Am I wrong in saying that is the first time the hood/roof flaps didn't keep a car on the ground? It seems like all of the other flips came from cars getting hit from and angle.
Ricky puked a motor, I got in his oil there, I touched Dale there on the backside... But for the most part, the Hardee's/Burger King/Taco Bell/Pizza Hut/Kentucky Fried Chicken/Haas "Automation/U.S. Army Chevrolet, she just awesome."
Yo Newman, I'm really happy for you, I'll let you finish, but Carl Edwards had one of the best Talladega crashes of all time. One of the best Talladega crashes of all time!
EvilElecBlanket:Am I wrong in saying that is the first time the hood/roof flaps didn't keep a car on the ground? It seems like all of the other flips came from cars getting hit from and angle.
Jack Roush voiced concern about that when the "Car of Tomorrow" was being developed and it was revealed that there would be a wing in place of the spoiler. NA$CAR poo-pooed it. Jack was right. The air flowing the wrong way across the wing at a high enough velocity appears to have created enought lift to overcome the downforce created by the roof flaps.
Unfortunately, I fear someone else is going to die before NA$CAR admits they screwed up.
EvilElecBlanket:Am I wrong in saying that is the first time the hood/roof flaps didn't keep a car on the ground? It seems like all of the other flips came from cars getting hit from and angle.
In this case...it appears as though the roof flaps aided the take-off.
In any case...that was a lame frikkin race. What's Nascar gonna do at Daytona...add a rule that says you can only pass on pit road?
That single file crap was just that...crap. I keep reminding myself I only need to watch the last 10 laps of Talladega.
Benevolent Misanthrope:Ricky puked a motor, I got in his oil there, I touched Dale there on the backside... But for the most part, the Hardee's/Burger King/Taco Bell/Pizza Hut/Kentucky Fried Chicken/Haas "Automation/U.S. Army Chevrolet, she just awesome."
Am I a bad person for recognizing that immediately.
I think what's messed up is that drivers keep complaining about how racing at certain tracks is too dangerous, Newman said in the interview at the end of the clip that after last year's race he'd complained about too many cars going airborne, but NASCAR doesn't seem to do anything about it.
It's all well and good that the cars are safer when they crash, but it seems like NASCAR is creating conditions where crashes are inevitable. Maybe it's because at least part of the fan base watches for the crashes, maybe not, but whatever it is, avoiding crashes seems pretty low in their list of priorities.
Malicoire_:I'd say that a large portion of Nascar coverage is the crashes.
IF you see something on the news it's 3 seconds of race footage, the entire crash, and 3 seconds of the checkered flag.
If there's not a crash, you might get a "BIlly Bob Smith won the Whatever 500."
I don't follow the sport, but it seems they're making the events less exciting and pushing potentially fatal crashes.
The first time a memo leaks about not wanting to prevent crashes, Nascar will be shut down.
NASCAR has always had crashes -- it's the nature of the racing. But, really, if you took news coverage as your information basis you'd think pretty white women were getting kidnapped and murdered by the millions. By any measure NASCAR is safer today than ever. I don't think crashes are rarer but airborne and rolling crashes are rarer and when major crashes do occur the chances of significant injury or death are far lower today. But even with major advances -- the roof flaps for example -- cars are still going to find a way leave the ground.
yequalsy:Malicoire_: I'd say that a large portion of Nascar coverage is the crashes.
IF you see something on the news it's 3 seconds of race footage, the entire crash, and 3 seconds of the checkered flag.
If there's not a crash, you might get a "BIlly Bob Smith won the Whatever 500."
I don't follow the sport, but it seems they're making the events less exciting and pushing potentially fatal crashes.
The first time a memo leaks about not wanting to prevent crashes, Nascar will be shut down.
NASCAR has always had crashes -- it's the nature of the racing. But, really, if you took news coverage as your information basis you'd think pretty white women were getting kidnapped and murdered by the millions. By any measure NASCAR is safer today than ever. I don't think crashes are rarer but airborne and rolling crashes are rarer and when major crashes do occur the chances of significant injury or death are far lower today. But even with major advances -- the roof flaps for example -- cars are still going to find a way leave the ground.
His point, and I'd hate to put words in his mouth, is that NASCAR wants big impressive wrecks so people will pay attention to them. While I'm sure they don't want their drivers hurt, I'd imagine there's something to that.
rynthetyn: It's all well and good that the cars are safer when they crash, but it seems like NASCAR is creating conditions where crashes are inevitable. Maybe it's because at least part of the fan base watches for the crashes, maybe not, but whatever it is, avoiding crashes seems pretty low in their list of priorities.
I think Ryan Newman summed it up nicely. NASCAR is creating these situations by limiting driver actions during the race and forcing all the actual racing to take place in the last 100 miles in an effort to create dramatic finishes. They some how turned Talledega of all places into a track with less excitement and passing than Watkins Glen.
I've had naps that were more exciting than that race. Add it to the fact that Jimmie Johnson took 6th place without passing a single car all day and they're lucky there wasn't a redneck riot on their hands.
thalassatx
2009-11-01 08:50:05 PM
EvilElecBlanket
2009-11-01 09:10:20 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope
2009-11-01 09:14:00 PM
Big Merl
2009-11-01 09:15:52 PM
Tunk87
2009-11-01 09:23:56 PM
Jack Roush voiced concern about that when the "Car of Tomorrow" was being developed and it was revealed that there would be a wing in place of the spoiler. NA$CAR poo-pooed it. Jack was right. The air flowing the wrong way across the wing at a high enough velocity appears to have created enought lift to overcome the downforce created by the roof flaps.
Unfortunately, I fear someone else is going to die before NA$CAR admits they screwed up.
brainiac-dumdum
2009-11-01 10:09:55 PM
I'll be in my bunk.
brainiac-dumdum
2009-11-01 10:11:11 PM
/I know, cool story, bro
driven to quit
2009-11-01 10:22:16 PM
Football players run over 190 mph?
Bonkthat_Again
2009-11-01 10:30:56 PM
In this case...it appears as though the roof flaps aided the take-off.
In any case...that was a lame frikkin race. What's Nascar gonna do at Daytona...add a rule that says you can only pass on pit road?
That single file crap was just that...crap. I keep reminding myself I only need to watch the last 10 laps of Talladega.
Unixfreak
2009-11-01 10:38:17 PM
brainiac-dumdum
2009-11-01 10:46:16 PM
Football players run over 190 mph?
I have no idea. I know nothing about sports, especially NASCAR dialect.
dabbletech
2009-11-01 11:25:30 PM
GAT_00
2009-11-01 11:47:08 PM
Am I a bad person for recognizing that immediately.
PacManDreaming
2009-11-02 12:02:41 AM
You can do a lot of things on meth.
brainiac-dumdum
2009-11-02 12:35:27 AM
You can do a lot of things on meth.
I can fly when I smoke meth, watch .. .... ... .
Abagadro
2009-11-02 02:42:42 AM
Don't forget the pudding.
rynthetyn
2009-11-02 06:22:55 AM
It's all well and good that the cars are safer when they crash, but it seems like NASCAR is creating conditions where crashes are inevitable. Maybe it's because at least part of the fan base watches for the crashes, maybe not, but whatever it is, avoiding crashes seems pretty low in their list of priorities.
rain_bow_six
2009-11-02 06:34:19 AM
Elliot Sadler has had some wild rides at Talladega and Daytona too.
DeltaX
2009-11-02 06:36:42 AM
AgentTuba
2009-11-02 06:54:29 AM
Daytona 500 six years ago
LesserEvil
2009-11-02 07:39:57 AM
RIP Music Man!
Malicoire_
2009-11-02 07:42:00 AM
IF you see something on the news it's 3 seconds of race footage, the entire crash, and 3 seconds of the checkered flag.
If there's not a crash, you might get a "BIlly Bob Smith won the Whatever 500."
I don't follow the sport, but it seems they're making the events less exciting and pushing potentially fatal crashes.
The first time a memo leaks about not wanting to prevent crashes, Nascar will be shut down.
yequalsy
2009-11-02 08:39:09 AM
IF you see something on the news it's 3 seconds of race footage, the entire crash, and 3 seconds of the checkered flag.
If there's not a crash, you might get a "BIlly Bob Smith won the Whatever 500."
I don't follow the sport, but it seems they're making the events less exciting and pushing potentially fatal crashes.
The first time a memo leaks about not wanting to prevent crashes, Nascar will be shut down.
NASCAR has always had crashes -- it's the nature of the racing. But, really, if you took news coverage as your information basis you'd think pretty white women were getting kidnapped and murdered by the millions. By any measure NASCAR is safer today than ever. I don't think crashes are rarer but airborne and rolling crashes are rarer and when major crashes do occur the chances of significant injury or death are far lower today. But even with major advances -- the roof flaps for example -- cars are still going to find a way leave the ground.
Whodat?
2009-11-02 08:49:12 AM
IF you see something on the news it's 3 seconds of race footage, the entire crash, and 3 seconds of the checkered flag.
If there's not a crash, you might get a "BIlly Bob Smith won the Whatever 500."
I don't follow the sport, but it seems they're making the events less exciting and pushing potentially fatal crashes.
The first time a memo leaks about not wanting to prevent crashes, Nascar will be shut down.
NASCAR has always had crashes -- it's the nature of the racing. But, really, if you took news coverage as your information basis you'd think pretty white women were getting kidnapped and murdered by the millions. By any measure NASCAR is safer today than ever. I don't think crashes are rarer but airborne and rolling crashes are rarer and when major crashes do occur the chances of significant injury or death are far lower today. But even with major advances -- the roof flaps for example -- cars are still going to find a way leave the ground.
His point, and I'd hate to put words in his mouth, is that NASCAR wants big impressive wrecks so people will pay attention to them. While I'm sure they don't want their drivers hurt, I'd imagine there's something to that.
No Line For Beer
2009-11-02 09:05:51 AM
It's all well and good that the cars are safer when they crash, but it seems like NASCAR is creating conditions where crashes are inevitable. Maybe it's because at least part of the fan base watches for the crashes, maybe not, but whatever it is, avoiding crashes seems pretty low in their list of priorities.
I think Ryan Newman summed it up nicely. NASCAR is creating these situations by limiting driver actions during the race and forcing all the actual racing to take place in the last 100 miles in an effort to create dramatic finishes. They some how turned Talledega of all places into a track with less excitement and passing than Watkins Glen.
I've had naps that were more exciting than that race. Add it to the fact that Jimmie Johnson took 6th place without passing a single car all day and they're lucky there wasn't a redneck riot on their hands.