Hold me closer Tony Danza

Crewmannumber6: Hold me closer Tony Danza

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Crewmannumber6: Hold me closer Tony Danza

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1lastcall: Crewmannumber6: Hold me closer Tony Danza

You've killed the need for this thread to go any further.

Except, it's not that song

Well it is not like the Nats can get any worse

Fark-the-Fnord: Well it is not like the Nats can get any worse

It's also not like you probably know anything about baseball, obviously.

sboyle1020: 1lastcall: Crewmannumber6: Hold me closer Tony Danza

You've killed the need for this thread to go any further.

Except, it's not that song

Yeah, I think we all got that. But the Tony Danza line is just so damn funny; it cracks me up every time, therefore rendering me speech(type?)less.

Crewmannumber6: Hold me closer Tony Danza

My favorite Boobies ever.

dhudd: Fark-the-Fnord: Well it is not like the Nats can get any worse

It's also not like you probably know anything about baseball, obviously.

He had an ERA of 5.74, that is not really that great. So what is your point?

Fark-the-Fnord: dhudd: Fark-the-Fnord: Well it is not like the Nats can get any worse

It's also not like you probably know anything about baseball, obviously.

He had an ERA of 5.74, that is not really that great. So what is your point?

What was his ERA with the Nats; what is his relationship with the younger pitchers as a mentor; how good a hitter is he. He will come a a very reasonable price for what he will bring. You looked at one (bogus) statistic and probably have never seen Livo pitch.

dhudd: What was his ERA with the Nats; what is his relationship with the younger pitchers as a mentor; how good a hitter is he. He will come a a very reasonable price for what he will bring. You looked at one (bogus) statistic and probably have never seen Livo pitch.

He isn't good. The Nationals pitching last year was an abject disaster, so he probably won't make them worse. But the best thing you can say about Livan is that he'll throw a lot of innings and probably won't end up on the DL. They won't be good innings, but they'll be innings.

you have pee hands: dhudd: What was his ERA with the Nats; what is his relationship with the younger pitchers as a mentor; how good a hitter is he. He will come a a very reasonable price for what he will bring. You looked at one (bogus) statistic and probably have never seen Livo pitch.

He isn't good. The Nationals pitching last year was an abject disaster, so he probably won't make them worse. But the best thing you can say about Livan is that he'll throw a lot of innings and probably won't end up on the DL. They won't be good innings, but they'll be innings.

I'd rather they hired him as a coach. I saw him pitch twice last year - neither game was competitive after the 7th. He eats up innings and is rarely hurt, but he's just not that good. The Nats probably could've signed two 5+ inning guys for the same price.

// can't understand why teams don't sign more than one long-relief arm
// I'd rather have 12 3+ inning guys on my staff than 5 5+, 5 2+ and 2 1-inning guys, especially in the National League

He will suck as long as eric gregg is still dead, amazing how that works

What on Earth does it mean to return to the Nationals TODAY? Wasn't their season over a month ago?

Dr Dreidel: you have pee hands: dhudd: // can't understand why teams don't sign more than one long-relief arm
// I'd rather have 12 3+ inning guys on my staff than 5 5+, 5 2+ and 2 1-inning guys, especially in the National League

i dunno maybe it has something to do with 25 man rosters.

you have pee hands: dhudd: What was his ERA with the Nats; what is his relationship with the younger pitchers as a mentor; how good a hitter is he. He will come a a very reasonable price for what he will bring. You looked at one (bogus) statistic and probably have never seen Livo pitch.

He isn't good. The Nationals pitching last year was an abject disaster, so he probably won't make them worse. But the best thing you can say about Livan is that he'll throw a lot of innings and probably won't end up on the DL. They won't be good innings, but they'll be innings.

I'm just guessing that Rizzo probably is a better judge of baseball talent than you are. Soupy Sales probably is a better judge of baseball talent than you are. You are the Sarah Palin of judging baseball talent.

Fark-the-Fnord: dhudd: Fark-the-Fnord: Well it is not like the Nats can get any worse

It's also not like you probably know anything about baseball, obviously.

He had an ERA of 5.74, that is not really that great. So what is your point?

It says it right there in the article that his ERA dropped .11 points while with the Nats. While that is OK, that still only makes it only a 5.63 ERA when the league average is about a full point lower.

And Jesus
Wants a bigger penis
He'll take Livan from behind
Take a baloon and go sailing
While Livan slowly, slowly cries

dhudd: You looked at one (bogus) statistic and probably have never seen Livo pitch.

You think ERA is a bogus statistic? I question your knowledge of pitching. ERA is about the single best measurement of a pitchers success. It sure as hell isn't wins and losses.

He has a career ERA of 4.45...His ERA with the Nats this year was 5.36, so yes, he pitched a whole 0.08 better as a Nats than he did overall in 2009. That is huge.

He is an inning eater, but if you are looking to win, he is not a good addition at this point in his career.

Unless you are going to bring that fat dead POS Eric Gregg back to umpire all his games behind the plate that is.

dhudd: I'm just guessing that Rizzo probably is a better judge of baseball talent than you are. Soupy Sales probably is a better judge of baseball talent than you are. You are the Sarah Palin of judging baseball talent.

I'm pretty sure I could put together a 55 win baseball team for $60M a year, if you spot me Ryan Zimmerman.

Livan is simply not good and hasn't been for quite a while. There's no reasonable counterargument.

Fark-the-Fnord: Fark-the-Fnord: dhudd: Fark-the-Fnord: Well it is not like the Nats can get any worse

It's also not like you probably know anything about baseball, obviously.

He had an ERA of 5.74, that is not really that great. So what is your point?

It says it right there in the article that his ERA dropped .11 points while with the Nats. While that is OK, that still only makes it only a 5.63 ERA when the league average is about a full point lower.

Ok, I get your point, except that he pitched a couple of games where he was basically thrown to the dogs to work some innings and it blew up what would have otherwise been only an average, bad, ERA. The ERA isn't really my point; he's a GREAT clubhouse guy to have around to teach the younger guys how to PITCH. He's also close to the best hitting pitcher in baseball (the Chicago guy is better). Of the starts he made with the Nats, 2/3 were what is now considered a quality start in baseball (3 runs in 6 innings).

Frankly, I enjoy watching him pitch more than about 95% of the pitchers in baseball because, well, he pitches.

He will be a valuable member of the team; and the team will be much better next year - probably win 70 games.

srhp29: dhudd: You looked at one (bogus) statistic and probably have never seen Livo pitch.

You think ERA is a bogus statistic? I question your knowledge of pitching. ERA is about the single best measurement of a pitchers success. It sure as hell isn't wins and losses.

He has a career ERA of 4.45...His ERA with the Nats this year was 5.36, so yes, he pitched a whole 0.08 better as a Nats than he did overall in 2009. That is huge.

He is an inning eater, but if you are looking to win, he is not a good addition at this point in his career.

Unless you are going to bring that fat dead POS Eric Gregg back to umpire all his games behind the plate that is.

Actually, the ratio of strikes thrown versus balls thrown tends to be a better measurement. Again, if you take away the two games that he got bombed and took the hit by pitching more innings than he would have in a normal situation, the ERA get's much better (he didn't pitch that many games for the Nats) and I would bet my ranch (30 acres in Stafford County, worth about 1M) that Rizzo knows more about judging baseball talent than you do.

srhp29: Unless you are going to bring that fat dead POS Eric Gregg back to umpire all his games behind the plate that is.

HEY! Dont steal my line!

cinterclawz: Dr Dreidel: you have pee hands: dhudd: // can't understand why teams don't sign more than one long-relief arm
// I'd rather have 12 3+ inning guys on my staff than 5 5+, 5 2+ and 2 1-inning guys, especially in the National League

i dunno maybe it has something to do with 25 man rosters.

In April 2009, the Washington Post reported that the Nats had 4 starters and 7 bullpen guys = 11 pitchers. I suggested 12 pitchers (meaning one less bench hitter).

11 guys who can all pitch at least 3-4 innings would manhandle teams in the NL - no worrying about the pitcher batting, because he only will once or twice a game. You also wouldn't have to worry about "roles" as much. I guess the big drawback is that you'd use up your pinch hitters by the 9th inning, so if the game went long...

steamingpile: HEY! Dont steal my line!

This is a topic (Eric Gregg) I KNOW we can agree fully on.

dhudd: Actually, the ratio of strikes thrown versus balls thrown tends to be a better measurement.

You are kidding me right? I could go out and throw a 7-3 ratio strikes (at least that's about what it used to be) to balls and I would get rocked by MLB batters.

dhudd: srhp29: dhudd: You looked at one (bogus) statistic and probably have never seen Livo pitch.

You think ERA is a bogus statistic? I question your knowledge of pitching. ERA is about the single best measurement of a pitchers success. It sure as hell isn't wins and losses.

He has a career ERA of 4.45...His ERA with the Nats this year was 5.36, so yes, he pitched a whole 0.08 better as a Nats than he did overall in 2009. That is huge.

He is an inning eater, but if you are looking to win, he is not a good addition at this point in his career.

Unless you are going to bring that fat dead POS Eric Gregg back to umpire all his games behind the plate that is.

Actually, the ratio of strikes thrown versus balls thrown tends to be a better measurement. Again, if you take away the two games that he got bombed and took the hit by pitching more innings than he would have in a normal situation, the ERA get's much better (he didn't pitch that many games for the Nats) and I would bet my ranch (30 acres in Stafford County, worth about 1M) that Rizzo knows more about judging baseball talent than you do.

Look up Cliff Lee and find out what a good pitcher looks like

Talking Heads?

Fark-the-Fnord: dhudd: srhp29: dhudd: You looked at one (bogus) statistic and probably have never seen Livo pitch.

You think ERA is a bogus statistic? I question your knowledge of pitching. ERA is about the single best measurement of a pitchers success. It sure as hell isn't wins and losses.

He has a career ERA of 4.45...His ERA with the Nats this year was 5.36, so yes, he pitched a whole 0.08 better as a Nats than he did overall in 2009. That is huge.

He is an inning eater, but if you are looking to win, he is not a good addition at this point in his career.

Unless you are going to bring that fat dead POS Eric Gregg back to umpire all his games behind the plate that is.

Actually, the ratio of strikes thrown versus balls thrown tends to be a better measurement. Again, if you take away the two games that he got bombed and took the hit by pitching more innings than he would have in a normal situation, the ERA get's much better (he didn't pitch that many games for the Nats) and I would bet my ranch (30 acres in Stafford County, worth about 1M) that Rizzo knows more about judging baseball talent than you do.

Look up Cliff Lee and find out what a good pitcher looks like

Cliff Lee, the one who struck out 10 and walked 0? Strike out's to walks; same thing. But you know more than Rizzo, so don't let me confuse you.

Oh, and one other thing: Thomas Boswell, the Washington Post writer, who most folks consider to be one of the most knowledgeable baseball folks around, touted this signing in late September. He also knows more about baseball than the above naysayers. This is a good signing.

I heard this song the other day.

You ever noticed that he says Livan sells cartoon balloons? Does anyone else think that means heroin?

dhudd:
Cliff Lee, the one who struck out 10 and walked 0? Strike out's to walks; same thing. But you know more than Rizzo, so don't let me confuse you.

Strikeouts to walks are the same thing as strikes to balls? That's rich. Anyway, even if it were true, Livan Hernandez was 70th of 75 qualified starters for percentage of pitches thrown in the strike zone last season. He was 72nd of 75 for generating swinging strikes. His K/BB ratio was 71st of 75. His ERA was 75th of 75. So you'd better hope he's better next year than he was last year.

dhudd: Strike out's to walks; same thing.

Keep showing that you should not be listened to. I don't care what some local media guy says. I have been following/playing/watching baseball for years. I have a pretty good handle on things.

Hernandez is a good signing if you just need a guy to eat up innings and you don't care about winning baseball games now.

Livan Hernandez has been terrible for forever, what the hell are you guys talking about?

you have pee hands: dhudd:
Cliff Lee, the one who struck out 10 and walked 0? Strike out's to walks; same thing. But you know more than Rizzo, so don't let me confuse you.

Strikeouts to walks are the same thing as strikes to balls? That's rich. Anyway, even if it were true, Livan Hernandez was 70th of 75 qualified starters for percentage of pitches thrown in the strike zone last season. He was 72nd of 75 for generating swinging strikes. His K/BB ratio was 71st of 75. His ERA was 75th of 75. So you'd better hope he's better next year than he was last year.

Well, I'm glad that you know more than Rizzo.

dhudd:
Well, I'm glad that you know more than Rizzo.

Do you really only have one line?

Hernandez is fine if you want a guy to throw 170 innings with a 5.5 ERA next year. The Nationals aren't going to be good next year anyway, so as long as the contract's cheap it's not a big deal. That's probably Rizzo's line of thinking. But if you're expecting anything like a league average starter, you're nuts.

srhp29: dhudd: Strike out's to walks; same thing.

Keep showing that you should not be listened to. I don't care what some local media guy says. I have been following/playing/watching baseball for years. I have a pretty good handle on things.

Hernandez is a good signing if you just need a guy to eat up innings and you don't care about winning baseball games now.

The Nats need him to eat innings and teach the younger pitchers how to be pitchers and not throwers. That's what I said in the Boobies essentially. You are stupid anyway, Rizzo told me so.

And Boswell is not a local media guy; that shows me you know nothing about baseball writers.

Go back to your mom's basement and play fantasy baseball jerk.

I see you reading comprehension is at a 6th grade level.

drewkumo: I heard this song the other day.

You ever noticed that he says Livan sells cartoon balloons? Does anyone else think that means heroin?

Not at all. Levon, actually refers to Levon Helm who was the drummer for 'The Band', whom John and Taupin really liked...

srhp29: Hernandez is a good signing if you just need a guy to eat up innings and you don't care about winning baseball games now.

Any GM or owner who sees things this way should be fired. And MLB should prevent them from ever holding an ownership stake again.

"Doesn't care about winning baseball games", are you farking kidding me? For the amount of money patrons, taxpayers and governments spend to bring franchises in, they damn well BETTER be trying!! Re-tooling for next year means building up a good core of guys, not tanking a season just to give them reps (I'm thinking that's what you meant).

And no, Hernandez is not good. He had one "good" statistical year in Florida, the rest are mediocre at best; he got 2 "token" All-Star votes ('04 and '05 with the Expos/Nats; a "token" player from a shiatty team). He led the league in IP (3 times 2003-5) and CGs ('04-5), but that's not a measure of how good he is - again, he can eat up innings. With a 4.45 career ERA, a 1.45 career WHIP and a BAA close to .290, I'd rather have 2 half-decent middle relievers pitch instead.

// not Cooperstown bound
// MFer made $5M last year for almost-mediocrity

dhudd: srhp29: dhudd: Strike out's to walks; same thing.

Keep showing that you should not be listened to. I don't care what some local media guy says. I have been following/playing/watching baseball for years. I have a pretty good handle on things.

Hernandez is a good signing if you just need a guy to eat up innings and you don't care about winning baseball games now.

The Nats need him to eat innings and teach the younger pitchers how to be pitchers and not throwers. That's what I said in the Boobies essentially. You are stupid anyway, Rizzo told me so.

And Boswell is not a local media guy; that shows me you know nothing about baseball writers.

Go back to your mom's basement and play fantasy baseball jerk.

I see you reading comprehension is at a 6th grade level.

How about you judge Livan based on the 23 starts he made with the Mets last year, and not on the 8 (8! You're going to claim that he's the man based on 8 starts, 2 of which sucked!) he made with the Nats.

He'll give you 13 or so great starts, and then tank. And by tank, I don't mean eat innings. It's hard to eat innings when you get knocked out in the third.

I love the guy, but he just doesn't have it anymore to pitch effectively for a full season.

And the fact that you're going off on people for not loving the signing of Livan freakin' Hernandez is downright hilarious.

/saw him pitch more last year than you.
//so be quiet.

dhudd: He's also close to the best hitting pitcher in baseball (the Chicago guy is better).

I think Micah Owings, Yovani Gallardo and Jason Marquis are far better hitters also. CC is pretty good too.

Yeah thanks for that gem of an outing in Game 7 of the 2002 World Series, jackass.

/still bitter at him and Felix Rodriguez
//oh and Dusty Baker
///and fark that damn rally monkey

dhudd: And Boswell is not a local media guy; that shows me you know nothing about baseball writers.

You called him a Washington Post writer? You are right though, I am not in tune with many baseball writers. I don't need them to tell me what I should think. I have a mind of my own.

These are the same people that vote for the HOF? Yeah, in general, they are a joke.

Dafatone: And the fact that you're going off on people for not loving the signing of Livan freakin' Hernandez is downright hilarious.

Hey, if having a guy who has been a .500 pitcher or worse 8 of his 14 years in the league and has a Godly career ERA somewhere in the mid fours is good for the team, it is good for the team.

We are talking about the Nationals. I think I was forgetting that.

An 8-15 guy next year will actually have a higher winning pct than the team, so maybe the guy is right about this being a good signing.

sboyle1020: drewkumo: I heard this song the other day.

You ever noticed that he says Livan sells cartoon balloons? Does anyone else think that means heroin?

Not at all. Levon, actually refers to Levon Helm who was the drummer for 'The Band', whom John and Taupin really liked...

I wondered if he was talking about Helm. That guy is an amazing musician, "They Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and "Ophelia". Great songs, and its amazing he can go on those drums and still keep such power and length in his vocals.

I have never encountered so many people with reading comprehension difficulties since I had to deliver a microwave to my wife's 7th grade remedial language arts class last year. Farking A, I NEVER said Livo was going to be a great pitcher; I said it was a good signing because he is going to help the young pitchers become pitchers instead of throwers. He's the coach-by-example guy for next year. If we have a good season we win 70 games. For that team, he is a good signing. He would not be a good sign for any team that thinks it has a realistic chance to have a winning season.

Do all you people have lead in your water?

It's like running into freepers at a Unitarian Church.

drewkumo: sboyle1020: drewkumo: I heard this song the other day.

You ever noticed that he says Livan sells cartoon balloons? Does anyone else think that means heroin?

Not at all. Levon, actually refers to Levon Helm who was the drummer for 'The Band', whom John and Taupin really liked...

I wondered if he was talking about Helm. That guy is an amazing musician, "They Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and "Ophelia". Great songs, and its amazing he can go on those drums and still keep such power and length in his vocals.

Agreed, though he had throat cancer and hasn't been the same. Turned into a more of a folk singer.

sboyle1020: drewkumo: sboyle1020: drewkumo: I heard this song the other day.

You ever noticed that he says Livan sells cartoon balloons? Does anyone else think that means heroin?

Not at all. Levon, actually refers to Levon Helm who was the drummer for 'The Band', whom John and Taupin really liked...

I wondered if he was talking about Helm. That guy is an amazing musician, "They Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and "Ophelia". Great songs, and its amazing he can go on those drums and still keep such power and length in his vocals.

Agreed, though he had throat cancer and hasn't been the same. Turned into a more of a folk singer.

My favorite Band songs were Whispering Pines and The Weight.

dhudd: I have never encountered so many people with reading comprehension difficulties since I had to deliver a microwave to my wife's 7th grade remedial language arts class last year. Farking A, I NEVER said Livo was going to be a great pitcher; I said it was a good signing because he is going to help the young pitchers become pitchers instead of throwers. He's the coach-by-example guy for next year. If we have a good season we win 70 games. For that team, he is a good signing. He would not be a good sign for any team that thinks it has a realistic chance to have a winning season.

Do all you people have lead in your water?

It's like running into freepers at a Unitarian Church.

Along the way, you made sure to throw out a bunch of baseless insults and make claims that were objectively false. But as long as you're married to someone who's used to remedial education I'm sure you'll eventually turn out okay.

dhudd: sboyle1020: drewkumo: sboyle1020: drewkumo: I heard this song the other day.

You ever noticed that he says Livan sells cartoon balloons? Does anyone else think that means heroin?

Not at all. Levon, actually refers to Levon Helm who was the drummer for 'The Band', whom John and Taupin really liked...

I wondered if he was talking about Helm. That guy is an amazing musician, "They Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and "Ophelia". Great songs, and its amazing he can go on those drums and still keep such power and length in his vocals.

Agreed, though he had throat cancer and hasn't been the same. Turned into a more of a folk singer.

My favorite Band songs were Whispering Pines and The Weight.

The Weight is an awesome tune...and written about a town not far from where I live. Nazareth, PA...