Not THIS American!

However, US distributors turned down the film that will prove divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll taken in February, only 39 per cent of people believe in the theory of evolution.

Bullshiat! They must have targeted the "Bible Belt" for that statistic. Fsck Gallup.

coyote1284: Bullshiat! They must have targeted the "Bible Belt" for that statistic. Fsck Gallup.

I can't remember the wording exactly but it was one of those polls that said something like "Do you believe that God created the world in exactly 6 days 6,000 years and 2 hours ago, or do you wish to commit your eternal soul to hell, become a pedophile, and believe in evolution?"

I'll watch it. Sounds interesting. Fark you if you don't like it.

In order for you to prove the theory of evolution and to have it universally accepted by all people as true fact, you must first completely destroy the Holy Bible and all it teaches us.

There can be no Creator. No God. No miracles. God cannot possibly have created the Earth or the Heavens or Man and every Creature that walks swims or crawls. There was no Adam and Eve. No Garden of Eden. No original sin. There was no Noah. No Ark. No flood. No Moses. No burning bush. No Ten Commandments handed down from God. Jesus cannot possibly have been the Son of God, nor could he have died on the cross for our sins. The Resurrection could not possibly have happened. There is no Saviour and no Salvation. No life after death. No Heaven. No Hell. No God. No Satan. No good vs evil.

Therefore all of Christianity, in fact, all of all religions are simply mythical fairy tales based on lies and superstition.
The theory of evolution does not allow for the Holy Bible, or miracles including the miracle of Creation, the miracle of life, etc, or God our Creator, or Jesus Christ, or Christianity, Judaism, etc.

The Declaration of Independence is therefore also a lie. If there is no Creator, our rights cannot possibly have come from God. In other words, we have no unalienable rights. Our rights would only be what the government allows us.

The Declaration would be null and void and the founding would have been based on lies rather than "these truths we hold self-evident."

The first amendment would simply be a cruel joke. The Bill of Rights would have no foundation on truth or unalienable rights from God and that would also make the entire Constitution of the United States null and void. All laws based on the Ten Commandments would be null and void. There would be no God to guide our judges and no reason not to bear false witness.

Our entire American history, in fact all of civilization would be based on nothing but lies. Our ancestors passed down lies to our grand parents and parents and they lied to us and we have taught our children nothing but lies.

This is exactly what the Marxists (leftists) would have us believe.

If you destroy belief in the Creator, you destroy belief in God, Christianity, Judaism, etc. You destroy our entire civilized society and reason for being. We would be left with nothing but chaos and anarchy. A Marxist dream come true.

Believers in the theory of evolution may not be Marxists, but they are pushing exactly what the Marxists want pushed. And that makes it political.

And I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with science. Along with everything else, God created all knowledge and that includes the modern miracle of science

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Movieguide.org, an influential site that reviews films from a Christian perspective, described Darwin as the father of eugenics and denounced him as "a racist, a bigot and an 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder". His "half-baked theory" influenced Adolf Hitler and led to "atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic engineering", the site stated.

I knew it! Hitler wasn't at fault! He was merely a shadow puppet to support Darwin's theory of jew killing evolution!

CDP: prove the theory

Fail.

CDP: all of all religions are simply mythical fairy tales based on lies and superstition.

QFT

At least the Subgenii admit it.

A BRITISH film about Charles Darwin has failed to find a US distributor because his theory of evolution is too controversial for American audiences, according to its producer.

William Castle would be proud of this guy.

NO ONE WILL BE SEATED during the controversial EVOLUTION sequence!

CougarJeff: CDP: prove the theory

Fail.

They alleged that the creation of Adam is an 'anti-scientific nonsense', and God did not create Adam from a handful of dust, like the Bible says. To my readers, see how these blatant liars are 'wrestling' the words of the Bible. Their allegation and their pre-conceived idea are not written in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible can you find a verse that Adam was created by God from a handful of dust. What is written is recorded in Genesis 2:7, which says:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

While it is true that God created man from the dust of the ground, the phrase "handful of dust" is absent in the verse! It is conceived it the minds of these perverts. Be that as it may, the information in the Bible is scientific! Granting, without accepting, that there is such a thing as a 'handful of dust', whose hands will be the measuring hands for the dust that God will use in the formation of Adam? People who cremate the dead have an idea of how much dust will be left of the human body after cremation. I am sure it is not a sack of dust; but very close to a handful - depending on the hands that holds them. And why is it scientific? God made man from the dust; and when his body dies it decomposes and turns again to dust.

(Genesis 3:19) "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

What are the scientific proof that man's body came from the dust of the ground, as the Bible says? The human body is made up of materials and minerals found on the surface of the ground, and not from the core of the earth. Oxygen, being the most abundant element on the earth's crust or on the ground, makes up 65 percent of the human body, and carbon, also abundant on the top soil of the ground, is 18 percent, and hydrogen is 10 percent. The 59 elements found in the human body are all found on the earths crust.

This is amazing because what the Bible says perfectly match the scientific composition of a human body.

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CDP: If you destroy belief in the Creator, you destroy belief in God, Christianity, Judaism, etc. You destroy our entire civilized society and reason for being. We would be left with nothing but chaos and anarchy.

You say that likes it's a bad thing.

Creation, starring Briton Paul Bettany, details the naturalist's "struggle between faith and reason" as he wrote On the Origin of Species.

It depicts him as a man who loses faith in God after the death of his daughter, Annie, 10.

While I still think someone should have picked it up, it sounds much more like a piece about how science makes you not believe in god than something actually new or interesting about evolution.
Sounds like the focus is about losing faith in god, which is propaganda, not science. It's an ironic side doing the propaganda, but that doesn't change what it is.

@CDP: *facepalm* I dont know where to start with you. I could hope that you are just a troll, inserting a canned response into every evolution discussion you see, and not take you seriously. Or I could take you seriously and deconstruct your argument.

A Scientific Theory is a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules that express relationships between observations of such concepts. The Theory of Evolution is exactly that because it is still being tested and observed, but it is not a guess. It is measurable, observable, testable, and improvable. As new verifiable imformation is discovered a theory can change. Just because it does not match 100% with your Creation story that a superior being that has total inflence on the Universe and exists outside it completely physically hand crafted all reality as you know it and personally built a golem and a partner golem from that one is not an indication that a theory, formed with our infitessimally small human understanding of the world and universe, from our experience and what we can observe, in ANY WAY DISPROVES THE EXISTANCE OF YOUR GOD.

/rant

coyote1284

It may not disprove the existence of god, but it goes a long way towards eliminating the necessity of god or a creator. One of the arguments used by the faithful is nothing as complicated as man could just come into being. Darwin shows us a way that a complicated creature could derive from simpler iterations of life. I think some people, surely not all, believe in a god creature for the very reason of the complexity of man and our relationship to the environment. Once that is taken away you start to loosen the stranglehold that religion can have on people by offering an alternative in which a god is not needed.

coyote1284: @CDP: *facepalm* I dont know where to start with you. I could hope that you are just a troll, inserting a canned response into every evolution discussion you see, and not take you seriously. Or I could take you seriously and deconstruct your argument.

A Scientific Theory is a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules that express relationships between observations of such concepts. The Theory of Evolution is exactly that because it is still being tested and observed, but it is not a guess. It is measurable, observable, testable, and improvable. As new verifiable imformation is discovered a theory can change. Just because it does not match 100% with your Creation story that a superior being that has total inflence on the Universe and exists outside it completely physically hand crafted all reality as you know it and personally built a golem and a partner golem from that one is not an indication that a theory, formed with our infitessimally small human understanding of the world and universe, from our experience and what we can observe, in ANY WAY DISPROVES THE EXISTANCE OF YOUR GOD.

/rant

Intelligent design is a scientific theory which has its roots in information theory and observations about intelligent action. Intelligent design theory makes inferences based upon observations about the types of complexity that can be produced by the action of intelligent agents vs. the types of information that can be produced through purely natural processes to infer that life was designed by an intelligence or multiple intelligences. It makes no statements about the identity of the intelligent designer(s), but merely says that intelligent action was involved at some points with the origins of various aspects of biological life.

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My sister lives in Darwin, so I'm getting a kick...

Also, is it just me or does He-who-must-not-be-named-or-he-will-be-summoned-to-this-thread have a new screen name?

Since the link is now farked, I was unable to RTFA, but maybe, just maybe, this is a plot to generate controversy and free publicity, just like "The Passion of the Christ" was "so controversial" it was unable to get a published in France.

Or of course, there's always the second option:

coyote1284: Not THIS American!

However, US distributors turned down the film that will prove divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll taken in February, only 39 per cent of people believe in the theory of evolution.

Bullshiat! They must have targeted the "Bible Belt" for that statistic. Fsck Gallup.



In about 50 years time, the majority of the leading biologists in the world should probably be non-American. And notice how it is socialist states with indoctrination in schools that lead the board in belief in evolution? I guess it just goes to prove that evolution is for the godless socialists in some people's eyes.

/Godless socialist

Cornwell: Since the link is now farked, I was unable to RTFA

A BRITISH film about Charles Darwin has failed to find a US distributor because his theory of evolution is too controversial for American audiences, according to its producer.

Creation, starring Briton Paul Bettany, details the naturalist's "struggle between faith and reason" as he wrote On the Origin of Species.

It depicts him as a man who loses faith in God after the death of his daughter, Annie, 10.

The film was chosen to open the Toronto Film Festival and has its British premiere today. It has been sold in almost every territory around the world, from Australia to Scandinavia.

However, US distributors turned down the film that will prove divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll taken in February, only 39 per cent of people believe in the theory of evolution.

Movieguide.org, an influential site that reviews films from a Christian perspective, described Darwin as the father of eugenics and denounced him as "a racist, a bigot and an 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder". His "half-baked theory" influenced Adolf Hitler and led to "atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic engineering", the site stated.

The film, based on the book Annie's Box by Darwin's great-great-grand-son, Randal Keynes, has caused debate on other Christian websites in America.

Jeremy Thomas, the Oscar-winn-ing producer, said he was surprised that such attitudes still existed.

"That's what we're up against, in 2009," he said. "It's amazing. It has got a deal everywhere else in the world but in the US, and it's because of what the film is about."

Early reviews have rated the film highly. The Hollywood Reporter said: "It would be a great shame if those with religious convictions spurned the film out of hand as they will find it even-handed and wise."

Cornwell: Or of course, there's always the second option:

Wanna bet? I forget the exact number but something like 67% or more of Americans believe in a god creature. They are either stupid or batshiat crazy and should not be out of the house on their own.

coyote1284: Bullshiat! They must have targeted the "Bible Belt" for that statistic. Fsck Gallup.

From Another Thread: Using this table from census.gov (also on Pew), the three-hundred and four million census estimate from 2008, and the Religion Vs. Evolution Pew research:

Break-down of Christians who do not believe that 'evolution is the best explanation for the origins of human life on Earth':

public int pop = 304000000;

Catholic ---------------------- 30,515,520 (pop * .239 * .42)
Orthodox ------------------------- 839,040 (pop * .006 * .46)
Mainline Protestant ----------- 26,961,760 (pop * .181 * .49)
Historically Black Protestant - 13,005,120 (pop * .239 * .62)
Evangelical Protestant -------- 60,763,520 (pop * .263 * .76)
Mormon ------------------------- 4,031,040 (pop * .017 * .78)
Jehova's Witness --------------- 1,957,760 (pop * .007 * .92)

Total: 138,073,760
Total Christian Population*: 237,424,000
% Christians that do not believe that 'evolution is the best explanation for the origins of human life on Earth': 58.1

*.3% of 'Other Christians' represented in demographics that were not included in the 'evolution is the best explanation for the origins of human life on Earth' graphic have been omitted; accounts for roughly 912,000 people.

Information based upon this study

Well, at least you'll be able to see the movie
The Mysterious Islands (link pops to official site, yes there is flash).

"The cinematically beautiful adventure film was shot earlier this year and examines the same unusual creatures Darwin saw while on the Galapagos Islands, and repudiates the findings he made there that formed the basis of his Theory of Evolution.

"This October and November, Americans and other Westerners will be confronted with an unprecedented onslaught of pro-evolutionary propaganda as the major media and leaders of academia heap praise on Charles Darwin, the patron saint of evolutionism," noted Doug Phillips, who served as Executive Producer of The Mysterious Islands.

"New pro-Darwin feature films will be launched, including Creation, a major motion picture produced by atheists and starring an outspoken atheist that will present a negative perspective on the biblical account of origins," remarked Phillips. "Major international events will be held honoring Darwin in such places as the University of Chicago. The Darwin-hype is about to reach a feverish pitch as protagonists of evolutionism celebrate the 150th anniversary of Darwin's Origin of Species.

"Christians look to Jerusalem, Muslims to Mecca, but for the followers of Charles Darwin, the Galapagos Archipelago is the spiritual homeland to their evolutionary faith," Phillips observed. "Our film - shot on ground-zero of evolutionism - will be a counter-offensive to the Darwin adulation that blows holes in the conclusions he formed while observing the wonder-filled creatures that inhabit the Galapagos Islands."

Told through the eyes of 16-year-old Joshua Phillips, The Mysterious Islands presents a remarkable quest to Darwin's Eden with Joshua, his father, and a team of scientists and investigators including Dr. John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research.

The Mysterious Islands is a fast-paced film that tracks their journey of discovery as they walk where Darwin walked and engage with the amazing animals that he chronicled during his Voyage of the Beagle. Their mission: to determine whether the Galapagos Islands are a laboratory for evolution, as Darwinists claim, or a showcase for creation.

Along the way, the film examines intriguing questions that Darwin failed to answer, or that he just got wrong: Why do the animals on these islands appear to have little fear of man? Why have some of the creatures of the Galapagos developed such unusual characteristics - are these phenomena evidences of evolution or something else? Does natural selection produce new kinds of animals, or just variations within the same kinds?"

Sounds like quite the show.

ninjakirby: [TFA]

Okay, so I guess my answer is option two then.

Do you even have schools left, America, or have you burned them all down as witchcraft centres?

/partially joking

Cornwell: this is a plot to generate controversy and free publicity

Yes.

Hollywood would show anything to make a buck. If they aren't showing the movie it's because there's no financial advantage in doing so.

I hate biopics.

So you lived your life, awesome.
Now go away and let me live mine.

This had better get a Canadian distributor because I really want to see it.

That this is an issue in America is simply astounding. I would like to point out that I went to school in rural Mississippi not all that long ago (graduated 1994) in a very religious community...but we were taught evolution by biology teachers, and creation in church. Why is this so hard for the religious to comprehend? Everything has its place and/or season, to paraphrase the book of Ecclesiastes, so teach science in school and teach religion in church. Let folks decide for themselves, and quit preempting ideas no matter how outlandish, sinful, or foolish they seem. They (i.e., ideas) can stand or fall on their own.

snuff3r: Do you even have schools left, America, or have you burned them all down as witchcraft centres?

/partially joking

We use them as flea markets, churches, and occasionally places where Newspeak is taught by cowed public servants who are terrified of recess, tag, and for some reason peanuts.

/partially joking

Let's see, we've had pretty much every other kind of film get distribution in the US, including "The Last Temptation of Christ."

Controversy sells tickets.

Maybe the problem with this flick isn't the subject matter, but that it's not a very good movie?

Meanwhile, lots of other movies with less-controversial subjects don't get shown in those "smart" countries...

FTA: However, US distributors turned down the film that will prove divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll taken in February, only 39 per cent of people believe in the theory of evolution.

I find myself shaking my head at that much the way I do at the dismemberment of albinos for witchcraft purposes in Tanzania.

I mean seriously?

coyote1284: @CDP: *facepalm* I dont know where to start with you. I could hope that you are just a troll, inserting a canned response into every evolution discussion you see, and not take you seriously. Or I could take you seriously and deconstruct your argument.

A Scientific Theory is a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules that express relationships between observations of such concepts. The Theory of Evolution is exactly that because it is still being tested and observed, but it is not a guess. It is measurable, observable, testable, and improvable. As new verifiable imformation is discovered a theory can change. Just because it does not match 100% with your Creation story that a superior being that has total inflence on the Universe and exists outside it completely physically hand crafted all reality as you know it and personally built a golem and a partner golem from that one is not an indication that a theory, formed with our infitessimally small human understanding of the world and universe, from our experience and what we can observe, in ANY WAY DISPROVES THE EXISTANCE OF YOUR GOD.

/rant

It seems unlikely that you've been here for almost three years and you don't know CDP's schtick. I will give you a hint: Look at the cartoon TOO.

Woohoo, I found out a Canadian distributor has it already. This should guarantee it being shown in Vancouver.

Inherit The Wind was written by two dudes from Ohio, starred American actors, was funded with American money and distributed in America. In 1960, when prayer in class was common.

Their lack of finding distribution has nothing to do with controversy.

This is a publicity stunt.

It was also nominated for four Academy Awards (I didn't know that part, I had to look it up.)

cirby: Let's see, we've had pretty much every other kind of film get distribution in the US, including "The Last Temptation of Christ."

Controversy sells tickets.

Maybe the problem with this flick isn't the subject matter, but that it's not a very good movie?

Meanwhile, lots of other movies with less-controversial subjects don't get shown in those "smart" countries...

1. It's gotten really good reviews from what I've read of the TIFF coverage. People are saying it's Oscar bait.

2. Which movies with less-controversial subjects don't get shown in "smart" countries? I know in Canada we can get pretty much anything. It's the same in the UK and France.

dahmers love zombie: coyote1284: @CDP: *facepalm* I dont know where to start with you. I could hope that you are just a troll, inserting a canned response into every evolution discussion you see, and not take you seriously. Or I could take you seriously and deconstruct your argument.

A Scientific Theory is a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules that express relationships between observations of such concepts. The Theory of Evolution is exactly that because it is still being tested and observed, but it is not a guess. It is measurable, observable, testable, and improvable. As new verifiable imformation is discovered a theory can change. Just because it does not match 100% with your Creation story that a superior being that has total inflence on the Universe and exists outside it completely physically hand crafted all reality as you know it and personally built a golem and a partner golem from that one is not an indication that a theory, formed with our infitessimally small human understanding of the world and universe, from our experience and what we can observe, in ANY WAY DISPROVES THE EXISTANCE OF YOUR GOD.

/rant

It seems unlikely that you've been here for almost three years and you don't know CDP's schtick. I will give you a hint: Look at the cartoon TOO.

He may be unknown in the showbiz tab

America, I love you, I really do, but this type of shiat is getting old...why are so many people trying to drag you back to the Dark Ages?

The real reason:

bobbette: This had better get a Canadian distributor because I really want to see it.

I'm sure it will, especially since it screened at the Toronto Film Fest. We have a lot less of the drooling morons who get all their knowledge from a single book up here. Well, maybe not Alberta.

I
/fell for it once before

There can be no Creator. No God. No miracles. God cannot possibly have created the Earth or the Heavens or Man and every Creature that walks swims or crawls. There was no Adam and Eve. No Garden of Eden. No original sin. There was no Noah. No Ark. No flood. No Moses. No burning bush. No Ten Commandments handed down from God. Jesus cannot possibly have been the Son of God, nor could he have died on the cross for our sins. The Resurrection could not possibly have happened. There is no Saviour and no Salvation. No life after death. No Heaven. No Hell. No God. No Satan. No good vs evil.

I'm there. Sign me up!

Talon: I
/fell for it once before

Damned the carrot symbol doesn't work. Let's try this again

I *heart* you CDP. I also *heart* the people who fall for it.

/fell for it once before

More than anything this disappoints me in Americans. Our collective lack of education and abhorrent dismissal of fact in favor of mysticism is utterly depressing.

Talon: Talon: I
/fell for it once before

Damned the carrot symbol doesn't work. Let's try this again

I *heart* you CDP. I also *heart* the people who fall for it.

/fell for it once before

I always love checking to see just how lone someone has been here when they fall for it.

cirby: Maybe the problem with this flick isn't the subject matter, but that it's not a very good movie?

Meanwhile, lots of other movies with less-controversial subjects don't get shown in those "smart" countries...

You mean like Pauly Shore movies?

Aw, I would like to see a film on Darwin. I read Origin of Species ages ago...I remember it was a surprisingly fun read for what it was.

wtf is this doing languishing on the "Showbiz" tab? it's Saturday!