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(PCWorld) Obvious ICANN haz untypable URLs?   (pcworld.com) divider line 115
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Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 09:37:00 AM  
Great. Now I have to memorize my character set alt codes all over again. That took a lot of beer to forget.

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 09:59:50 AM  
www.发尔克.cn?

 
unlikely [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 10:04:03 AM  
Not exactly.

The first phase of the Internationalized Domain Names program begins Nov. 16 when countries can apply to ICANN for country codes, such as .us for the United States and .ru for Russia, in their own character sets.

So:
- instead of "youngteenporn.ru" it will now be "hotgirl.po"
- instead or "damned-odd-kink.jp" it will be "damned-odd-kink.日本"

And then later:
Over time, expect to see other domains, such as .com, .org, and .net, become available in other character sets, as well as domain names themselves.

So
- instead of "goryechyie-slabetelnya.ru" it will be "горячие-слабительное.po"

...in other words, sites you wouldn't have visited anyway.

 
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 10:30:31 AM  
...in other words, sites you wouldn't have visited anyway.

Which is why this:

Having invented the Internet--40 years ago yesterday--the U.S. has given away whatever advantage it offers English-speakers.

just reeks of whiny biatching.

The author's tears, they nourish me.

 
bulldg4life [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 10:35:44 AM  
Man that guy whines about a lot of things.

 
HaywoodJablonski [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 11:12:05 AM  
The author is all kinds of butthurt

 
Donnchadha 2009-10-31 11:25:34 AM  
If English was good enough for Jesus, it should be good enough for the Internet!

 
runningscared 2009-10-31 11:28:19 AM  
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Having invented the Internet--40 years ago yesterday--the U.S. has given away whatever advantage it offers English-speakers.

just reeks of whiny biatching.


bulldg4life: Man that guy whines about a lot of things.

HaywoodJablonski: The author is all kinds of butthurt

All of this.

 
Good Behavior Day 2009-10-31 11:30:18 AM  
During the Middle Ages, education involved learning latin. The existing body of literature was left over from the Roman Empire and was already in latin. It also provided a common language for scholars across Europe and a chance to transcend the language barriers.

 
Jonny Ninja 2009-10-31 11:46:05 AM  
unlikely: Not exactly.

The first phase of the Internationalized Domain Names program begins Nov. 16 when countries can apply to ICANN for country codes, such as .us for the United States and .ru for Russia, in their own character sets.

So:
- instead of "youngteenporn.ru" it will now be "hotgirl.po"
- instead or "damned-odd-kink.jp" it will be "damned-odd-kink.日本"

And then later:
Over time, expect to see other domains, such as .com, .org, and .net, become available in other character sets, as well as domain names themselves.

So
- instead of "goryechyie-slabetelnya.ru" it will be "горячие-слабительное.po"

...in other words, sites you wouldn't have visited anyway.


Beware phishing ...

www.ƀankofamerica.com

 
Guardian996 2009-10-31 11:48:57 AM  
Jonny Ninja:

Beware phishing ...

www.ƀankofamerica.com

THIS

 
12349876 2009-10-31 11:51:16 AM  
Good Behavior Day: During the Middle Ages, education involved learning latin. The existing body of literature was left over from the Roman Empire and was already in latin. It also provided a common language for scholars across Europe and a chance to transcend the language barriers.

And none of the peasants knew any latin. And today's peasants are going to be on the internet very soon if they aren't already

 
The Duke of Carrot Flowers 2009-10-31 11:53:48 AM  
FTA

Like I said, this is a bad day for the English language, but a good day for the billions of people who do not speak my mother tongue. They have rights, too, even if I am not always happy about what that means.

What the?

 
Saners 2009-10-31 11:58:05 AM  
How the hell is this a bad day for the English language? The only English speakers that should care are those who are bilingual that go to websites outside of their native language, but any website worth a damn will keep their Latin URL.

 
ctobio 2009-10-31 12:00:59 PM  
At least we can finally get toysяus.com

 
lvdata2 2009-10-31 12:01:07 PM  
Guardian996: Jonny Ninja:

Beware phishing ...

www.ƀankofamerica.com

THIS


THIS

/how many more times can I add THIS before it is considered spam?

 
downstairs [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 12:06:20 PM  
lvdata2: Guardian996: Jonny Ninja:

Beware phishing ...

www.ƀankofamerica.com

THIS

THIS

/how many more times can I add THIS before it is considered spam?


I don't know, but I'm adding another THIS.

We don't need more exploits. This is all this goofy idea does. English is the international language, pretty much everyone who has the ability to get onto the Internet knows it, just stick with that for domains.

This is the last place we need more complication.

 
finnished 2009-10-31 12:06:29 PM  
Nothing new here, they already exist. Here, observe:

www.sää.fi

www.saa.fi (new window)

Whoops... It turns out Fark won't let me link directly to the address, but just try the first one, copy-paste it to your address bar.

 
Zousand 2009-10-31 12:08:10 PM  
Its called links, if that don't work some sort of tinyurl like reroute service.

I don't mind if it keeps mother out of my naughty sites.

 
aarond12 2009-10-31 12:08:43 PM  
The whiny writer is complaining about URLs he can't type, leading him to webpages he can't read. Get a life.

 
ctobio 2009-10-31 12:11:14 PM  
All sorts of sites are going to have to register domains with similar looking non-Latin characters to fend off phishing. So yeah, looks like bank of America will have to register www.ƀankofamerica.com on top of their other domains. Seems a little onerous, maybe not for a big corporation, but for smaller ones, yes.

Is it possible to make it so that the domains have to be all Latin or all cyrillic for them to be valid, to prohibit this sort of thing?

 
Supes 2009-10-31 12:12:29 PM  
Happy to see I'm not the only one who thinks this is a bad idea on so many levels....

That being said, it opens up endless opportunities for entrepreneurial cybersquatting. I kind of want to buy up all the company names with an ampersand in place of "and."

 
Sheriff.Of.Nottingham 2009-10-31 12:15:54 PM  
It's not news, it's ƒαгκ.com

 
sparkeyjames [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 12:17:52 PM  
This sounds like a great conspiracy of sorts. You know separate the people of the world via allowing any language (character sets) in URL's so that no one knows how to get any information. This will do more to fragment the internet that anything the powers that be have thought of yet. Although I am sure the makers of browsers will start doing translations so that it will not happen.

 
sparkeyjames [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 12:19:49 PM  
Oh and I DNRTFA and really don't care much.

 
DigitalCoffee 2009-10-31 12:21:33 PM  
Since we all know that, deep down porn drives everything on the internet, I can't wait for the
new .ゆり TLD to come online.

/although i think that .ネコミミ would be pushing it a bit far

 
TheWizard 2009-10-31 12:24:25 PM  
And China will now filter any non-chinese character website.

 
Dansker 2009-10-31 12:25:16 PM  
Supes: Happy to see I'm not the only one who thinks this is a bad idea on so many levels....

That being said, it opens up endless opportunities for entrepreneurial cybersquatting. I kind of want to buy up all the company names with an ampersand in place of "and."


& is a latin character.

 
George_Spelvin 2009-10-31 12:26:31 PM  
This is great. Since I'm not usually looking for cyrillic blogs (or any blogs for that matter), this'll be one more step in avoiding them.

Maybe browsers will need to add a "Alert me when the URL clicked is outside of my default language".

 
Dansker 2009-10-31 12:29:22 PM  
downstairs: English is the international language, pretty much everyone who has the ability to get onto the Internet knows it, just stick with that for domains.

Using latin characters doesn't equal using English, narrøv.

And why should a Greek website in Greek for Greeks have to use latin letters in the url?

 
IronTom [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 12:31:35 PM  
DamnYankees: www.发尔克.cn?

Wait, was that

www.发尔克.cn

or

www.克尔发.cn?

 
Benni K Rok [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 12:31:53 PM  
George_Spelvin: This is great. Since I'm not usually looking for cyrillic blogs (or any blogs for that matter), this'll be one more step in avoiding them.

Maybe browsers will need to add a "Alert me when the URL clicked is outside of my default language".


Also "Alert me when the URL clicked is in multiple languages"

 
drewkumo 2009-10-31 12:39:09 PM  
Perhaps, but is there any doubt that if another country had "invented" the Internet--say the Russians--that we'd all have had to learn to type Cyrillic characters by now? Moreover, do you think they or the Chinese or Japanese would have changed the Internet just to suit English-speakers.

Why do they hate America?

/beck tears

 
Saners 2009-10-31 12:44:36 PM  
downstairs: lvdata2: Guardian996: Jonny Ninja:

Beware phishing ...

www.ƀankofamerica.com

THIS

THIS

/how many more times can I add THIS before it is considered spam?

I don't know, but I'm adding another THIS.

We don't need more exploits. This is all this goofy idea does. English is the international language, pretty much everyone who has the ability to get onto the Internet knows it, just stick with that for domains.

This is the last place we need more complication.


The only way that would work is if:
1) You type ƀ instead of b
2) You use a horrible search engine
3) You click a link to ƀankofamerica on some random site you never heard of before and proceed to input your bank information.

In all three cases, you are an idiot and deserve it.

 
acronym 2009-10-31 12:51:13 PM  
www.ƒark.com

 
traylor 2009-10-31 12:53:39 PM  
Dansker: downstairs: English is the international language, pretty much everyone who has the ability to get onto the Internet knows it, just stick with that for domains.

Using latin characters doesn't equal using English, narrøv.

And why should a Greek website in Greek for Greeks have to use latin letters in the url?


Dunno, should they?

FYI, we can use our fancy letters, like áéíóő, in URLs for a long time now. Do we use it? No, although sometime they make big differences, like the vowels in kor kór kör, these words have three different meanings, but if we put them in URLs, they each become kor. Of course misread URLs are endless sources of funs but do we care? I think using national letters in URLs are viewed as sad snobbery.

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 12:57:40 PM  
IronTom: DamnYankees: www.发尔克.cn?

Wait, was that

www.发尔克.cn

or

www.克尔发.cn?


Why would it be the latter? Does Kerf mean something?

 
PC LOAD LETTER [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 12:58:58 PM  
Jonny Ninja: unlikely: Not exactly.

The first phase of the Internationalized Domain Names program begins Nov. 16 when countries can apply to ICANN for country codes, such as .us for the United States and .ru for Russia, in their own character sets.

So:
- instead of "youngteenporn.ru" it will now be "hotgirl.po"
- instead or "damned-odd-kink.jp" it will be "damned-odd-kink.日本"

And then later:
Over time, expect to see other domains, such as .com, .org, and .net, become available in other character sets, as well as domain names themselves.

So
- instead of "goryechyie-slabetelnya.ru" it will be "горячие-слабительное.po"

...in other words, sites you wouldn't have visited anyway.

Beware phishing ...

www.ƀankofamerica.com


let's go one furthe: www.bаnҝοfamerісa.com
The K is easy to spot, can you spot the other 3?

 
Benni K Rok [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 01:03:52 PM  
Okay kids, what did we learn today?

NEVER click on a link from e-mail, always go to the main site in the web browser you opened by direct typing the url. Well, unless you did that already.

 
lincoln65 2009-10-31 01:06:11 PM  
שׁשׁשׁ.╒ά®κ.ﮯ○м

It's the new leet!

 
IronTom [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 01:09:34 PM  
DamnYankees: Does Kerf mean something?

From the Urban Dictionary

kerf

get this on a mug or greeting card

to snuggle in a bed in the nude pretending to sleep but in reality making whoopie.

Gee, I'd like to kerf that biatch while his parents are in the other room.

 
The Voice of Sarcastic Reason 2009-10-31 01:12:01 PM  
So, somebody invents a Firefox addon that maps background colours to character sets, and overlays them on links that are written in more than one character set. With an option to automatically block connections to such links that may be clicked. It eventually becomes standard on all browsers.

The end.

 
t3knomanser 2009-10-31 01:14:00 PM  
The Duke of Carrot Flowers: Like I said, this is a bad day for the English language, but a good day for the billions of people who do not speak my mother tongue.

Which makes it sound like this jackass only knows one language. If that's the case, he should be embarrassed. I understand being fluent in only one language- fluency requires a lot of maintenance. But one cannot make a pretense of being learned without being able to spout of basic phrases in at least a second language.

 
Dansker 2009-10-31 01:14:12 PM  
traylor: Dansker: downstairs: English is the international language, pretty much everyone who has the ability to get onto the Internet knows it, just stick with that for domains.

Using latin characters doesn't equal using English, narrøv.

And why should a Greek website in Greek for Greeks have to use latin letters in the url?

Dunno, should they?


I don't think so, but so far they haven't had a choice.

FYI, we can use our fancy letters, like áéíóő, in URLs for a long time now. Do we use it? No, although sometime they make big differences, like the vowels in kor kór kör, these words have three different meanings, but if we put them in URLs, they each become kor. Of course misread URLs are endless sources of funs but do we care? I think using national letters in URLs are viewed as sad snobbery.

How is it "sad snobbery" to want to spell you domain name correctly?
If your website is in your national language, it's already exclusively for people who speak or read it anyway, so who is being snobbed by the URL?


Before special latin letters like æ, ø and å were allowed, Danish websites sometimes had to use weird or archaic spellings, substituting oe or o for ø, ae or e for æ and aa or a for å. It looked stupid, and caused unnessecary confusion. Actually it still does in some cases, since a lot of people haven't discovered that the rules changed.

Of course you can always trust beer drinkers to be on top of things; Danske Ølentusiaster may be beer snobs, but there no snobberi about using the proper abbreviation of their name in the URL: www.dø.dk*

*you'll have to copy/paste the thing if you want to see for yourself; apparently fark hasn't yet accepted that æ, ø, and å are perfectly cromulent in URLs

 
Hollie Maea 2009-10-31 01:32:38 PM  
Wow, this may be the whiniest article on the internet.

 
zimbach 2009-10-31 01:38:22 PM  
PC LOAD LETTER: let's go one furthe: www.bаnҝοfamerісa.com
The K is easy to spot, can you spot the other 3?


b
а - Cyrillic small letter a
n
ҝ - Cyrillic small letter ka with vertical stroke
ο
f
a
m
e
r
і - Cyrillic small letter Byelorussian-Ukranian i
с - Cyrillic small letter es
a

Yes, this could prove highly problematic.

 
austerity101 2009-10-31 01:39:58 PM  
This all sounds rather ethnocentric to me. On the one hand, I can understand that America is responsible for bringing about the internet, but we don't own it, so I don't really see why we should get a say in what languages/alphabets/abjads/characters are used in the URL.

It doesn't seem at all snobby to me to have other countries be able to use their keyboards to type their URLs. They've have to deal with typing Latin/English URLs for a long time and they've done just fine. It's off-putting that Americans still assume that the rest of the world should be inconvenienced so that we are not.

This might actually lead to it be being easier to type in non-Western languages on Western keyboards and computers.

 
trouzourt [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 01:40:34 PM  
PC LOAD LETTER: let's go one furthe: www.bаnҝοfamerісa.com
The K is easy to spot, can you spot the other 3?


FAA .. those are the other three f'd up ones..
what do i get ?

 
traylor 2009-10-31 01:41:01 PM  
Dansker: If your website is in your national language, it's already exclusively for people who speak or read it anyway, so who is being snobbed by the URL?

I will have a hard time when I make up mind to learn Danish, and for that reason, visit some Danish sites. OK I know it's easy to google and bookmark them even if I can't type your special letters, but I don't think there is anything on the net that is exclusive for a group of peoples that speak or read a given language. Anyway, I can accept that for your spelling it is a better choice, I just want to let you know that even we have the choice we don't take it. Even the government agencies abandon the accents in their URLs.

 
Foxxinnia [recently expired TotalFark] 2009-10-31 01:42:51 PM  
Man, think of all the new Chinese URLs there are going to be now.

Hell, if both Traditional and Simplified are allowed there could be thousands of websites that sound the same and mean the same, yet are spelled differently.

 
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