Both.

It would be nice if we ever see real reform but the Beltway idiots won't do anything except line the pockets of special interests.

Redundant subby is redundant.

Bestbank Tiger: Both.

Yep

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True, but the corrupt ones are against a public option or single payer.

Health care reform: Socialism or Grandma killing? For more on this story, we turn to our unbiased reporter, Sarah Palin.

You repeated yourself there, submitter.

Bestbank Tiger: Both.

It would be nice if we ever see real reform but the Beltway idiots won't do anything except line the pockets of special interests.

I came in here to say pretty much this. But at least with THIS particular corruption, it may actually benefit us to a small degree.

well it's democrat backed...so i'm going with government corruption

FTA 'For those who oppose the Public Option, more easily understood as "Medicare for all," one has to consider why anyone would be against it?'

Ok, I see where this is going. I would be happy with "Medicare for all". The Public Option is not even close.

/Socialism!

Response to this article should be telling.

there is no such thing as gov't spending that is in some way not corrupt

regardless of party, anything coming out of washington is corrupt

and because of that... it's politics as usual

You said rape twice.

Just give us a single-payer system and be done with it. Oh that's right, we can't because we're spending billions in Iraq. Silly me.

dudemanbro: Just give us a single-payer system and be done with it. Oh that's right, we can't because we're spending billions in Iraq. Silly me.

ok, so wait until we leave Iraq before trying to reform healthcare?

Amerika's government is riddled with corruption through and through. The only way there will ever be any REAL change is through blood shed. Massive blood shed. But since that will never ever happen, the wifey and I are getting the f*ck outa dodge while the getting is good.
Sad. I missed the America my pop and grandpop used to talk about. I never got to see it, and never will.

earth: Amerika's government is riddled with corruption through and through. The only way there will ever be any REAL change is through blood shed. Massive blood shed. But since that will never ever happen, the wifey and I are getting the f*ck outa dodge while the getting is good.
Sad. I missed the America my pop and grandpop used to talk about. I never got to see it, and never will.

See ya. Don't let America's door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

earth: Amerika's government is riddled with corruption through and through. The only way there will ever be any REAL change is through blood shed. Massive blood shed. But since that will never ever happen, the wifey and I are getting the f*ck outa dodge while the getting is good.
Sad. I missed the America my pop and grandpop used to talk about. I never got to see it, and never will.

Yeah, the days of your pop and grandpop. Great days.

AdamK,
ok, so wait until we leave Iraq before trying to reform healthcare?

Sounds about right.

AdamK: dudemanbro: Just give us a single-payer system and be done with it. Oh that's right, we can't because we're spending billions in Iraq. Silly me.

ok, so wait until we leave Iraq before trying to reform healthcare?

If we want to have anything resembling an economy... yeah. (also: sadly)

/single payer ftw.

It would figure douche bags like you would still wave the flag.
Too stupid to think for yourselves, too stupid to see what is in front of your eyes everyday. Too stupid to put and end to what is one of the most corrupt, heavy handed, out-for-it-all governments in the history of the modern world.
I thought to myself I should stay and 'fight', but for what reasons? For a free America for douche bags like you? F*ck you.
American's claim that 'this is the greatest nation on earth', but it's not. Anyone with half an I.Q. point can see that. We as a nation allow our government to spread it's poisonous hands across the globe with our own ignorance, our own misplaced self superiority, and our own personal greed for things such as SUVs and flat screen TVs.
Why would we spend over 600 BILLION dollars on defense for ONE year, and argue endlessly about 90 billion over 10 years for health care.?
Why does America poison South American civilians in our efforts to curb OUR need for cocaine, invade a country ILLEGALLY under the guises of freeing it's population/WMDs? Why were there more Blackwater people in country in Iraq than our own soldiers? Water boarding, monetary manipulation on a global scale, illegally detaining without legal representation, the Patriot Act and NSA wiretapping, CIA operating on American soil, loading the FDA with lobbyists from the very companies they are supposed to be policing?
The list goes on and on and on and on.
If you are too stupid to see that your country is NOT what it says it is, what we the people say we want it to be, and what every other country can see plainly from outside our little box, then don't get all pissy with someone who can see it.
Like I said, it's not worth the effort to save it for assholes and douche bags such as yourselves.
R.I.P. Amerika.

^^^^Socialism took away his ability to use paragraphs =(

earth: It would figure douche bags like you would still wave the flag.
Too stupid to think for yourselves, too stupid to see what is in front of your eyes everyday. Too stupid to put and end to what is one of the most corrupt, heavy handed, out-for-it-all governments in the history of the modern world.
I thought to myself I should stay and 'fight', but for what reasons? For a free America for douche bags like you? F*ck you.
American's claim that 'this is the greatest nation on earth', but it's not. Anyone with half an I.Q. point can see that. We as a nation allow our government to spread it's poisonous hands across the globe with our own ignorance, our own misplaced self superiority, and our own personal greed for things such as SUVs and flat screen TVs.
Why would we spend over 600 BILLION dollars on defense for ONE year, and argue endlessly about 90 billion over 10 years for health care.?
Why does America poison South American civilians in our efforts to curb OUR need for cocaine, invade a country ILLEGALLY under the guises of freeing it's population/WMDs? Why were there more Blackwater people in country in Iraq than our own soldiers? Water boarding, monetary manipulation on a global scale, illegally detaining without legal representation, the Patriot Act and NSA wiretapping, CIA operating on American soil, loading the FDA with lobbyists from the very companies they are supposed to be policing?
The list goes on and on and on and on.
If you are too stupid to see that your country is NOT what it says it is, what we the people say we want it to be, and what every other country can see plainly from outside our little box, then don't get all pissy with someone who can see it.
Like I said, it's not worth the effort to save it for assholes and douche bags such as yourselves.
R.I.P. Amerika.

lighten up francis

earth: It would figure douche bags like you would still wave the flag.
Too stupid to think for yourselves, too stupid to see what is in front of your eyes everyday. Too stupid to put and end to what is one of the most corrupt, heavy handed, out-for-it-all governments in the history of the modern world.
I thought to myself I should stay and 'fight', but for what reasons? For a free America for douche bags like you? F*ck you.
American's claim that 'this is the greatest nation on earth', but it's not. Anyone with half an I.Q. point can see that. We as a nation allow our government to spread it's poisonous hands across the globe with our own ignorance, our own misplaced self superiority, and our own personal greed for things such as SUVs and flat screen TVs.
Why would we spend over 600 BILLION dollars on defense for ONE year, and argue endlessly about 90 billion over 10 years for health care.?
Why does America poison South American civilians in our efforts to curb OUR need for cocaine, invade a country ILLEGALLY under the guises of freeing it's population/WMDs? Why were there more Blackwater people in country in Iraq than our own soldiers? Water boarding, monetary manipulation on a global scale, illegally detaining without legal representation, the Patriot Act and NSA wiretapping, CIA operating on American soil, loading the FDA with lobbyists from the very companies they are supposed to be policing?
The list goes on and on and on and on.
If you are too stupid to see that your country is NOT what it says it is, what we the people say we want it to be, and what every other country can see plainly from outside our little box, then don't get all pissy with someone who can see it.
Like I said, it's not worth the effort to save it for assholes and douche bags such as yourselves.
R.I.P. Amerika.

Dude, I want to speak to you clearly and coherently, but I can't because I'm kinda farked up on painkillers and bourbon. So what I'm going to do is to tell you to reel it in a little bit and try again with a tad more control, because honestly? I can't tell what the hell you're going for here.

In all seriousness, I think we're on the same page (again, bourbon and painkillers) but I really don't know. Maybe relax a bit with the hyperbole, and try again. That said, I think I like where you're going with this, so don't back down, people probably need to here this.

Good god, I'm as incoherent as you.

Screw it, people are retarded, roll with it.

earth: It would figure douche bags like you would still wave the flag.
Too stupid to think for yourselves, too stupid to see what is in front of your eyes everyday. Too stupid to put and end to what is one of the most corrupt, heavy handed, out-for-it-all governments in the history of the modern world.
I thought to myself I should stay and 'fight', but for what reasons? For a free America for douche bags like you? F*ck you.
American's claim that 'this is the greatest nation on earth', but it's not. Anyone with half an I.Q. point can see that. We as a nation allow our government to spread it's poisonous hands across the globe with our own ignorance, our own misplaced self superiority, and our own personal greed for things such as SUVs and flat screen TVs.
Why would we spend over 600 BILLION dollars on defense for ONE year, and argue endlessly about 90 billion over 10 years for health care.?
Why does America poison South American civilians in our efforts to curb OUR need for cocaine, invade a country ILLEGALLY under the guises of freeing it's population/WMDs? Why were there more Blackwater people in country in Iraq than our own soldiers? Water boarding, monetary manipulation on a global scale, illegally detaining without legal representation, the Patriot Act and NSA wiretapping, CIA operating on American soil, loading the FDA with lobbyists from the very companies they are supposed to be policing?
The list goes on and on and on and on.
If you are too stupid to see that your country is NOT what it says it is, what we the people say we want it to be, and what every other country can see plainly from outside our little box, then don't get all pissy with someone who can see it.
Like I said, it's not worth the effort to save it for assholes and douche bags such as yourselves.
R.I.P. Amerika.

You're forgetting that every country sucks in some way. Humanity in general is farked up, not just America. Look at Japan, Brazil, South Africa, Spain, Mexico, Russia, or Iceland and anyone can figure that out.

The question is, what are you going to do once you know, and how are you going to make your current situation better?