Don't discount those republican wins in the governor races. Remember when Romney was governor of Mass. and the state became a conservative stronghold in national politics.

Hey Nancy Pelosi. Shut the fark up and don't say another goddamn word until we have a public option.

Yes, the Democrats DID win two Representative seats, and lost none. As the leader of the House of Representatives, I can see why she thinks that last night was a winning night.

FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

Lando Lincoln: Yes, the Democrats DID win two Representative seats, and lost none. As the leader of the House of Representatives, I can see why she thinks that last night was a winning night.

I like to think that until she is ousted from that position, winning is not an option.

Lando Lincoln: Yes, the Democrats DID win two Representative seats, and lost none. As the leader of the House of Representatives, I can see why she thinks that last night was a winning night.

MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

look at your link, that Dem. was elected to the 21st district. Go ahead, click on his name.

MuadDib: Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

The difference is that the Civil War figure is accurate and "since 1993" is not.

Barbigazi: MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

look at your link, that Dem. was elected to the 21st district. Go ahead, click on his name.

Incorrect. He replaced Samuel S. Stratton (^) on the ballot for the 23rd when Stratton became too ill to stay on. He was later redistricted to the 21st.

Scroll down to the bottom of his page that you just suggested we go to. It plainly states that he was a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from New York's 23rd congressional district 1989-1993," and then a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from New York's 21st congressional district January 3, 1993 - January 3, 2009."

BooBoo23: MuadDib: Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

The difference is that the Civil War figure is accurate and "since 1993" is not.



See above.

MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

look at your link, that Dem. was elected to the 21st district. Go ahead, click on his name.

Incorrect. He replaced Samuel S. Stratton (^) on the ballot for the 23rd when Stratton became too ill to stay on. He was later redistricted to the 21st.

Scroll down to the bottom of his page that you just suggested we go to. It plainly states that he was a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from New York's 23rd congressional district 1989-1993," and then a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from New York's 21st congressional district January 3, 1993 - January 3, 2009."

During which time 23 covered a different part of the state that included Albany. Man, you posted this link in two threads but didn't even look into it.

MuadDib: See above.

Uh.. doesn't that mean that the district number changed?

I mean, the 23rd was in the Bronx in 1973.

Barbigazi: During which time 23 covered a different part of the state that included Albany. Man, you posted this link in two threads but didn't even look into it.

He saw a blue name, didn't bother looking into the facts. The fact is that the district, as is today, hasn't elected a Democrat since Lincoln, and such a conservative district firmly rejected the current GOP. That is the story here.

Barbigazi: MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

look at your link, that Dem. was elected to the 21st district. Go ahead, click on his name.

Incorrect. He replaced Samuel S. Stratton (^) on the ballot for the 23rd when Stratton became too ill to stay on. He was later redistricted to the 21st.

Scroll down to the bottom of his page that you just suggested we go to. It plainly states that he was a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from New York's 23rd congressional district 1989-1993," and then a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from New York's 21st congressional district January 3, 1993 - January 3, 2009."

During which time 23 covered a different part of the state that included Albany. Man, you posted this link in two threads but didn't even look into it.

There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

Man, you libs got owned hard this time. I looked at the link and there was clearly a blue name in there. I also saw the numbers 2 and 3 scattered throughout the page as a subliminal reinforcement of the point, along with the letter "D" which was used multiple times.

Give it up guys, you are no match.

MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

look at your link, that Dem. was elected to the 21st district. Go ahead, click on his name.

Incorrect. He replaced Samuel S. Stratton (^) on the ballot for the 23rd when Stratton became too ill to stay on. He was later redistricted to the 21st.

Scroll down to the bottom of his page that you just suggested we go to. It plainly states that he was a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from New York's 23rd congressional district 1989-1993," and then a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from New York's 21st congressional district January 3, 1993 - January 3, 2009."

During which time 23 covered a different part of the state that included Albany. Man, you posted this link in two threads but didn't even look into it.

There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

Now if you can prove that the district covering that area (whatever arbitrary number it had)elected a democrat since the civil war, then you'd have a point.

Unless you are arguing that the people moved with the district number not the numbers moving as population changed in different areas.

MuadDib: There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

Hee hee.

Yes, you win. Here's your cookie.

The 23rd had historically been one of the more Republican districts in the Northeast. The seat had been in Republican hands since 1873, and some portions of the district--including the largest city, Watertown--hadn't been represented by a Democrat since 1851, when the Whig Party still existed.

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MuadDib: There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

There is a geographical region called "northern New York." It was represented by a Republican since reconstruction. Now it is not. This fact is not in dispute. You're arguing about a number. We're arguing about a region.

Mordant: Man, you libs got owned hard this time. I looked at the link and there was clearly a blue name in there. I also saw the numbers 2 and 3 scattered throughout the page as a subliminal reinforcement of the point, along with the letter "D" which was used multiple times.

Give it up guys, you are no match.

Meannie. your gonna make me cry *snif*

Also of interest, if you take the number of letters in the word "Democrat" and add 15 you know what you get ?

Mordant: Also of interest, if you take the number of letters in the word "Democrat" and add 15 you know what you get ?

Hitler?

Barbigazi: MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib:

Now if you can prove that the district covering that area (whatever arbitrary number it had)elected a democrat since the civil war, then you'd have a point.

Unless you are arguing that the people moved with the district number not the numbers moving as population changed in different areas.

We have a word for this game: It's "spin."

The seat has shifted around and the geographical areas it comprises have been parts of several districts over that period. So what? I can gerrymander a district with nothing but cows in it if I try hard enough. The seat is the seat, regardless of the way the politicians shift it about.

MuadDib: The seat is the seat, regardless of the way the politicians shift it about.

We have a word for this game: It's "spin."

Do you think that talking about an arbitrary seat number, or a geographical region, is more meaningful?

Pelosi's words: "it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat." Those are false.

Technically, Pelosi is in fact correct. There was a grand total of one House seat up for grabs. It was unsuccessfully defended, and fell to the Democrats.

Pelosi gained one seat in the House, so yeah, her side of the House won last night.