FTFA - At one point, confronted by an audience member holding a picture of President Obama defaced to make Obama look like Hitler who asked how he could support Nazi policies, Frank asked "on what planet do you spend most of your time?" When asked if he would respond to the question, he said "trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table."

Okay, maybe not the most professional response he could've given, but sometimes you've gotta be frank with people just to get through to them.

FTFA - When accused along with Obama and others of being secretly in favor of a single-payer health system, Frank responded "It's been twenty-one years since I had a secret."

Oh, SNAP!

It's funny, because this is utterly ridiculous and Frank is entirely right to admonish this idiot. However, he is Barney Frank, so this will be conservative outrage number 1 first thing in the morning after Malkin or someone stays up all night twisting this into 2000 words so they can collect a paycheck this week.

Ah Mr. Frank I knew there was a reason I liked you.

Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Action Replay Nick: It's funny, because this is utterly ridiculous and Frank is entirely right to admonish this idiot. However, he is Barney Frank, so this will be conservative outrage number 1 first thing in the morning after Malkin or someone stays up all night twisting this into 2000 words so they can collect a paycheck this week.

I anticipate some razor sharp gay and fat jokes.

I now have a new level of respect for this man.

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Conservative fear-mongering =/= uncomfortable question.

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

I'm sorry. What exactly was the uncomfortable question there?

If that woman did have a sliver of a point to make in all her whargarbl, she lost her chance to get a rational response when she starts off with all that Nazi/Hitler stuff. She got the response she deserved... mockery and derision.

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

I like your accent, big rugged individualist.
*bats eyelashes*

Yeah, most Jews might be offended when you call something Obama is doing "Nazi policy"..

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Pffttt... you're an amateur. Malkin will turn this aspect of the 'outrage' into at least two paragraphs.

Action Replay Nick: Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Pffttt... you're an amateur. Malkin will turn this aspect of the 'outrage' into at least two paragraphs.

This. You suck at poutrage, my friend. You either need practice, or to get laid. Here, *scribbles number on card*, call this number, tell them I sent you, and that it's an emergency.

sweetmelissa31: Yeah, most Jews might be offended when you call something Obama is doing "Nazi policy".

Or yell Heil Hitler!

/works in Vegas

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

For your profile picture, you should use this:

When did Barney Frank become a Senator?

/News to me.
//Probably news to Senators Kerry and Kennedy, too.

Neeek: When did Barney Frank become a Senator?

/News to me.
//Probably news to Senators Kerry and Kennedy, too.

shad up with the facts....Jack

Action Replay Nick: It's funny, because this is utterly ridiculous and Frank is entirely right to admonish this idiot. However, he is Barney Frank, so this will be conservative outrage number 1 first thing in the morning after Malkin or someone stays up all night twisting this into 2000 words so they can collect a paycheck this week.

yeah but you gotta give him this- every now and then he comes up with a great burn.

Can't wait for The Daily Show's take on this.

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

An uncomfortable question like how it is you came up with the torturously stupid conclusion that private corporations competing with government interests is inherently impossible?

I mean, you are the guy who said that, right?

Am I the first to note that Barney Frank is not a SENATOR?

Er, anyone? Buehler?

Barney Frank to woman comparing Obama's health care policy to Nazis: Arguing with you is like having an argument with my dining room table. I am not interested It's fabulous!

Because he's gay.

wejash: Am I the first to note that Barney Frank is not a SENATOR?

Er, anyone? Buehler?

No, you're not.

RTFT.

Search for Neeek

barney always makes me laugh

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

People evoking Nazi imagery are pathetic fools. He gave her more attention than she deserved.

...and insulted dining room tables.

Ahh one of the last of his kind. An elected official who doesn't mince words. At one time, a very common fixture.

I recently lost an argument with my dining room table, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Yeah. Because it is so much more appealing to be a corporate slut.

Shouldn't you be busy knob gobbling CEO's who've destroyed their firms?

Barney Frank has the best one-liners of anyone in Congress. Now if he could just start directing them at Pelosi and Reid, maybe something would get done.

I rarely agree with Barney Frank, except on social issues... but dammit, it is great to see a politician to call a moron a moron.

Most congressmen would respond with something like "while I respect that you have an opinion, blah blah blah", and Barney Frank would say something like "the only thing dumber than your idea is that you thought it was rational enough to speak".

Rubberband Girl: Okay, maybe not the most professional response he could've given, but sometimes you've gotta be frank with people just to get through to them.

I think we're about done with "professionalism". Winning pretty isn't really an option anymore, so I'll go ahead and win ugly now.

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Just so we're clear, this is the "uncomfortable question" that 'Senator' Frank "sidestepped":

They say we need to limit Medicare expenditures in order to do that, in order to reduce the deficit. That's the origin of this policy. This is the T-4 policy of the Hitler, of the Hitler policy of 1939, where he said certain lives are not worth living, certain people we should not spend the money to keep them alive. . . . Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy, as Obama has expressly supported this policy, why are you supporting it?

And, for some further info, here is just a little bit of information about Hitler's T-4 program:

Between December 1939 and August 1941, about 50,000 to 60,000 Germans-children and adults-were secretly killed by lethal injections or in gassing installations designed to look like shower stalls. It was a foretast of Auschwitz. The victims were taken from the medical institution and put to death.... (Never to Forget, New York:HarperCollins, 1976:131.) (source)

Now, can you please tell us how 'Senator' Frank should respond to a question that compares a (relatively modest, by world standards) health insurance reform plan to a Nazi plan that intentionally killed 50,000-60,000 people, and was (in part) an effort to test methods that would later be used to kill millions more? What sort of answer would not be "sidestepping" the question?

El_Perro: Now, can you please tell us how 'Senator' Frank should respond to a question that compares a (relatively modest, by world standards) health insurance reform plan to a Nazi plan that intentionally killed 50,000-60,000 people, and was (in part) an effort to test methods that would later be used to kill millions more? What sort of answer would not be "sidestepping" the question?

WhyteRaven74: Ahh one of the last of his kind. An elected official who doesn't mince words. At one time, a very common fixture.

This is why I love Barney Frank. I don't always agree with him, but dammit he will say whatever the fark is on his mind and to hell with the consequences.

El_Perro:

Excuse me. I just threw up a little.

I think from now on, instead of all the extra words, I'm just going to go with:

Shut up, Capitalist1, you cock.

Philbb: I recently lost an argument with my dining room table, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies

A kick from the table's legs?

Frankiesuicide: Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Conservative fear-mongering =/= uncomfortable question.

I'd argue with you, but it'd be like arguing with an ottoman. I have no interest.

Wow, that purple dinosaur isn't as nice as he's made out to be.

abb3w: Philbb: I recently lost an argument with my dining room table, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies

A kick from the table's legs?

To be specific, my position was that; tripping over my sister's dog and falling to the floor in my own dining room was sufficiently humiliating. However, the dining room table's position was that; it was not humiliating enough and that I should bash my shoulder on the edge of the table during the fall in order to be properly humiliated. I conceded the point to the dining room table.

Then again, in four or five months, when the argument comes up about whether or not the table serves a greater function as a piece of dining room furniture or as a few hours of heat in the fireplace, we'll reevaluate who is the more persuasive.

"I never asked you to trust the government. The government is not your mother or father, or your doctor...No one should ever trust the government, people should use their rights as citizens."

Sounds like one of our own, beloved, Fark Independents.

farkin' A, I just watched the clip. That was just full of awesome.

HAHA!! Frank is awesome! Echoing what I read on another website, I guess it takes a queen to have the balls to stand up to these ridiculous people. It's nice that he pointed out that she has the right to say these things, so no one can attack him for suppressing her speech. However, he was also able to point out that she is as dumb as a box of rocks and crazy to boot.

propasaurus: Action Replay Nick: It's funny, because this is utterly ridiculous and Frank is entirely right to admonish this idiot. However, he is Barney Frank, so this will be conservative outrage number 1 first thing in the morning after Malkin or someone stays up all night twisting this into 2000 words so they can collect a paycheck this week.

I anticipate some razor sharp gay and fat jokes.



People really care about whether he's gay, and whether barnes and noble is open on new years, apparently.

Good for Rep. Frank. Comparing the health care plan (well, plans, anyway, given that there still seem to be multiple non-identical bills running around) to National Socialism is just a wee bit out there.

I like the way Capitalist1: whines about Frank sidestepping an "uncomfortable question" then he proceeds to ignore all uncomfortable questions he gets asked.

I couldn't care less that he's gay.

We need more politicians of this calibur on both sides.

/call a moron a moron
//call bullshiat what it is.
///you GO girl!

I like that guy. I wish he was on the other side. No, no not that other side. The right other side.
Wait that did not sound good.

Go Barney! It's about time someone called these people on their epic-level idiocy.

This deserved a Hero tag.

There is going to be epic poutrage in the morning over this one.

And, yes, her comment was patently asinine. It really did merit that sort of response.

Okay, Barney Frank has just earned a $50 donation from me.

// Thank you for calling a moron out on their continual diarrhea of insane bullcrap.

log_jammin: I like the way Capitalist1: whines about Frank sidestepping an "uncomfortable question" then he proceeds to ignore all uncomfortable questions he gets asked.

To be fair, the question was uncomfortable, but only because it made that lady sound insane.

Conversing w/ crazy people is very uncomfortable. I ride the city bus, so I know these things.

I am far from a fan of Barney frank, I think the guy has done some really distasteful stuff much like the rest of Congress, but that was a great response. I hope it becomes the next Fark and internet meme. It's like the new "weakest link" line you can use to shut people down.

Also, how hilarious is that that not only does Barney Frank talk like Elmer Fudd, he looks like Elmer Fudd as well.

TheGhostofFarkPast: I think the guy has done some really distasteful stuff

Like what? Ass-to-mouth?

brainiac-dumdum: Conversing w/ crazy people is very uncomfortable. I ride the city bus, so I know these things.

yet you manage to withstand the fark.

Rubberband Girl: you've gotta be frank with people

NTTAWWT

Bek: [dining room table/argument is invalid pic]

Nice.

Thank you Barney Frank. I don't believe Congresspeople and Senators of either party should be venturing away from discussing with the loud, idiotic folk, but directly noting the level of insanity which promotes such fantastically repugnant notions and the lack of ability to discourse with such folk. How would we be able to differ those staged townhall meetings from those with representatives genuinely interested in hearing an unfiltered question from their constituency when in the audience are folk shouting meaningless phrases, phantom provisions, and simple stupidity?

I don't know of really any person siding with the protesters who has a cognizant opposition to health care reforms, but such oppositions do exist and should be heard.

Oh man. I love Jews.

Oh yeah - and more to the point - between Mr. Frank and Mr. Wiener it looks like the Democrats are starting to finally dust off their spines. They're uh, getting all stiff now.

We just might get that public option after all. WHEEE.

/what?
//it's a gay dude and a guy named wiener. I'm OBLIGATED to make a penis joke.

Darn, I submitted this with a link direct to YouTube..

A great moment, though.

/where's my OH SNAP pic.. can't guess the exact filename from work..

Those who are against health care should simply eschew it, thus solving all their problems.

OH - I get it now. They're only against health care for OTHER people. I see. Nothing new here; just Republicans continuing to think they can boss everyone else around.

Here is the entire clip
(new window)
/or at least the longest one my lazy ass found

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Oh yeah - and more to the point - between Mr. Frank and Mr. Wiener it looks like the Democrats are starting to finally dust off their spines. They're uh, getting all stiff now.

We just might get that public option after all. WHEEE.

/what?
//it's a gay dude and a guy named wiener. I'm OBLIGATED to make a penis joke.

we can only hope this is the start. attention all other democrats, start treating the loons as they deserve to be treated.

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Oh yeah - and more to the point - between Mr. Frank and Mr. Wiener it looks like the Democrats are starting to finally dust off their spines. They're uh, getting all stiff now.

We just might get that public option after all. WHEEE.

/what?
//it's a gay dude and a guy named wiener. I'm OBLIGATED to make a penis joke.


Congressman Eric Penis has been a major factor in promoting single-payer healthcare, but he hasn't gotten nearly the attention Wiener or Wiener-lover has gotten.

Hilikus9191: Here is the entire clip
(new window)
/or at least the longest one my lazy ass found

Thanks. I have wondered why the congresspeople treat these people so deferentially. Call them out. Own the damn room.

Barney Frank's outreach program.

There's a certain deliciousness in the fact that the main complainer in the video is a LaRoucher. Note that she asserts the policy in question 'is already on the way out, defeated by LaRouche'. Then why bring it up, crazy lady? She feels the need to promote the values of her organization: good old Lyndy's no longer a person, he's been institutionalized, and his organization has assumed a life of it's own and she feels the need to propagate its message in whatever forum she has access to.

They are a very typical cult of personality, the LaRouchers, and it's awfully ironic they are invoking other cults of personality, specifically Hitler and the Nazis (and yah, certain populist aspects of Obama), in what they oppose. I'd draw some broad brush strokes here between this crazy lady and recent neocon tactics, but I wouldn't get very far since every reasonable conservative has disowned you-know-who and I'd just be back-baiting the underbridge dwellers.

Bawnee is dum.

Oh yeah, Barney Frank? Well living with you is like living in a living nightmare!

A complete dickfaced douchnozzle claimed: Barney Frank's outreach program.

Oh you poor pathetic piece of shiat. He has been openly gay since when. Unlike all your GOP hero's who get kicked out of their closet on a regular basis.

Please do the gene pool a favor and DIAF before you manage to reproduce.

Barney "I Can't Tell The Truth" Frank (new window)

Speaking truth to stupid. If only our other democrats would start doing the same.

I was in downtown New Bedford yesterday afternoon and there were a few Lyndon LaRoush (or however you spell that idiot's name) supporters handing out these images of Obama with a Hitler stash... ridiculous. Not a single brain cell among the lot of them.

You go, Barney... I'm not always in agreement with you, but this type of crap is bullshiat and no one should have to listen to it. These people are morons, and they're obviously not interested in an sort of debate on the issue at hand.

With that little smack down and your continued support of Fall River's fight against Hess/Weaver's Cove Energy, you've secured my vote again.

He should has said, "Arguing with you is like dealing with a vagina," and then say something about HMO's.

Bucky Katt: Wow, that purple dinosaur isn't as nice as he's made out to be.

That's what Barney Frank's boyfriend said on their first date.

/rimshot

Markoff_Cheney: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Oh yeah - and more to the point - between Mr. Frank and Mr. Wiener it looks like the Democrats are starting to finally dust off their spines. They're uh, getting all stiff now.

We just might get that public option after all. WHEEE.

/what?
//it's a gay dude and a guy named wiener. I'm OBLIGATED to make a penis joke.

we can only hope this is the start. attention all other democrats, start treating the loons as they deserve to be treated.

I've been doing it for MONTHS, trolls and nuts deserve derision, scorn and mockery, NOT equal time.

/And it SHOULD be bipartisan

It's not the curb stomp that these morons deserve, but I'll take it.

Philbb: abb3w: Philbb: I recently lost an argument with my dining room table, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies

A kick from the table's legs?

To be specific, my position was that; tripping over my sister's dog and falling to the floor in my own dining room was sufficiently humiliating. However, the dining room table's position was that; it was not humiliating enough and that I should bash my shoulder on the edge of the table during the fall in order to be properly humiliated. I conceded the point to the dining room table.

Then again, in four or five months, when the argument comes up about whether or not the table serves a greater function as a piece of dining room furniture or as a few hours of heat in the fireplace, we'll reevaluate who is the more persuasive.

New keyboard please. Somehow, whilst reading your post, mine got covered in soda.

ghare: Markoff_Cheney: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Oh yeah - and more to the point - between Mr. Frank and Mr. Wiener it looks like the Democrats are starting to finally dust off their spines. They're uh, getting all stiff now.

We just might get that public option after all. WHEEE.

/what?
//it's a gay dude and a guy named wiener. I'm OBLIGATED to make a penis joke.

we can only hope this is the start. attention all other democrats, start treating the loons as they deserve to be treated.

I've been doing it for MONTHS, trolls and nuts deserve derision, scorn and mockery, NOT equal time.

/And it SHOULD be bipartisan

The only access I have to them is mainly on this forum, and i kinda just ignore them. i don't put them on ignore, because they say some of the most rediculously hilarious things, but i try not to reply unless I feel like translating their posts to japanese and back a few times on babblefish.
The irl trolls showing up all over these meetings need to be told they are crazy and need to STFU.

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Which question was that?

"Are you secretly in legaue with the forces of evil to force single -payer healthcare on America?"

A: No

"Is Obama a Nazi?"

A: Are you an idiot whose never opened a textbook, or just someone who lacks all sense of historical perspective and is unable to see political issues as something upon which reasonable people can diagree?"

Action Replay Nick: Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Pffttt... you're an amateur. Malkin will turn this aspect of the 'outrage' into at least two paragraphs.

I bet one of them will be devoted entirely to how this proves that barney frank and "the Liberals" have no respect for the First Amendment and how conservatives never tried to supress protestors when Bush was in office (with a long annecdotal whiny aside about some mean names some protestor somewhere called GWB)

And how she, personally, never published the home phone numbers of Student organizers of an anti-war protest and encouraged her reader to send them hate calls

You know who else liked to Fark with homosexuals?

This just in: woman humiliated by B. Frank on national TV to sue.

ragekage: Action Replay Nick: Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Pffttt... you're an amateur. Malkin will turn this aspect of the 'outrage' into at least two paragraphs.

This. You suck at poutrage, my friend. You either need practice, or to get laid. Here, *scribbles number on card*, call this number, tell them I sent you, and that it's an emergency.


+1 for the addition of Red Dwarf. Well played sir.

LaRouchers? Jesus Christ.. they're still around?

How do people continue to take that crap seriously?

soy_bomb: Barney Frank's outreach program.

Why is Barney Frank's hand on...that...man's...ass...?

Oh my God.

soy_bomb just outed Barney Frank.

I'm stunned.

Two years ago:

Today, President Bush rode his lawn-mower out to the edge of his property and told Cindy Sheehan "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a horrible man who is too stupid to debate what is an obviously illegal war (despite the fact that it was legally voted for)

Modern Day:

Today, Rep Barney Frank told a constituent asking a health care question; "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a smart man, that was an obviously stupid question.


Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

Capitalist1: Way to , there, Bahneh.

What value proposition does the Insurance industry bring to health care?

Please take your time, think this question through and then sidestep that uncomfortable question.

Certainly, as a fellow capitalist, we want the best value for our money. So, I'm sure you will provide an analysis of what value proposition the Insurance industry brings to health care. Because, otherwise - you'd look just like the woman in the Barney video.

Classic.

This woman got totally pwned. When he starts ripping her, the camera goes to her and she is like, "Oh man, what did I get myself into? Freedom works told me they were going to fold like a house of cards."

Democrats need to grow a pair or they will do what they always do, fold when it gets to tough.

the_ut_tick: Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

It's called marginalization - and it was hard earned by those who enjoy it now.

shivashakti: LaRouchers? Jesus Christ.. they're still around?

How do people continue to take that crap seriously?

Oh yeah, still around... the one's I saw in New Bedford yesterday were college age kids, too... So the Cult of LaRouch is still recruiting on campuses, I guess. It's like the Hari Krishnas with less brain cells.

But, yeah, how anyone takes them seriously is beyond me.

That was an awesome video to watch.
Also, this was stated earlier, and I most certainly thing it's worth repeating:

For all you who are upset with Frank not answering her "question":

El_Perro: Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Just so we're clear, this is the "uncomfortable question" that 'Senator' Frank "sidestepped":

They say we need to limit Medicare expenditures in order to do that, in order to reduce the deficit. That's the origin of this policy. This is the T-4 policy of the Hitler, of the Hitler policy of 1939, where he said certain lives are not worth living, certain people we should not spend the money to keep them alive. . . . Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy, as Obama has expressly supported this policy, why are you supporting it?


And, for some further info, here is just a little bit of information about Hitler's T-4 program:

Between December 1939 and August 1941, about 50,000 to 60,000 Germans-children and adults-were secretly killed by lethal injections or in gassing installations designed to look like shower stalls. It was a foretast of Auschwitz. The victims were taken from the medical institution and put to death.... (Never to Forget, New York:HarperCollins, 1976:131.) (source)


Now, can you please tell us how 'Senator' Frank should respond to a question that compares a (relatively modest, by world standards) health insurance reform plan to a Nazi plan that intentionally killed 50,000-60,000 people, and was (in part) an effort to test methods that would later be used to kill millions more? What sort of answer would not be "sidestepping" the question?

the_ut_tick: Two years ago:

Today, President Bush rode his lawn-mower out to the edge of his property and told Cindy Sheehan "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a horrible man who is too stupid to debate what is an obviously illegal war (despite the fact that it was legally voted for)

Modern Day:

Today, Rep Barney Frank told a constituent asking a health care question; "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a smart man, that was an obviously stupid question.


Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

Secret prisons, torture and endless war sounds a lot more like the Nazi's than offering people access to healthcare.

the_ut_tick: Today, Rep Barney Frank told a constituent asking a health care question

How is comparing Health Care Reform to the extermination camps of the Nazi regime "asking a question"?

On a funny side note, at least for Canadian Farkers, the Canadian father our nationalized healthcare (and Kiefer Sutherlands grandfather), Tommy Douglas, did his Master's thesis on eugenics and forced sterilization of mentally/physically disabled Canadians.

/changed his mind after a visit to Nazi Germany in 1938.

Barney Frank is generally awesome on everything but the economy. And his role in that is vastly overrated.

log_jammin: I like the way Capitalist1: whines about Frank sidestepping an "uncomfortable question" then he proceeds to ignore all uncomfortable questions he gets asked.

He he he

keylock71: With that little smack down and your continued support of Fall River's fight against Hess/Weaver's Cove Energy, you've secured my vote again.

Yes it sure is wonderful that we get to gaze upon the wreckage of the old Brightman Street Bridge for the rest of our lives, isn't it? =p

Well, the Nazis did have a great health care package.

Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the man who single handedly destroyed the housing markets all by himself.

Nice try Mr. Frank.

Frank was too good to her.

The only thing he should have said to that crazy biatch is "next".

Barney Frank is a Dictaker.

I Said: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the man who single handedly destroyed the housing markets all by himself.

Nice try Mr. Frank.

citation ?

the_ut_tick: Two years ago:

Today, President Bush rode his lawn-mower out to the edge of his property and told Cindy Sheehan "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a horrible man who is too stupid to debate what is an obviously illegal war (despite the fact that it was legally voted for)

Modern Day:

Today, Rep Barney Frank told a constituent asking a health care question calling the President a Nazi and insisting that facts about which he is open(his stance on single payer, not penis) are secrets; "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a smart man, that was an obviously stupid question.

FTFY


Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

You're not saying it wasn't stupid because it was, and if you think these are the kind of people who need "proof" to play the victim card I got news for you.

the_ut_tick: Two years ago:

Today, President Bush rode his lawn-mower out to the edge of his property and told Cindy Sheehan "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a horrible man who is too stupid to debate what is an obviously illegal war (despite the fact that it was legally voted for)

Modern Day:

Today, Rep Barney Frank told a constituent asking a health care question; "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a smart man, that was an obviously stupid question.


Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

Of course the Big Difference is that Cindy Sheehan was asking a legitimate question We all wanted (and never got) an answer to :

What was the point of the Iraq war, for what cause did her son die?

If it was about WMDs then why wasn't it over the minute his own handpicked commission concluded that none existed?

If it was about deposing Saddam, then we should have started shipping the troops home after uday and Qusay were in bodybags and Saddam was caught in his spider hole?

If it was about bringing democracy to Iraq and poltically transforming the Middle East then why weren't we told that ahead of time when we could have had a geniunine national debate about whether it was approopriate to spend blood and treasure on that dubiously achievable objective?

Bob16: Frank was too good to her.

The only thing he should have said to that crazy biatch is "next".

He should have given the speech from the end of Happy Gilmore:
"We are all stupider for having heard that"

Bob16: I Said: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the man who single handedly destroyed the housing markets all by himself.

Nice try Mr. Frank.

citation ?

It's from the book of "Retarded GOP Talking Points"

Chapter 72, paragraph 149

keylock71: shivashakti: LaRouchers? Jesus Christ.. they're still around?

How do people continue to take that crap seriously?

Oh yeah, still around... the one's I saw in New Bedford yesterday were college age kids, too... So the Cult of LaRouch is still recruiting on campuses, I guess. It's like the Hari Krishnas with less brain cells.

But, yeah, how anyone takes them seriously is beyond me.

Ahh, college students and homeless people, the backbone of LaRouche's winning national strategy.

I Said: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the man who single handedly destroyed the housing markets all by himself.

Nice try Mr. Frank.

Single handedly? Florida, California and Arizona would like to talk to you about house flippers and bad banks.

kuhns_m: Classic.

This woman got totally pwned. When he starts ripping her, the camera goes to her and she is like, "Oh man, what did I get myself into? Freedom works told me they were going to fold like a house of cards."

Democrats need to grow a pair or they will do what they always do, fold when it gets to tough.

What's funny is that now a gay man is more macho than the rest of the Democratic Congress.

These people are completely out of it. How do you think BARNEY FRANK would be a good target of those tactics? The only way someone would think "I can get one over on Rep. Frank" is if that person knows absolutely nothing about him.

I Said: It's from the book of "Retarded GOP Talking Points"

Chapter 72, paragraph 149

Well you see the reason i didn't pick up on your sarcasm is we have cons here that are so nuts they actually say things like you said but they are serious about it.

Bob16: Well you see the reason i didn't pick up on your sarcasm is we have cons here that are so nuts they actually say things like you said but they are serious about it.

I know. I need to be more obvious about it.

stuhayes2010: Single handedly? Florida, California and Arizona would like to talk to you about house flippers and bad banks.

Like I said, I need to be more clear about my sarcasm. As someone who worked in mortgages and spent every business tab thread during the downfall arguing against retarded GOP talking points, I agree.

I Said: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the man who single handedly destroyed the housing markets all by himself.

Nice try Mr. Frank.


Hold PHIL GRAMM's feet to that fire if you want any satisfaction.
And Phil Gramm was also behind the BCCI cocaine-money-laundering, the Savings & Loan Crisis, the energy deregulation schemes which allowed ENRON to hold America hostage for over a year, and so on... pretty much every major financial or deregulation scandal has had Phil Gramm's bloated smelly thumb deep at the core of it all from germination to full blossom horrorshow.

McCain guru linked to subprime crisis
By LISA LERER | 3/28/08 2:06 PM EDT
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9246.html (pops)

The general co-chairman of John McCain's presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today's economic turmoil.

"A regulatory structure set up for banks in the 1930s needed to change because the nature of business had changed," the Illinois senator running for president said in a New York economic speech. "But by the time [it] was repealed in 1999, the $300 million lobbying effort that drove deregulation was more about facilitating mergers than creating an efficient regulatory framework."

Gramm's role in the swift and dramatic recent restructuring of the nation's investment houses and practices didn't stop there.

A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations, Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS's new investment banking arm.

Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.

During those years, the mortgage industry pressed Congress to roll back strong state rules that sought to stem the rise of predatory tactics used by lenders and brokers to place homeowners in high-cost mortgages.

For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS's American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more than $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs.

I Said: Bob16: Well you see the reason i didn't pick up on your sarcasm is we have cons here that are so nuts they actually say things like you said but they are serious about it.

I know. I need to be more obvious about it.

stuhayes2010: Single handedly? Florida, California and Arizona would like to talk to you about house flippers and bad banks.

Like I said, I need to be more clear about my sarcasm. As someone who worked in mortgages and spent every business tab thread during the downfall arguing against retarded GOP talking points, I agree.

Yeah. Fark could use a sarcasm icon or special font to indicate sarcasm.

Gridlock: For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS's American subsidiary.

But it was only a "mental" $750,000.

If anyone is unable to watch the video, here is a transcript of the part referenced in the headline:

Q: Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy as Obama has expressly supported this policy; why are you supporting it?

Frank: When you ask me that question I'm going to revert to my ethnic heritage and answer your question with a question. On what planet do you spend most of your time?

You want me to answer the question? Yes. As you stand there with a picture of the President defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis, my answer to you is as I said before, it is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated. Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it.

rufus-t-firefly: Oh my God.
soy_bomb just outed Barney Frank.
I'm stunned.

He is? Looked like he had a narrow stance there.

thumpnugget: They are a very typical cult of personality, the LaRouchers, and it's awfully ironic they are invoking other cults of personality, specifically Hitler and the Nazis (and yah, certain populist aspects of Obama), in what they oppose. I'd draw some broad brush strokes here between this crazy lady and recent neocon tactics, but I wouldn't get very far since every reasonable conservative has disowned you-know-who and I'd just be back-baiting the underbridge dwellers.

The LaRouchers were out in force yesterday, canvassing on the streetcorners in a square near my house. Their signs said, "Give President Obama a Straitjacket". One fresh-faced young man with a good amount of hipster stubble asked me if I wanted to sign up. I said, "Haha, don't think so." Then I saw the name LaRouche on the signs, and immediately erupted in peals of derisive laughter.

I mean, WTF? Lyndon LaRouche was a joke back in 1986? What are they doing back?

theorellior: thumpnugget: They are a very typical cult of personality, the LaRouchers, and it's awfully ironic they are invoking other cults of personality, specifically Hitler and the Nazis (and yah, certain populist aspects of Obama), in what they oppose. I'd draw some broad brush strokes here between this crazy lady and recent neocon tactics, but I wouldn't get very far since every reasonable conservative has disowned you-know-who and I'd just be back-baiting the underbridge dwellers.

The LaRouchers were out in force yesterday, canvassing on the streetcorners in a square near my house. Their signs said, "Give President Obama a Straitjacket". One fresh-faced young man with a good amount of hipster stubble asked me if I wanted to sign up. I said, "Haha, don't think so." Then I saw the name LaRouche on the signs, and immediately erupted in peals of derisive laughter.

I mean, WTF? Lyndon LaRouche was a joke back in 1986? What are they doing back?


Yeah,, those guys are nuts. Don't they believe the royal family of great britain are terrorists and drug dealers or some such nonsense?

propasaurus: I anticipate some razor sharp gay and fat jokes.

I bet he uses a sharp razor to shave his balls, because his boyfriend likes that!

Also he uses a mirror to see what he's doing, because he's so fat.

Gay fat.

rastjr
Yeah,, those guys are nuts. Don't they believe the royal family of great britain are terrorists and drug dealers or some such nonsense?

I remember LaRouchies leaving literature in the lobbies of college buildings way back when I was college, and that was practically the stone age. Well, the early 90's. I would've thought they'd all be dead or in nursing homes by now, are they somehow getting new recruits?

He went too easy on her, but I like his sass.

the_ut_tick: Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

Hey, the_ut_tick, do you feel your insurance should cover the costs of your snorting meth off the asses of Thai ladymen while wearing surgical scrubs?

It's a healthcare question, I expect an honest answer.

theorellior: I mean, WTF? Lyndon LaRouche was a joke back in 1986? What are they doing back?

Haven't you heard? Batshiat insane is back in style like it's never been before!

Why, this afternoon I'm having my eyelids pierced and a hubcap bolted to my forehead, and then I'm going to shiat on random passersby from the trees!

I guess it's time to add Barney Frank to my personal heroes list. I think this is now what it has to come down to. You can't or won't discuss healthcare in a reasonable, mature and factual manner... fark you then, there are adult problems that need adult solutions.

Crabs_Can_Polevault: Haven't you heard? Batshiat insane is back in style like it's never been before!

Seriously, you elect a black guy president, and white people everywhere go apeshiat.

Why, this afternoon I'm having my eyelids pierced and a hubcap bolted to my forehead, and then I'm going to shiat on random passersby from the trees!

Which Town Hall will this be at? Be sure to wear a tricorn hat, too.

theorellior: Seriously, you elect a black guy president, and white people everywhere go apeshiat.

Imagine what would have happened if the president was completely black...

Egalitarian: rastjr
Yeah,, those guys are nuts. Don't they believe the royal family of great britain are terrorists and drug dealers or some such nonsense?

I remember LaRouchies leaving literature in the lobbies of college buildings way back when I was college, and that was practically the stone age. Well, the early 90's. I would've thought they'd all be dead or in nursing homes by now, are they somehow getting new recruits?

I think he was in jail for tax evasion. Is the still alive?

Kudos to him for calling it what it is....

The rhetoric of these people is beyond the pale, and they just don't get it. Her question leaned towards conspiracy crazy, but for the most part many (not everyone) on the right has fallen into the same trap.

This trap for the right is believing in the free market as an end unto itself. The theory of the free market (if I read my Adam Smith correctly) was centered on said free market as a means that would lead to an improved society as an end through competition. They seem to skip this and accept profligate corporate entities in the name of the free market with no concern for ethical obligations of stewardship, or social welfare (until it effects their own life).

/I see the LaRouche people up in Harvard Square from time to time... good for a kick
/If anyone has a better distilled view of laissez-faire market politic feel free to correct me

theorellior: the_ut_tick: Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

Hey, the_ut_tick, do you feel your insurance should cover the costs of your snorting meth off the asses of Thai ladymen while wearing surgical scrubs?

It's a healthcare question, I expect an honest answer.

I don't think we should fully cover illegal drug related illness.

Treat them, them bill them as a cash account later.

I Said: Chapter 72, paragraph 149

whatever, you think the book is that big? I would guess it's 30 pages max, with illustrations on each page.

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Are you denying you had sex with that dead goat on the alien spacecraft while Jim Morrison watched, masturbating? WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION PUT TO YOU?

I love this man. If only more politicians had the balls to call out bullshiat with such panache.

Not An Alt: I Said: Chapter 72, paragraph 149

whatever, you think the book is that big? I would guess it's 30 pages max, with illustrations on each page.

i would have thought it was a flash card with two bullets:

• tax cuts!
• deregulation!

Rubberband Girl:
Okay, maybe not the most professional response he could've given, but sometimes you've gotta be frank with people just to get through to them.


Barney is always Frank with people.

I realize that it's August, and most Americans aren't paying that close attention to this debate, etc. But there has to be a tipping point where the non-retarded segment of the general public suddenly realizes that this is too important to let vile, ignorant, batsh*t crazy people totally shape this debate. Right?

We have a pretty crazy paranoid guy coming into work right now, who's also a jerk. I wish I could tell him talking to him is like trying to argue with a piece of furniture so GTFO! but that wouldn't be very nice.

We'll have to wait until he freaks out and causes a scene before he gets the perma-ban.

Action Replay Nick: Malkin will turn this aspect of the 'outrage' into at least two paragraphs.

By the way, the Freepers are not amused.

Another awesome clip from the same meeting, and the one the Freepers are talking about.

Frank is my hero on that one. the Truth is often the most painful, funny, thing of all.


Republican Furniture: get yours today! cheap!

FlashHarry: i would have thought it was a flash card with two bullets:

• tax cuts!
• deregulation!

That was the flash card from 1975-1999, the updated ones are as follows:

• MUSLIN!
• LIBS!
• ACORN!
• SOCIALIST!
• HITLER!
• TAKE YER GUNS!

\I Said: Bob16: Frank was too good to her.

The only thing he should have said to that crazy biatch is "next".

He should have given the speech from the end of Happy Gilmore:
"We are all stupider for having heard that"

I couldn't let this stand. It's from Billy Madison. Carry on.

someonelse: I realize that it's August, and most Americans aren't paying that close attention to this debate, etc. But there has to be a tipping point where the non-retarded segment of the general public suddenly realizes that this is too important to let vile, ignorant, batsh*t crazy people totally shape this debate. Right?

I seriously doubt it.

How many people actually think the Birfers are right? Far too many.

Jackson Herring: keylock71: With that little smack down and your continued support of Fall River's fight against Hess/Weaver's Cove Energy, you've secured my vote again.

Yes it sure is wonderful that we get to gaze upon the wreckage of the old Brightman Street Bridge for the rest of our lives, isn't it? =p

You know, I have a special place in my heart for that old piece of crap bridge... I grew up in that neighborhood, even jumped off that bridge a couple of times when I was much younger.

I hear they're going to make it a pedestrian bridge, but who knows what'll really happen? The new Brightman St Bridge is looking good though, and I won't miss waiting every time some jackass decides to bring their sailboat up the river.

I still think it was a nice little "fark you" to Hess/Weaver's Cove when they got that language about the Brightman St Bridge included in that bill.

I finally watched the clip, and in the spirit of Fark, I'd like to say, despite her batshiat politics, I'd hit it. In a hotel room. In another city. Under an assumed name.

theorellior: Crabs_Can_Polevault: Haven't you heard? Batshiat insane is back in style like it's never been before!

Why, this afternoon I'm having my eyelids pierced and a hubcap bolted to my forehead, and then I'm going to shiat on random passersby from the trees!

Which Town Hall will this be at? Be sure to wear a tricorn hat, too.

Naw, I'm good. I'll just bend up three sides of the hubcap.

theorellior: I finally watched the clip, and in the spirit of Fark, I'd like to say, despite her batshiat politics, I'd hit it. In a hotel room. In another city. Under an assumed name.

...and you have to insist she wears the ball gag.

About farking time somebody stopped dignifying these morons.

I actually have some respect for this man. For what was shown, he kept his cool and told it like it was.

And screw the dining room table, it can or will be replaced by another hard wood.

No Hero Tag?

Frankiesuicide 2009-08-18 10:03:13 PM Ah Mr. Frank I knew there was a reason I liked you.
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I don't like Barney Frank and never have, but this was pretty damn funny. I would've done the same thing.

I like how he says that illegals won't be covered by the bill, they are specifically excluded, only to be met by people chanting read the bill. So he does. He reads them the section excluding illegals. Classy.

Action Replay Nick 2009-08-18 10:01:09 PM It's funny, because this is utterly ridiculous and Frank is entirely right to admonish this idiot. However, he is Barney Frank, so this will be conservative outrage number 1 first thing in the morning after Malkin or someone stays up all night twisting this into 2000 words so they can collect a paycheck this week.
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Last night on Faux News (sadly my dad watches it, so I overhear it) they were trying their best to twist this into Barney Frank is an uncaring liberal and that she was just a normal woman trying to ask a question.

I really wanted to throw something at the tv.

jake3988: Frankiesuicide 2009-08-18 10:03:13 PM Ah Mr. Frank I knew there was a reason I liked you.
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I don't like Barney Frank and never have, but this was pretty damn funny. I would've done the same thing.

During the bailout debates, a few R's made comment about how they did not vote for the bill because they felt Speaker Pelosi gave an excessively partisan speech, to which Rep Frank replied: "Give me those twelve people's names, and I will go talk uncharacteristically nicely to them, and tell them what wonderful people they are, and maybe they'll think about the country."

If you are going to go and heckle Rep. Frank, you had better bring your A-Game; he'll have his with him.

the_ut_tick: Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

Thanks. Your concern is noted

Stephanie Miller just reported on it and played "Let's Hear It For The Boy" to accompany the report.

I couldn't agree more!

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Thanks. Your concern is noted

Nice.

Would've placed the HERO tag next to this one myself subby.

Lumi: Action Replay Nick: Malkin will turn this aspect of the 'outrage' into at least two paragraphs.

By the way, the Freepers are not amused.


Wow, right out of the gate they're calling for someone to assassinate him:

"I was absolutely shocked by the treatment received by one female asking a question. The fat arrogant fag had the nerve to ask her what planet she lived on. Had I been at that meeting, I would have been arrested. This jerk better be retired by the next election. He is on the list, right below, NFP, CFD.

I am not permitted to decipher the initials."

I'm not sure if the poster is mad at him for being fat, gay, or not-nice-to-a-lunatic.

The version playing on CNN right now is more interesting, because it shows her reaction. The batshiate-crazy shows all over her face.

You only see the weird combination of a shocked/outraged/helpless facial expression coupled with completely blank, dead, wall-eyes on someone who's truly not all there.

Can I vote for this guy despite being a resident of NY?

FTFVideo

"There not gonna pull the plug on me, cause I fight to the death!"

Don't worry Grandma, we've already got it planned out for you feisty fighters. Now take your medicine and we'll take in the morning.

Isn't fighting someone to keep them from pulling the plug fighting to the death by default?

She sounds fat.

soy_bomb: rufus-t-firefly: Oh my God.
soy_bomb just outed Barney Frank.
I'm stunned.

He is? Looked like he had a narrow stance there.

The difference between him and gay Republicans is that he is honest about it. He came out before it was cool.

log_jammin: I like the way Capitalist1: whines about Frank sidestepping an "uncomfortable question" then he proceeds to ignore all uncomfortable questions he gets asked.

I think that's what they call "hypocrisy" in these parts. :)

As much as I cannot stand Barney Frank, I have to applaud him for what he did. These people, like that lady, need to be put in their place and publicly ridiculed. It is the only way to stop them from propagating hatred and lies.

rufus-t-firefly: kuhns_m: Classic.

This woman got totally pwned. When he starts ripping her, the camera goes to her and she is like, "Oh man, what did I get myself into? Freedom works told me they were going to fold like a house of cards."

Democrats need to grow a pair or they will do what they always do, fold when it gets to tough.

What's funny is that now a gay man is more macho than the rest of the Democratic Congress.

These people are completely out of it. How do you think BARNEY FRANK would be a good target of those tactics? The only way someone would think "I can get one over on Rep. Frank" is if that person knows absolutely nothing about him.

The village people were "Macho Men."

fracto73: I like how he says that illegals won't be covered by the bill, they are specifically excluded, only to be met by people chanting read the bill. So he does. He reads them the section excluding illegals. Classy.

What I like is the same people who were yelling "read the bill" started booing and heckling him for reading the bill; so he shot back how rediculous it was that the same people who screamed at him to read the bill gets pissed when he does.

That just shows they don't want debate or compromise, their only goal is to obstruct any reform no matter what the merit.

This is why I support "reconciliation" now. It is obvious the opposition's only alternative idea is to do nothing.

I am a republican and I cannot even stand these right wing nutjobs. They really are farking this whole entire conversation/debate up.

I want a discussion/debate about whether or not this is RIGHT for the country. Not fear mongering psychobabble!

the_ut_tick: Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

dude she is carrying a picture of a nazi obama, who is going to take the twat or her ilk serious?

Dfresh429: I am a republican and I cannot even stand these right wing nutjobs. They really are farking this whole entire conversation/debate up.

I want a discussion/debate about whether or not this is RIGHT for the country. Not fear mongering psychobabble!

So, do you get a special t-shirt to wear when they excommunicate you, or just your picture posted by the door of the secret Republican meetings?

She's a hot little psycho.

SeismicJizzer: the_ut_tick: Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

dude she is carrying a picture of a nazi obama, who is going to take the twat or her ilk serious?

It is her own fault, she Godwinned herself.

Dfresh429: I am a republican and I cannot even stand these right wing nutjobs. They really are farking this whole entire conversation/debate up.

I want a discussion/debate about whether or not this is RIGHT for the country. Not fear mongering psychobabble!

Here's the thing, though: Reps are quickly learning that, when presented with anyone whose tone of voice ascends one octave while asking a question, they're better off rhetorically striking first. Yes, interesting and engaging debate is getting lost. Yes, I'd prefer a more rational, to say nothing of polite, form of communication. However, when someone starts throwing bricks... what are you gonna do? The second one of these nutters began their wind-up, I'd preempt them by saying something along the lines of "Oh, look how nice! The 'birthers' are here!".

Rakkim Epps: Dfresh429: I am a republican and I cannot even stand these right wing nutjobs. They really are farking this whole entire conversation/debate up.

I want a discussion/debate about whether or not this is RIGHT for the country. Not fear mongering psychobabble!

Here's the thing, though: Reps are quickly learning that, when presented with anyone whose tone of voice ascends one octave while asking a question, they're better off rhetorically striking first. Yes, interesting and engaging debate is getting lost. Yes, I'd prefer a more rational, to say nothing of polite, form of communication. However, when someone starts throwing bricks... what are you gonna do? The second one of these nutters began their wind-up, I'd preempt them by saying something along the lines of "Oh, look how nice! The 'birthers' are here!".

I totally agree. I see no fault in what Frank did. When people start spouting insanity they need to be shouted down and put in their place.

And, I am not looking for a polite, gentlemanly discussion. I just wanna know what this thing is all about. What it means to ME and how it will effect my life. But unfortunately, the people in the know are distracted by having to deal with this bullcrap. Thats all.

In fact, I really am hoping that this legislation gets forced through because it does nothing but HELP my family out.

fracto73: I like how he says that illegals won't be covered by the bill, they are specifically excluded, only to be met by people chanting read the bill. So he does. He reads them the section excluding illegals. Classy.

Do you have a link to a video of that somewhere?

soy_bomb: Barney Frank's outreach program.

Oh, I see because he is gay he wants to touch other men. Pretty sure we know that he likes cock. So does my wife. What is your point? Are you 7?

there their theyre: fracto73: I like how he says that illegals won't be covered by the bill, they are specifically excluded, only to be met by people chanting read the bill. So he does. He reads them the section excluding illegals. Classy.

Do you have a link to a video of that somewhere?



Someone posted this up thread a bit.


http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/08/cnn-reports-on-barney-franks-rowdy-t ow n.html (new window)

You can also look on cnn for the vid

Dfresh429:
And, I am not looking for a polite, gentlemanly discussion. I just wanna know what this thing is all about. What it means to ME and how it will effect my life. But unfortunately, the people in the know are distracted by having to deal with this bullcrap. Thats all.

In fact, I really am hoping that this legislation gets forced through because it does nothing but HELP my family out.

I think that right there is where the Obama Administration failed in this debate... They took too long to start countering these nuts with the facts about the proposal. From the beginning, the dems should have been out there explaining their proposals in plain, simple language.

The GOP seems to have known what they wanted to do right from the get-go -derail the conversation- and their plan succeeded, unfortunately.

I'm still not convinced that the proposed plan is the right way to go, and I would have loved the GOP to have been putting the same amount of energy into promoting an alternative plan that they've put into getting the retards in their party all riled up. I mean the GOP alternative is pretty slim on details, but it seems like it has a couple of decent ideas in it at any rate.

All this white noise is bullshiat and isn't doing any citizen, regardless of political affiliation, any good.

Dfresh429: I am a republican and I cannot even stand these right wing nutjobs. They really are farking this whole entire conversation/debate up.

I want a discussion/debate about whether or not this is RIGHT for the country. Not fear mongering psychobabble!

I'm sorry, sir, but chapter 6, subchapter 22, clause 3 of the Republican Bylaws states you are clearly out of line. Proper deference and contrition are to be shown to the GOP by appearing on at least two Fox commentary shows, and the Rush Limbaugh program, and publicly flagellating yourself therein.

Dfresh429: I am a republican and I cannot even stand these right wing nutjobs. They really are farking this whole entire conversation/debate up.

I want a discussion/debate about whether or not this is RIGHT for the country. Not fear mongering psychobabble!

You're the exception and I don't mind inviting you to a seat at the table to discuss it like two adults.

Dems should just work within themselves and those in the GOP that want to discuss this in a rational manner. The rest can go DIAF.

I Said: Bob16: Frank was too good to her.

The only thing he should have said to that crazy biatch is "next".

He should have given the speech from the end of Happy Gilmore:
"We are all stupider for having heard that"

Billy Madison. There was a mob beating of Shooter at the end of Happy Gilmore.

Don't sweat it, I've done that mix up before.

Lumi: Another awesome clip from the same meeting, and the one the Freepers are talking about.

I lol'ed when he said, "Which one of you is gonna yell first?"

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortableridiculous question, there, Bahneh.

Go fark yourself, I'd send my dog to do it, but my dog is busy doing your mom.

thumpnugget thats what i came in here to say... based on the glossy photo she was holding up (along with her supporters next to her) it looked like the photo LaRouche supporters have been bandy-ing about.

She wasn't a Republican, she was a nutjog LaRouche lover

El_Perro: Capitalist1: (quoting the loon): This is the T-4 policy of the Hitler, of the Hitler policy of 1939, where he said certain lives are not worth living, certain people we should not spend the money to keep them alive. . . .

Ironically, this is true every day already. Alcoholics are denied liver transplants routinely, Insurance companies refuse to cover heroic measures that stand little chance of doing more than prolonging life for weeks or months, parents sadly pull the plug on brain-dead children.

Is it worth spending hundreds of thousands in tax (or shareholder) dollars for a multiple organ transplant for a 90-year old man who is unlikely to live more than another 5 years no matter how good the surgical outcome?

Unpleasant choices need to be made sometimes. Medical resources are finite, and this has probably been happening since the time of Hippocrates.

I can never figure out if I like Barney Frank or not.

But if I had only this instance to go on, I'd say he's pretty much awesome.

keylock71: I think that right there is where the Obama Administration failed in this debate... They took too long to start countering these nuts with the facts about the proposal. From the beginning, the dems should have been out there explaining their proposals in plain, simple language.

I have an elderly relative that keeps sending me emails asking, "where's the REAL document. The one the Dems passed around BEFORE the bill was written??" She keeps trying to convince me that the bill isn't the REAL agenda. That and she is convinced Medicare is NOT in ANYWAY a government program because she has to pay for it every month out of her Social Security check. There really is no arguing with some people. I finally told her last night if she wants to have a civil and reasoned discourse about this I'm more than happy to oblige, but otherwise she can stfu and get back in the kitchen.

/yes, she's a birther

People get emotional when their future is on the line.

Making light of that is scumbaggery at it's apex.

RockIsDead: People get emotional when their future is on the line.

Making light of that is scumbaggery at it's apex.

Sorry, adults are trying to solve problems here. Kiddie emotions don't contribute. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Rep. Barney Frank to woman comparing Obama's health care policy to Nazis: Arguing with you is like having an argument with my dining room table.: I am not interested

FTFY

RockIsDead: People get emotional when their future is on the line.

True, but that is no excuse to be farkING RETARDED and start comparing things to TOTALLY UNRELATED BULLshiat in order to make yourself an ATTENTION WHORE.

Stupid coont got what she deserved for making such a mind-numbingly absurd comparison. fark her for asking and fark any of you assholes that think she had a point beyond the one at the top of her head.

lstywnch: There really is no arguing with some people.

Can't argue with that...

RockIsDead: People get emotional when their future is on the line.

Making light of that is scumbaggery at it's apex.

Yes, please explain where in the Dems' proposal it calls for the forced rounding up and executing of the elderly... you know, the point of this whack job's question.

The only thing to do with morons like this woman (and you presumably) is mock them and then ignore them.

Hilikus9191: Here is the entire clip
(new window)
/or at least the longest one my lazy ass found

Get the Joe the Plumber wannabe who gets up with a fake "can't pay my mortgage" scenario and then tries to zap Frank. What a tool.

RockIsDead: People get emotional when their future is on the line.

Making light of that is scumbaggery at it's apex.

I agree. To take a discussion on healthcare and turn it into a platform for LaRouchebaggery is to treat the subject and the other participants with utmost contempt. Their bullshiat talking points and obnoxious poutbursts insult my intelligence and waste my time.

Who's making light of what, now?

Frankiesuicide: Ah Mr. Frank I knew there was a reason I liked you.

He gives great blow jobs?

You should be careful, though: You do NOT know where that mouth has been.....

From free republic on Barney Frank...

To: Federalist Patriot
He has a lot of neive constituents in his district. That's why this slob and degenerate keeps getting re-elected.


Classy...

bookman: Frankiesuicide: Ah Mr. Frank I knew there was a reason I liked you.

He gives great blow jobs?

You should be careful, though: You do NOT know where that mouth has been.....

remember that, next time you kiss your mom.

toonz: bookman: Frankiesuicide: Ah Mr. Frank I knew there was a reason I liked you.

He gives great blow jobs?

You should be careful, though: You do NOT know where that mouth has been.....

remember that, next time you kiss your mom.

Oh, he knows all too well where his mom's mouth has been...

keylock71: lstywnch: There really is no arguing with some people.

Can't argue with that...

RockIsDead: People get emotional when their future is on the line.

Making light of that is scumbaggery at it's apex.

Yes, please explain where in the Dems' proposal it calls for the forced rounding up and executing of the elderly... you know, the point of this whack job's question.

The only thing to do with morons like this woman (and you presumably) is mock them and then ignore them.

*The plan had clear opportunities for abuse.

*Human nature will always abuse when possible.

/powerpoint chart to follow

Several people wanted to know how the government would pay for the reforms without worsening a growing federal budget deficit.

AMMENDED:
People get emotional when their future is on the line and their political representative REFUSES to ANSWER the QUESTIONS.

RockIsDead: Several people wanted to know how the government would pay for the reforms without worsening a growing federal budget deficit.

AMMENDED:
People get emotional when their future is on the line and their political representative REFUSES to ANSWER the QUESTIONS.

Hey, RockIsDead, why do you continue to support eating babies and raping Girl Scouts?

I liked that video, but it doesn't excuse the point that he had more to do with the meltdown of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac than pretty much any other single politician.

This economic downturn should be known as the Frank recession.

El Freak: RockIsDead: Several people wanted to know how the government would pay for the reforms without worsening a growing federal budget deficit.

AMMENDED:
People get emotional when their future is on the line and their political representative REFUSES to ANSWER the QUESTIONS.

Hey, RockIsDead, why do you continue to support eating babies and raping Girl Scouts?

Ya, answer the question RockIsDead.

Mart Laar's beard shaver: I liked that video, but it doesn't excuse the point that he had more to do with the meltdown of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac than pretty much any other single politician.

This economic downturn should be known as the Frank recession.

Ya, he really steamrolled that through as the Minority Chair of the Housing Committee. What an A-hole.

God bless Barney Frank, and God bless The United States Of America.

mrshowrules: El Freak: RockIsDead: Several people wanted to know how the government would pay for the reforms without worsening a growing federal budget deficit.

AMMENDED:
People get emotional when their future is on the line and their political representative REFUSES to ANSWER the QUESTIONS.

Hey, RockIsDead, why do you continue to support eating babies and raping Girl Scouts?

Ya, answer the question RockIsDead.

Don't dodge this question, RockIsDead.

You guys belong in the "'Pres. Obama Doesn't Have A Very Robust Sense Of Humor'" theead one down with your fellow Humorless Idol with those lame attempts.

To be fair, both Obamacare and Nazis want to kill Barney Frank's grandparents.

RockIsDead: You guys belong in the "'Pres. Obama Doesn't Have A Very Robust Sense Of Humor'" theead one down with your fellow Humorless Idol with those lame attempts.

Go drink some scotch. It will make you more emotional, and people will listen to you more.

RockIsDead: You guys belong in the "'Pres. Obama Doesn't Have A Very Robust Sense Of Humor'" theead one down with your fellow Humorless Idol with those lame attempts.

STOP DODGING THE QUESTION, GIRL SCOUT RAPER.

RockIsDead: Several people wanted to know how the government would pay for the reforms without worsening a growing federal budget deficit.

AMMENDED:
People get emotional when their future is on the line and their political representative REFUSES to ANSWER the QUESTIONS.

She refused to listen to the answer, you tool.

Nice.

I know- I wish the 4Channer, meme-hurling youth would find a website more suited to their amount of political expertise. Maybe this one! (newb window)

RockIsDead: You guys belong in the "'Pres. Obama Doesn't Have A Very Robust Sense Of Humor'" theead one down with your fellow Humorless Idol with those lame attempts.

Not good enough. We demand you answer the question, you baby eating Girl Scout raping SOCIALIST!

RavynWiald: RockIsDead: You guys belong in the "'Pres. Obama Doesn't Have A Very Robust Sense Of Humor'" theead one down with your fellow Humorless Idol with those lame attempts.

STOP DODGING THE QUESTION, GIRL SCOUT RAPER.

Yes, exactly. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE????

I've been irritated ever since Mitch McConnell bawwed over people even questioning these protesters' motivations and integrity, so I'm glad someone finally has the balls to call a spade a spade.

Critch: RockIsDead: You guys belong in the "'Pres. Obama Doesn't Have A Very Robust Sense Of Humor'" theead one down with your fellow Humorless Idol with those lame attempts.

Not good enough. We demand you answer the question, you baby eating Girl Scout raping SOCIALIST!

So it's confirmed, as RockIsDead has repeatedly dodged the question, not only does RID support baby eating and Girl Scout raping, we can safely assume he engages in these activities himself.

Cubic Zirconium Jim Brady: Get the Joe the Plumber wannabe who gets up with a fake "can't pay my mortgage" scenario and then tries to zap Frank.

The plumber, he says "never flush a tampoon." This great information cost me half a week's pay.

RockIsDead: keylock71: lstywnch: There really is no arguing with some people.

Can't argue with that...

RockIsDead: People get emotional when their future is on the line.

Making light of that is scumbaggery at it's apex.

Yes, please explain where in the Dems' proposal it calls for the forced rounding up and executing of the elderly... you know, the point of this whack job's question.

The only thing to do with morons like this woman (and you presumably) is mock them and then ignore them.

*The plan had clear opportunities for abuse.

*Human nature will always abuse when possible.

/powerpoint chart to follow



Again, where in the proposal does it make reference to rounding up old people and disposing of them?

It's a very simple question to answer if one is not an intellectually dishonest idealogue...

Action Replay Nick: It's funny, because this is utterly ridiculous and Frank is entirely right to admonish this idiot. However, he is Barney Frank, so this will be conservative outrage number 1 first thing in the morning after Malkin or someone stays up all night twisting this into 2000 words so they can collect a paycheck this week.

Nah, this was it in action.

The kicker was this was an appearance at event he was asked to come speak at, and not a town hall meeting.

The idiots rallied to flood this event and make him look bad, so he said sure, got a bigger room to get em all in, started talking about the facts in the debate, and made them all look like imbeciles while berating them with his funny lisp for their stupidity.

/happy to have him as our rep.

Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable moronic question, there, Bahneh.

ftfy

RavynWiald: Critch: RockIsDead: You guys belong in the "'Pres. Obama Doesn't Have A Very Robust Sense Of Humor'" theead one down with your fellow Humorless Idol with those lame attempts.

Not good enough. We demand you answer the question, you baby eating Girl Scout raping SOCIALIST!

So it's confirmed, as RockIsDead has repeatedly dodged the question, not only does RID support baby eating and Girl Scout raping, we can safely assume he engages in these activities himself.

First I thought you guys were being silly but considering how he has dodged the question I have come to the conclusion he is hiding something. My only other question is does he kill the babies before consuming them or does he eat them alive?

poot_rootbeer: Cubic Zirconium Jim Brady: Get the Joe the Plumber wannabe who gets up with a fake "can't pay my mortgage" scenario and then tries to zap Frank.

The plumber, he says "never flush a tampoon." This great information cost me half a week's pay.

And the toilet blew up later on the next day.

Barney has a funky speech impediment. I never heard him speak before. What a fascinating little character. He's like a Disney movie henchman from The Sword in the Stone or The Black Cauldron.

Funny, I don't remember any outrage from the left when the "Bush as Hitler" card was played.

Because Bush was totally the leader of the socialist worker's party.

Yanks_RSJ: Funny, I don't remember any outrage from the left when the "Bush as Hitler" card was played.

Because Bush was totally the leader of the socialist worker's party.


It's not just the comparison, although it's a dick move any way you cut it. The context in which it brought up matters - for instance the differences between a rally or protest and a townhall meeting in which one expects a serious discussion.

Yanks_RSJ: Funny, I don't remember any outrage from the left when the "Bush as Hitler" card was played.

Because Bush was totally the leader of the socialist worker's party.

Because the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic that represents the people of Korea.

RavynWiald: So it's confirmed, as RockIsDead has repeatedly dodged the question, not only does RID support baby eating and Girl Scout raping, we can safely assume he engages in these activities himself.

Not to mention he also supports legislation making such activities mandatory for all men ages 18-45.

Yanks_RSJ: Funny, I don't remember any outrage from the left when the "Bush as Hitler" card was played.

Because Bush was totally the leader of the socialist worker's party.

1. "National Socialism" is to Nazism as the "Democratic Republic of Korea" is to North Korea.

Fascism is a right-wing idealogy.

2. Anyone comparing Bush to Hitler is just as much an idiot, though at least people had a reason to be upset for the invasion of Iraq.

Yanks_RSJ: Funny, I don't remember any outrage from the left when the "Bush as Hitler" card was played.

Because Bush was totally the leader of the socialist worker's party.

We can't control our hippies as you can't control your moonbats.

The difference is we figured out how to ignore ours, you inflame and support yours, and base national policy on them.

Big difference. Whens the last time we've had a party leader siding with code pink, Green Rainbows, or the Larouchs?

Yanks_RSJ: Funny, I don't remember any outrage from the left when the "Bush as Hitler" card was played.

That as may be, but do you find this particular occasion reprehensible? I only ask this to see if you are using absolute or relative morals in this case.

Vertdang: I couldn't care less that he's gay.

I know what you mean. I'm more disturbed by the fact he's left-handed. You do know that's a sign of the devil, don't you?

Yanks_RSJ: Funny, I don't remember any outrage from the left when the "Bush as Hitler" card was played.

Because Bush was totally the leader of the socialist worker's party.

Hmm... Okay, N.B., I am not condoning either use of hyperbole, but I just want to stack them up side to side.

Obama is Hitler because he wants to increase access for health care financing to more Americans.
Bush is Hitler because he illegally invaded a sovereign nation, authorized torture, and helped foment a culture of fear.

As a Jew, I think that calling anyone Hitler dangerously equivocates mass genocide with the outrage of the day, but if you can't see a difference in application between our present and former presidents, then wow.

Just wow.

The woman looks all kinds of crazy.

WFern: 2. Anyone comparing Bush to Hitler is just as much an idiot, though at least people had a reason to be upset for the invasion of Iraq.

Meh. I hear you and yeah there are reasons to be upset about that and all that jazz... however there are just elements of Free Speech^(tm) that tell me the speaker or protester is really not interested in any form of discussion or discourse. One could have a protest in favor of sunshine and kittens, but if you burn an American flag I'm not so likely to want to be on your side; likewise whenever anyone pulls out any sort of Nazi analogy.

Back in '04, I was part of a crew that traveled from NY to PA to canvas some for the D's up and down the ticket. Anyway, one of my fellow canvassers was a lovingly busty woman wearing a t-shirt that said "fark Bush". Yeah, she actually had to be told "Sorry, but you cannot go knocking on doors wearing that slogan".

As a Jew,

Why can't Jews resist telling everyone they're Jewish?

I'm Catholic. Who farking cares? Hitler hated Catholics and Jews equally. He just knew the Catholics would be harder to round up so he started with the Jews. Blacks and cripples were after that. Then it was re-gifters.

Really? I'm the first one to post this?

rufus-t-firefly: soy_bomb: Barney Frank's outreach program.

Why is Barney Frank's hand on...that...man's...ass...?

Oh my God.

soy_bomb just outed Barney Frank.

I'm stunned.

You shouldn't be. Barney Frank has been out of the closet for years.

So, submitter - why no hero tag? Surely this deserves it.

shivashakti: LaRouchers? Jesus Christ.. they're still around?

How do people continue to take that crap seriously?

They're odd ones, the LaRouche people. 99% of the time they spew purest insanity. Then there are those rare occasions where they turn up some excellent research and unearth something genuine and frightening.

The only political enigma I can think of that even comes close is Pat Buchanan. He is way, way off to the right, as partisan as they get. Yet I have never once known him to lie, spin, distort, or to place partisan loyalties above his principles. It's pretty much unheard of in politics for anyone to maintain that level of honesty and remain as long as he has.

Davey Croquette: As a Jew,

Why can't Jews resist telling everyone they're Jewish?

I'm Catholic. Who farking cares? Hitler hated Catholics and Jews equally. He just knew the Catholics would be harder to round up so he started with the Jews. Blacks and cripples were after that. Then it was re-gifters.

It couldn't possibly be that my heritage has influenced my opinion of the bandying about of Hitler's name and visage?

And also, you know, the several years that I've been here, I sure have brought it up a lot.

Oh, and finally:

Hitler hated Catholics and Jews equally

I don't know if you're trolling, but I'll take it on good faith that you're not (prove me wrong if you wish). In that case, I highly suggest you educate yourself about this time in history.

Here' some resources to get you started:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0033.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs

Read. I'll wait for your intelligent, thoughtful, and erudite response.

RavynWiald: I'll wait for your intelligent, thoughtful, and erudite response.

Heh... You might want to get some Tolstoy and a comfy place to sit...

The table would probably win a debate with Barney. Yeah he's that stupid!!

poot_rootbeer: Cubic Zirconium Jim Brady: Get the Joe the Plumber wannabe who gets up with a fake "can't pay my mortgage" scenario and then tries to zap Frank.

The plumber, he says "never flush a tampoon." This great information cost me half a week's pay.

hehe... I thought "Catholic Girls" myself... but was thinking the same thing when I read that

I don't know if you're trolling, but I'll take it on good faith that you're not (prove me wrong if you wish).

Yeah, Hitler hated Catholics. That's what I said. That's what your articles say.

WTF is your problem?

Davey Croquette: I don't know if you're trolling, but I'll take it on good faith that you're not (prove me wrong if you wish).

Yeah, Hitler hated Catholics. That's what I said. That's what your articles say.

WTF is your problem?

Le sigh.
I could take the time to point that you didn't just say Hitler hated Catholics, you said he hated Jews and Catholics equally, in an attempt to disparage me from introducing context into my view that calling people Hitler is dangerously equivocating, but instead I think I'll simply respond in kind...

YOUR MY PROBLEM farkFACE.

It's nice to see there's a Democrat in Congress who has a spine.

WiredMann: The table would probably win a debate with Barney. Yeah he's that stupid!!

Way off... He has a pretty quick wit. Even with his lisp he'd tear most folks apart in a debate. You can certainly disagree with the man on policy matters, but he's not a stupid person, by any stretch of the imagination.

I highly suggest you educate yourself about this time in history.


Okay, so since you're (maybe) Jewish you have a better insight into Hitler's mind than I do.

Okay. Gotcha.

YOUR MY PROBLEM farkFACE.

Why? We agree with each other. You just got all snippy because you made a false assumption about my motives.

FlashHarry: Not An Alt: I Said: Chapter 72, paragraph 149

whatever, you think the book is that big? I would guess it's 30 pages max, with illustrations on each page.

i would have thought it was a flash card with two bullets:

• tax cuts!
• deregulation!

You forgot tort reform!

Step 1: Tax cuts
Step 2: Tort reform
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit!

/summed up the GOP plan in 4 simple steps

Davey Croquette: As a Jew,

Why can't Jews resist telling everyone they're Jewish?

I'm Catholic. Who farking cares? Hitler hated Catholics and Jews equally. He just knew the Catholics would be harder to round up so he started with the Jews. Blacks and cripples were after that. Then it was re-gifters.

Yeah, right. The history of the Third Reich is replete with stories of government officials raiding parishes in Bavaria, making lists of all known Catholics, rounding up Catholics into terrible ghettoes before shipping them off in boxcars by the millions to labor camps, never to be heard from or seen again. And who can forget Goebbels's famous propaganda pieces on The Papist Menace, reminding good Germans that the Mary-worshippers were lurking just around the corner speaking in Latin and eating fish on Fridays.

Yes, there were other minorities and oppressed groups who died as a result of Nazi racial and ideological purity policies. No, the Catholics were not among them. While the Third Reich was decidedly cruel toward many people who were not Jews, and not exactly fond or solicitous of German Catholics, the persecution of Jews in the Third Reich was one of the more disturbing aspects of the regime, and will probably be their legacy for eternity.

It doesn't take a Ph.D. in European History to know that the Jews had had a horrible time in Europe for centuries - stolen from, exiled, forced to convert, murdered, walled off in ghettoes or hidden from sight in shiatty village reservations, and used as a scapegoat by any king who wanted to create a diversion.

The shocking thing about Nazi anti-semitism and why that story is the most powerful is that in the years leading up to the Third Reich, Germany was probably the "safest" place to be a Jew in the Western World. Jews were allowed to study in universities, pursue careers in professions generally closed to them, own property and live among the general population, and not be reminded every day that they were outsiders. Late 20's Berlin was much like modern New York. Germany was a relatively tolerant, progressive, inclusive society that valued education, the arts, and other democratic values.

And then in the midst of political and economic turmoil, the country lost its collective mind and put its trust in a charismatic racist and his band of thugs, who not only revisited the hatreds of the past, but pursued racist ends through a terrifying level of organization and technology. Rather than a pogrom here, a Kristallnacht there, he used the economic and technological might of Germany to create a massive infrastructure of death factories, erasing half of Europe's Jewish population in less than a decade.

Were there horrible Nazi policies toward Communists, homosexuals, blacks, and the mentally ill. Absolutely. But they were not pursued with the insane fervor with which the Nazis pursued the goal of Jewish extermination.

And that's what people typically think of when the spectre of Hitler is raised in the early 21st century. 'Hitler' or 'Nazi' are shorthand for those who appeal to modern society's basest instincts and wish to murder people by the millions for the crime of being born. It's a conversation-stopper, and its use in a context other than genocide and bigotry is and ought to be offensive to all people. It is particularly offensive to the Jews, because it trivializes the systematic extermination of entire peoples.

To refer to a policy of health care reform as a "Nazi" policy simply because you don't like it is categorically insane, adds nothing to the conversation, and trivializes the Holocaust.

And yes, the Jews take it personally. Many of us have relatives who died in the camps. Many of us know survivors who suffered hell on earth. How many Catholics can say that? (Certainly not Benedict XVI...)

/first they came for the re-gifters?

Davey Croquette: I highly suggest you educate yourself about this time in history.


Okay, so since you're (maybe) Jewish you have a better insight into Hitler's mind than I do.

Okay. Gotcha.

Right. That's exactly what I said. Except no wait, it wasn't, not once. Is your reading comprehension really this bad? The reason I stated my ethnicity is, because like Congresman Barney Frank, it influences how I feel about people using Hitler's name and visage to disparage political opponents. But you're right, all us Juden have telepathic insight into Hitler's mind. Shh, don't tell anyone.

YOUR MY PROBLEM farkFACE.

Why? We agree with each other. You just got all snippy because you made a false assumption about my motives.

I suppose I was wrong to infer motives based on what was communicated instead of what was thought, which I should've known anyway because of the aforementioned Jewish telepathy. We also have horns, you know.

Your motives, as communicated in your 'conversation' with me, seems to be that Jews shouldn't talk about how being Jews affects the way they feel about hearing Hitler's name used as a rhetorical device to demonize political opposition, because lol Hitler was a self-hating Catholic?

Or has my telepathy failed to divine your oh-so-pure motives?

You're fun. I like you.

(psst! Davey, stay down! You got smacked and rightly so.)


/Catholic

indylaw: smart stuff

Whee! A thoughtful, intelligent, and erudite response!

Thank you for your excellent breakdown on the complexities of the situation.

/secret Jew handshake!

I'm loving this. A group of citizens shouting absurd claims to elected officials and comparing President Obama to Hitler when we all know he really isn't..and anyone comparing a sitting president to a dictator who wanted nothing but to extinguish Jews and conquer the world..
Reminds me of..oh yeah...this:

Point: Dumbasses sit on eithre side of the political fence. Dems nor Republicans neither have an exclusive claim to the absurd. The only difference is which party now gets offended.

Since when is Wiald a Jewish name, anyway?

Davey Croquette: I highly suggest you educate yourself about this time in history.


Okay, so since you're (maybe) Jewish you have a better insight into Hitler's mind than I do.

Okay. Gotcha.

YOUR MY PROBLEM farkFACE.

Why? We agree with each other. You just got all snippy because you made a false assumption about my motives.

Dear Davey,

You are an idiot. Go kill yourself.

Best regards - Not jewish, but can pinpoint an idiot.

Davey Croquette: Since when is Wiald a Jewish name, anyway?

Right around the time YOU'RE MOM.

/Same level of discourse, no?

RavynWiald: indylaw: smart stuff

Whee! A thoughtful, intelligent, and erudite response!

Thank you for your excellent breakdown on the complexities of the situation.

/secret Jew handshake!

(ixnay on the Yid andshake-hay)

psst! Davey, stay down! You got smacked and rightly so

You're high. I made a post aimed at snagging reactionary religious types and BINGO!

The fact is Hitler, by his own words, disliked Catholics equally as Jews. Mein Kampf. Look for yourself.

It isn't uncommon for Jews to have avoided this book.

Bush probably didn't read the Obiography "Yo, I'm Black" or whatever Obama's autobiography is titled.

Not jewish,

Barely human, I'd guess.

I'm sorry Jews can't monopolize Nazi hate. The facts say otherwise. The Jews were just first on the list for logistical purposes not any greater hatred of them over the Catholics and blacks and disabled.

Sorry, Jews. But the Nazi's hated a lot of people.

Read his book. It's all in there. He didn't have any secrets about this.

Davey Croquette:
Bush probably didn't read the Obiography "Yo, I'm Black" or whatever Obama's autobiography is titled.

It's official. You're a moran. Did you really just compare "The Audacity of Hope" to "Mein Kampf"?

Davey Croquette: psst! Davey, stay down! You got smacked and rightly so

You're high. I made a post that went durrrr and more stuff that went daaahh.

So, you've studied Mein Kampf in depth is what you're saying?
And here I was earlier assuming you had no reading comprehension!

Davey Croquette: The fact is Hitler, by his own words, disliked Catholics equally as Jews. Mein Kampf. Look for yourself.

And when was Mein Kampf written in relationship to Hitler's rise to power again?

Idiot!!!

My god. My lovely little town made Fark twice in a week's time. We're moving up in the world!

\not a big fan of Frank, or this weird ass gerrymandered district
\\but still wouldn't go full tard on him like these tards did

my god, that is flawless. my hat is off to you barney.

Davey Croquette: Not jewish,

Barely human, I'd guess.

I'm sorry Jews can't monopolize Nazi hate. The facts say otherwise. The Jews were just first on the list for logistical purposes not any greater hatred of them over the Catholics and blacks and disabled.

Sorry, Jews. But the Nazi's hated a lot of people.

Read his book. It's all in there. He didn't have any secrets about this.

False. If you read Mein Kampf (have you?), it's clear that Hitler's hatred for the Jews is unique. He has an anecdote about how he had Jewish friends growing up and had not really considered the Jews to be inherently "un-German," until he saw some Hasidic Jews in Vienna with unusual clothing, unkempt beards, and peculiarly unGerman mannerisms. He then segues into an explanation about how all Jews, even the assimilated ones, are inherently alien to German society, and that the assimilated Jews are dangerous to Germany because despite their outwardly "normal" appearances, inside they're all genetically incompatible with Aryan values and their very existence, whether religious or not, threatens the strength of the German Volk.

Hitler was always fond of Bavaria, a state in Germany which was largely Catholic, and while he may not have been fond of the Catholic Church and its theology, there was no inherent Catholic race pollution in his theories. A Catholic could forsake the Church and become a "good German." A Jew was just a Jew.

Did you really just compare "The Audacity of Hope" to "Mein Kampf"?

It's no fun for me when you guys make it so easy, ya know.

And when was Mein Kampf written in relationship to Hitler's rise to power again?

And what difference does that make to my premise that Mein Kampf tells us that Hitler hated the Jews and Catholics equally?

Hitler told the entire world his philosophy on race in plenty of time for anyone to know. It was no secret and Hitler wasn't ashamed of it.

False. If you read Mein Kampf (have you?)

Yes. But not Obama's book. Obama's book isn't historically significant or a true insight into the author or even accurate.

Mein Kampf was prescient.

Obama's book is just rhetoric and unsubstantiated trivia.

hyperspacemonkey: Barney has a funky speech impediment. I never heard him speak before. What a fascinating little character. He's like a Disney movie henchman from The Sword in the Stone or The Black Cauldron.

All true, plus he's also got the nimblest wit I've ever seen. You do not want to verbally tangle with him unless you have some big brass neurons.

This guy is the love child of Dorothy Parker and Oscar Wilde.

Davey Croquette: durrrrr daaah doi doi bortle.

=D

It bears repeating, mostly because i don't have the patience to read the whole thread and search for it... but a gay man is defending a black man from cries of nazi-ism in a district that hasn't had a Republican representing them since Reagan was around.

Got all that? Good.

Davey Croquette: Did you really just compare "The Audacity of Hope" to "Mein Kampf"?

It's no fun for me when you guys make it so easy, ya know.

And when was Mein Kampf written in relationship to Hitler's rise to power again?

And what difference does that make to my premise that Mein Kampf tells us that Hitler hated the Jews and Catholics equally?

Hitler told the entire world his philosophy on race in plenty of time for anyone to know. It was no secret and Hitler wasn't ashamed of it.

Catholics are a race?

Davey Croquette: False. If you read Mein Kampf (have you?)

Yes. But not Obama's book. Obama's book isn't historically significant or a true insight into the author or even accurate.

Mein Kampf was prescient.

Obama's book is just rhetoric and unsubstantiated trivia.

You were the one comparing The Audacity of Hope to Mein Kampf, dude.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, other than to surmise that you are a self-hating Catholic with a persecution fetish, you masturbate to Mein Kampf, you really hate the Jews for having all the fun of being exterminated, and that you like to insert rodents into your small intestines.

Sure, the last part was a non-sequitur, but you started it with your "Obama is not at all like Hitler, and yet he is!" bullshiat.

FriarReb98:
\\but still wouldn't go full tard on him like these tards did

Dude, they were out in force yesterday... Lyndon LaRouche supporters were the ones handing out the Obama with a Hitler 'stache images. That's pretty much scraping the bottom of the retard barrel.

It was like Retard Day in SE Massachusetts yesterday... well, more so than every other day anyway.

Catholics are a race?

As much as Jews are, at least.

Davey Croquette: Mmm I love the taste of my foot.

Here, have a drink to wash it down.

Davey Croquette: I liek pie... rawr *ZAP*

Indeed.

Davey Croquette: And when was Mein Kampf written in relationship to Hitler's rise to power again?

And what difference does that make to my premise that Mein Kampf tells us that Hitler hated the Jews and Catholics equally?

Logically, your premise should be that Hitler hated Catholics and Jews equally at the time he wrote Mein Kampf. You have yet to establish that he never changed his mind, to say nothing of whether your reading of Mein Kampf is at all correct.

Certainly once the chips were down and it came time to implement policy your premise had ceased to be true.

keylock71: It was like Retard Day in SE Massachusetts yesterday... well, more so than every other day anyway.

El. Oh. El.

\and besides, there's all sorts of retards in the South Coast... just usually not this kind!

You were the one comparing The Audacity of Hope to Mein Kampf, dude.

No. If you read carefully I have a much higher opinion of Mein Kampf.

No comparison. Mein Kampf is a historically significant book everyone should read.

Obama's book is a empty rhetoric and family trivia that no one should read and expect to be smarter.

Davey Croquette: Mwa mwuhmwa mwuhmp.


Hey, at least your consistently stupid?

You have yet to establish that he never changed his mind, to say nothing of whether your reading of Mein Kampf is at all correct.

I have to establish he never changed his mind? Ha!

Okay. You're done, Beat it.

His written words say he disliked Jews and Catholics equally. This is the teaching of history whether you agree or not.

Catholics just haven't made a living off it...

Hey, at least your consistently stupid?

Ad hominem in the face of conflicting evidence after a goal post change (You have yet to establish that he never changed his mind) and I'M the stupid one?


I'm sorry if history doesn't square with your world view as a Jew but facts are facts.

By his own words, Hitler despised Catholics and Jews equally.

FriarReb98: keylock71: It was like Retard Day in SE Massachusetts yesterday... well, more so than every other day anyway.

El. Oh. El.

\and besides, there's all sorts of retards in the South Coast... just usually not this kind!

True... the usual retards around here aren't generally interested in politics unless it pertains to their welfare or disability checks.

I had to spend the whole day yesterday in NB District Court on jury duty. Got picked for a criminal case - unlawful discharge of a firearm within 500 ft of a dwelling in North Dartmouth. Two hours of testimony from some of the most inarticulate cops I've ever heard in my life (and that's big considering my exposure to cops is usually limited to the Fall River PD). The accused was also the husband of a Dartmouth cop... 'course the whole charge had to be dropped as the state failed to submit any evidence about the neighborhood (Alden Rd.) in order to establish that the firearm was indeed fired within 500 ft of a residence.

I love seeing my tax dollars at work... after that my retard tolerance had gone waaaayyyy down by the time I ran into the Lyndon LaRouche supporters.

Davey Croquette: You have yet to establish that he never changed his mind, to say nothing of whether your reading of Mein Kampf is at all correct.

I have to establish he never changed his mind? Ha!

I would say you do, given the teaching of history, which is that he knowingly presided over the mass murder of 6,000,000 jews and approximately 0 catholics.

Actions speak louder than words.

Davey Croquette: Really, really stupid and asinine things.

Hhaha, YOUR SO FUNNY. Man, your intellectual might staggers over us gnats and ants here at Fark.com. With your clever antisemitism and so totally awesome equivocating. Mmm. Just makes me want to put you on my favorites list!

Hahaha, so funny, and clever too!

Oh wait, I forgot about the long lost Hitler book entitled, "On Second Thought, Them Catholics are A-Okay!".

I would say you do, given the teaching of history, which is that he knowingly presided over the mass murder of 6,000,000 jews and approximately 0 catholics

Irrelevant.

Davey Croquette: I would say you do, given the teaching of history, which is that he knowingly presided over the mass murder of 6,000,000 jews and approximately 0 catholics

Irrelevant.



You get a real kick out of this, don't you?

"Ohboy, I've got them internets mad at me! Yay, someone's finally paying attention and affirming my existence!"

Man, you're a laughriot. A chuckle a minute. You should take your act on the road!

Davey Croquette: I would say you do, given the teaching of history, which is that he knowingly presided over the mass murder of 6,000,000 jews and approximately 0 catholics

Irrelevant.

Sure, if you have no critical thinking skills or any ability to man up and say "yeah, that was dumb and/or insensitive of me to say", I guess so.

What if he'd never written Mein Kampf? Would it still be "irrelevant" that he had millions of Jews exterminated? If not, what about having written Mein Kampf makes it irrelevant?

Rev. Creflo Baller: approximately 0 catholics

The Jesuits would like a word with you.

Davey Croquette: False. If you read Mein Kampf (have you?)

Yes. But not Obama's book. Obama's book isn't historically significant or a true insight into the author or even accurate.

Mein Kampf was prescient.

Obama's book is just rhetoric and unsubstantiated trivia

Fairly hard to substantiate that claim if you haven't read both? Where would your opinions of the latter be coming from?

Davey Croquette: I would say you do, given the teaching of history, which is that he knowingly presided over the mass murder of 6,000,000 jews and approximately 0 catholics

Irrelevant.

How in the world is the death of six million Jews irrelevant? Unless your point is merely that Hitler didn't like Catholics and he didn't like Jews and therefore Catholics and Jews are the same...

Well, I'd venture to say that you don't like Jews, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you've never killed any.

WhyteRaven74: Rev. Creflo Baller: approximately 0 catholics

The Jesuits would like a word with you.

About 4,000 Catholic priests were known to have been sent to the concentration camps. Given it's 4 orders of magnitude away from what happened to the Jews and was confined to Bishops and Priests, rather than regular church-goers, I'm going to stipulate "approximately 0" was an understatement but it's on a whole other scale from the Jewish holocaust.

Here's a link (new window) to the end of a decent text on the Nazis' relations to the Church.

/Numerous quotes in that text from Hitler and high Nazi officials that indicate his hatred of Catholics was nowhere in the same league as that for the Jews. He wanted to end Catholicism not exterminate Catholics in general. It's a little complicated by the fact that lots of Slavs, whom he intended to exterminate after consolidating power in Eastern Europe and once they were no longer needed as slaves, are Catholic.

AndreMA: El_Perro: Capitalist1: (quoting the loon): This is the T-4 policy of the Hitler, of the Hitler policy of 1939, where he said certain lives are not worth living, certain people we should not spend the money to keep them alive. . . .

Ironically, this is true every day already. Alcoholics are denied liver transplants routinely, Insurance companies refuse to cover heroic measures that stand little chance of doing more than prolonging life for weeks or months, parents sadly pull the plug on brain-dead children.

Is it worth spending hundreds of thousands in tax (or shareholder) dollars for a multiple organ transplant for a 90-year old man who is unlikely to live more than another 5 years no matter how good the surgical outcome?

Unpleasant choices need to be made sometimes. Medical resources are finite, and this has probably been happening since the time of Hippocrates.

So, you're in favor of Death Panels then? What's the hold up? Let's get this show on the road.

Oh wait, you where talking about our current Death Panel Program, the insurance companies. Never mind.

This was pretty funny. Good job, Bawney Fwank. The girl didn't look like she knew how to respond.

I never really liked Barney Frank. I do now.

Good God, Davy Croquette is putting on a superb show. Take notes, everyone, that's how it's done.

theorellior: Good God, Davy Croquette is putting on a superb show. Take notes, everyone, that's how it's done.

Yeah, that he is. Yes, I am bored this afternoon. Why do you ask?

theorellior: Good God, Davy Croquette is putting on a superb show. Take notes, everyone, that's how it's done.

He shouldn't get too full of himself, though. I, for one, don't care whether he really believes that nonsense.

However, the converse of Poe's Law says that there are people who do. If nothing else I want to smack them down by proxy.

How in the world is the death of six million Jews irrelevant? Unless your point is merely that Hitler didn't like Catholics and he didn't like Jews and therefore Catholics and Jews are the same...

Because my premise, that Hitler despised Catholics and Jews equally is supported by Hitler's words.

That Hitler killed more Jews than Catholics is circumstantial evidence that he may have hated Jews more than Catholics but there are many, many other explanations why more Jews were killed.

Since we have no reason to believe Hitler was lying when he said he disliked Jews and Catholics equally we can take them as prima facie fact.

Davey Croquette: How in the world is the death of six million Jews irrelevant? Unless your point is merely that Hitler didn't like Catholics and he didn't like Jews and therefore Catholics and Jews are the same...

Because my premise, that Hitler despised Catholics and Jews equally is supported by Hitler's words.

That Hitler killed more Jews than Catholics is circumstantial evidence that he may have hated Jews more than Catholics but there are many, many other explanations why more Jews were killed.

Since we have no reason to believe Hitler was lying when he said he disliked Jews and Catholics equally we can take them as prima facie fact.


I don't think that is true. He hated alot of groups but none as much as the Jews. I admit, partly because it a means to an end for him.

Fairly hard to substantiate that claim if you haven't read both? Where would your opinions of the latter be coming from

I don't have to read an entire book to know it's nothing but rhetoric and family trivia.

And it's written to appeal to children so I can't elevate it to scholarly status.

I know you guys have a lower intellectual threshold. After all, you people thought Obama's campaign web-page had details when it was simply lengthy rhetoric.

Wow. It's damn refreshing to finally see a politician call these farking retards what they are.

Obama, I hope you're taking notes. You don't have to indulge these idiots. You don't have to compromise with them. You don't have to pretend that you understand their concerns. They are farking idiots who really don't give a shiat about healthcare at all. They've been chomping at the bit to go after you since January and will jump on whatever comes their way, as long as they think it's from you. The whole Birther thing has proven to be a dead end for them so they are moving on to healthcare. That's it.

To be fair, there are valid criticisms of the reforms, but if all we are getting is Nazi comparisons, bullshiat "death panels," and lies about Obama wanting to kill your granny, then fark THEM. They aren't worth the toilet paper that wiped them off of Rush Limbaigh's ass.

Shove these reforms down their farking throats while you still have some political capital left. Sadly, thanks to the gullibility and general ignorance of the American public, it may already be too late.

indylaw: Hitler was always fond of Bavaria, a state in Germany which was largely Catholic, and while he may not have been fond of the Catholic Church and its theology, there was no inherent Catholic race pollution in his theories. A Catholic could forsake the Church and become a "good German." A Jew was just a Jew.

Yep. My mom is from Bavaria, grew up right smack in the middle of WWII, and like her whole family Catholic. My Oma never was sent to a concentration camp but she was awarded the "Mother's Cross" for having seven kids. This award was instituted on December 16, 1938 as part of Hitler's initiative to encourage Aryan population growth, and so only women with pure Aryan families could achieve such awards. (new window) My Oma, a Catholic, sure was Aryan enough to get a "Mother's Cross". I wonder how many Jewish mothers got the "Mother's Cross"?

To compare the plight of the Catholics to that of the jews in Germany durring WWII is intellectually dishonest at its best and total asshat stupidity at its worse. I don't know which you fall under but you are dead wrong on this one dude.

heavymetal: To compare the plight of the Catholics to that of the jews in Germany durring WWII is intellectually dishonest at its best and total asshat stupidity at its worse. I don't know which you fall under but you are dead wrong on this one dude.

Referring to Davey Croquette and not you indylaw about being dead wrong. Sorry about that.

Amusing is right...

Because this would be called a 'meltdown on camera' if a Republican had done it.

randomjsa: Amusing is right...

Because this would be called a 'meltdown on camera' if a Republican had done it.

I regret responding to a comment that was from earlier, because it put my comment in the way of the glorious beating that Davey Croquette is taking. This thread has turned a Legendary "OH SNAP!" thread of people getting told. I realized that when I was trying to decide which great comment to include in my profile of people getting shut down, and came to a conclusion that there were too many.

I don't even care if he's just a troll putting in some extra effort before he clocks out for the day. I'm thoroughly enjoying this new conversation because:

A) I get to see some first rate debate ass kicking.

B) I get to learn about a significant event in history from some real life world views.

C) I get to see people from all walks of life coming together in recognizing a dumb-ass for what he is, and reacting together.

It's something special that no one has defended Davey yet. Though that just means he's too inexperienced yet to make multiple accounts.

Davey Croquette: Because my premise, that Hitler despised Catholics and Jews equally is supported by Hitler's words.

Except when it isn't. In a memo from his office to the Papal Nuncio to the Reich in June of 1942, Hitler said "Although the Concordat [of 1933] is outdated at many points, the Führer considers it to be officially in force."

This is, of course, six months after they came up with the "Final Solution" and started wholesale massacres of the Jews. The sum and substance of the Concordat between the Reich and the Vatican is a cordial (hence the word) working relationship designed to allow Catholic Bishops to lend support to the Reich.

German Catholics under Hitler were never prevented from attending Mass nor were they persecuted to any extent. Their Priests and Bishops were farked with quite a lot but mostly not exterminated.

So he may have said in the 1920s that he hated Catholics but by the 30s he was repeatedly publicly assuring them that the Reich was cool with them. Later, the official policy of the Reich was live-and-let-live so long as the Church in Germany didn't openly object to the Nazis' other policies.

theorellior: Good God, Davy Croquette is putting on a superb show. Take notes, everyone, that's how it's done.

Problem is, even if he is trolling, a lot of his rhetoric - including what I interpret as a bit of Third Reich-fandom ("barely human" and "Mein Kampf was prescient")- is the same sort of stuff I hear from rightwingers around here every freaking day.

superbeerchan: theorellior: Good God, Davy Croquette is putting on a superb show. Take notes, everyone, that's how it's done.

Problem is, even if he is trolling, a lot of his rhetoric - including what I interpret as a bit of Third Reich-fandom ("barely human" and "Mein Kampf was prescient")- is the same sort of stuff I hear from rightwingers around here every freaking day.

And even if he is trolling, there are people listening who will take it seriously. If no one was around to slap him about like a little girl as well as these guys have been doing, some people might have thought his words held some weight. And that's how a group of people become dumb as shiat.

Has anyone made a joke about Frank obviously losing a lot of arguments with food? Or winning, I guess.

Franks and beans anyone?

Benjamin the Rogue: I regret responding to a comment that was from earlier, because it put my comment in the way of the glorious beating that Davey Croquette is taking. This thread has turned a Legendary "OH SNAP!" thread of people getting told. I realized that when I was trying to decide which great comment to include in my profile of people getting shut down, and came to a conclusion that there were too many.

I don't even care if he's just a troll putting in some extra effort before he clocks out for the day. I'm thoroughly enjoying this new conversation because:

A) I get to see some first rate debate ass kicking.

B) I get to learn about a significant event in history from some real life world views.

C) I get to see people from all walks of life coming together in recognizing a dumb-ass for what he is, and reacting together.

It's something special that no one has defended Davey yet. Though that just means he's too inexperienced yet to make multiple accounts.

I've been enjoying it. Indylaw has laid down some remarkably informative posts.

keylock71: randomjsa: Amusing is right...

Because this would be called a 'meltdown on camera' if a Republican had done it.

nope- the secretary of state was called out quite rightly on her snippy outburst... this is a very different case.

Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.

Benjamin the Rogue: Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.

Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.

RockIsDead:
Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.

Not the judiciary, sorry.

Yet.

RockIsDead: Benjamin the Rogue: Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.

Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.

The point. You have missed it.

El Freak: RockIsDead: Benjamin the Rogue: Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.

Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.

The point. You have missed it.

No, you all made NO point.

Barney was unable and unwilling to answer sincere and meaningful and RELATIVE questions from his OWN constituents. He's a shimmy-shimmy-shake flim-flam con-man politician of the highest order.

Your stupid 'equivalence' crap was 12 year old idiotware.

RockIsDead: Barney was unable and unwilling to answer sincere and meaningful and RELATIVE questions from his OWN constituents

When one of them asks one, I'm sure he'll answer it.

RockIsDead: El Freak: RockIsDead: Benjamin the Rogue: Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.

Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.

The point. You have missed it.

No, you all made NO point.

Barney was unable and unwilling to answer sincere and meaningful and RELATIVE questions from his OWN constituents. He's a shimmy-shimmy-shake flim-flam con-man politician of the highest order.

Your stupid 'equivalence' crap was 12 year old idiotware.


BWAAAAHAHAHHAHA. Oh man, you and Davey Croquette need to go on the road together, because this is HILARIOUS.

Sincere, :snort:, meaningful, :chuckle:, and RELATIVE.

:GUFFAWS ENSUE:

Seriously, though. Did you even hear this lady's question?

RockIsDead: El Freak: RockIsDead: Benjamin the Rogue: Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.

Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.

The point. You have missed it.

No, you all made NO point.

Barney was unable and unwilling to answer sincere and meaningful and RELATIVE questions from his OWN constituents. He's a shimmy-shimmy-shake flim-flam con-man politician of the highest order.

Your stupid 'equivalence' crap was 12 year old idiotware.

Sorry, but "why do you support Nazi policies", when what is being proposed is nothing even REMOTELY close to what is being proposed is not a "sincere and meaningful" question. It's more insane bullshiat from a LaRouchebag. According to the LaRouchebags, whoever happens to be in power at the moment is Hitler.That dimwit deserved the response she got.

Anyway, today's the first time I've seen you here in a long time. Did your NYZooMan alt get banninated or something?

Ugh, "when that is nothing even remotely close to..." yadayadayada.

Anyway, you're still dodging the question. Why do you support raping Girl Scouts? It's about as "sincere and relevant" a question as that dumbshiat asked, and I think we deserve an answer.

Action Replay Nick: It's funny, because this is utterly ridiculous and Frank is entirely right to admonish this idiot. However, he is Barney Frank, so this will be conservative outrage number 1 first thing in the morning after Malkin or someone stays up all night twisting this into 2000 words so they can collect a paycheck this week.

But damn, why did it take this long for someone to tie on a pair of nads and say, "You are a psychotic dumbass, please STFU." Why have we put on a straight face and pretended that the psychos who claimed the Clintons murdered people, and that Obama is a foreign national, and death panels would be set up, might be nice people with a point for the last dozen or so years? If I thought Frank might be remotely interested in wimmen, I would get down on one arthritic knee and propose.

I loved the look on that chick's face when she realized she'd been told. Priceless! She actually LOOKED like a dining room table for a second there.

But then, soon as Barney stopped for a breath she went right back into her Godwin schtick.

Not that it matters, but I'd have hit it. I've humped worse looking furniture.

keylock71: I had to spend the whole day yesterday in NB District Court on jury duty....

Ya. The last time I served was in Taunton. Seven kids (with six lawyers) charged with b&e, basically caught in the yard of a house that there had been a party in. They couldn't establish any of the kids were actually in the house (and this was before CSI, dating it a bit), and they claimed they missed the party and were leaving. But, despite this preponderance of suck, we had to listen to all six lawyers chatter away forever. So even though we had a verdict in five minutes, since they had wasted so much time, we had to come back the next day to say so because it was too late in the day.

Stupid is a cash crop here in the South Coast....

indylaw: It doesn't take a Ph.D. in European History to know that the Jews had had a horrible time in Europe for centuries - stolen from, exiled, forced to convert, murdered, walled off in ghettoes or hidden from sight in shiatty village reservations, and used as a scapegoat by any king who wanted to create a diversion.

you know if it was one isolated issue, I'd blame the aggressor. but if you knew someone that constantly got in trouble no matter where they lived, you'd start wondering maybe just maybe there is something wrong with the person and not their neighbors....

trouzourt: indylaw: It doesn't take a Ph.D. in European History to know that the Jews had had a horrible time in Europe for centuries - stolen from, exiled, forced to convert, murdered, walled off in ghettoes or hidden from sight in shiatty village reservations, and used as a scapegoat by any king who wanted to create a diversion.

you know if it was one isolated issue, I'd blame the aggressor. but if you knew someone that constantly got in trouble no matter where they lived, you'd start wondering maybe just maybe there is something wrong with the person and not their neighbors....

Tell you what. By my clock, it's Thursday, and Thursday is indylaw's Be Kind to Retards Day, so I'm going to give you a chance to explain yourself before I tear you a new rhetorical asshole. What can I say? I'm a giving person.

I have two questions for you, and please, feel free to answer them honestly. The first is in direct relation to your statement:

1. What is it, precisely, that the Jews, as a people, did to warrant theft, apartheid, rape, murder and exile in the various nations of Christendom? And is it a defect of culture or genetics? Enlighten me.

The second is more for my own academic curiosity:

2. Do you believe that the Holocaust happened, or is a hoax?

Davey Croquette Fairly hard to substantiate that claim if you haven't read both? Where would your opinions of the latter be coming from

I don't have to read an entire book to know it's nothing but rhetoric and family trivia.

And it's written to appeal to children so I can't elevate it to scholarly status.

I know you guys have a lower intellectual threshold. After all, you people thought Obama's campaign web-page had details when it was simply lengthy rhetoric

That's a good amount of assumptions you are making not only about what is in it but also about all who have read it.
However, you are right. Audacity is not scholarly material by any means, bios or even autobios rarely are. Considering Mein was not actually written directly by Hitler (who was an admittedly horrible writer), it is a wonder it as highly regarded as it is by anyone.

randomjsa: Amusing is right...

Because this would be called a 'meltdown on camera' if a Republican had done it.

Yup. Those evil liberal media types just love to assassinate the characters of good, conservative, god-fearing Republicans like Howard Dean, don't they?

Seriously.. will someone from his district tell us all.... Why the fark do you keep re-electing that sack of syphilitic shiat?

Xerxes99: Seriously.. will someone from his district tell us all.... Why the fark do you keep re-electing that sack of syphilitic shiat?

Because he gets shiat done for his constituents... and all politics are local.

Your childish insults aside, Frank stays involved with his constituents and while you may disagree with him (and I do on certain issues), he is a smart man, who doesn't mind telling you what he thinks... Something that folks around here can appreciate.

Like I stated above, calling this woman on her obvious bullshiat and his continued support of my city's fight against an proposed LNG terminal in a residential area are why he got my vote last election and will continue to get my vote.

Honestly, since you're not a constituent, your opinion of him means next to nothing to me... no offense meant.

Xerxes99: Seriously.. will someone from his district tell us all.... Why the fark do you keep re-electing that sack of syphilitic shiat?

So you've been told.

indylaw: 1. What is it, precisely, that the Jews, as a people, did to warrant theft, apartheid, rape, murder and exile in the various nations of Christendom? And is it a defect of culture or genetics? Enlighten me.

The second is more for my own academic curiosity:

2. Do you believe that the Holocaust happened, or is a hoax?

to answer 2) yes i think it happened.. whats is your point ?

as for question number 1) im not sure why not ask all the people that found it justifiable to rape, murder, kill and etc etc etc...

im going to go head and say culture.. genetics has nothing to do with the situation. a serial rapist COULD have a child that becomes a useful and productive member of the society .

and I dont believe stupidityreligion is transferred genetically:

for example :" The official reason given for driving out the Jews was that they encouraged the Marranos to persist in their Jewishness and thus would not allow them to become good Christians."
reason cited for Their Expulsion from Spain, 1492 CE

"On top of the general Christian suspicion of Jews at the time, when the thousands of French members of the People's Crusade arrived at the Rhine, they had run out of provisions.[7] To restock their supplies, they began to plunder Jewish food and property while attempting to force them to convert to Christianity.[7]"

replaces jews in above citations with blacks, muslims, chinese or any other group that in general while meeting White people for the first time were treated like animals or lesser beings and you pretty much have most of the recorded history....

Now let me ask you this,

do you see any other religious group of people treating anyone else unfairly because of what has happened in the past ?
NOT religious excuses , but history as a reason to do what they do now ?