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With respect to The Clash and The Sex Pistols, here's The MC5 getting the punk rock rolling



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aiiee
2009-11-02 10:31:13 PM


Too bad this is the same youtube vid that's been posted here many times. If anybody is interested the Cd 'Kick Out The Jams' is great. Remember this was the 'good' Grande Ballroom house band, who the Stooges opened for. How times have changed.

 
shoegaze99
2009-11-02 11:02:51 PM


The fact that these guys were doing this in the late 1960s was, is, and remains mind-blowing. The version on the first record is ferocious as all farking get out. Just explosive and raw. "Ramblin' Rose" especially blows me the hell away.

 
Baldanders
2009-11-02 11:04:35 PM


It's not entirely uncommon for local punk bands to play this live. Or at least they did back when I used to go to craploads of shows. Depending on the band, this is one of the ones where I'd jump up on stage and start singing along. I'm not an amazing singer, but I can pull off the "Kick out the Jaaaaaaaaaams!" part pretty good.

 
palexc
2009-11-02 11:14:30 PM


Henry Rollins & Bad Brains

Pure awesome.

 
sfpfc
2009-11-02 11:33:13 PM


Phil Lynott??

 
jvcturntable
2009-11-02 11:36:46 PM


Such an important band that so few people remember. If you can ever get a hand on a copy of their documentary A True Testimonial, I highly recommend it. You'll get chills watching it.

Some of the old live clips in the film actually comes from FBI surveillance footage. This band was considered so dangerous that Nixon was actually briefed on their political activities.

 
aiiee
2009-11-02 11:41:29 PM


palexc: Henry Rollins & Bad Brains

Pure awesome.


close. Have you heard the MC5 version on the CD? If not, I think you'll like it.

 
aiiee
2009-11-02 11:43:32 PM


jvcturntable: Some of the old live clips in the film actually comes from FBI surveillance footage. This band was considered so dangerous that Nixon was actually briefed on their political activities.

info.detnews.com

ah yes, the politically incontinent White Panthers. If they ever sobered up, they might have been scary.

 
BrIcK908
2009-11-02 11:51:26 PM


Here is what I was listening to as I read that line ahhh. (new window)

 
BrIcK908
2009-11-03 12:01:06 AM


Annnnd

 
frostus
2009-11-03 01:48:23 AM


Great stuff!

 
Glenechocreek
2009-11-03 02:56:30 AM


A year earlier:

Link

 
HowDareYouCallMeAHoser
2009-11-03 03:55:07 AM


MC5 was not that great.

aiiee: Too bad this is the same youtube vid that's been posted here many times. If anybody is interested the Cd 'Kick Out The Jams' is great. Remember this was the 'good' Grande Ballroom house band, who the Stooges opened for. How times have changed.

Stooges were better, and continued to be better still.

MC5 had like three good songs:

Kick out the Jams
Ramblin' Rose(kinda)
Human Being Lawn Mower(whatever, the one that goes chopchopchopchop)

Really, they kinda suck.

They got some historical/political relevance, but a good band they are not.

 
softshoes
2009-11-03 04:30:55 AM


aiiee: Too bad this is the same youtube vid that's been posted here many times. If anybody is interested the Cd 'Kick Out The Jams' is great. Remember this was the 'good' Grande Ballroom house band, who the Stooges opened for. How times have changed.

I wasted many a good stupor in the Grande Ballroom. I saw the MC5 plenty of times, only wish I could remember.

/regrets not being there the night they recorded their live album.

 
NYRBill
2009-11-03 07:59:26 AM


HowDareYouCallMeAHoser: MC5 was not that great.

aiiee: Too bad this is the same youtube vid that's been posted here many times. If anybody is interested the Cd 'Kick Out The Jams' is great. Remember this was the 'good' Grande Ballroom house band, who the Stooges opened for. How times have changed.

Stooges were better, and continued to be better still.

MC5 had like three good songs:
Kick out the Jams
Ramblin' Rose(kinda)
Human Being Lawn Mower(whatever, the one that goes chopchopchopchop)

Really, they kinda suck.

They got some historical/political relevance, but a good band they are not.


that's just like your opinion man
/the point is that they were earlier than The Stooges

 
aiiee
2009-11-03 08:01:29 AM


softshoes: aiiee: Too bad this is the same youtube vid that's been posted here many times. If anybody is interested the Cd 'Kick Out The Jams' is great. Remember this was the 'good' Grande Ballroom house band, who the Stooges opened for. How times have changed.

I wasted many a good stupor in the Grande Ballroom. I saw the MC5 plenty of times, only wish I could remember.

/regrets not being there the night they recorded their live album.


We probably crossed paths then. Not that I would remember either :)
I do remember Cream, Led Zeppelin, Spirit, and others, among many amazing nights spent at the Grande. Thanks Uncle Russ.

 
aiiee
2009-11-03 08:03:24 AM


NYRBill: that's just like your opinion man
/the point is that they were earlier than The Stooges


Weren't they kind of simultaneous? Not sure. But I do know it was The Psychedelic Stooges not The Stooges, and little Mr. Osterberg got straight A's in high school :)

 
aiiee
2009-11-03 08:06:53 AM


HowDareYouCallMeAHoser: MC5 was not that great.

aiiee: Too bad this is the same youtube vid that's been posted here many times. If anybody is interested the Cd 'Kick Out The Jams' is great. Remember this was the 'good' Grande Ballroom house band, who the Stooges opened for. How times have changed.

Stooges were better, and continued to be better still.

MC5 had like three good songs:

Kick out the Jams
Ramblin' Rose(kinda)
Human Being Lawn Mower(whatever, the one that goes chopchopchopchop)

Really, they kinda suck.

They got some historical/political relevance, but a good band they are not.


As I remember, in the early days, the Stooges were kind of a joke band, known as much for Iggy's behavior as their music. Obviously this changed over time. 1969? I wanna Be Your Dog? I mean really.
That said "Fun House" is one of my favorite all time albums.

 
NYRBill
2009-11-03 08:17:27 AM


oh, and Subtard: The Clash and Pistols existed because of The Ramones, who existed because of The Stooges, who likely existed because of MC5
/others say they were influenced the The Who and The Kinks

 
NYRBill
2009-11-03 08:19:00 AM


aiiee: Weren't they kind of simultaneous? Not sure. But I do know it was The Psychedelic Stooges not The Stooges, and little Mr. Osterberg got straight A's in high school :)

IIRC MC5 put out an album in '65, Stooges didn't until '69

 
bennymikko
2009-11-03 08:46:07 AM


The announcer girl at the end of the clip reminds me of Ellen Feiss from the Macintosh commercials.

/It was a really awesome paper

 
The Dynamite Monkey
2009-11-03 08:55:19 AM


NYRBill: oh, and Subtard: The Clash and Pistols existed because of The Ramones

I worship the Ramones, but this is really not true.

Glenechocreek: A year earlier: (to Can link)


And The Velvets before that and the Kinks before them and the Seeds before them and the Sonics before them the Kingsmen before them... there's no big bang for punk rock, it has kind of always been with us.

NYRBill: IIRC MC5 put out an album in '65, Stooges didn't until '69


I wasn't aware the MC5 released an album in 1965, can you cite? My understanding was Danny Fields signed both the MC5 and The Stooges to Elektra on the same day at the approval of Jac Holzman (who had not heard either band). The MC5 were the band considered important and the Stooges were signed as "the baby band". The MC5's advance was 5X the Stooges'. A watershed day in rock history for sure.

 
NYRBill
2009-11-03 03:00:05 PM


The Dynamite Monkey: NYRBill: oh, and Subtard: The Clash and Pistols existed because of The Ramones
I worship the Ramones, but this is really not true.


then why does Joe Strummer say it in an interview in "End of the Century"?

 
NYRBill
2009-11-03 03:03:08 PM


The Dynamite Monkey: I wasn't aware the MC5 released an album in 1965, can you cite? My understanding was Danny Fields signed both the MC5 and The Stooges to Elektra on the same day at the approval of Jac Holzman (who had not heard either band). The MC5 were the band considered important and the Stooges were signed as "the baby band". The MC5's advance was 5X the Stooges'. A watershed day in rock history for sure.

according to Wiki their debut single was '68
/oops
//I didn't know about them until about 10 years ago though so I'm far from an expert

 
The Dynamite Monkey
2009-11-03 03:22:19 PM


NYRBill: then why does Joe Strummer say it in an interview in "End of the Century"?

Because he was a great guy and he loved them. And that is not exactly what he said anyway.

But both the Clash and the Pistols were rehearsing and gigging prior to the Ramones London debut on 7/4/76.

The idea that the pistols and ramones heard the ramones and then picked up guitar is a fallacy.

The pistols in particular owed a lot more to the dolls, richard hell and the faces than the ramones.

 
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