No, they really don't mean a lot. Creigh Deeds has run a shiat campaign, New Jersey is all over the farking place and would never vote a Republican to national office, and NY-23 is a complete electoral clusterfark.

Dude, the WHARBLGARBL trolly-ness of the Politics tab is getting to be a bit much. Fark, your Kentucky is showing.

pro-tip: If you get outraged about EVERYTHING, no one takes you serious about ANYTHING

there are lots of dial positions between 1 and 10

According to Bono, rock is dead/dying, so that's bad news for Obama.

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If Corzine loses NJ, there is serious egg on Obama's face.

If a conservative politician gets elected in a small district that always elects conservative politicians, it will change everything. Palin Power!

ps69: If a conservative politician gets elected in a small district that always elects conservative politicians, it will change everything. Palin Power!

Jersey?

amazing_live_seamonkeys: .

DAMN YOU

Oh they mean plenty. Republicans are losing their party.

soy_bomb: If Corzine loses NJ, there is serious egg on Obama's face.

If republicans gain any ground after what we've seen, we should all be ashamed.

amazing_live_seamonkeys: .

Better one.

Arugula doesn't appear in the article either.

Like the fact that a conservative candidate backed by much of the Republican orthodoxy is poised to win a district (NY-23) that hasn't put a democrat into office since 1886, is telling of a drop in support for Obama at the national level?

As Fishy Fred points out, governor's races are seldom tied to national issues and anyone can point to numerous states which routinely elect governors from a different party than the president the state voted for in the last election.

Shryke: amazing_live_seamonkeys: .

DAMN YOU

Low hanging fruit and all that.

FishyFred: No, they really don't mean a lot. Creigh Deeds has run a shiat campaign, New Jersey is all over the farking place and would never vote a Republican to national office, and NY-23 is a complete electoral clusterfark.

You need some cheese to go with your whine.

soy_bomb: If Corzine loses NJ, there is serious egg on Obama's face.

Corzine's approval numbers have been in the tank since at least the budget crisis a few years ago. Obama can only do so much.

Did you know that Virginia has never elected a governor the same party as the president? It's true.

They don't mean anything.

FiveThirtyEight has a pretty good analysis of why such races mean very little as predictors of Presidential or Congressional ballots.

That having been said, I will be equally disappointed if the White House postures a Democrat win as relevant, as I will the other way around.

Trey Le Parc: You need some cheese to go with your whine.

I grew up in New Jersey, 18 years. Then I left home and went to college in D.C., where I've now lived for four-plus years. I know what I'm talking about.

FishyFred: No, they really don't mean a lot. Creigh Deeds has run a shiat campaign, New Jersey is all over the farking place and would never vote a Republican to national office, and NY-23 is a complete electoral clusterfark.

What? NJ was republican up until 1988. Besides burbs always vote red. It's also a swing state for the governor office traditionally. Dem gets in, people get pissed vote in a Republican, pissed off at him vote a Dem...back and forth.

The republican party means nothing... Fiscal and Social Conservatism is what matters.

Personally, I would like to see political parties outlawed and let people run on what THEY believe in as opposed to their party!

Psumek: What? NJ was republican up until 1988. Besides burbs always vote red.

New Jersey is a massively different place today. Newark is dark blue and the suburban split is pretty close. I chalk this up to a few significant Jewish population centers, proximity to major cities, positive experiences with public schools, and a complete and utter disaster of a state Republican party.

wet_dream: Personally, I would like to see political parties outlawed

You get on that. First you need to amended the constitution.

Phil Herup: "The President and I think the American public is quite stupid and
they will actually believe our bullshiat day in and day out."

Based on the polls, the American People are not beleiving in all the Hope & Change BS anymore.

Phil Herup: "The President and I think the American public is quite stupid and
they will actually believe our bullshiat day in and day out."


Fake quotes. Perhaps a new low for you. Naw, you've gone lower.

lawboy87: Like the fact that a conservative candidate backed by much of the Republican orthodoxy is poised to win a district (NY-23) that hasn't put a democrat into office since 1886, is telling of a drop in support for Obama at the national level?

As Fishy Fred points out, governor's races are seldom tied to national issues and anyone can point to numerous states which routinely elect governors from a different party than the president the state voted for in the last election.

It's all a matter of appearances. Imagine if the Titanic hadn't gone down bow first, and instead went down nice and level. You could have convinced everyone that things were fine, no reason to panic, just go back to the party.

Until the icy cold water lapped up at their feet, that is.

DarnoKonrad: wet_dream: Personally, I would like to see political parties outlawed

You get on that. First you need to amended the constitution.

Ok, I'll bite. Why would we need to amended (sic) the Constitution to eliminate political parties?

wet_dream: The republican party means nothing... Fiscal and Social Conservatism is what matters.

Thumbs up, brah!

The_Six_Fingered_Man: DarnoKonrad: wet_dream: Personally, I would like to see political parties outlawed

You get on that. First you need to amended the constitution.

Ok, I'll bite. Why would we need to amended (sic) the Constitution to eliminate political parties?

Freedom of assembly?

The_Six_Fingered_Man: DarnoKonrad: wet_dream: Personally, I would like to see political parties outlawed

You get on that. First you need to amended the constitution.

Ok, I'll bite. Why would we need to amended (sic) the Constitution to eliminate political parties?

Freedom of association under peaceable assembly.

wet_dream: Phil Herup: "The President and I think the American public is quite stupid and
they will actually believe our bullshiat day in and day out."

Based on the polls, the American People are not beleiving in all the Hope & Change BS anymore.

Link to said polls?

Obama campaigns in NJ and VA on several occasions because they are meaningless races. That is what we are to believe.

Even partisan democrats can smell that B/S.

Meanwhile in NY 23, the republicans are losing a seat they have held since the civil war. Yet somehow this is good for the republican party.

Gangway Fathead: Did you know that Virginia has never elected a governor the same party as the president? It's true.

Not never, but it has been a damn long time.

amazing_live_seamonkeys: amazing_live_seamonkeys: .

Better one.

Does this mean you predict a big Republican win in 2010?

DarnoKonrad: The_Six_Fingered_Man: DarnoKonrad: wet_dream: Personally, I would like to see political parties outlawed

You get on that. First you need to amended the constitution.

Ok, I'll bite. Why would we need to amended (sic) the Constitution to eliminate political parties?

Freedom of association under peaceable assembly.

Touche, but since when have conventions from either side been peaceable?

The righties are somehow subsisting on little chicken bones and leaves these days.

Oh well, the pendulum will swing sooner or later as it always does.

White House Press Secretary says today's elections really don't mean a lot. Unless, of course, the Democrats win and then it is an affirmation of President Obama's agenda and the fact that he is a "pop tart"

FTFY

Republicans are saying the exact same thing, only flip the parties.

1. VA has voted opposite of the WH every election since Carter.

2. Corzine is at a 34% approval rating, and is still neck and neck with the republxan alternative.

3. NY23 has gone GOP for over 150 years.

4. CA10 isn't even close.

Did you guys even know there was a CA special election today?

Tyee: Obama campaigns in NJ and VA on several occasions because they are meaningless races. That is what we are to believe.

Nobody's saying they're meaningless. The point is that they aren't good indicators of a change in the national mood.

Besides, I think everyone knows that was typical stumping. The White House knows what virtually everyone else following these races knows.

TheJoeY: wet_dream: Phil Herup: "The President and I think the American public is quite stupid and
they will actually believe our bullshiat day in and day out."

Based on the polls, the American People are not beleiving in all the Hope & Change BS anymore.

Link to said polls?

Overall

Health

Economy

The Homer Tax: Did you guys even know there was a CA special election today?

Not until I read it on 538 this morning.

The Homer Tax: Republicans are saying the exact same thing, only flip the parties.

1. VA has voted opposite of the WH every election since Carter.

2. Corzine is at a 34% approval rating, and is still neck and neck with the republxan alternative.

3. NY23 has gone GOP for over 150 years.

4. CA10 isn't even close.

Did you guys even know there was a CA special election today?

I did only because I live in the 10th. Harmer has no chance. This district is gerrymandered just like most other districts in California. Garamendi, even though he doesn't live here (yet), will take the seat, despite all the work I (and others) have done for Harmer.

FTA: where conservative Doug Hoffman forced GOP establishment candidate Dede Scozzafava out of the race

Scozzafava on "force": (new window)
"The amount of hate and lies and the deceitfulness," she said. "I don't believe that should be the characteristics that define the Republican Party. I think people should be allowed to have discussions and reasonable disagreements. But this was a full frontal assault on me personally and politically, for weeks."

"There was a man from Oregon," she said. "We talked for half an hour. In the beginning, he just started lecturing me on the Bible, lecturing me on sin, on liberalism. Finally, I said, 'How about honesty? How about telling the truth?'"

The Homer Tax: Did you guys even know there was a CA special election today?

That one doesn't fit the narrative they are trying to push.

Phil Herup: "The President and I think the American public is quite stupid and
they will actually believe our bullshiat day in and day out."

:Ari_Fleischer.jpg:

FTFY

The Homer Tax: Republicans are saying the exact same thing, only flip the parties.

1. VA has voted opposite of the WH every election since Carter.

2. Corzine is at a 34% approval rating, and is still neck and neck with the republxan alternative.

3. NY23 has gone GOP for over 150 years.

4. CA10 isn't even close.

Did you guys even know there was a CA special election today?

Without delving into any issues of his good decisions or faults, does anyone else think it's sad that a 48 year old man is my generation's rock star?

/Gen Y
// fark I hate that name

*yawn* Isn't this the same every farking time?

If your party wins: it's a huge mandate to do whatever you want. Obviously The People have given you permission and will accept whatever you say.

If your party loses: it's meaningless - some minor backwater held an election and the moron voters got hoodwinked.

HotWingConspiracy: The Homer Tax: Did you guys even know there was a CA special election today?

That one doesn't fit the narrative they are trying to push.

*ding*