As much as I can't stand Wilson, it's a bit disingenuous:

"...the bill also contained other much more money for other plans and programs Republicans at the time viewed as wasteful, including the Cash-For-Clunkers car purchase incentive program."

I was at a dept. of defense meeting about a month ago where one of the top guys working on this vaccine was present. There's nothing Obama is going to do here. There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

Cramming unrelated expenditures together in bills is as old a practice in DC as anything, but this is one reason I loathe the practice. The GOP shamelessly pulled this with Democrats and the "They voted against funding the troops!" (in fact, they chaged Obama with just that when he failed to vote for a funding bill that removed a prior provision calling for withdrawal from Iraq) and now the Democrats are shamelessly playing the card, too.

CPT Ethanolic: There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

From what I understand it takes almost twice as long to produce it as previously thought.

BOTHSIDESHURRBADDERP

I'm amazed that he even believes in vaccinations.

mofroe: CPT Ethanolic: There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

From what I understand it takes almost twice as long to produce it as previously thought.

Clearly Obama's fault.

The Obama administration is in a no win situation with the swine flu outbreak.

They either successfully combat the outbreak with informing the public and pushing the vaccines, in which the Republicans will say was an over-reaction used to favor "Obamacare"

OR, the outbreak is significant, thus allowing the R's to say the administration didn't do enough.

mofroe: CPT Ethanolic: There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

From what I understand it takes almost twice as long to produce it as previously thought.

There are a lot of people pulling their hair out over this right now. I've been sitting back laughing at people that are trying to blame Obama. We've been meeting for months now trying to get SOPS in place but this vaccine is a motherfarker. Even worse, now that it's been made political the vaccine is not going to go to areas where it's needed, it's going to go to areas where it's most politically valuable/visible.

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: The Obama administration is in a no win situation with the swine flu outbreak.

They either successfully combat the outbreak with informing the public and pushing the vaccines, in which the Republicans will say was an over-reaction used to favor "Obamacare"

OR, the outbreak is significant, thus allowing the R's to say the administration didn't do enough.

Last spring, the republicans were screaming that Obama was using "scare tactics" over the swine flu. Now they're screaming that he's not responding fast enough to a "national emergency". Frickin retards.

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: As much as I can't stand Wilson, it's a bit disingenuous:

"...the bill also contained other much more money for other plans and programs Republicans at the time viewed as wasteful, including the Cash-For-Clunkers car purchase incentive program."

well, the republicans shrieked about the dems VOTING AGAINST FUNDING THE TROOPS!!! every time a democrat would vote nay on some bill that contained an unrelated troop-funding rider.

mediablitz: mofroe: CPT Ethanolic: There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

From what I understand it takes almost twice as long to produce it as previously thought.

Clearly Obama's fault.

If he would have come through with his time-displacement machine like he promised during the campaign we wouldn't even have this problem.

Nabb1: Cramming unrelated expenditures together in bills is as old a practice in DC as anything, but this is one reason I loathe the practice. The GOP shamelessly pulled this with Democrats and the "They voted against funding the troops!" (in fact, they chaged Obama with just that when he failed to vote for a funding bill that removed a prior provision calling for withdrawal from Iraq) and now the Democrats are shamelessly playing the card, too.

If it makes you feel better, I'm sure Wilson would have voted against it as a standalone measure too.

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: The Obama administration is in a no win situation with the swine flu outbreak.

They either successfully combat the outbreak with informing the public and pushing the vaccines, in which the Republicans will say was an over-reaction used to favor "Obamacare"

OR, the outbreak is significant, thus allowing the R's to say the administration didn't do enough.

The right-wing talking heads are already (^) way ahead of you. I'm sure they will now go on to call CBS a shill for Obamacare as well.

Racht: If it makes you feel better, I'm sure Wil-

YOU LIE!

mofroe: Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: The Obama administration is in a no win situation with the swine flu outbreak.

They either successfully combat the outbreak with informing the public and pushing the vaccines, in which the Republicans will say was an over-reaction used to favor "Obamacare"

OR, the outbreak is significant, thus allowing the R's to say the administration didn't do enough.

The right-wing talking heads are already (^) way ahead of you. I'm sure they will now go on to call CBS a shill for Obamacare as well.

Since when do politicians let facts get in the way of good rhetoric?

FlashHarry: well, the republicans shrieked about the dems VOTING AGAINST FUNDING THE TROOPS!!! every time a democrat would vote nay on some bill that contained an unrelated troop-funding rider.

I can't get behind the "well, they did it to us first" argument. Regardless who does it, it's disingenuous. I also hold the Democrats to a higher standard than Republicans.

CPT Ethanolic:

Since when do politicians political parties let facts get in the way of good rhetoric?

/corrected only slightly

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: FlashHarry: well, the republicans shrieked about the dems VOTING AGAINST FUNDING THE TROOPS!!! every time a democrat would vote nay on some bill that contained an unrelated troop-funding rider.

I can't get behind the "well, they did it to us first" argument. Regardless who does it, it's disingenuous. I also hold the Democrats to a higher standard than Republicans.

i agree with you. but it really pisses me off that republicans pull shiat like that all the time - like passing the bush tax cuts using the budget reconciliation loophole. then as soon as dems do the very same thing, they scream bloody murder.

Germ theory of diseasOWNED! What's next, a sudden realization that the earth really isn't flat?

I work for a defense contractor in a red state. In our morning meeting today, a manager asked how many people had gotten any kind of influenza vaccination yet, and no hands at all went up.

Then someone else asked how many people don't want either kind, and about 2/3rds of the room raised a hand.

I weep for humanity.

FlashHarry: i agree with you. but it really pisses me off that republicans pull shiat like that all the time - like passing the bush tax cuts using the budget reconciliation loophole. then as soon as dems do the very same thing, they scream bloody murder.

Well, hell, I guess if we just keep blaming the other party for doing it when they were in power, and they say they only did it because the other party was doing it when they were in power and they only did it because... the next thing you know you're blaming the Whig Party for everything. Someone needs to make it stop.

CPT Ethanolic: Since when do politicians let facts get in the way of good rhetoric?

...and right on cue we get some more of it (^)

Nabb1: Words

Yeah, I don't care about this. Do you have a good gumbo recipe?

what_now: Nabb1: Words

Yeah, I don't care about this. Do you have a good gumbo recipe?

LOL. No, unfortunately, I do not. My mother-in-law does, but I don't have easy access to it right now.