I know it was meant for Hezbollah because I saw a twitter that got picked up by the VOA that said it had an Arabic address.

"What's a moidah?"

"Don't play dumb with me."

There isn't any proof that this is related to Hezbollah at all. Bad apples might be doing it at low levels, but their corporate vision is one of peace.

Hey there, whoa. They're the party of god, why would they need guns?

I forgot to include "maki (or mafi, depending on where you're from) mushkila"

Are they sure it's not one of their arms ships that lost their papers?

Shaggy_C: There isn't any proof that this is related to Hezbollah at all. Bad apples might be doing it at low levels, but their corporate vision is one of peace.

[ACORN joke]

Israel seems to stumble on to these arms shipments at really oddly convenient times.

"Fezic... tear his arms off."

"oh you mean this arms shipment"

/first thing that came to mind

HotWingConspiracy: Israel seems to stumble on to these arms shipments at really oddly convenient times.

It's a conspiracy! Those evil Jews tricked Iran into sending arms to Hezbollah.

/I thought Obama had Iran under control...

Hmmmm... whom to believe?

The lying bastards in Hezbollah or the lying bastards in the Israeli government...

soy_bomb: It's a conspiracy!

Why should anyone in this country give a rat's ass what a militant political party in Lebanon as a proxy entity between to pissy theocracies is up to? Why is this story even translated into English?

The ships arms can touch anything but themselves

soy_bomb: Those evil Jews tricked Iran into sending arms to Hezbollah.

Wasn't the ship loaded in Egypt?

soy_bomb: HotWingConspiracy: Israel seems to stumble on to these arms shipments at really oddly convenient times.

It's a conspiracy! Those evil Jews tricked Iran into sending arms to Hezbollah.

Wat

/I thought Obama had Iran under control...

Are you retarded?

Hezbollah is just like ACORN and Obama.

They're all community organizers.

At least they both know how to play the game.


What phosphorus?

HotWingConspiracy: Israel seems to stumble on to these arms shipments at really oddly convenient times.

Yes indeed. Israel just had 500 tons of weapons lying, as well as a foreign ship, so they orchestrated all of this in order to make poor Hizbullah look bad.

I don't understand why rabidly anti-Israel people will go at any lengths in order to attack the Jewish state and defend her enemies. Seriously, you can still rant and rave about Israel and say 'Well, I guess Hizbullah is bad too'.

The thread lost all humor and went dysfunctional in like 16 posts ?


/send in Hillary
//with a reset button

keylock71: Hmmmm... whom to believe?

The lying bastards in Hezbollah or the lying bastards in the Israeli government...

That, kinda. I'm more likely to believe a reputable government which doesn't rely on ACTUAL thugs and murderers (as opposed to former commandos and soldiers who marched under a flag and may have had to assault and kill people), but I'm no fool. The Palestinian citizenry doesn't want the endless cycle of bloodshed any more than Israelis do.

c/p'd from a thread a few days ago:

Palestinians live in perpetual victimhood. When Israel was created, their land was taken. In 1967, more of their land was taken. In 1973, even more. No effort was made to repatriate Palestinians to Jordanian, Egyptian, Lebanese, Syrian or even Saudi territory. Where they are now politically, socially and economically is a direct result of having had no proxy in the international community - their leaders thought they'd have a useful bargaining chip in a displaced people, Israel figured the situation would be resolved shortly and the surrounding countries didn't care enough to get involved.

Israelis live in perpetual disconcert. They feel beset by all sides at all times, don't see much help in those who instinctively side with the oppressed, and cannot believe people would legitimize suicide bombings. They want to be regarded just like any other country - free to expand, free to badger their neighbors, free to govern as they please - but cannot be so seen because of the Palestinian problem. Israeli liberals want a fair and just two-state solution, conservatives and other hard-liners want Palestinians out.

Americans and much of the rest of the world increasingly see Israel as a client state of the US. Fair or not, the influence of AIPAC (which disburses no money directly to American politicians, only matches donors with campaigns) is seen as untoward and unfair (when, in actuality, AARP, the NRA, the Moral Majority/Religious Right, AFL-CIO/SEIU and many others have more of a lobbying presence), and AIPAC is blamed for American policy blunders. AIPAC is firmly on the right of Israeli politics, and the American and Israeli lefts are tired of a one-sided lobbying group which walks on only one side of the road.

None of these groups shoulders the majority of the blame for the current mess. Israelis have been much too hard on Palestinians at large (to the detriment of relations with the Palestinian moderates and dismay of centrists and liberals everywhere); Palestinians have been much too hard-line (recognizing Israel's "right to exist" is not something which should need bargaining away) with their demands, and the rest of the world has projected the issues-du-jour on the conflict (it's part of the GWOT!! it's part of the fight against Commies!! it's part of the American expansion into the MidEast!!!).

It's a farked up situation. Diplomatic pressures aren't going to fix it - one day, a charismatic enough Palestinian leader (and yes, I do feel like it'll be from that side) will amass enough support to actually force a change in the leadership's philosophy AND command enough respect on the Israeli/international fronts to make headway.

// don't really care who ends up owning what land, so long as the citizenry can freely move about: Muslims can visit their holy sites and so can Jews

Tatsuma: HotWingConspiracy: Israel seems to stumble on to these arms shipments at really oddly convenient times.

Yes indeed. Israel just had 500 tons of weapons lying, as well as a foreign ship, so they orchestrated all of this in order to make poor Hizbullah look bad.

I don't understand why rabidly anti-Israel people will go at any lengths in order to attack the Jewish state and defend her enemies. Seriously, you can still rant and rave about Israel and say 'Well, I guess Hizbullah is bad too'.

Wow. Is what I typed considered an attack? It's a pretty dry statement. I like that you've ginned up a conspiracy theory for me though. Thanks.

I didn't mean to give anyone the vapors.

Headso: soy_bomb: Those evil Jews tricked Iran into sending arms to Hezbollah.

Wasn't the ship loaded in Egypt?

That's irrelevant. Iran is an existential threat to Israel. Existential. That's some serious shiat right there.

netcentric: The thread lost all humor and went dysfunctional in like 16 posts ?


/send in Hillary
//with an reset OVERCHARGE button

FTFY

HotWingConspiracy: Tatsuma: HotWingConspiracy: Israel seems to stumble on to these arms shipments at really oddly convenient times.

Yes indeed. Israel just had 500 tons of weapons lying, as well as a foreign ship, so they orchestrated all of this in order to make poor Hizbullah look bad.

I don't understand why rabidly anti-Israel people will go at any lengths in order to attack the Jewish state and defend her enemies. Seriously, you can still rant and rave about Israel and say 'Well, I guess Hizbullah is bad too'.

Wow. Is what I typed considered an attack? It's a pretty dry statement. I like that you've ginned up a conspiracy theory for me though. Thanks.

I didn't mean to give anyone the vapors.

If you troll Tatsuma long enough, he gets a bit twitchy. It's a great Fark past time since he took that break a while back. I suggest Tats take a commenting break, or make an alt.

HotWingConspiracy: Is what I typed considered an attack?

Since it's coming from you, that's how I took it. Are you not virulently Israel? I've seen you imply that some events in the pasts were actually false flag ops by the Mossad, so I didn't exactly assume this out of thin air.

One Million: "What's a moidah?"

"Don't play dumb with me."

Nuttin! What's a moidah wit you?

Tatsuma: HotWingConspiracy: Is what I typed considered an attack?

Since it's coming from you, that's how I took it. Are you not virulently Israel?

Wat

If you mean anti-Israel, the answer is no. But I don't feel like you need to show fealty to their assertions to be pro or neutral-Israel, so that's likely where we differ.

I've seen you imply that some events in the pasts were actually false flag ops by the Mossad, so I didn't exactly assume this out of thin air.

I'm just saying the timing is uncanny. You made up the rest.

Let's all join hands and pray for a nuke-free middle east.

Tatsuma: HotWingConspiracy: Israel seems to stumble on to these arms shipments at really oddly convenient times.

Yes indeed. Israel just had 500 tons of weapons lying, as well as a foreign ship, so they orchestrated all of this in order to make poor Hizbullah look bad.

I don't understand why rabidly anti-Israel people will go at any lengths in order to attack the Jewish state and defend her enemies. Seriously, you can still rant and rave about Israel and say 'Well, I guess Hizbullah is bad too'.

Hezbollah does plenty wrong, but Israel is a completely benevolent force only interested in peace.

Bossk'sSegway: At least they both know how to play the game.


What phosphorus?

This is definitely true.

I was trying to figure out how to troll this into something anti-Israel, but it's just not there. If Hezbollah is implicated in this, they are in the wrong.

Headso: Wasn't the ship loaded in Egypt?

They were getting really tired of Hillary.

On the fun side of conspiracies, who does benefit from the media paying more attention to this than whatever they were paying attention to? Who benefits from increased tension between Israel and Lebanon?

Rush Limbaugh. The dittoheads are behind this. Mark my words.

Dr Dreidel: but cannot be so seen because of the Palestinian problem. Israeli liberals want a fair and just two-state solution, conservatives and other hard-liners want Palestinians out.

This is not exactly true. Likudnikim do not want to transfer the arabs out, they want to give them semi-autonomy and a semi-independent state but still keep it under Israeli control. No kicking them out here.

As far as Yisrael Beiteinu goes, they actually want a two-state solution (where they kick Israeli-Arabs out and keep Jewish colonies instead). Their line of reasoning goes 'If they can create an arab state devoid of Jews, why should the Jewish state not be devoid of arabs when they refuse to acknowledge the state and be citizens like everyone else?'

And so on.

Dr Dreidel: AIPAC is firmly on the right of Israeli politics,

Again, this is not exactly true. AIPAC spoke in favor of the disengagement, they speak in favor of a two-state solution and so on. They are between Kadima in Likud in terms of pro-Israel views. That is, unlike J-Street, they are an actual pro-Israel lobby group.

Shaggy_C: I was trying to figure out how to troll this into something anti-Israel, but it's just not there. If Hezbollah is implicated in this, they are in the wrong.

Exactly. Its only OK when the US gives billions in military aid to Israel.

I'm not a lawyer, much less an expert in international law, but what can Israel and the international community do here?

Can Iran legally ship those weapons to Hizbollah? Can Israel legally intercept the ship and detain and question the captain and crew?

What about the weapons, can Israel destroy them?

I'm glad that those pointless Obama flamewars are over and we can get back to pointless Israel flamewars.

HotWingConspiracy: If you mean anti-Israel, the answer is no. But I don't feel like you need to show fealty to their assertions to be pro or neutral-Israel, so that's likely where we differ.

Really? I've never seen you say anything positive about Israel, but I've certainly seen you say negative things about Israel. Hmmm.

HotWingConspiracy: I'm just saying the timing is uncanny. You made up the rest.

I didn't "make up the rest", the mere fact that you said that the time is uncanny, you implied it.

Democratic Secularist Omnivore: Hezbollah does plenty wrong, but Israel is a completely benevolent force only interested in peace.

There is absolutely no possibility that the soldier was not actually pointing his rifle at a little boy and it's just a game of angles, right?

vernonFL: I'm not a lawyer, much less an expert in international law, but what can Israel and the international community do here?

Can Iran legally ship those weapons to Hizbollah? Can Israel legally intercept the ship and detain and question the captain and crew?

What about the weapons, can Israel destroy them?

I'm no lawyer either, but I think there are some sanction against Iran in place, particularly on selling guns to terrorist organizations.

Dr Dreidel: keylock71: Hmmmm... whom to believe?

The lying bastards in Hezbollah or the lying bastards in the Israeli government...

That, kinda. I'm more likely to believe a reputable government which doesn't rely on ACTUAL thugs and murderers (as opposed to former commandos and soldiers who marched under a flag and may have had to assault and kill people), but I'm no fool. The Palestinian citizenry doesn't want the endless cycle of bloodshed any more than Israelis do.

c/p'd from a thread a few days ago:

Palestinians live in perpetual victimhood. When Israel was created, their land was taken. In 1967, more of their land was taken. In 1973, even more. No effort was made to repatriate Palestinians to Jordanian, Egyptian, Lebanese, Syrian or even Saudi territory. Where they are now politically, socially and economically is a direct result of having had no proxy in the international community - their leaders thought they'd have a useful bargaining chip in a displaced people, Israel figured the situation would be resolved shortly and the surrounding countries didn't care enough to get involved.

Israelis live in perpetual disconcert. They feel beset by all sides at all times, don't see much help in those who instinctively side with the oppressed, and cannot believe people would legitimize suicide bombings. They want to be regarded just like any other country - free to expand, free to badger their neighbors, free to govern as they please - but cannot be so seen because of the Palestinian problem. Israeli liberals want a fair and just two-state solution, conservatives and other hard-liners want Palestinians out.

Americans and much of the rest of the world increasingly see Israel as a client state of the US. Fair or not, the influence of AIPAC (which disburses no money directly to American politicians, only matches donors with campaigns) is seen as untoward and unfair (when, in actuality, AARP, the NRA, the Moral Majority/Religious Right, AFL-CIO/SEIU and many others have more of a lobbying presence), and AIPAC is blamed for American policy blunders. AIPAC is firmly on the right of Israeli politics, and the American and Israeli lefts are tired of a one-sided lobbying group which walks on only one side of the road.

None of these groups shoulders the majority of the blame for the current mess. Israelis have been much too hard on Palestinians at large (to the detriment of relations with the Palestinian moderates and dismay of centrists and liberals everywhere); Palestinians have been much too hard-line (recognizing Israel's "right to exist" is not something which should need bargaining away) with their demands, and the rest of the world has projected the issues-du-jour on the conflict (it's part of the GWOT!! it's part of the fight against Commies!! it's part of the American expansion into the MidEast!!!).

It's a farked up situation. Diplomatic pressures aren't going to fix it - one day, a charismatic enough Palestinian leader (and yes, I do feel like it'll be from that side) will amass enough support to actually force a change in the leadership's philosophy AND command enough respect on the Israeli/international fronts to make headway.

// don't really care who ends up owning what land, so long as the citizenry can freely move about: Muslims can visit their holy sites and so can Jews

Anti-Semite.

/i keed

Tatsuma: There is absolutely no possibility that the soldier was not actually pointing his rifle at a little boy and it's just a game of angles, right?

Tatsuma: HotWingConspiracy: If you mean anti-Israel, the answer is no. But I don't feel like you need to show fealty to their assertions to be pro or neutral-Israel, so that's likely where we differ.

Really? I've never seen you say anything positive about Israel, but I've certainly seen you say negative things about Israel. Hmmm.

HotWingConspiracy: I'm just saying the timing is uncanny. You made up the rest.

I didn't "make up the rest", the mere fact that you said that the time is uncanny, you implied it.

Democratic Secularist Omnivore: Hezbollah does plenty wrong, but Israel is a completely benevolent force only interested in peace.

There is absolutely no possibility that the soldier was not actually pointing his rifle at a little boy and it's just a game of angles, right?

Sure, its entirely possible. But as always you are deliberately obtuse about never recongizing Israeli abuses, yet you chastise everyone thats critical of Israel.

Democratic Secularist Omnivore: Sure, its entirely possible. But as always you are deliberately obtuse about never recongizing Israeli abuses, yet you chastise everyone thats critical of Israel.

Both are not true. I recognize that Israel certainly is not perfect and messes up, as all Democratic states do.

I also do not 'chastise everyone thats critical of Israel'. Only those who go to far. I'm critical of Israel on plenty of subjects.

Tatsuma: HotWingConspiracy: If you mean anti-Israel, the answer is no. But I don't feel like you need to show fealty to their assertions to be pro or neutral-Israel, so that's likely where we differ.

Really? I've never seen you say anything positive about Israel, but I've certainly seen you say negative things about Israel. Hmmm.

Damn, man. You've read all of my posts? Crazy.

Israel produces wonderful citrus fruit. There ya go. Even Steven.

HotWingConspiracy: I'm just saying the timing is uncanny. You made up the rest.

I didn't "make up the rest", the mere fact that you said that the time is uncanny, you implied it.

I implied that "Israel just had 500 tons of weapons lying, as well as a foreign ship, so they orchestrated all of this in order to make poor Hizbullah look bad." by remarking on the convenient timing? You've got a flair for the dramatic.

Maybe God delivered them this ship. Providence!

Please, let's join hands a pray for a nuke-free middle east.

Tatsuma: There is absolutely no possibility that the soldier was not actually pointing his rifle at a little boy and it's just a game of angles, right?

Little kids, regardless of nationality, are dangerous little disease pits. And he might have been carrying H1N1, which is totally not kosher.

Tatsuma: Democratic states

Offers universal suffrage. Theocratic republics base suffrage on your ethnic and religious heritage.

Israel is no Democratic state, and huge portions of the population under its control have no democratic representation with in its political framework.

HotWingConspiracy: Damn, man. You've read all of my posts? Crazy.

I have a shrine with your picture and your posts on my wall. I also v-log about you.

palelizard: Little kids, regardless of nationality, are dangerous little disease pits. And he might have been carrying H1N1, which is totally not kosher.

Fun story, I think I might have H1N1. But yes, little disease pits indeed.

HotWingConspiracy: Israel seems to stumble on to these arms shipments at really oddly convenient times.

I'm also just a wee bit confused about the legalities here: If Iran is sending Weapons to Lebanon, why do the Israelis have jurisdiction to stop, much less sieze the ship? Perhaps there is a treaty or resolution I'm unaware of, but absent that, their actions meet the legal defintion of piracy no?

Democratic Secularist Omnivore: Exactly. Its only OK when the US gives billions in military aid to Israel.



Israel is a country. Hezbollah is a multinational underground organization. One has a right to a military, the other does not.

Though what we should be discussing is the fact that this arms cache was heading towards Syria. What right did Israel have to intercept it? That is piracy.

Tatsuma: Fun story, I think I might have H1N1. But yes, little disease pits indeed.

Ugh, that's rough. I hope you don't, and if you do, get well soon.

/taboo! non-kosher!!