legitimate" (i.e. not as many "Team X was excluded from competing for the championship, Team Y is not a legitimate champion").

The point would be to allow every team to have control of thier own destiny. Right now, that is not the case. Under a fair playoff, everyone would have to have the opportunity to prove it on the field, instead of in the arena of public perception.

It's very simple. This BCS garbage continues because people allow it to. Stop watching the games, stop spending money on NCAA merchandise if you want it to change. Vote with your dollar, it's the only thing they understand.

UNC_Samurai: We just had this discussion yesterday (new window).

yeah, that is where my linky goes.

Lost Thought 00: Bash on Boise all you want, but no rational human being can put Oregon in a BCS bowl if Boise isn't in one as well.

/Whether or not it is in the "NC" bowl is irrelevant
//Since there is no such thing as a national champion in DI-FBS

I could. It was the first game of the season and Boise's only challenge (which was played at home), while Oregon has had several meaningful games since then. My suspicion is that if the two teams mets again on a Neutral field that Boise would lose. But a 16 team playoff system would eliminate this theoretical BS and encourage teams to stop scheduling cupcakes.

GAT_00: jayhawk88: See but this is the point: You don't know that for sure. I don't care how many common opponents/strength of schedules/whatever you point to, until Boise State has the opportunity to actually upset or get crushed by Florida or Texas, you don't know for sure.

I can also extend this corollary to every team. That is a bad argument. Sure, Eastern Michigan is 0-8, but we don't really know that they suck hard, until we make some arbitrarily defined #1 team crush them.

Your stupid argument only makes sense if you give a shiat about who's the worst team in college football, which nobody else does.

Pyro Messiah: It's very simple. This BCS garbage continues because people allow it to. Stop watching the games, stop spending money on NCAA merchandise if you want it to change. Vote with your dollarfor OBAMA, it's the only thing they understand.


FTFY

GAT_00: jayhawk88: See but this is the point: You don't know that for sure. I don't care how many common opponents/strength of schedules/whatever you point to, until Boise State has the opportunity to actually upset or get crushed by Florida or Texas, you don't know for sure.

I can also extend this corollary to every team. That is a bad argument. Sure, Eastern Michigan is 0-8, but we don't really know that they suck hard, until we make some arbitrarily defined #1 team crush them.

ffish: OSU beats Iowa (likely)

Actually, I think my Buckeyes knock off PSU, which doesn't come close to deserving their ranking, but lose to Iowa.

I think you have that backwards. As a Buckeye, I envision winning out and going to Pasadena, but if we lose, it'll be to State College in Happy Valley, not to the barely cobbled together Hawkeyes in the Shoe.

Not to mention, I don't think that the Iowa game will have as much significance after this weekend when the Hawkeyes fail to get past Northwestern.

dohrk: I'm sorry, but the drama in sports is oft-times due to playoff excitement. Like The Giants- Pats Super Bowl,

The Giants-Pats Super Bowl drama had nothing to do with the playoffs and everything to do with the fact that the Pats had gone 16-0 during the regular season. I guess you could claim that it was because of the playoffs that the Giants got there, but who's to say the Cowboys couldn't have beaten the Pats, given the chance? (I don't think they would've, but who knows?)