Given the way the 787 program is going, South Carolina will be under water from global warming by the time they get the first line running, let alone the second one.

So, I guess the message of the day is "extorting your employer may have consequences" ??

Unions in CA, and WA need sharp kick in the balls. $40 an hour for laborers... yeah, that sounds reasonable.

The plane isn't even in production yet, so Boeing's long history of labor trouble's isn't exactly in play except for being a part of Boeing's history. And South Carolina is merely a right to work state, doesn't mean they won't end up with a unionized shop.

Cubansaltyballs: $40 an hour for laborers..

Given what they're building, not unreasonable at all.

If they went with Everett, where would they put the new lines? The south end of Paine Field is all locked up by Tramco and the Air Guard base. You could shoehorn it into the existing hangers, but that would be a bit of a mess. The area behind Boeing is all developed now, anyways. Intermec and Fluke are in the areas adjacent to the Boeing property. Lots of other light industrial have moved into the other spots.

Then you have transportation issues. I-405 and I-5 are a mess. They basically have to truck parts at night from vendors on the south side of Seattle. That really restricts their schedule.

I recall Boeing talking about Moses Lake as a new assembly locale, but to be honest, I think Boeing is sick of Washington. South Carolina is a right to work state. Washington is a closed shop union state. The IAM is fairly entrenched in Washington, while the guys in South Carolina voted them out. Boeing management and the IAM play about as nicely together as GM and the UAW do.

Charleston is also closer to their Chicago HQ. Makes me wonder if that played any part, too.

WhyteRaven74: Given what they're building, not unreasonable at all.

From what my friends who used to work out on the line have told me, the majority of the work isn't that complicated.

The wiring is fairly complex, and there are some places where fastener tolerances are less than a millimeter, but that's all been validated in the CATIA mock ups, so it is mostly following blue prints.

WhyteRaven74: Cubansaltyballs: $40 an hour for laborers..

Given what they're building, not unreasonable at all.

I didn't say machinist. I said laborers. You know, they guys that sweep up, guide the forklifts, drag around wheelbarrows and such.

Laborers the most unskilled on the entire construction site.

I have no idea what Boeing is paying, just giving an example of how out of control the unions have gotten in CA, WA, NJ, and other deep blue states.

Dinjiin: the majority of the work isn't that complicated.

I know it's for the most part not complicated work, however you don't want someone doing a slop job because they don't feel they're being paid too poorly to do it right.

WhyteRaven74: Dinjiin: the majority of the work isn't that complicated.

I know it's for the most part not complicated work, however you don't want someone doing a slop job because they don't feel they're being paid too poorly to do it right.

Yes. Most union work results in a slop job.

They are never paid enough. Carpenters should be paid $275k per year and work 30 hours a week, and auto workers should also be paid $450k per year but will work 40 hours a week.

That is how unions act.

Also, don't forget that many union firefighters in Las Vegas make $100-250k per year... while holding second jobs they work during the 2 weeks per month they are off.

WhyteRaven74: Dinjiin: the majority of the work isn't that complicated.

I know it's for the most part not complicated work, however you don't want someone doing a slop job because they don't feel they're being paid too poorly to do it right.

How much they get paid doesnt really make a difference. Theres a reason they call it the Lazy-B around here.

WhyteRaven74: you don't want someone doing a slop job because they don't feel they're being paid too poorly to do it right.

Who do you think is going to be more mindful: somebody who can be fired immediately for doing a slop job, or somebody who has the protection of union reps?

I used to work in a closed shop that was represented by the Teamsters. People who should have been fired were not because they got the union involved. Even after the union drama, they continued to fark off, secure in their knowledge that it would be difficult to remove them.

I have no firsthand knowledge if the IAM is like that, but I've heard that the UAW is, and a lot of people say that the IAM is like the UAW.

SEC over Pac10 is really a no-brainer, at least this year. So long as we're not talking about Tennessee.

WhyteRaven74: doesn't mean they won't end up with a unionized shop.

While this is true somehow BMW, Caterpillar, Honda a whole host of other companies are operating in SC with out one.

If you're not forced to join a union and you get to think about it logically, you don't end up in one. There's no "Seniority" no "I spent years at the bottom now I'm getting mine" mentality.

The UAW nuts flier one of our plants every 6 months. Come stand right off of our property and hand out fliers as everyone drives in. And twice a year the janitors have to work extra hard cleaning them up.

When BMW opened their plant in SC, you HAD to have a college degree to even be considered for factory work. They didn't care what it was in, liberal arts, math, science, teaching, as long as it was a college degree.

The shiat storm from this is gonna lead to some interesting political ads.....(this Washington, not that Washington)

South Carolina phallic object trifecta in play? (Pops)

From an unemployed Seattle resident, THANKS A FARKING LOT IAM!

Tourney3p0: SEC over Pac10 is really a no-brainer, at least this year. So long as we're not talking about Tennessee.

counterpoint: the Gamecocks
/hoping for a South Carolina/Oregon State game someday

Who do these strikers think they are? Free men living in a Democratic Republic??


idiot strikers.

Funny what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you.

Dancin_In_Anson: Funny what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you.

Funny how the hand that feeds you won't hesitate to jerk that food away at a whim.

Thanks Boeing for staying in the US. Not all Union-extorted businesses have stayed, which truly hurts everyone.

Occam's Chainsaw: Funny how the hand that feeds you won't hesitate to jerk that food away at a whim.

Which is why it's not a good idea to bite said hand, no?

Occam's Chainsaw: Funny how the hand that feeds you won't hesitate to jerk that food away at a whim.

IAM's strike last year was both lengthy and unjustified and they've been doing that a LOT over the past decade or so, I don't blame Boeing for getting out of Dodge as soon as the option was available

The IAM guys here have an incredibly entitled attitude, check out some of their quotes in the Seattle Times

Cubansaltyballs: $40 an hour for laborers... yeah, that sounds reasonable.

MT4's start @ 11.74 and max out about 32 an hour after 6 plus years of service and continued training... but don't let facts get in your way.

It's only airplanes they are building.

WhyteRaven74: Cubansaltyballs: $40 an hour for laborers..

Given what they're building, not unreasonable at all.

Funny, would you pay farm-hands $40 an hour to grow your food for you?

I'd think food is more important than airliners.

Linux_Yes: Who do these strikers think they are? Free men living in a Democratic Republic??


idiot strikers.

They have the right to strike, and employers have a right to hire other people. See how that works?