Scruffinator:
i cant imagine its any different now.

It's not. I(and many of my friends) would gladly pay twice what we do now if we knew exactly what we were getting beforehand. In the black market, it seems there is never one single dude who can always get similar quality stuff. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, and sometimes you question whether there was ever any THC in it to begin with. It's very annoying.

Dude, you need new dealers.

Mandapants: fuzzwell: If I could legally get some nice pot, I would smoke it.

It's been 20 years since I had any.

Same here. Waiting eagerly for legalization. Will buy ASAP.

Husband will be pissed -- he's a "Friend of Bill". Will have to see if the marriage survives. Apparently, I'm not allowed a choice.

/make the bulk of the income

Sorry to hear about that, sister.

iamrex: SharkTrager: The bigger issue will be if the legalization lowers prices enough that the profit margin for the dealers move on to something else.

Heh. I seriously doubt that street level pot dealers think about profit margins. It also seems unlikely that a grow house is going to go into business producing meth instead of growing because of profit margins.

The typical dealer is smart enough to figure out if they are making enough money to make it worthwhile. The same goes for growers. Bring corporate America in to the business and they will be able to produce massive volumes of pot and that is going to drive costs down unless there is also a dramatic increase in production.

When prohibition ended the profit margin dropped and the bootleggers went in to something else. The same thing will happen when pot is legalized.

SharkTrager: iamrex: SharkTrager: The bigger issue will be if the legalization lowers prices enough that the profit margin for the dealers move on to something else.

Heh. I seriously doubt that street level pot dealers think about profit margins. It also seems unlikely that a grow house is going to go into business producing meth instead of growing because of profit margins.

The typical dealer is smart enough to figure out if they are making enough money to make it worthwhile. The same goes for growers. Bring corporate America in to the business and they will be able to produce massive volumes of pot and that is going to drive costs down unless there is also a dramatic increase in production.

When prohibition ended the profit margin dropped and the bootleggers went in to something else. The same thing will happen when pot is legalized.

*consumption

/FTFM

BunkyBrewman: The bottom line is very, very simple:
Those who wish to smoke pot... do.

That's not necessarily true.

Got nothin'.

I have the necessary paperwork, but I have to travel about an hour to get to the shops, this would be great!

/can't feel the slashies anymore
//improved quality of life FTW

TripSixes: BunkyBrewman: The bottom line is very, very simple:
Those who wish to smoke pot... do.

That's not necessarily true.

Seconded. If you are advancing in a company that still administers drug tests for significant promotions, you don't smoke. I can only hope that the prohibition ends soon.

raunchy: TripSixes: BunkyBrewman: The bottom line is very, very simple:
Those who wish to smoke pot... do.

That's not necessarily true.

Seconded. If you are advancing in a company that still administers drug tests for significant promotions, you don't smoke. I can only hope that the prohibition ends soon.

I'm still amazed that we live in a nation where we demand janitors get invasive drug tests but you can be elected senator and never have to pee in a cup.

Weaver95: I'm still amazed that we live in a nation where we demand janitors get invasive drug tests but you can be elected senator and never have to pee in a cup

That's because they would never be able to live up to the standards they help enforce. The hysteria surrounding marijuana (on both sides of the debate) really needs to end. There is one undeniable truth in this situation. Weed is a whole lot safer than a large number of legally available pharmaceuticals (sp?), as well as alcohol. The fact that it remains illegal baffles me.

Now California has 0% crime due to the legalization of pot.

I think that we really are getting closer and closer to seeing pot legalized. Pot is a stimulant, and it is illegal. Alcohol is a depressant, and yet it is legal.

I don't get it.

LittleSmitty: Anyone willing to do the research (and assume the inherent risk of getting busted) can grow high quality weed.

Potency is 95% genetics and 5% environmental. Once you understand the environmental aspect, all you need is access to quality genetics.

It's a weed. It flourishes in an amazingly wide environmental spectrum.

Everything but the last part is false. Genetics are like half of it. Growing it correctly makes a huge difference. A fair amount of the bad pot that is sold is good weed grown poorly.

/I haven't smoked in forever - it's been since like Thursday. Ugh

there's no pseudoscience involved in loving to get high

Weed is a gateway to other, more serious addictions. Like cheddar cheese pretzel Combos... mmm... Gateway drug...

I deliver premium pot to people's doorsteps, and have since I harvested my first plants 1t 19.

It's fun too, all kinds of crazy shiat starts when your customers invite you in. The other day we we're taking beer bongs and getting stoned with the pizza guy, who was fu king ridiculous at Gears of War 2. We ended up in the backyard throwing each other around (my buddy trains Judo), farkin little pizza guy was strong.

Girls are addicted to my weed too, it's like a pussy coupon. I got a couple girls good like that, where all I gotta do is bring over some weed.

/Always on time
//Blow NYC delivery out of the water

SnakeLee: LittleSmitty: Anyone willing to do the research (and assume the inherent risk of getting busted) can grow high quality weed.

Potency is 95% genetics and 5% environmental. Once you understand the environmental aspect, all you need is access to quality genetics.

It's a weed. It flourishes in an amazingly wide environmental spectrum.

Everything but the last part is false. Genetics are like half of it. Growing it correctly makes a huge difference. A fair amount of the bad pot that is sold is good weed grown poorly.

/I haven't smoked in forever - it's been since like Thursday. Ugh

You must have missed the first sentence. You know, where I said "do the research"

If people are growing sub-par weed, it's laziness or greed. My money is on greed.

Again, if you are willing to do the research needed, and have access to decent genetics, anyone can grow high quality weed.

LittleSmitty: SnakeLee: LittleSmitty: Anyone willing to do the research (and assume the inherent risk of getting busted) can grow high quality weed.

Potency is 95% genetics and 5% environmental. Once you understand the environmental aspect, all you need is access to quality genetics.

It's a weed. It flourishes in an amazingly wide environmental spectrum.

Everything but the last part is false. Genetics are like half of it. Growing it correctly makes a huge difference. A fair amount of the bad pot that is sold is good weed grown poorly.

/I haven't smoked in forever - it's been since like Thursday. Ugh

You must have missed the first sentence. You know, where I said "do the research"

If people are growing sub-par weed, it's laziness or greed. My money is on greed.

Again, if you are willing to do the research needed, and have access to decent genetics, anyone can grow high quality weed.

Bolded what is killing whatever argument your are trying to make. If you only are putting 5% effort into your environment, then I can't see you coming close to reaching full yield potential.

/yes, your comment was only about potency
/still a very sill number

Also, growing good cannabis is way more than just 5% environmental.

Some strains will need hardly any attention to flourish, other strains are finicky and difficult to grow, most need real attention to produce tot heir fullest extent.

I had a couple Thai bushes that I was stoked to grow, Thai being my favorite variety. Turns out, the outdoor climate in southern California is nothing like the outdoor climate in Thailand, and my plants reflected it with the weak airy nugs in the end. And as a toker will know, Thai genetics are among the most revered anywhere. Turns out to grow Thai weed properly anywhere else in the world, you have to grow indoors and perfectly mimic the light cycle in SE Asia.

I've been playing Kush genetics with other NorCal powerhouses since I was a kid, and it is easy to produce subpar weed with excellent genetics if you aren't paying attention.

Genetics is a huge factor, and for most strains, so is environment. Waaay more than 5%.

Rainstar: LittleSmitty: SnakeLee: LittleSmitty: Anyone willing to do the research (and assume the inherent risk of getting busted) can grow high quality weed.

Potency is 95% genetics and 5% environmental. Once you understand the environmental aspect, all you need is access to quality genetics.

It's a weed. It flourishes in an amazingly wide environmental spectrum.

Everything but the last part is false. Genetics are like half of it. Growing it correctly makes a huge difference. A fair amount of the bad pot that is sold is good weed grown poorly.

/I haven't smoked in forever - it's been since like Thursday. Ugh

You must have missed the first sentence. You know, where I said "do the research"

If people are growing sub-par weed, it's laziness or greed. My money is on greed.

Again, if you are willing to do the research needed, and have access to decent genetics, anyone can grow high quality weed.

Bolded what is killing whatever argument your are trying to make. If you only are putting 5% effort into your environment, then I can't see you coming close to reaching full yield potential.

/yes, your comment was only about potency
/still a very sill number

Quality and quantity are two completely different things. Most folks who are concerned with quality aren't interested in quantity. If quantity is the issue, then someone is in it for the profit. Anyone that wants to grow quality can as long as you are willing to understand the environmental stuff. If you understand it, the effort is minimal.

How 'bout this? If you know what you are doing, it ain't hard to do well. A little education goes a long way.

I was going to challenge Ender's until I got to revitalized downtown Oakland

D_Evans45: I deliver premium pot to people's doorsteps, and have since I harvested my first plants 1t 19.

It's fun too, all kinds of crazy shiat starts when your customers invite you in. The other day we we're taking beer bongs and getting stoned with the pizza guy, who was fu king ridiculous at Gears of War 2. We ended up in the backyard throwing each other around (my buddy trains Judo), farkin little pizza guy was strong.

Girls are addicted to my weed too, it's like a pussy coupon. I got a couple girls good like that, where all I gotta do is bring over some weed.

/Always on time
//Blow NYC delivery out of the water

Clearly you must be stoned.

I don't know how I ever scored weed before I got the magic card... it's great, you go to the store and buy from a dude behind a counter instead of some schmuck on Hollywood Blvd. There was a good article in LA Weekly (pops) about how the LA City Council's gross incompetence caused this city to turn into New Amsterdam.

Are you sure it's a birthmark, man? Because sometimes that 'Nam grass will do weird things to your face, too.

D_Evans45: Also, growing good cannabis is way more than just 5% environmental.

Some strains will need hardly any attention to flourish, other strains are finicky and difficult to grow, most need real attention to produce tot heir fullest extent.

I had a couple Thai bushes that I was stoked to grow, Thai being my favorite variety. Turns out, the outdoor climate in southern California is nothing like the outdoor climate in Thailand, and my plants reflected it with the weak airy nugs in the end. And as a toker will know, Thai genetics are among the most revered anywhere. Turns out to grow Thai weed properly anywhere else in the world, you have to grow indoors and perfectly mimic the light cycle in SE Asia.

I've been playing Kush genetics with other NorCal powerhouses since I was a kid, and it is easy to produce subpar weed with excellent genetics if you aren't paying attention.

Genetics is a huge factor, and for most strains, so is environment. Waaay more than 5%.

I guess it took a f*cking rocket scientist to produce this. After all, a person of average intelligence can't possibly understand how to control the environment well enough to grow a weed.

Oh_Enough_Already - Clearly you must be stoned.


Why yes I am, but my statement stands regardless.

My weed is much better, I don't charge for delivery, and I am faster and always on time.

There are poor souls paying upwards of $70 an of Sour Diesel all day out there (Why do the NYC heads think Sour Diesel is so good anyway,o high duration whatsoever). I'll be supplying quarters and half ounces of Purple Kush for $100 and $180, they would go for $140 and $250 easily out there. Fu king weak.

After watching potheads try for years to simply avoid being arrested, I'm kinda thinking it's time they fought back. But, being stoned, how well could they possibly fight anything short of overexertion, right? YOU'VE WON AGAIN, GRAVITY.

/high, I'm good, are yew good tew?

LittleSmitty - I guess it took a f*cking rocket scientist to produce this. After all, a person of average intelligence can't possibly understand how to control the environment well enough to grow a weed.

Wow, way to put words in my mouth.

Environment plays way more of a role than 5%, end of story.

LittleSmitty: I guess it took a f*cking rocket scientist to produce this. After all, a person of average intelligence can't possibly understand how to control the environment well enough to grow a weed.

It honestly doesn't, but to make good stuff? Takes specific light and dark intervals, nutrients, and honestly it's quite genetic. You might get decent stuff from a crap parent, but you'll usually get wonderful stuff from a good plant. Anyway, it'll grow in pretty much any area; you're right that the name is apt. But smokers want fat, sticky buds covered in trichomes. That takes focus and a whore of a lightbill. As I understand it.

D_Evans45: LittleSmitty - I guess it took a f*cking rocket scientist to produce this. After all, a person of average intelligence can't possibly understand how to control the environment well enough to grow a weed.

Wow, way to put words in my mouth.

Environment plays way more of a role than 5%, end of story.

We are going to have to agree that we disagree on the % of effort involved. Maybe some folks have the knack, and some folks have to put in more effort. Stable temp, stable PH, proper nutrients. Not a lot of effort if you do the proper due diligence. Controlling the environment isn't hard, you just need to understand what environment is needed.

^Medical Marijuana Patient in L.A.; delivery services have been going on for quite some time now which started in New York City.

www.ajnag.com - website my roommate started here in Southern California
Check it out!

the legislators in CA who are talking legal pot are talking about a tax of $50 an ounce, which seems to be counterintuitive. This would just encourage the blackmarket. We need an economist to go up to Sacramento and teach supply/demand. legalize it. make the tax $5 to $10 and ounce. register the growers and then sit back and rake in the dough

LittleSmitty - We are going to have to agree that we disagree on the % of effort involved. Maybe some folks have the knack, and some folks have to put in more effort. Stable temp, stable PH, proper nutrients. Not a lot of effort if you do the proper due diligence. Controlling the environment isn't hard, you just need to understand what environment is needed.


Also true. If you got it, you got it, though there are plenty of strains that can throw curveballs to even the most greenthumb veterans.

I still say (respectfully) that 5% is an understatement. No it does not take a rocket scientist to grow good weed, however, not just any Average Joe can take most strains to full potential, even armed with awesome genetics.

Your lady in the pic is beautiful by the way, what strain is that?

darkvstar: the legislators in CA who are talking legal pot are talking about a tax of $50 an ounce, which seems to be counterintuitive. This would just encourage the blackmarket. We need an economist to go up to Sacramento and teach supply/demand. legalize it. make the tax $5 to $10 and ounce. register the growers and then sit back and rake in the dough

$50 an ounce tax, but the price per ounce is going to drop by at least that much since there's no danger of going to prison for growing or distributing it.
/Imagine $50 ounces with $50 taxes, still cheaper than it is now.

I love the fact that I grew up in SF. My mom took me to her "club" when I turned 18, before any prop 215 was even in the works. I have watched the evolution of cannabis culture, as it became a legitimate commercial enterprise.
Just the other day in my cannabis club of choice...

A call from Texas: "Yeah, I emailed my resume to your facility, and I'd like to speak to someone in the HR department in regards to any counter positions that are open.."
Pot Club "Um, I think you may have the wrong idea here....We don't have departments here. We have owners, and we have workers ( bud jockeys.) We have no CEO, CFO, Controller, or Customer Service Department We're not the Walmart of Weed."

There's only about twenty actual shops in San Francisco, as they no longer offer "permits" for any additional "clubs" However, there is a plethora of delivery services, as the regulation for delivery services is much more relaxed.

/Amsterdam was a bit of a let-down, having had that type of experience at home for the last 10 years..
/ N. Cal strains are either comparable or Better than many of the Dutch strains I've tried.

headfreckle - Amsterdam was a bit of a let-down, having had that type of experience at home for the last 10 years..
/ N. Cal strains are either comparable or Better than many of the Dutch strains I've tried.


My little brother came back from Amsterdam telling me the same thing, he couldn't wait to pack up some good old Humboldt grown Kush when he got home.

He also said some of the hash they offered at the coffee shops wasn't as potent as some of our buds. That just sucks.

/Is quite an awesome scene down here in CA

headfreckle: There's only about twenty actual shops in San Francisco, as they no longer offer "permits" for any additional "clubs" However, there is a plethora of delivery services, as the regulation for delivery services is much more relaxed.

Now here's a question for you. I have my paperwork from an LA doctor, could I use a dispensary in SF if I were up there visiting? In other words, would it be a big hassle to show my LA paperwork or is it all the same?

Roger Arseways: headfreckle: There's only about twenty actual shops in San Francisco, as they no longer offer "permits" for any additional "clubs" However, there is a plethora of delivery services, as the regulation for delivery services is much more relaxed.

Now here's a question for you. I have my paperwork from an LA doctor, could I use a dispensary in SF if I were up there visiting? In other words, would it be a big hassle to show my LA paperwork or is it all the same?

It will depend entirely on the dispensary. Some dispensaries accept ONLY cards that have a picture ID. They won't accept Dr's paperwork alone, as they don't consider themselves in the business of verifying prescriptions. Here in the city, you'd take your prescription (from whatever doctor) and register it with the State of California Department of Public Health (who verifies your script and provides an ID card!). That particular card is valid statewide, and is accepted at every dispensary I'm aware of. Medicann is another that is widely accepted. I know there are a few dispensaries that will accept prescriptions alone, but they are a dying breed.

The dispensaries that remain open, are often the ones with the most strict rules. Jeapardizing their permit is the last thing they want to do.

headfreckle: Medicann is another that is widely accepted. I know there are a few dispensaries that will accept prescriptions alone, but they are a dying breed.

The dispensaries that remain open, are often the ones with the most strict rules. Jeapardizing their permit is the last thing they want to do.

I don't want a photo ID. Verification is routine down here in LA, but most of the dispensaries aren't worried about losing their permits since there's basically no regulation in place to begin with. I have about a half dozen dispensaries within a mile radius of where I live which is nice for choice but I'd be surprised if half of them are left within 2 years. the farce is starting to be exposed here and I'm not sure what direction it'll take going forward.

good to know about how things go in SF though.

PapermonkeyExpress: OHHELLNO! Smoking pot to treat seasonal allergies????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Whatever.

Cue the Fark Pot BrigadeTM to chime in with their pseudoscience supporting the treatment.

I have horrible allergies. I wouldn't call them seasonal. They are just there all the time. If I have a particularly bad attack (and they can be incapacitating) I can take a single toke, not get high or anything, but within 10 minutes, my allergies are cleared up enough for me to actually do things.

Hopefully, in my lifetime.

Reasoned discourse doesn't reach people like that, jigger, your post fell on deaf ears.

We had some guy in a recent thread saying it was "physically impossible" to treat asthma with cannabis.

Add a +1 to the ignore list, it is quite a useful function.

I've been to Amsterdam, smoked the best Sensei had to offer and the midgrade from a couple of different houses, and I can say concretely that midgrade is midgrade is midgrade. Since I haven't smoked the "Why do they call them fingers when they never fing?" from So-Cal, I can't really compare, but there's nothing like the sparklingly clear high from a good premium strain. There's no durr-mush-head stoner 'tard (until the day after, but I digress) and they have different flavors grown into the green.

Once it's legalized, within a decade we won't recognize the plant as we know it today.

D_Evans45: LittleSmitty - We are going to have to agree that we disagree on the % of effort involved. Maybe some folks have the knack, and some folks have to put in more effort. Stable temp, stable PH, proper nutrients. Not a lot of effort if you do the proper due diligence. Controlling the environment isn't hard, you just need to understand what environment is needed.


Also true. If you got it, you got it, though there are plenty of strains that can throw curveballs to even the most greenthumb veterans.

I still say (respectfully) that 5% is an understatement. No it does not take a rocket scientist to grow good weed, however, not just any Average Joe can take most strains to full potential, even armed with awesome genetics.

Your lady in the pic is beautiful by the way, what strain is that?

Hey man, we are on the same team ;)

I'll even give you that 5% is probably an understatement. I guess it depends on ones definition of effort. I find it astonishingly simple.

That little gem was Hashplant x C99. The mom was Hashplant (Seedsman) and the dad was an F2 C99 from original Grimm Bros. stock. She yielded up 7 dry oz. It was like getting whacked with a hammer. More than one person had to go take a nap after a sample. A real 2 hitter quitter.

i'm getting a kick out of these replies, cuz I go down the street for my dealer. And alaska strains kick ass.

/Not a fan of AK47, but god bless MTF

LittleSmitty - That little gem was Hashplant x C99. The mom was Hashplant (Seedsman) and the dad was an F2 C99 from original Grimm Bros. stock. She yielded up 7 dry oz. It was like getting whacked with a hammer. More than one person had to go take a nap after a sample. A real 2 hitter quitter.

Beautiful. Hashplant is a favorite, and original Bros Grimm stock must've been eceptional, bet that strain was nice.

Are you down to exchange some genetics maybe? I've got my hands on some good shiat, looks like you're bringing good gear too. I have access to plenty of killer strains and "clone onlys" that are pretty exclusive, wouldn't mind seeing what another Fark grower is bringing. I even have hybrids I made myself.

E-mail is my fark screen name @ hotmail.com, put something about "Fark" in the subject if you're interested..

Dr_Gats

Had any Yukon Gold? Alaskan strain as well, stonier, stronger aroma, better taste, better overall then the Matanuska IMO. Although the Matanuska is definitely no slouch, I've had a lot of proper MTF in my day.

D_Evans45: LittleSmitty - That little gem was Hashplant x C99. The mom was Hashplant (Seedsman) and the dad was an F2 C99 from original Grimm Bros. stock. She yielded up 7 dry oz. It was like getting whacked with a hammer. More than one person had to go take a nap after a sample. A real 2 hitter quitter.

Beautiful. Hashplant is a favorite, and original Bros Grimm stock must've been eceptional, bet that strain was nice.

Are you down to exchange some genetics maybe? I've got my hands on some good shiat, looks like you're bringing good gear too. I have access to plenty of killer strains and "clone onlys" that are pretty exclusive, wouldn't mind seeing what another Fark grower is bringing. I even have hybrids I made myself.

E-mail is my fark screen name @ hotmail.com, put something about "Fark" in the subject if you're interested..

Let me rummage through my collection and see what I've got that may be of interest. I'll hit you back soon

D_Evans45: Dr_Gats

Had any Yukon Gold? Alaskan strain as well, stonier, stronger aroma, better taste, better overall then the Matanuska IMO. Although the Matanuska is definitely no slouch, I've had a lot of proper MTF in my day.

yes, yukon gold is...well....gold. :S

Mandapants: fuzzwell: If I could legally get some nice pot, I would smoke it.

It's been 20 years since I had any.

Same here. Waiting eagerly for legalization. Will buy ASAP.

Husband will be pissed -- he's a "Friend of Bill". Will have to see if the marriage survives. Apparently, I'm not allowed a choice.

/make the bulk of the income

How YOU doin