Vince Young is moody and has not reached his true potential by any means, but everything I've ever heard about him makes him sound like just a really good person. So more power to him; helping to look after Steve McNair's kids is pretty damn classy.

/Also, I like your headline subby

Greatest College Quarterback of All Time Period.

You have no idea how are that is for me to admit.

/boomer

how "hard" that is for me to admit

/i guess I dont even know how hard

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Greatest College Quarterback of All Time Period.

Not even top ten.

Tony Van Morrison: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Greatest College Quarterback of All Time Period.

Not even top ten.

He'd be top 10 even if the only game he ever played was that Rose Bowl.

Okay, that's a bit hyperbolic, but he was really farking good in college. If he's not top 10, he's top 15 for sure.

I dunno. That Tebow kid is a pretty good college QB

and it's hard for this Tiger fan to admit that!
/Lives in Jacksonville, when I'm not rooting for Saints, it's the Jags
//Thinks if VY gets his head strait he could be pretty good.

Greatest college QB of all time is Tommie Frazier. Everyone else is playing for second. This cannot be reasonably disputed.

He did fine. Obviously not great, but he didn't screw anything up. The Titans need to keep him in and see what they can get out of him. It's a lost season, and they have nothing to lose. Might as well see if a guy in whom you invested a top-5 pick is worth a damn.

Really, given the circumastances, I didn't understand why so many people were opposed to giving him another shot.

It wasn't pretty, and granted, it was against the Jags, but dammit he got the job done. It will probably do little to stop the hemorrhaging the Titans have experienced from last season to present, but this is a welcome band-aid.

A tip of the hat to you Mr. Young.

No love for Jonathan Crompton in the best college football QB of all time discussion?

(walterfootball.com)

Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee
Height: 6-4. Weight: 224.
Projected 40 Time: 4.95.
Projected Round (2010): FA.

7/24/08: Jonathan Crompton barely has any game experience, but now that Erik Ainge has moved on, it'll be his time to shine at Tennessee. Crompton was a highly recruited quarterback and he'll have solid weapons to work with, so I have no reason to think he'll fail.

2/4/09: Disregard everything I said. Jonathan Crompton is one of the worst quarterbacks I've ever seen on any level.

Oh boy...this will be a feast for SLFF.

The Titans won a farking football game??? I don't believe it.

What did I say? Huh? What did I say. When the pressures off him, VY can play. Granted he didnt have to do anything crazy, but when asked to pass, he did it well. Great QB rating. I told you guys. Pressure kills this guy. But when the pressures off, he starts to show potential. And there not much pressure on an 0-6 team going no where.

Vince Young might be one of the best College RB's of all time, but last time i checked, we tallied QB talents based on their passing skills, not running skills.

I traded for Chris Johnson in my fantasy football league last week, so I am getting a kick out of these replies.


/and 228 yards and 2 touchdowns
//traded Kyle Orton and Willie Parker to my 11-year-old nephew for him, which should be illegal.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Greatest College Quarterback of All Time Period.

You have no idea how are that is for me to admit.

/boomer

Jamarcus Russell had a great bowl game too. Where do you rank him?

I'll give you best "running" college qb of all time, but he was not and remains not a good thrower.

Iowan73: I traded for Chris Johnson in my fantasy football league last week, so I am getting a kick out of these replies.


/and 228 yards and 2 touchdowns
//traded Kyle Orton and Willie Parker to my 11-year-old nephew for him, which should be illegal.

Yikes. If y'all are playing for money I think someone should call child services on you.

Paul Hornung is the greatest college QB of all time.

srhp29: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Greatest College Quarterback of All Time Period.

You have no idea how are that is for me to admit.

/boomer

Jamarcus Russell had a great bowl game too. Where do you rank him?

I'll give you best "running" college qb of all time, but he was not and remains not a good thrower.

Young wasn't a good throwing QB in college?

His career statline at UT was:

444/718 (60.8%) 6,040 yards 44TD 28INT

That's not too shabby.

vinnydoz007: I told you guys. Pressure kills this guy.



Yeah, sure does.

/Pressure isn't his problem, its playing against NFL defenses full of grown ass men.

howdyyall9999: Oh boy...this will be a feast for SLFF.

NO, there is enough whitey's eating crow in this thread for me to leave satisfied. No need to rub it in and say I told you so.

Even some love for Tommy Frazier who was damn good. If someone else will add Joe Hamilton and Charlie Ward to their top 15 QB's I will die and go to heaven.

tforbes: Vince Young might be one of the best College RB's of all time, but last time i checked, we tallied QB talents based on their passing skills, not running skills.

Do you even remember 2005? He did lead the nation in passing efficiency in that year. Also, I thought that QBs were ultimately judged on the number of wins, and I will take 30-2 as a starter.

lilplatinum: /Pressure isn't his problem, its playing against NFL defenses full of grown ass-men

But, can he now get a respectable wonderlic score?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Greatest Black College Quarterback of All Time Period.

lilplatinum: vinnydoz007: I told you guys. Pressure kills this guy.



Yeah, sure does.

/Pressure isn't his problem, its playing against NFL defenses full of grown ass men.

This.

And this wasn't the only miracle comeback led by Vince.

Iowan73: I traded for Chris Johnson in my fantasy football league last week, so I am getting a kick out of these replies.

I'm getting a kick out of how he has "meh" games or "I'm going to get you over 30 points from out of nowhere" games.

/Drafted Chris Johnson
//Considered trading him...
///Glad I didn't
////Hasselbeck on the other hand... :-(

thistime: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Greatest Black College Quarterback of All Time Period.

already been said, but...


Disagrees

AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Greatest college QB of all time is Tommie Frazier. Everyone else is playing for second. This cannot be reasonably disputed.

Without question.

one wiz with: thistime: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Greatest Black College Quarterback of All Time Period.

already been said, but...


Disagrees

Lets compare,

Tommie - Record as starter: 33-3 (91.7%)
VY - Record as starter: 30-2 (93.8%)

I'll say VY gets the nod there.

Career passing
Tommie: 250-509 (49.1%), 4,003 yards, 47 TD, 18 INT
VY: 444-718 (61.8%) 6,040 yards 44 TD 28 INT

VY was far more accurate and threw for more yards, but Tommie threw less picks. Somewhat of a draw there.

Rushing
Tommie: 2,263 yards (5.9 ypc), 36 TD
VY: 3,127 yards (6.8 ypc), 37 TD

That ones in Vinces favor too.


Tommie's Senior stats (Heisman Trophy runner-up): 98-177 (55.4%), 1,467 yards, 18 TD, 6 INT, 113 carries, 803 yards (7.1 ypc), 16 TD

VY's Junior stats 2005 212-325 (65.2%) 3,036 yards, 26 TDs, 10 Int, 155 carries, 1,050 yards (6.8 ypc) 12 TD.

I'll take vince at his college prime over Tommie any day of the week./

I hate to say it but if Tebow wins a third national championship he goes down as the greatest college QB ever by default.

I want to hit something after typing that.

lilplatinum: one wiz with: thistime: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Greatest Black College Quarterback of All Time Period.

already been said, but...


Disagrees

Lets compare,

Tommie - Record as starter: 33-3 (91.7%)
VY - Record as starter: 30-2 (93.8%)

I'll say VY gets the nod there.

Career passing
Tommie: 250-509 (49.1%), 4,003 yards, 47 TD, 18 INT
VY: 444-718 (61.8%) 6,040 yards 44 TD 28 INT

VY was far more accurate and threw for more yards, but Tommie threw less picks. Somewhat of a draw there.

Rushing
Tommie: 2,263 yards (5.9 ypc), 36 TD
VY: 3,127 yards (6.8 ypc), 37 TD

That ones in Vinces favor too.


Tommie's Senior stats (Heisman Trophy runner-up): 98-177 (55.4%), 1,467 yards, 18 TD, 6 INT, 113 carries, 803 yards (7.1 ypc), 16 TD

VY's Junior stats 2005 212-325 (65.2%) 3,036 yards, 26 TDs, 10 Int, 155 carries, 1,050 yards (6.8 ypc) 12 TD.

I'll take vince at his college prime over Tommie any day of the week./

Now let's look at Tebows career:

Passing: 532-813 (65.4%, 7,550 Yards, 75 TDs-15INTs
Rushing: 596 Atts, 2,503 yards, 4.2ypc 49TDs

Heisman Year: 66.9% completions, 3286 yards, 32TDs-6INTs, 895 rushing yards, 23 TDs

The only category Vince/Tommy have an advantage in is the yards per carry.

DeltaX: srhp29: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Greatest College Quarterback of All Time Period.

You have no idea how are that is for me to admit.

/boomer

Jamarcus Russell had a great bowl game too. Where do you rank him?

I'll give you best "running" college qb of all time, but he was not and remains not a good thrower.

Young wasn't a good throwing QB in college?

His career statline at UT was:

444/718 (60.8%) 6,040 yards 44TD 28INT

That's not too shabby.

I should have been clearer...the guy has the arm of a 10 year old. Even 10 year olds can hit wide open guys and force the to dive for balls.

SwayingMantits: Now let's look at Tebows career:

Passing: 532-813 (65.4%, 7,550 Yards, 75 TDs-15INTs
Rushing: 596 Atts, 2,503 yards, 4.2ypc 49TDs

Heisman Year: 66.9% completions, 3286 yards, 32TDs-6INTs, 895 rushing yards, 23 TDs

The only category Vince/Tommy have an advantage in is the yards per carry.

He did have an extra year than Frazier or VY but yeah, he is probably better than both of them, I was just arguing against the assertion that Frazier is the best option QB (Let alone overall QB) in college history.

Were they starters as Freshman? Tebow played, but didn't start until his 2007 Heisman Year.

SwayingMantits: Were they starters as Freshman? Tebow played, but didn't start until his 2007 Heisman Year.

Vince didn't really play much of the first half of 2003 and then shared time with Chance Mock. Tebow didn't start 2007 but he did get put in quite a bit, but he would have had 3 full seasons afterwards and Vince had 2. I don't remember Frazier as I'm too young.

Even taken into account Tebows got better #s than either.

It's cool, neither am I. Young was amazing whenever I saw him play, and I've seen some Frazier clips and was amazing on his feet.

/Waits for SLFF to depict me as a racist for insinuating a white player is better than a black

lilplatinum: SwayingMantits: Were they starters as Freshman? Tebow played, but didn't start until his 2007 Heisman Year.

Vince didn't really play much of the first half of 2003 and then shared time with Chance Mock. Tebow didn't start 2007 but he did get put in quite a bit, but he would have had 3 full seasons afterwards and Vince had 2. I don't remember Frazier as I'm too young.

Even taken into account Tebows got better #s than either.

Frazier missed most of his Jr. year to a blood clot in his leg.

Was Tommie Frazier even drafted? You'd think someone would have been willing to use a pick on him.

unclejimbo827: Was Tommie Frazier even drafted? You'd think someone would have been willing to use a pick on him.

His blood clot problem kept him out of the NFL.

unclejimbo827: Was Tommie Frazier even drafted? You'd think someone would have been willing to use a pick on him.

IIRC, he had some medical condition that made his doctor tell him that if he kept playing after his senior year, he'd have to get his legs amputated or something.

Um of all people I would have thought Florida fans knew how good Frazier was, don't they still confuse the Seminole Chop with first down Nebraska? http://www.huskerpedia.com/games/1995/fiesta.html (and I say that as a Big Ten fan who thinks Paterno got cheated the year before)

Everyone knows that the greatest college quarterback of all time is Todd Reesing. Duh.

I'm just glad Vince is back under center. As I said in another thread, I fully expect this to be the start of a winning streak, and the 10-6 Titans will be one of the Wild Cards.

//Fan. Allowed to jerk the knee.

well he's not as good as Ryan Leaf...i'm just sayin

VY is top 5 black quarterbacks of all time.

1. warren moon
2. black guy that won the super bowl in like 82 or 84(was it williams?)
3. donovan mcnabb
4. vince young
5. frazier

so are you going to tell me vick or 'flash' from the steelers?
ng plz

/VY is my boy madison marlins represent

thistime: VY is top 5 black quarterbacks of all time.


2. black guy that won the super bowl in like 82 or 84(was it williams?)

LOL

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Everyone knows that the greatest black college quarterback of all time is Todd Reesing Blackledge. Duh.

FTFY. Duh.

thistime: VY is top 5 black quarterbacks of all time.

1. warren moon
2. black guy that won the super bowl in like 82 or 84(was it williams?)
3. donovan mcnabb
4. vince young
5. frazier

so are you going to tell me vick or 'flash' from the steelers?
ng plz

/VY is my boy madison marlins represent

Randall Cunningham was much, much better than Vince Young, and probably McNabb.

Your list is flawed because it attempts to straddle college and the NFL.

With the exception of Cunningham and possibly Vick, prototypical "black" quarterbacks (i.e. fast and athletic) have been a miserable failure in the NFL. Vince Young, Jamarcus, Akili, etc..
The black quarterbacks that have been successful have played white - Warren Moon, Williams, etc....

Vince, Jamarcus, Akili, and the rest were such great athletes that they could afford to be lazy in college. When they got to the pros and had to master an NFL playbook, they've not been able to handle it.

FLMountainMan: e black quarterbacks that have been successful have played white - Warren Moon, Williams, etc....

I hate this. Being a dropback passer is playing "white"?