Windows' combined share of Internet traffic actually dropped to 92.52 percent while Mac OS X profited directly, reaching a new high of 5.27 percent.

I'm sure MS is in full panic mode over this.....

Although the Microsoft OS was on sale for nine days last month,
HOLY CRAP, it's a total failure after 9 days, they better pack up camp

/That's nearly a week and a half

Looking at the actual numbers... It isn't really a significant change... It's dropping at a pretty steady rate, and only a fraction is being gotten by Mac. All in all seemed yawn worthy

Shilldog: Looking at the actual numbers... It isn't really a significant change... It's dropping at a pretty steady rate, and only a fraction is being gotten by Mac. All in all seemed yawn worthy

Vista market share dropped in September, from what I read not long ago. That means that not only did Vista never crack 20% usage share, but it dropped before Windows 7 was even released.

I'll be interested to see November's stats.

"Mac OS X profited directly, reaching a new high of 5.27 percent."

WHOO HOO! BREAK OUT THE CHAMPAGNE GLASSES, BOYS! THE MICROSOFT JUGGERNAUT IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES!

Lando Lincoln
WHOO HOO! BREAK OUT THE CHAMPAGNE GLASSES, BOYS! THE MICROSOFT JUGGERNAUT IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES!

heh... yeah. Apple's problems are more about price point than anything. They are still consistently more expensive and until they're ready to compete with Windows based systems on cost, their market share will suck.

patrick767: Lando Lincoln
WHOO HOO! BREAK OUT THE CHAMPAGNE GLASSES, BOYS! THE MICROSOFT JUGGERNAUT IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES!

heh... yeah. Apple's problems are more about price point than anything. They are still consistently more expensive and until they're ready to compete with Windows based systems on cost, their market share will suck.

Given their current cash reserves and market cap, I don't think they give a rat's ass about significantly increasing market share.

patrick767: heh... yeah. Apple's People's problems with Apple are more about price point than anything. They are still consistently more expensive and until they're ready to compete with Windows based systems on cost, their market share will suck.

T,FTFY.

As Hender said, I'm sure they are having too much fun rolling around in their piles of cash to be concerned about the problems of people who can't afford or simply aren't willing to pay their prices for their computers. They'll continue sitting pretty with the people who do buy their stuff.

Apple. No longer beleaguered. :p

Nooo! How will I feel elitist and smug when everybody's using a Mac?

\Not really
\\I just don't want malware writers to start writing for the Mac

i dont care one way about apple vs windows; but i'm sick to death of apple whores who cant shut the f*ck up about how great apple is. you're worse than linux proselytes. i use what i use because i know how to use it; if i want a computer to think for me, and i want to pay 4 times the "normal" price for the same f*cking hardware then i'll do so: in the mean time, stop trying to evangelize for Apple. seriously. stop. and leave me alone about it already, g-ddamnit.

Livingroom: but i'm sick to death of apple whores who cant shut the f*ck up about how great apple is.

No, seriously, try out a mac. It'll give you back hair (the cool sort) and make your peen0r at least 3 inches longer.

/hah

mamoru: As Hender said, I'm sure they are having too much fun rolling around in their piles of cash to be concerned about the problems of people who can't afford or simply aren't willing to pay their prices for their computers.

Yeah... price isn't everything, or we'd all be driving Yugos.

Bought a new laptop with Vista in mid September.
Waiting for my free copy of windows 7 to arrive.
Vista sucks.

mamoru: As Hender said, I'm sure they are having too much fun rolling around in their piles of cash to be concerned about the problems of people who can't afford or simply aren't willing to pay their prices for their computers. They'll continue sitting pretty with the people who do buy their stuff.

Apple. No longer beleaguered. :p

I like Apple and I'd gladly use OSX over Windows 7 if they didn't restrict it to only their cookie cutter configurations. Doesn't bother me for their laptops, but the desktops are somewhat "meh"

For the same money I can build a much more powerful and better looking workstation, and choose any possible configuration of hardware I can think of. The Corsair 800D case is better looking, quieter and more functional than the Mac Pro and takes any possible configuration you can throw at it. I threw together a new system in that box in just about an hour. Plus a lot of the warranties on components far exceed anything Apple gives out. Longest I've ever waited on an RMA or replacement for any part was 5 days. And that was for a part that was 5 years old yet still under warranty. Living a few days on the laptop doesn't bother me in the slightest considering how rare it is for something to break down.

Add to that you have to take the whole unit in when something goes wrong. I can't just pick up a cheapo power supply at a big box store while the main one is getting RMA'd for a few days and keep on working, then return it. I have to stop everything and lose all access to the machine for a week. That's what keeps a lot of the people I know from switching.

I'm sure t3knosomething will come in and spout on about the programming advantages with a UNIX certified OS, etc. Fantastic. But in A/V I haven't had a single friend or colleague who sees any advantage to switching to Apple.

Holy shiat, there hasn't been 50 posts of Linux_Yes' inane babble yet? Is he sick? Someone should go down to the basement and check.

El Freak: Holy shiat, there hasn't been 50 posts of Linux_Yes' inane babble yet? Is he sick? Someone should go down to the basement and check.

Agreed. Someone should go check on him and tighten the ropes so he can't get loose.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Add to that you have to take the whole unit in when something goes wrong. I can't just pick up a cheapo power supply at a big box store while the main one is getting RMA'd for a few days and keep on working, then return it. I have to stop everything and lose all access to the machine for a week. That's what keeps a lot of the people I know from switching.

People still use desktop computers? :)

But seriously, when my desktop conked out earlier this year, I started using my MacBook full time as my main machine, and I haven't looked back. I actually purchased a MacBook Pro as my new primary machine (the MacBook was two years old and went to my fiancee), and I even ditched my 22" monitor because the 15" screen on my MBP was so much better.

And I should have added, my Windows desktop is what died. To replace it, I would have had to purchase a new CPU, RAM and mobo because my socket and RAM weren't supported anymore by AMD. I decided to just get a better laptop, instead.

Hender: To replace it, I would have had to purchase a new CPU, RAM and mobo because my socket and RAM weren't supported anymore by AMD.

So...about 250 bucks then?

Lando Lincoln: Hender: To replace it, I would have had to purchase a new CPU, RAM and mobo because my socket and RAM weren't supported anymore by AMD.

So...about 250 bucks then?

Thereabouts, yeah. But when I started using my MacBook as my main machine in the interim (I had just been using it when I traveled and whatnot) while I tried to get my desktop fixed, I found that I enjoyed OS X more on a daily basis than Windows XP, and I loathed Vista from my experiences using it as the base of my DVR. This was back in June or so, so waiting for Windows 7 wasn't an option.

Plus, I like having a laptop as my main machine better.

Livingroom: i dont care one way about apple vs windows; but i'm sick to death of apple whores who cant shut the f*ck up about how great apple is. you're worse than linux proselytes. i use what i use because i know how to use it; if i want a computer to think for me, and i want to pay 4 times the "normal" price for the same f*cking hardware then i'll do so: in the mean time, stop trying to evangelize for Apple. seriously. stop. and leave me alone about it already, g-ddamnit.

You know, if you didn't keep saying things that were abject failures of veracity, I'm sure people wouldn't try to straighten you out so often.

I really don't think Apple wants to take MS down. Apple has shown very little interest in dealing with say enterprise scale solutions, big businesses and all that stuff. They're built as a company that creates new products and prefers not to saddle itself with comptability requirements to keep customers happy. So it is kind of a moot point.

Now Android marketshare vs iPhone marketshare is going to be a worthy topic.

MacEnvy: Livingroom: i dont care one way about apple vs windows; but i'm sick to death of apple whores who cant shut the f*ck up about how great apple is. you're worse than linux proselytes. i use what i use because i know how to use it; if i want a computer to think for me, and i want to pay 4 times the "normal" price for the same f*cking hardware then i'll do so: in the mean time, stop trying to evangelize for Apple. seriously. stop. and leave me alone about it already, g-ddamnit.

You know, if you didn't keep saying things that were abject failures of veracity, I'm sure people wouldn't try to straighten you out so often.

Aside from a slight exaggeration on hardware cost (from my best guess it runs 1.5x-2x typical cost) he's not stating (nor mistating) any facts here.

Well, now that you can buy 'just' the Mac OS and not the obscenely overpriced mac machines, I can see how it would have greater appeal on the market.

Then again, I wonder what the scaling back in the PC game area has done to remove the juvenile position of windows being the OS for the 'fun' stuff if all the fun stuff is going to be more and more console only?

If you're not going to play on the damned thing, what's the real gain of Mac vs Windows?

Hender: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Add to that you have to take the whole unit in when something goes wrong. I can't just pick up a cheapo power supply at a big box store while the main one is getting RMA'd for a few days and keep on working, then return it. I have to stop everything and lose all access to the machine for a week. That's what keeps a lot of the people I know from switching.

People still use desktop computers? :)


Bah You can have my desktop when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Cinaed: If you're not going to play on the damned thing, what's the real gain of Mac vs Windows?

Better operating system--subjectively, of course. No need to run antivirus (for the moment). Built-in Exchange support. No licensing restrictions or activation headaches. Etc, etc.

Livingroom: i dont care one way about apple vs windows; but i'm sick to death of apple whores who cant shut the f*ck up about how great apple is. you're worse than linux proselytes. i use what i use because i know how to use it; if i want a computer to think for me, and i want to pay 4 times the "normal" price for the same f*cking hardware then i'll do so: in the mean time, stop trying to evangelize for Apple. seriously. stop. and leave me alone about it already, g-ddamnit.

I don't know who you hang out with, but I hear and know far more anti-Apple people than Apple evangelists.

bemis23: Hender: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Add to that you have to take the whole unit in when something goes wrong. I can't just pick up a cheapo power supply at a big box store while the main one is getting RMA'd for a few days and keep on working, then return it. I have to stop everything and lose all access to the machine for a week. That's what keeps a lot of the people I know from switching.

People still use desktop computers? :)


Bah You can have my desktop when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

For PC gaming, they're practically required, but I just found I wasn't playing games as often anymore, and practically not at all now that I have a PS3.

snuff3r: No, seriously, try out a mac. It'll give you back hair (the cool sort) and make your peen0r at least 3 inches longer.

People want hairy backs?

patrick767: Lando Lincoln
WHOO HOO! BREAK OUT THE CHAMPAGNE GLASSES, BOYS! THE MICROSOFT JUGGERNAUT IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES!

heh... yeah. Apple's problems are more about price point than anything. They are still consistently more expensive and until they're ready to compete with Windows based systems on cost, their market share will suck.

I'm sure the Apple board has read your thoughtful analysis and is feverishly revamping their business plan as we speak, having made a mere $1.23 billion profit in the previous quarter.

So... eleven people, maybe.

El Freak: Holy shiat, there hasn't been 50 posts of Linux_Yes' inane babble yet? Is he sick? Someone should go down to the basement and check.

He never posts in active threads. He usually shiats up a thread after most people have gone away, so they can't respond.

Cinaed: Well, now that you can buy 'just' the Mac OS and not the obscenely overpriced mac machines, I can see how it would have greater appeal on the market.

Then again, I wonder what the scaling back in the PC game area has done to remove the juvenile position of windows being the OS for the 'fun' stuff if all the fun stuff is going to be more and more console only?

If you're not going to play on the damned thing, what's the real gain of Mac vs Windows?

More software availability and vastly larger hardware options is the main drawl.

As for gaming, even with PC gaming slipping, it's still a far larger market then Mac gaming, and Direct X is still important, as its also effecting Xbox 360 development.

PC gaming also still drives the hardware development market when it comes to video cards.

All of you tools who are like "apple makes tons of money they dont care about market share" Riddle me this:

Why did they start showing the Apple vs PC commercials?

Take your time. Use the internet if you have to. Im sure the answer will smack you in the face eventually.

MSFT: ~$27.
AAPL: ~$187.

What is BMW's market share?

You keep using what ever you want and I'll keep being happy with all of my Apple purchases.

Hender: I don't know who you hang out with, but I hear and know far more anti-Apple people than Apple evangelists.

Almost like every Apple thread on Fark that gets filled with anti-Apple zealots? If you (royal you) are trying to play the "I'm too cool to be a fanboi" card, you should probably avoid going into threads about "irrelevant and overpriced" computers and spouting a bunch of venom.

The only Apple zealots I know are mostly waiting to see if Windows 7 forces Apple to do something interesting.

I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Mac fan, have been all my life. I have Apple Certifications for OSX essentials, desktop repair and laptop repair. I'm also very well versed in Windows OSs, having built and repaired PCs for the last 10 years. Just giving a preference and experience background before stating my opinion:

Apple dropped the ball and Microsoft picked it up. I hate to say it, but Snow Leopard has been buggy and unstable, plus it really offered little reason to upgrade from Leopard other than the Exchange support (which is solid, I'll admit). If they had just kept Leopard and added a massive update or even a paid feature for Exchange, then I would be much happier.

Additionally, Windows 7 is extremely solid. It is stable, fast, and remarkably easy to get around in. I haven't done anything in terms of tweaking it for mass deployment, but our individual usage over the last few months has been exceedingly positive.

I really hope Apple pulls their head out with the next revision, because Microsoft officially raised the bar.

Hmm, the way I read it, and correct me if I'm wrong, that only the market SHARE changed.

There is actually no need for users to leave Windows and go to Snow leopard for the market share to lower, all you need is new users using Snow Leopard.

For instance:

100 people use computers, of these 95 use Windows, 4 use Mac and 1 uses Linux. therefore Windows = 95% market share, Mac 4% and Linux 1%

Now 105 people use computers, of these 96 use windows, 7 use mac, 2 use linux. Now Windows has a 91% share, 6.66% mac and 1.9% linux.

So Windows market share has reduced, but the amount of users has increased, no one has switched.

/lies
//damn lies
///statistics

poisonedpawn78: All of you tools who are like "apple makes tons of money they dont care about market share" Riddle me this:

Why did they start showing the Apple vs PC commercials?

Because that's what you do in commercials: telling the audience your product is better than the competition. Durrr.

darkscout: MSFT: ~$27.
AAPL: ~$187.

What is BMW's market share?

You keep using what ever you want and I'll keep being happy with all of my Apple purchases.

Ok, i'm not going to argue that Apple is not doing well - but posting stock prices as indiciation that a company is doing better than another company is really pointless unless you are willing to discuss their financial strategies, positions, dilution, market cap, dividends paid, earnings forecasts, and historical trends.

It makes you look stupid.

snuff3r: Livingroom: but i'm sick to death of apple whores who cant shut the f*ck up about how great apple is.

No, seriously, try out a mac. It'll give you back hair (the cool sort) and make your peen0r at least 3 inches longer.

/hah

There is no such thing as cool back hair. Return to hell, DEMON

Dinki: Windows' combined share of Internet traffic actually dropped to 92.52 percent while Mac OS X profited directly, reaching a new high of 5.27 percent.

I'm sure MS is in full panic mode over this.....

...Windows 7 did gain share and represents 2.15 percent,

So what I'm reading here is: in 9 days, Windows 7 managed to get to 50% of the traffic that comes from all OS X machines. Which, at that rate, Windows 7 will be bigger than OS X before Thanksgiving.

darkscout: MSFT: ~$27.
AAPL: ~$187.

What is BMW's market share?

You keep using what ever you want and I'll keep being happy with all of my Apple purchases.

MSFT: ~$247 billion
AAPL: ~$170 billion

Way to go their chief, flexing your knowledge of stocks. The correct market caps of the companies are above. Price of stock means nothing if you dont know how many shares are in the market.

patrick767: heh... yeah. Apple's problems are more about price point than anything. They are still consistently more expensive and until they're ready to compete with Windows based systems on cost, their market share will suck.

Their biggest issue is locking their OS to their own hardware. It's why those new ads are so stupid..."why not upgrade to OSX instead of Windows 7?"...probably because $199 is cheaper than $2000, assholes...

Oh. This too:

Trends Apple started that Dell doesn't seem to mind copying.

802.11b: No one had EVER really seen wireless before. Apple took Airport (tm) and put it in every Mac and started selling the AirPort Base Station(with dialup modem). I was the first person in my dorm to wander around wirelessly because of it.
USB: The spec came out long before most people started using it. When the iMac came out. It had 0 legacy ports, only USB. People shiat a brick. Then vendors started coming out with USB Mice. USB Keyboards. USB Printers. USB Serial adapters. USB Parallel ports. I'd almost say if it wasn't for the iMac and the PowerMacs that followed, I'd still have a PS/2 mouse and keyboard on my PC.
Mag Safe: My Acer had to have the DC board repaired 4 times because some genius decided that solder joints worked well for strain relief. Cables get in the way. shiat happens. Hell even if the force isn't enough to disconnect it, that strain is taken by the magic of magnets and not by my DC board.
Lighted Keyboard: I've seen a dozen different "Plugs into USB and lights your keyboard" lights that hang off of the laptop monitor. Fark that. I just want my keyboard to be backlit. In addition, both it and the LCD change brightness based on ambient. I'm not blinding myself in dark rooms or squinting in dark ones.
LED backlights on LCDs: I think GreenPeace hounded them for having mercury. The LED kicks ass. Instant on. Bright as hell. My one complaint is that the 'darkest' setting is still bright in the dark. If I crank it up to full, I'm blind.
Long Life Batteries: When they announced 'integrated' batteries in the 17". People again shiat a brick. "OMG I want to replace my battery. I swap it at least twice during the flight." (Guess what, you're not the target market). Then they brought it to the 13 and 15". 8 hour battery life. 7 hours. Custom lithium cells. Custom controllers. Custom everything. But yes, built in. AnAndTech Loves It and they're not the only ones. Can you can still get 6.5 hours out of a 17" laptop? Show my one PC that comes close.

Plus there's the whole all in one form factor, the tiny Mini, cameras in laptops, etc.

Kar98: poisonedpawn78: All of you tools who are like "apple makes tons of money they dont care about market share" Riddle me this:

Why did they start showing the Apple vs PC commercials?

Because that's what you do in commercials: telling the audience your product is better than the competition. Durrr.

In order to gain ______

Ill let you fill in the blank.

darkscout: MSFT: ~$27.
AAPL: ~$187.

What is BMW's market share?

You keep using what ever you want and I'll keep being happy with all of my Apple purchases.

I don't think your stock valuation skills are quite there just yet...

poisonedpawn78: MSFT: ~$247 billion
AAPL: ~$170 billion

Way to go their chief, flexing your knowledge of stocks. The correct market caps of the companies are above. Price of stock means nothing if you dont know how many shares are in the market.

Ooo. Wow that showed me. A company with 5% of the market share, a very small subset of the market seems to have 70% of the market cap. That's like dancing around because you got 200 more points on your SAT than the special ed kid that sits in his own crap all day.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: patrick767: heh... yeah. Apple's problems are more about price point than anything. They are still consistently more expensive and until they're ready to compete with Windows based systems on cost, their market share will suck.

Their biggest issue is locking their OS to their own hardware. It's why those new ads are so stupid..."why not upgrade to OSX instead of Windows 7?"...probably because $199 is cheaper than $2000, assholes...

The logic is more "Hey, you've got to reinstall everything anyway, why not move to a Mac and get our help moving your data?" Yes yes, you can upgrade from Vista to 7, but the vast majority of people are still using XP. Vista never cracked 20% market share.

Plain and simple, if you are going to buy a new computer and you buy a PC instead of a Mac, you're stupid.

The ONLY thing you can hype Windows about is that its cheaper, but that same point brings up the old adage, you get what you pay for.

Most people who criticize Macs are simply intimidated by using a new platform.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: patrick767: heh... yeah. Apple's problems are more about price point than anything. They are still consistently more expensive and until they're ready to compete with Windows based systems on cost, their market share will suck.

Their biggest issue is locking their OS to their own hardware. It's why those new ads are so stupid..."why not upgrade to OSX instead of Windows 7?"...probably because $199 is cheaper than $2000, assholes...

Right, because your 5 year old Dell will run Windows 7 just fine.
Also, decaf, dude.

This broad last night was all like "Macs do everything BETTER" and I was all like "well, I'd be using the same program for the same task so it really doesn't matter what I use" and then she was all like "whatever, Macs do it better" and I was all like...