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(Huffington Post) Interesting Gail Zappa writes Wharrgarbl on the future of music for Huffington Post. We're going to need a hippy translator   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 44
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Generation_D [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 09:56:26 AM  
Gail Zappa and her lawyers have made a full time job out of crapping on everything her late great husband stood for.

 
ne2d [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 10:00:09 AM  
I'm not reading anything by anyone who describes herself as a "provocateur."

 
El Chode [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 10:31:29 AM  
I'm on this hippie speak.

 
El Chode [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 10:37:24 AM  
Here are her main points:

1) Echoing Frank's sentiments that the corporate honchos used to be fat men with cigars that wanted to see a profit and would take risks on new acts to see this profit, and at some point in the 70s they abandoned that and started engineering scenes and creating their own demand.

2) As a result of that, the industry has since become disintermediated and the big guys hate that they're no longer as relevant since you don't need a huge advance to build a studio in your basement and distribute via iTunes

3) To compensate for that, big business has infiltrated government to retain their relevance by increasing the term of their copyright, strangling creativity in the name of money. This will either result in no culture being created and a defacto dictatorship, or a state-controlled culture and a fascist state

4) As a result, now we have an industry built on 360 deals for unproven artists who just put on a nice show and the music has been taken out of the music industry in favor of smoke and shadows

5) Yet science will prove there is such thing as creative genius, but the industry will be too afraid of changing their business model to adapt. You will never kill the artist, you'll just deprive people of the ability to be stimulated by art.

In other words, someone got stoned and read a Lessig book.

Fin.

 
El Chode [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 10:40:07 AM  
Also, the music industry has effectively turned the creative process into a mechanical one, and that's why music sucks.

Music also sucks because Frank is dead and they won't release Roxy & Elsewhere on DVD, because goddammit the Zappa Trust owns the copyrights and they can do what they want with them for as long as they want.

Farking commufascists.

 
Shostie [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 10:56:12 AM  
El Chode: Also, the music industry has effectively turned the creative process into a mechanical one, and that's why music sucks.

Music has, does and ever shall suck.

People tend to forget the amount of dreck that has been produced throughout the ages. For every Mozart there were hundreds of second- or lower-tier composers churning out operas and symphonies by the dozen.

 
El Chode [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 10:58:17 AM  
Music has, does and ever shall suck.

People tend to forget the amount of dreck that has been produced throughout the ages. For every Mozart there were hundreds of second- or lower-tier composers churning out operas and symphonies by the dozen.


I think her argument is the fear that the Mozart is going to be stifled while the second-tier composer will become the legend.

Or that the Mozart will be a shill and considered the real deal, and at the very least that people won't demand anything better.

 
ne2d [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 11:00:14 AM  
Shostie: Music has, does and ever shall suck.

People tend to forget the amount of dreck that has been produced throughout the ages.


And the funny thing is, if you started right now and listened to music nonstop, you would die of old age before you ran out of good music.

 
Shostie [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 11:09:11 AM  
ne2d: Shostie: Music has, does and ever shall suck.

People tend to forget the amount of dreck that has been produced throughout the ages.

And the funny thing is, if you started right now and listened to music nonstop, you would die of old age before you ran out of good music.


I disagree. There's PLENTY of great music out there. There are some obscure Eastern European composers who wrote incredible, powerful music. They are, however, little heard outside of their home countries or in hard-core music circles. Keep in mind that the origins of Western music go back as far as the Medieval (if not further). That's hundreds of years of music; some great, some not so great.

 
brap [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 11:10:38 AM  
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Whaddya mean Judes? Just because Mr. Bigmoney won't let us play the Copa Club why gorsh, that don't mean the shows over! Why the shows NEVER over!

We got a barn don't we!
We got a P.A. don't we!
We got an impressive alpine heap of Marshall stacks that makes Motorhead's setup look like they should be playing in a coffee shop!
We got thundering cock-rock supergroup brap and the huggabunch kids to open for us don't we!
So get to popping some corn and selling some tickets!
We're gonna rock this town so freaking hard its balls blister up and fall off!

 
brap [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 11:22:32 AM  
Gee Mick, you forgot a don't we.

Oh that's rich coming from you, ya pillhead!

 
ne2d [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 11:24:07 AM  
Shostie: And the funny thing is, if you started right now and listened to music nonstop, you would die of old age before you ran out of good music.

I disagree. There's PLENTY of great music out there.


I think we're saying the same thing.

 
Shostie [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 11:26:38 AM  
ne2d: Shostie: And the funny thing is, if you started right now and listened to music nonstop, you would die of old age before you ran out of good music.

I disagree. There's PLENTY of great music out there.

I think we're saying the same thing.


You know... You're right. Damn my lack of reading comprehension...

 
Kyosuke [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 11:31:05 AM  
Generation_D: Gail Zappa and her lawyers have made a full time job out of crapping on everything her late great husband stood for.

THIS, dammit. Pulling all of Frank's work off of iTunes was the last straw. I'm just damn lucky I bought as much as I could there before she did that.

Now, instead of Frank's children benefitting from his work, I'll be stealing his music instead.

\yes, I BUY music.

 
Walt_Jizzney 2009-10-30 12:03:11 PM  
WTF? When did HuffPo start letting the Boat People in?

I mean, because of her last name they're letting her submit the equivalent of a pot-induced e-mail as editorial?

God reading that made my brain hurt. Why was this greenlit?

 
GurneyHalleck [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 12:04:26 PM  
Even with El Chode's excellent decode, I still think Gail is going crazier every day. She's trying too hard to pretend that she's as intelligent and talented as her husband was. That essay is full of his quotes and sentence structure, but it reads like a rambling diatribe (and I oughta know).

Gail's superpower is to crush Frank's legacy into a fine powder, remix it and sell it on two discs for $60 with extensive liner notes. She has harangued talented, passionate Zappa cover bands like Project Object (with Zappa alumni), preventing them from performing in major cities by threatening to sue the clubs they attempt to play in order to protect her own Family cover band, the overpriced Zappa Plays Zappa. ZPZ is full of talent, but they don't give you the full Zappa experience like Project Object does. But Gail doesn't make money off of them, so despite the legality of cover bands, and PO's passionate take on Frank's music, she threatens to sue and the clubs back down because they don't want to spend money on lawyers. She's just as much of a fascist as the recording executives she's talking about. Plus she's shooting herself in the foot by attacking a potential generator of interest in the Zappa back catalog.

And she's not releasing Roxy & Elsewhere or 200 Motels.

 
Mr_Fabulous 2009-10-30 12:05:48 PM  
Kyosuke: \yes, I BUY music.

You know what? I do too. I know I don't really have to. But I'm not some impoverished school kid, I can afford to buy the things I want. So I do.

And ever since '256kps without DRM' became the de facto standard of retail d/l music, I've been downloading my music like never before.

2009 has been one of the best years for good rock music in recent memory, but at this point my Album of the Year is probably going to be an album available by download ONLY*.

This is no longer the wave of the future, and anyone in the industry who doesn't get that by now is utterly doomed.

*The Boxer Rebellion - Union

 
madmann [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 12:07:38 PM  
As you can see.... Girls... Music... Disease... Heartbreak... they all go together. Take a tip from Joe. Hock your imaginary guitar and get a good job.

/Music can get you pretty farked up.

 
mesmer242 2009-10-30 12:14:21 PM  
Subby, I thought you were exaggerating on the amount of Wharrgarbl, but that was seriously batty.

 
millia 2009-10-30 12:14:36 PM  
You know, Frank abstained from all drugs and alcohol, right?

I think it's because his wife took/drank it all first.

Apparently, the thing I'll miss most about the death of newspapers is editing.

 
Coelacanth Filet 2009-10-30 12:27:10 PM  
I postulate that the Huffington Post and Livejournal, with their respective site layouts removed, are indistinguishable from one another.

 
Ender912 2009-10-30 12:48:15 PM  
Whoa.... (I tried surrounding this with a [Keanu] tag but that didn't work...) (but instead of square brackets I used triangle brackets)

This article (the one posted) was pretty far out (yes pretty far out man) and had far too many asides (like this one) to maintain readability (not easy to read because of all the parenthesis) and was kind of fake-wordyish (also, tl;dnr).

The old business model for music is dead (, man). Embrace the future my friends, for it is friendly.
\purplemonkeydishwasher

 
buzzhead 2009-10-30 12:52:31 PM  
GurneyHalleck: And she's not releasing Roxy & Elsewhere or 200 Motels.

So glad a few years back I converted my VHS copy of 200 Motels to a DVD. That shiat still blows my mind.

/Magic Fingers for the win

 
the_colonel 2009-10-30 01:20:24 PM  
El Chode, Thanks for the translation. That was a painful read. I think she used up her yearly ration of parenthetical asides. The best paragraph was the one in which she began with her questioning the future of copyrights and worked her way to dictatorships and football vs. the arts without actually getting to copyright issues.

The only thing she left off was a reference to "The Puppy Who Lost Its Way" and "Knibb High football rules!"

 
El Chode [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 01:25:21 PM  
the_colonel: The only thing she left off was a reference to "The Puppy Who Lost Its Way" and "Knibb High football rules!"

Or a reference to a certain town in California known for growing turkeys

 
Irving Maimway 2009-10-30 01:49:27 PM  
If Gail weren't reaping the benefits of a lengthy copyright extension, I might care what she thinks. As it is, I want Frank back on iTunes and 200 Motels on DVD.

//Opal you hot little biatch!

 
Rev. Skarekroe [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 02:15:26 PM  
Kyosuke: Now, instead of Frank's children benefitting from his work, I'll be stealing his music instead.

Frank's children are all grownups. Let them benefit from their own work.

 
mrEdude 2009-10-30 02:37:58 PM  
Gail Zappa?

Some people achieve greatness,
some people are born to greatness,

and some people have greatness thrust into them.

 
Obnox [recently expired TotalFark] 2009-10-30 02:39:06 PM  
That Gail Zappa shiat has plooked the fark out of me
And there's still a long way to go
Before she's fit for decent society.
And all she ever really wanted to do was
Smash guitarists' fingers
and make them scream like
Ahhh-oooh-ahhhh-oooooh, owowowoawiiiiie!

 
poot_rootbeer 2009-10-30 02:56:54 PM  
"Fans. I hate them." -GZ

 
Slu 2009-10-30 02:57:24 PM  
Generation_D: Gail Zappa and her lawyers have made a full time job out of crapping on everything her late great husband stood for.

Over in one. I hate Gail with the heat of a 1000 suns.

 
poot_rootbeer 2009-10-30 03:00:39 PM  
Walt_Jizzney: When did HuffPo start letting the Boat People in?

Well, Gail's primary contribution to music has been singing as part of the "Yachtly Crüe" chorus that provided background on the Dweezil Zappa / Bobcat Goldthwait song "I Want A Yacht", so the label rather fits.

/I want a yacht, bought by you
//Nothing less will ever do

 
poot_rootbeer 2009-10-30 03:04:51 PM  
Rev. Skarekroe: Frank's children are all grownups.

Just because Diva, the youngest, is now in her 30's doesn't mean any of them are really grown up. (Though Moon Unit does seem remarkably well-adjusted.)

 
zez 2009-10-30 03:22:14 PM  
Read the article in the central scrutinizer voice and it's much cooler.

 
the8re 2009-10-30 03:31:37 PM  
FTFA: Music is exactly like sex in the sense that while human orifices are involved in the experience, the really fun part happens in the brain..."

Describes my sex life precisely.

/Except sans orifices.

 
The_one_with_that_guy 2009-10-30 06:15:52 PM  
I (attempted to) read the article (in question) but the (liberal) use of parentheses (really) got to (me).

 
swahnhennessy 2009-10-30 06:37:36 PM  
What kind of name is 'Gail' for a Zappa?

 
Kyosuke [TotalFark] 2009-10-30 08:37:43 PM  
swahnhennessy: What kind of name is 'Gail' for a Zappa?

A Zappa by signature only.

 
tabula_rasta 2009-10-30 09:33:41 PM  
Dear Gail,

No one cares what you think about anything. The fact that you can't express the simplest idea in a cogent form only makes it easier to ignore you.

Love,
Everybody

 
Ishkur 2009-10-30 09:56:00 PM  
It's actually a cyclical thing.

The music industry is like a pendulum that periodically swings from "control by the suits" to "control by the artists". Most of the time, the music is predominantly controlled by the suits -- the executives and label owners and investors and businesses who have a vested stake in the production of music but don't actually produce any. But every so often their pop mandate gets too insipid even for a docile music public to digest, and there's a Hegelian backlash to return the music to a purer, more real sound, which lingers for a few years while the suits back off, regroup, figure out how to market this new sound, and seize control of it again, slowly watering it down for mass consumption over time until there is another revolution. The late 50s and early 60s had a polished pop sheen on it so revoltingly wholesome that early Beatles records were a welcome, refreshing pace, and their middle and latter ventures sparked the late 60s championing of creativity and honest, earnest originality in music; the industry controlled by the artists. The same thing happened in the 70s when dirty black funk was softened into milquetoast, white disco (and the backlash to that was punk: raw, real, energetic emotion).

Each time the suits seize creative control of the music back from the artists, the machine of pop music gets better at what it does. For an example of this, check the late 80s. A streamlined marketing juggernaut that vaulted pop starlets like Tiffany and boybands like New Kids on the Block onto every teenage girl's bedroom wall. It also seemed that the business had become self-aware of the cycle, and was making efforts to prevent the backlash from happening too quickly or being too bad, and it was keen on evolving its sound to avoid the critical mass that was to follow. Indeed, it would require a major catastrophic event to bring pop music to its knees.

That event came on November 15 1990, when Milli Vanilli played a live performance on MTV, only to have the record skip. It wasn't the event itself that was so shocking; the public has always known that pop music is manufactured, cheap, and fake. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain and all that. They just dislike it when the manufactured, cheap facade is so transparent. People aren't as interested in the lie as they are in its persuasiveness.

The stars must have really been aligned that Fall. In concert with the Milli Vanilli farce was Guns n Roses, the reigning kings of the opposite end of the music industry: hard rock and metal. They released not one but TWO albums, both filled to the brim with incredible, ambitious progressive rock. Over 150 minutes of music. Nine of the songs were over six minutes long. Named "Use Your Illusion I & II", the band ventured to use everything, from orchestras, piano changes, operatic set pieces, and even straight-ahead goofy 80s heavy metal. In short, they were no longer making music; they were making art. And the albums would've gone down in history as one of the most fascinating pieces of rock music ever, except for one thing that no one -- especially them -- could have foreseen.

A couple months later, in January 1991, Nirvana released Smells Like Teen Spirit. Like a break in the clouds, it was the simultaneous antidote to the bloated excesses of heavy metal and the plastic sheen of pop that had betrayed the public. That one song, and the accompanying album "Nevermind", suddenly made everything pop and rock were trying to do -- all their excesses, all their extravagances, all their big hair and flashy clothes and massive stadium concerts and dance choreography and plastic, perfect smiles and squealing guitars which had dominated the music industry for ten years -- suddenly seemed very terribly uncool.

Heavy metal was dead. Pop music was dead. The public did not want pretty faces and mass-produced artists anymore. No more cover ups, no more boob jobs, no more plastic surgery and plastic people singing canned, plastic songs. People wanted something REAL, something unprocessed and unpolished. Grunge was in. Nirvana was the spearpoint of a revolution, a change in music psychology. The magazines doted over them, the press reported incessantly about them, labels scrambled to Seattle to sign similar bands, everyone cut their hair and dressed in flannel. The style on the stage was angst, blue-collar, non-showmanship, and almost faux-homelessness. The very antithesis that music stood for in the yuppified, Reaganomically me-80s. The hype machine was in full swing, and for the first half of the 90s, everything was grunge, and grunge was everything.

For a few years, the artists again dictated what music should sound like and what direction they wanted to take it (and this is why Farkers always talk about the early 90s being the last great musical era). But, as it always does, the pop industry crept back, learned the rules of their game, and co-opted the spoils of their musical creativity. It wasn't until the late 90s that pop music felt the waves were calm enough to assault the charts again. Brittney, Christina, Jessica, Mandy, and the boybands that were literally carbon copies of each other retook the airwaves from the real musicians (it also helped that they were riding the wave of a demographic baby boom in the 80s, so there were more tweens to market the music to). The system is now in more control of its product than it has ever been at any time in the past, and thanks to the all-pervasive media and the global reach of the internet, it is possible to make pop stars by proxy. It's no mistake that the latest formula for pop star success is nepotism, as evidenced by Aaron Carter (brother of Backstreet Boy Nick), Kelly Osbourne (daughter of Ozzy), Hailey Duff (sister of Hilary), Jamie Spears (sister of Britney), Noah Cyrus (daughter of Billy Ray, sister of Miley) and Ashlee Simpson (coddled sister of airhead Jessica).

But pop music will fail again. It will get sloppy and complacent, and artists will wrestle for control. It always happens.

/sorry for the essay

 
Thunderboy 2009-10-30 10:37:19 PM  
El Chode: Here are her main points:

Good gravy, thank you. I had three aneurysms trying to make sense out of that jibber-jabber.

 
Benni K Rok [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 01:29:58 PM  
Ishkur: But pop music will fail again. It will get sloppy and complacent, and artists will wrestle for control. It always happens.

This time with the power of the internet, there is a possibilty that they may not get it back if they lose it again. This is a very real and terrifying event for them. Compared this, they don't care about stolen songs.

 
Benni K Rok [TotalFark] 2009-10-31 01:30:44 PM  
Benni K Rok: Ishkur: But pop music will fail again. It will get sloppy and complacent, and artists will wrestle for control. It always happens.

This time with the power of the internet, there is a possibilty that they may not get it back if they lose it again. This is a very real and terrifying event for them. Compared to this, they don't care about stolen songs.


FTFM

 
dennerman 2009-11-01 09:03:09 AM  
Ishkur: It's actually a cyclical thing.
...


Good point and an excellent read.

 
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