As much as I can't stand Wilson, it's a bit disingenuous:

"...the bill also contained other much more money for other plans and programs Republicans at the time viewed as wasteful, including the Cash-For-Clunkers car purchase incentive program."

I was at a dept. of defense meeting about a month ago where one of the top guys working on this vaccine was present. There's nothing Obama is going to do here. There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

Cramming unrelated expenditures together in bills is as old a practice in DC as anything, but this is one reason I loathe the practice. The GOP shamelessly pulled this with Democrats and the "They voted against funding the troops!" (in fact, they chaged Obama with just that when he failed to vote for a funding bill that removed a prior provision calling for withdrawal from Iraq) and now the Democrats are shamelessly playing the card, too.

CPT Ethanolic: There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

From what I understand it takes almost twice as long to produce it as previously thought.

BOTHSIDESHURRBADDERP

I'm amazed that he even believes in vaccinations.

mofroe: CPT Ethanolic: There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

From what I understand it takes almost twice as long to produce it as previously thought.

Clearly Obama's fault.

The Obama administration is in a no win situation with the swine flu outbreak.

They either successfully combat the outbreak with informing the public and pushing the vaccines, in which the Republicans will say was an over-reaction used to favor "Obamacare"

OR, the outbreak is significant, thus allowing the R's to say the administration didn't do enough.

mofroe: CPT Ethanolic: There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

From what I understand it takes almost twice as long to produce it as previously thought.

There are a lot of people pulling their hair out over this right now. I've been sitting back laughing at people that are trying to blame Obama. We've been meeting for months now trying to get SOPS in place but this vaccine is a motherfarker. Even worse, now that it's been made political the vaccine is not going to go to areas where it's needed, it's going to go to areas where it's most politically valuable/visible.

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: The Obama administration is in a no win situation with the swine flu outbreak.

They either successfully combat the outbreak with informing the public and pushing the vaccines, in which the Republicans will say was an over-reaction used to favor "Obamacare"

OR, the outbreak is significant, thus allowing the R's to say the administration didn't do enough.

Last spring, the republicans were screaming that Obama was using "scare tactics" over the swine flu. Now they're screaming that he's not responding fast enough to a "national emergency". Frickin retards.

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: As much as I can't stand Wilson, it's a bit disingenuous:

"...the bill also contained other much more money for other plans and programs Republicans at the time viewed as wasteful, including the Cash-For-Clunkers car purchase incentive program."

well, the republicans shrieked about the dems VOTING AGAINST FUNDING THE TROOPS!!! every time a democrat would vote nay on some bill that contained an unrelated troop-funding rider.

mediablitz: mofroe: CPT Ethanolic: There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

From what I understand it takes almost twice as long to produce it as previously thought.

Clearly Obama's fault.

If he would have come through with his time-displacement machine like he promised during the campaign we wouldn't even have this problem.

Nabb1: Cramming unrelated expenditures together in bills is as old a practice in DC as anything, but this is one reason I loathe the practice. The GOP shamelessly pulled this with Democrats and the "They voted against funding the troops!" (in fact, they chaged Obama with just that when he failed to vote for a funding bill that removed a prior provision calling for withdrawal from Iraq) and now the Democrats are shamelessly playing the card, too.

If it makes you feel better, I'm sure Wilson would have voted against it as a standalone measure too.

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: The Obama administration is in a no win situation with the swine flu outbreak.

They either successfully combat the outbreak with informing the public and pushing the vaccines, in which the Republicans will say was an over-reaction used to favor "Obamacare"

OR, the outbreak is significant, thus allowing the R's to say the administration didn't do enough.

The right-wing talking heads are already (^) way ahead of you. I'm sure they will now go on to call CBS a shill for Obamacare as well.

Racht: If it makes you feel better, I'm sure Wil-

YOU LIE!

mofroe: Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: The Obama administration is in a no win situation with the swine flu outbreak.

They either successfully combat the outbreak with informing the public and pushing the vaccines, in which the Republicans will say was an over-reaction used to favor "Obamacare"

OR, the outbreak is significant, thus allowing the R's to say the administration didn't do enough.

The right-wing talking heads are already (^) way ahead of you. I'm sure they will now go on to call CBS a shill for Obamacare as well.

Since when do politicians let facts get in the way of good rhetoric?

FlashHarry: well, the republicans shrieked about the dems VOTING AGAINST FUNDING THE TROOPS!!! every time a democrat would vote nay on some bill that contained an unrelated troop-funding rider.

I can't get behind the "well, they did it to us first" argument. Regardless who does it, it's disingenuous. I also hold the Democrats to a higher standard than Republicans.

CPT Ethanolic:

Since when do politicians political parties let facts get in the way of good rhetoric?

/corrected only slightly

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: FlashHarry: well, the republicans shrieked about the dems VOTING AGAINST FUNDING THE TROOPS!!! every time a democrat would vote nay on some bill that contained an unrelated troop-funding rider.

I can't get behind the "well, they did it to us first" argument. Regardless who does it, it's disingenuous. I also hold the Democrats to a higher standard than Republicans.

i agree with you. but it really pisses me off that republicans pull shiat like that all the time - like passing the bush tax cuts using the budget reconciliation loophole. then as soon as dems do the very same thing, they scream bloody murder.

Germ theory of diseasOWNED! What's next, a sudden realization that the earth really isn't flat?

I work for a defense contractor in a red state. In our morning meeting today, a manager asked how many people had gotten any kind of influenza vaccination yet, and no hands at all went up.

Then someone else asked how many people don't want either kind, and about 2/3rds of the room raised a hand.

I weep for humanity.

FlashHarry: i agree with you. but it really pisses me off that republicans pull shiat like that all the time - like passing the bush tax cuts using the budget reconciliation loophole. then as soon as dems do the very same thing, they scream bloody murder.

Well, hell, I guess if we just keep blaming the other party for doing it when they were in power, and they say they only did it because the other party was doing it when they were in power and they only did it because... the next thing you know you're blaming the Whig Party for everything. Someone needs to make it stop.

CPT Ethanolic: Since when do politicians let facts get in the way of good rhetoric?

...and right on cue we get some more of it (^)

Nabb1: Words

Yeah, I don't care about this. Do you have a good gumbo recipe?

what_now: Nabb1: Words

Yeah, I don't care about this. Do you have a good gumbo recipe?

LOL. No, unfortunately, I do not. My mother-in-law does, but I don't have easy access to it right now.

Nabb1: LOL. No, unfortunately, I do not. My mother-in-law does, but I don't have easy access to it right now.

Pout.
NOLA fail.

Now I have to go ask TFD, where I'll probably get a few answers,at least two offers to bang my mom, and at least one person telling me I sound fat.

CPT Ethanolic: Last spring, the republicans were screaming that Obama was using "scare tactics" over the swine flu. Now they're screaming that he's not responding fast enough to a "national emergency". Frickin retards.

This is why they should be completely ignored in pretty much all matters. The Dems have the juice to do whatever they need to do and they just have to stop pretending that there's any point in working with the other side.

And yes, Republicans. I know you are justified in getting even for the horrible way Bush was mistreated. You just keep getting your revenge but please don't expect to be taken seriously at any point at the same time.

what_now: Nabb1: LOL. No, unfortunately, I do not. My mother-in-law does, but I don't have easy access to it right now.

Pout.
NOLA fail.

Now I have to go ask TFD, where I'll probably get a few answers,at least two offers to bang my mom, and at least one person telling me I sound fat.

Archived gumbo and stew recipes from NOLA.com. (new window) The Times-Picayune has a pretty decent food section.

I just bought John Besh's new book "My New Orleans" and he's got one in it, but that's actually supposed to be one of my Christmas presents. Maybe you could Google that and see what comes up.

Nabb1: Well, hell, I guess if we just keep blaming the other party for doing it when they were in power, and they say they only did it because the other party was doing it when they were in power and they only did it because... the next thing you know you're blaming the Whig Party for everything. Someone needs to make it stop.

i thought you were talking about the israeli/palestinian conflict there for a second!

Mordant: ow you are justified in getting even for the horrible way Bush was mistreated. You just keep getting your revenge but please don't expect to be taken seriously at any point at the same tim

When I saw all the teabaggers here in DC with the "Obama/Hitler" signs it was hard to be outraged considering the leftwing idiots had been doing the same thing for years.

There must be a better expression for this douche nozzle than douche nozzle.

It is also worth noting that it can be produced quicker than it currently is. The process of doing so does not net anywhere near as much profit for the drug companies though, so they won't bother with it. Link

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: I can't get behind the "well, they did it to us first" argument. Regardless who does it, it's disingenuous. I also hold the Democrats to a higher standard than Republicans.

At least they didn't bring a knife to a gun fight, eh?

Asa Phelps: I weep for humanity.

Darwin's a biatch.

It's Obama's fault the new H1N1 strain doesn't reproduce as quickly in eggs as the more common seasonal variants?

"Solely" Obama's fault?

Jeeze, looks like everyone really underestimated the super villiany potential in Barry Osama Bin Hussein Osama Obama. That's why all the libs are regretting their votes now!

tallguywithglasseson: It's Obama's fault the new H1N1 strain doesn't reproduce as quickly in eggs as the more common seasonal variants?
See GAT's comment above:
GAT_00: It is also worth noting that it can be produced quicker than it currently is. The process of doing so does not net anywhere near as much profit for the drug companies though, so they won't bother with it. Link
PLUS:
Now it is getting normal yields and it has been meeting its deadlines. AND The egg program is one part of a $7 billion project launched five years ago by the Bush administration to build factories and infrastructure to make vaccine in case of a pandemic.
60 Minutes segment from yesterday

/God, I agreed with GAT...I am apparently drinking too much kool-aid and am turning into a liberal pinko socialist!!! Arrrgggghhhhh!

tallguywithglasseson: Jeeze, looks like everyone really underestimated the super villiany potential in Barry Osama Bin Hussein Osama Obama.

Fer sure.

Add this advanced knowledge of the behaviour of a hitherto unknown virus to his time traveling and I think he must be some sort of elitist super scientist.

But could you really expect anything less of a socialist, fascist, sekret muslin, who is working to undermine the USA by providing people with healthcare and promoting tolerance to homosexuals. Who knows, with that science-larnin' nonsense, he might engineer a gene to turn more people gay!!!1!!

And he hasn't even invaded a country of brown people yet. How could anyone be proud of him?

tallguywithglasseson: It's Obama's fault the new H1N1 strain doesn't reproduce as quickly in eggs as the more common seasonal variants?

"Solely" Obama's fault?

Jeeze, looks like everyone really underestimated the super villiany potential in Barry Osama Bin Hussein Osama Obama. That's why all the libs are regretting their votes now!

It's becoming more and more apparent that the GOP honestly believes that Obama is a supervillian.

So the bill passes without Joe Wilson's vote and there still is a vaccine shortage?

Aarontology: the GOP honestly believes that Obama is a supervillian

If only we could get him to say his name backwards, he would go back to the 5th dimension.

CPT Ethanolic: Last spring, the republicans were screaming that Obama was using "scare tactics" over the swine flu

[Citation needed]

/nothing in Google news archive

soy_bomb: So the bill passes without Joe Wilson's vote and there still is a vaccine shortage?

but..but...but....

Just out of curiosity, did he vote for it before he voted against it?

vernonFL: Aarontology: the GOP honestly believes that Obama is a supervillian

If only we could get him to say his name backwards, he would go back to the 5th dimension.

Obama created the Black Beast that obliterated most of mankind and covered the Earth in seithr.

Obama killed the only man who could identify Keyser Soze.

Obama led the Persian armies against Leonidas at Thermopylae.

PALIN / WILSON 2012

So, two Thursdays ago I was just sitting around campus studying when a line started to form. After a few minutes I ask what it's about, they say swine flu vaccine, I walk into line, get vaccinated in about 5 minutes, sit back down and go back to studying. I assumed it was going to be a shot, but it was a nasal snorty thing.

I know, i know, cool story bro.

Obama is president and this is an issue on his watch.

Can't believe it has turned into a "Blame Wilson" debate.

Remember when the libtards attacked Bush on this issue?

Alien Robot: CPT Ethanolic: Last spring, the republicans were screaming that Obama was using "scare tactics" over the swine flu

[Citation needed]

/nothing in Google news archive

The only thing I really remember, which may be different than CPT's point, is when Michelle Bachmann found it "interesting" that this epidemic was happening on Obama's watch:

"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out then under Democrat [sic] President Jimmy Carter. And I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it is an interesting coincidence."
http://minnesotaindependent.com/33565/bachmann-flu-carter-ford-obama

Which, of course, the last flu thing happened when Gerald Ford sat in the Oval Office.

CPT Ethanolic: mofroe: CPT Ethanolic: There are technical issues with producing the vaccine.

From what I understand it takes almost twice as long to produce it as previously thought.

There are a lot of people pulling their hair out over this right now. I've been sitting back laughing at people that are trying to blame Obama. We've been meeting for months now trying to get SOPS in place but this vaccine is a motherfarker. Even worse, now that it's been made political the vaccine is not going to go to areas where it's needed, it's going to go to areas where it's most politically valuable/visible.

calling the waaaambulance. Waaa. Work is hard.
Stop being a victim and get back to work.