Damn. Newman always has the best crashes!

Am I wrong in saying that is the first time the hood/roof flaps didn't keep a car on the ground? It seems like all of the other flips came from cars getting hit from and angle.

Ricky puked a motor, I got in his oil there, I touched Dale there on the backside... But for the most part, the Hardee's/Burger King/Taco Bell/Pizza Hut/Kentucky Fried Chicken/Haas "Automation/U.S. Army Chevrolet, she just awesome."

Yo Newman, I'm really happy for you, I'll let you finish, but Carl Edwards had one of the best Talladega crashes of all time. One of the best Talladega crashes of all time!

EvilElecBlanket: Am I wrong in saying that is the first time the hood/roof flaps didn't keep a car on the ground? It seems like all of the other flips came from cars getting hit from and angle.

Jack Roush voiced concern about that when the "Car of Tomorrow" was being developed and it was revealed that there would be a wing in place of the spoiler. NA$CAR poo-pooed it. Jack was right. The air flowing the wrong way across the wing at a high enough velocity appears to have created enought lift to overcome the downforce created by the roof flaps.

Unfortunately, I fear someone else is going to die before NA$CAR admits they screwed up.

Ryan Newman blows over at 190 mph and lands right on top of Kevin Harvick. Ta Daa

I'll be in my bunk.

lol, I didn't RTFA and though the headline was talking about football.

/I know, cool story, bro

brainiac-dumdum: lol, I didn't RTFA and though the headline was talking about football.

Football players run over 190 mph?

EvilElecBlanket: Am I wrong in saying that is the first time the hood/roof flaps didn't keep a car on the ground? It seems like all of the other flips came from cars getting hit from and angle.

In this case...it appears as though the roof flaps aided the take-off.


In any case...that was a lame frikkin race. What's Nascar gonna do at Daytona...add a rule that says you can only pass on pit road?

That single file crap was just that...crap. I keep reminding myself I only need to watch the last 10 laps of Talladega.

Has anyone mentioned the dangers of restrictor plate racing yet?

driven to quit: brainiac-dumdum: lol, I didn't RTFA and though the headline was talking about football.

Football players run over 190 mph?

I have no idea. I know nothing about sports, especially NASCAR dialect.

Is this the gay cowboy thread?

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ricky puked a motor, I got in his oil there, I touched Dale there on the backside... But for the most part, the Hardee's/Burger King/Taco Bell/Pizza Hut/Kentucky Fried Chicken/Haas "Automation/U.S. Army Chevrolet, she just awesome."

Am I a bad person for recognizing that immediately.

driven to quit: Football players run over 190 mph?

You can do a lot of things on meth.

PacManDreaming: driven to quit: Football players run over 190 mph?

You can do a lot of things on meth.

I can fly when I smoke meth, watch .. .... ... .

dabbletech: Is this the gay cowboy thread?

Don't forget the pudding.

I think what's messed up is that drivers keep complaining about how racing at certain tracks is too dangerous, Newman said in the interview at the end of the clip that after last year's race he'd complained about too many cars going airborne, but NASCAR doesn't seem to do anything about it.

It's all well and good that the cars are safer when they crash, but it seems like NASCAR is creating conditions where crashes are inevitable. Maybe it's because at least part of the fan base watches for the crashes, maybe not, but whatever it is, avoiding crashes seems pretty low in their list of priorities.

thalassatx: Damn. Newman always has the best crashes!

Elliot Sadler has had some wild rides at Talladega and Daytona too.

Bobby Allison wasn't impressed.

Newman's pretty good at this



Daytona 500 six years ago

I'd say that a large portion of Nascar coverage is the crashes.

IF you see something on the news it's 3 seconds of race footage, the entire crash, and 3 seconds of the checkered flag.

If there's not a crash, you might get a "BIlly Bob Smith won the Whatever 500."

I don't follow the sport, but it seems they're making the events less exciting and pushing potentially fatal crashes.

The first time a memo leaks about not wanting to prevent crashes, Nascar will be shut down.

Malicoire_: I'd say that a large portion of Nascar coverage is the crashes.

IF you see something on the news it's 3 seconds of race footage, the entire crash, and 3 seconds of the checkered flag.

If there's not a crash, you might get a "BIlly Bob Smith won the Whatever 500."

I don't follow the sport, but it seems they're making the events less exciting and pushing potentially fatal crashes.

The first time a memo leaks about not wanting to prevent crashes, Nascar will be shut down.

NASCAR has always had crashes -- it's the nature of the racing. But, really, if you took news coverage as your information basis you'd think pretty white women were getting kidnapped and murdered by the millions. By any measure NASCAR is safer today than ever. I don't think crashes are rarer but airborne and rolling crashes are rarer and when major crashes do occur the chances of significant injury or death are far lower today. But even with major advances -- the roof flaps for example -- cars are still going to find a way leave the ground.

yequalsy: Malicoire_: I'd say that a large portion of Nascar coverage is the crashes.

IF you see something on the news it's 3 seconds of race footage, the entire crash, and 3 seconds of the checkered flag.

If there's not a crash, you might get a "BIlly Bob Smith won the Whatever 500."

I don't follow the sport, but it seems they're making the events less exciting and pushing potentially fatal crashes.

The first time a memo leaks about not wanting to prevent crashes, Nascar will be shut down.

NASCAR has always had crashes -- it's the nature of the racing. But, really, if you took news coverage as your information basis you'd think pretty white women were getting kidnapped and murdered by the millions. By any measure NASCAR is safer today than ever. I don't think crashes are rarer but airborne and rolling crashes are rarer and when major crashes do occur the chances of significant injury or death are far lower today. But even with major advances -- the roof flaps for example -- cars are still going to find a way leave the ground.

His point, and I'd hate to put words in his mouth, is that NASCAR wants big impressive wrecks so people will pay attention to them. While I'm sure they don't want their drivers hurt, I'd imagine there's something to that.

rynthetyn:
It's all well and good that the cars are safer when they crash, but it seems like NASCAR is creating conditions where crashes are inevitable. Maybe it's because at least part of the fan base watches for the crashes, maybe not, but whatever it is, avoiding crashes seems pretty low in their list of priorities.

I think Ryan Newman summed it up nicely. NASCAR is creating these situations by limiting driver actions during the race and forcing all the actual racing to take place in the last 100 miles in an effort to create dramatic finishes. They some how turned Talledega of all places into a track with less excitement and passing than Watkins Glen.

I've had naps that were more exciting than that race. Add it to the fact that Jimmie Johnson took 6th place without passing a single car all day and they're lucky there wasn't a redneck riot on their hands.

Whodat?: His point, and I'd hate to put words in his mouth, is that NASCAR wants big impressive wrecks so people will pay attention to them. While I'm sure they don't want their drivers hurt, I'd imagine there's something to that.

I don't think anyone denies that crashing is part of the deal and part of the attraction. But most of NASCAR's recent actions has focused on limiting big crashes: roof flaps, banning racing to yellow, banning passing under the yellow line at Talladega, yesterday's attempt to ban bump drafting in the corners. If anything Malicoire_ would be closer to right if he said that the racing has gotten less exciting precisely because NASCAR is trying to prevent fatal crashes.

No Line For Beer:
I think Ryan Newman summed it up nicely. NASCAR is creating these situations by limiting driver actions during the race and forcing all the actual racing to take place in the last 100 miles in an effort to create dramatic finishes. They some how turned Talledega of all places into a track with less excitement and passing than Watkins Glen.


This. Except the the Watkins Glen part. The Glen has now officially become more exciting than Talladega. Actually, this years race was good there. Drivers were very aggressive. Looked like amateur hour enduro racing really with all the beating and banging and taking people out.

/Holy crap; a road course was more interesting to watch than a super speedway? What is coming over NASCAR!?

//Bristol and Martinsville are my favorite tracks.

I was more surprised that
A: Kevin Harvick's windshield held intact after the COT wing came straight down onto it.
B: No one asked Harvick what he saw and if he thought he needed a new pair of underwear.

I must admit that yesterday caused me to cross a threshold when it comes to restrictor-plate races. They used to be my absolute favorite races, especially Talladega. Drafting created conditions almost of unheard of in sport where success required knowing when to cooperate and when to not cooperate with your opponents. You could see these races play out over several hours with drivers figuring out what worked and what didn't. Who could push, who could lead, and who needed to get the fark out of the way. It used to be the smartest drivers won these races. Dale Earnhardt won at 'Dega something like 8 times.

But in the last three or four years something has happened. I don't know if it's the COT, the yellow line, the evolution of driver strategies, the new surface at 'Dega, or (most likely) some combination of different things, but neither 'Dega nor Daytona feature very interesting races anymore (at least in Cup). The best drivers don't necessarily win. In fact, recently it seems that the best drivers don't win. Yesterday was worst of all. The bump-draft-in-corners ban effectively neutralized the race for about 165 laps. Formula One has an excuse for single-file racing. NASCAR doesn't.

Why couldn't this have been the cheater in the #48 Lowe's car, and flipping out of the track?

bluorangefyre: Why couldn't this have been the cheater in the #48 Lowe's car, and flipping out of the track?

The cheater's not in the #48 car. He's on top of the #48 crew box. Not to take anything away from Johnson, but Chad Knauss is the reason they're looking at their fourth consecutive cup.

Soopey
I was more surprised that
A: Kevin Harvick's windshield held intact after the COT wing came straight down onto it.
B: No one asked Harvick what he saw and if he thought he needed a new pair of underwear.

No kidding. Where was his in-car camera?

Yeah, if you have an airfoil that produces downforce and run air across it backwards, you're going to get some lift...

What if they attached it with a hinge at the front edge of the wing, so it would pivot up and act as a spoiler when the car start to go ass over teakettle? Or even just make it so it would just lift off the car if it started producing lift?

GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: Ricky puked a motor, I got in his oil there, I touched Dale there on the backside... But for the most part, the Hardee's/Burger King/Taco Bell/Pizza Hut/Kentucky Fried Chicken/Haas "Automation/U.S. Army Chevrolet, she just awesome."

Am I a bad person for recognizing that immediately.

Am I a bad person for reading it with Foxworthy's accent in my head?

Guysmiley: What if they attached it with a hinge at the front edge of the wing, so it would pivot up and act as a spoiler when the car start to go ass over teakettle? Or even just make it so it would just lift off the car if it started producing lift?

Youd better raise the fences to 300 feet tall to protect the fans if you allow the spoilers to fly off the cars whenever they produce lift. Its could be a bad thing if fifty pound pieces of cars shoot skyward with 190 mph forward velocity, lift. and no directional control.

That race yesterday just entered my personal top 5 of worst races I've ever watched. Alongside the reactionary restrictor plate parade at New Hampshire in the fall 2000, the tire debacle at the Brickyard in 2008, and the amateur hour crash fest at Montreal a few months ago(in the Nationwide series).

And what's really farking stupid is that the whole reason for NASCAR putting a stop to the bump drafting, the last lap crashes at Daytona and Talladega earlier this year, had absolutely nothing to do with bump drafting. In both cases you just had two cars racing for the win on the final lap, and one making a dumb mistake by trying to pull down in front of the other when they didn't have room. It wasn't the bump drafting that created those dangerous situations, it was poor work by the spotters, and dumb decisions by drivers hoping to block for the win. Well, NASCAR is going to get whats coming to them, historically low ratings for the final three races of the season.

/Oh yeah, and fark Jimmie Johnson, that lucky piece of shiat

The wing only had a little bit to do with that flip, it had more to do with there being a nice big gap for air to fill underneath the car when it starts going in reverse.

Passive Aggressive Larry: That race yesterday just entered my personal top 5 of worst races I've ever watched. Alongside the reactionary restrictor plate parade at New Hampshire in the fall 2000, the tire debacle at the Brickyard in 2008, and the amateur hour crash fest at Montreal a few months ago(in the Nationwide series).


They can't all be Richmond. Time to renew my season tickets!

Passive Aggressive Larry: And what's really farking stupid is that the whole reason for NASCAR putting a stop to the bump drafting, the last lap crashes at Daytona and Talladega earlier this year, had absolutely nothing to do with bump drafting. In both cases you just had two cars racing for the win on the final lap, and one making a dumb mistake by trying to pull down in front of the other when they didn't have room. It wasn't the bump drafting that created those dangerous situations, it was poor work by the spotters, and dumb decisions by drivers hoping to block for the win. Well, NASCAR is going to get whats coming to them, historically low ratings for the final three races of the season.

Thank you. Exactly right. The day after the last Talladega race the media was just full of "OMG. Bump drafting. Carl Edwards hit the fence!" But it was exactly as you described and could happen at lots of tracks. Sure those two got to the front by bump drafting, but after that it was just Evil Opie farking up while trying to block Keselowski. Now, this same race last October, that crash was because Evil Opie spent the whole day hanging out in the back and then decided to experiment with bump drafting. Bump drafting can cause crashes but usually it's because of driver incompetence.

yequalsy: I must admit that yesterday caused me to cross a threshold when it comes to restrictor-plate races. They used to be my absolute favorite races, especially Talladega. Drafting created conditions almost of unheard of in sport where success required knowing when to cooperate and when to not cooperate with your opponents. You could see these races play out over several hours with drivers figuring out what worked and what didn't. Who could push, who could lead, and who needed to get the fark out of the way. It used to be the smartest drivers won these races. Dale Earnhardt won at 'Dega something like 8 times.

But in the last three or four years something has happened. I don't know if it's the COT, the yellow line, the evolution of driver strategies, the new surface at 'Dega, or (most likely) some combination of different things, but neither 'Dega nor Daytona feature very interesting races anymore (at least in Cup). The best drivers don't necessarily win. In fact, recently it seems that the best drivers don't win. Yesterday was worst of all. The bump-draft-in-corners ban effectively neutralized the race for about 165 laps. Formula One has an excuse for single-file racing. NASCAR doesn't.



Exactly right- It's just a lottery at this point. NASCAR should give them a bye week and let them pick the finishing order out of a jar. I saw Mark Martin drive a top 5 race
all day only to see him finish in the 20's on a last lap wreck
that was no fault of his. I've been a fan for over 30 years
but there's no reason to watch a crapfest like that any more.

There's way too many baseball threads on fark, probably because people who feel they have to watch it have nothing better to do than post on fark while it's on

The Le Mans cars blowover with much more verve and gusto.


One at Road Atlanta (new window)

All-time best blowover - Mercedes at Le Mans (new window)

Guysmiley: Yeah, if you have an airfoil that produces downforce and run air across it backwards, you're going to get some lift...

What if they attached it with a hinge at the front edge of the wing, so it would pivot up and act as a spoiler when the car start to go ass over teakettle? Or even just make it so it would just lift off the car if it started producing lift?



AERODYNAMICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

/airfoils don't reverse their lift vector when they're run backward
//unless you're talking purely about angle of incidence
///should have added that

Charlie Freak: AERODYNAMICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

Actually, it kind of does, depending on the angle of attack of the airfoil. It's not 1:1 by any means, but yes, you can get lift if you run a spoiler backwards.

mikaloyd: Youd better raise the fences to 300 feet tall to protect the fans if you allow the spoilers to fly off the cars whenever they produce lift. Its could be a bad thing if fifty pound pieces of cars shoot skyward with 190 mph forward velocity, lift. and no directional control.

Maybe some kind of braided metallic device that could be used to keep the wing attached. Maybe we could call it a tether. You know, like they already do with roof flaps and hoods?

Put the damn wing on a hinge and be done with it.

I don't watch much nascar, mostly 'cause I find it boring (going around in a circle..just not my thing).
And yet nascar seems to be implementing rules that makes it even MORE boring?? No bump-drafting, no passing under the yellow line..and what's with this single-file crap?

I mean, damn, why bother with the cars? How 'bout all the drivers just run around the track on foot?

or better yet, how 'bout only 1 car on the track at a time, 1 lap..shortest lap wins. That's right..make "Qualifying" the entire race.

Guysmiley: Charlie Freak: AERODYNAMICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

Actually, it kind of does, depending on the angle of attack of the airfoil. It's not 1:1 by any means, but yes, you can get lift if you run a spoiler backwards.


I've never heard of this. I assume you're talking about the angle of incidence being subjected to reverse flow, which would act like a ceiling fan in reverse - generating "lift" through brute force alone. But as far as I know, the airfoil would not be generating lift in an aerodynamic sense.

On one hand he says that the race was pretty boring, but on the other hand, he says NASCAR fans don't come to the race to see these kinds of crashes. I think that's a perfect example of an oxymoron right there.

//They do want to see the crashes
//They just don't want anyone to die.

Ryan needs to take some crash lessons from Rusty Wallace

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pvd021: On one hand he says that the race was pretty boring, but on the other hand, he says NASCAR fans don't come to the race to see these kinds of crashes. I think that's a perfect example of an oxymoron right there.

//They do want to see the crashes
//They just don't want anyone to die.

It's like soccer. You sit through three hours of almost crashes for a good two or three real crashes. The excitement is in the almost crashing. However, yesterday's race was awful.