BlaqueKatt:
Riffington did you even read the article I linked?

It doesn't matter if it was invented by a doctor, a mathematician, or a drunken Templar. What matters is that it has since been validated by repeated studies, and is considered one of the best estimates of overweight/obesity by physicians and medical researchers (see AHA guidelines). Invent a better measure and we'll switch.

<b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4519332&IDComment=52874968#c528 74968">Riffington</a>:</b> <i>BlaqueKatt:
Riffington did you even read the article I linked?

It doesn't matter if it was invented by a doctor, a mathematician, or a drunken Templar. What matters is that it has since been validated by repeated studies, .</i>

..which were in no way affected by a confirmation bias, I'm sure. Let's take 100 fat people, assign them a fat guy number and measure quantitatively whether or not they're fat. This is the same scale that calls Michael Jordan "obese".

BlaqueKatt: valencia:
Well you're fatter than me if that counts for anything.

at 5'5" and 125 pounds really? (I have a 28 inch waist=size 4)



5 feet, 106 pounds, 26 inch waist = size 1 so yes. Yes really.

valencia: BlaqueKatt: valencia:
Well you're fatter than me if that counts for anything.

at 5'5" and 125 pounds really? (I have a 28 inch waist=size 4)



5 feet, 106 pounds, 26 inch waist = size 1 so yes. Yes really.

You sound like a biatch.

valencia:
5 feet, 106 pounds, 26 inch waist = size 1 so yes. Yes really.

you're also shorter-so apples/oranges-I was a size zero until I joined the army

flakeloaf-"..which were in no way affected by a confirmation bias, I'm sure. Let's take 100 fat people, assign them a fat guy number and measure quantitatively whether or not they're fat."


you are correct

The CDC says on its Web site that "the BMI is a reliable indicator of body fatness for people." This is a fundamental error of logic. For example, if I tell you my birthday present is a bicycle, you can conclude that my present has wheels. That's correct logic. But it does not work the other way round. If I tell you my birthday present has wheels, you cannot conclude I got a bicycle. I could have received a car. Because of how Quetelet came up with it, if a person is fat or obese, he or she will have a high BMI. But as with my birthday present, it doesn't work the other way round. A high BMI does not mean an individual is even overweight, let alone obese. It could mean the person is fit and healthy, with very little fat.

I like how this thread has degenerated into a "I'm skinnier than you so therefore I am right and everyone must give a raging shiat" argument.

Riffington: What matters is that it has since been validated by repeated studies, and is considered one of the best estimates of overweight/obesity by physicians and medical researchers (see AHA guidelines). Invent a better measure and we'll switch.

of what "studies" do you speak?

and there are better methods-body fat calipers, waist circumferance-when I had just gotten out of the army I weighed 160 pounds-the BMI classified me as "Obese", my body fat percentage was actually dangerously low(under 10%), I was no longer menstruating. I was the same size I am now, but due to my high and therefore dangerous weight problem-I had to pay higher insurance premiums even though I was in great shape.

Miss Smartass:
Well, you certainly aren't fat, but you might want to consider putting on clothing that actually covers you.

by the way who died and made you the morality police-I'll wear what I'm comfortable in-FYI-my closet looks like a hot topic exploded, and I have purple hair. What I wear does not affect you in any manner, just as what you wear does not affect me-so let's just agree to not say anything about each other's wardrobes m'kay?

That's it, all catty women get naked and into the jello pool. We'll settle this the old fashioned way.

BlaqueKatt: by the way who died and made you the morality police-I'll wear what I'm comfortable in-FYI-my closet looks like a hot topic exploded, and I have purple hair. What I wear does not affect you in any manner, just as what you wear does not affect me-so let's just agree to not say anything about each other's wardrobes m'kay?

Oh, wow. Hot Topic? What are you, 15?
Also, I don't think you'd rage if you weren't dressing like that for attention ;]

According to BMI, I am off the charts at 5'11 and 293 lbs. I have a bit of a spare tire but am far from fat. I wear 2XL-3XL tshirts but my pants are 38's. I do not know my exact body fat percentage but I am sure it is lower than your average Farker. Also spent entire Army career on the fat boy program even though my percentage back then was always about 8%.

BlaqueKatt: and there are better methods-body fat calipers, waist circumferance-when I had just gotten out of the army I weighed 160 pounds-the BMI classified me as "Obese", my body fat percentage was actually dangerously low(under 10%), I was no longer menstruating. I was the same size I am now, but due to my high and therefore dangerous weight problem-I had to pay higher insurance premiums even though I was in great shape.

Because having a dangerously low amount of body fat means you are in "great shape."

Damn, thats on the low end of patients I've been hauling. We actually have ramps and a winch on one of our ambulances. FFS

Snakeophelia: /now if we could just get everyone to wear clothes that FIT, no matter the size
//lost cause, I'm sure

omg, THIS!!!! I hate when people wear clothes that are too big, too small, a style that's not shaped right for their body type, or just overall unflattering. This is a HUGE pet peeve of mine. Of course the other issue is that certain body types are harder to fit than others, but if you look hard enough, you can find well fitting clothes somewhere!

BlaqueKatt: of what "studies" do you speak?
BMI correlates well with cardiovascular risk, development of diabetes, and other "obesity-related" diseases.

Bardia, A, Holtan, SG, Slezak, JM, Thompson, WG. Diagnosis of obesity by primary care physicians and impact on obesity management. Mayo Clin Proc 2007; 82:927.
Clinical Guidelines on the Identification, Evaluation, and Treatment of Overweight and Obesity in Adults--The Evidence Report. National Institutes of Health. Obes Res 1998; 6 Suppl 2:51S.
Janssen, I, Katzmarzyk, PT, Ross, R. Body mass index, waist circumference, and health risk: evidence in support of current national institutes of health guidelines. Arch Intern Med 2002; 162:2074.


and there are better methods-body fat calipers, waist circumferance

BMI correlates to cardiovascular risk about as well as waist circumference, and better than body fat calipers. There are superior methods such as MRI and Dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry; these are significantly more expensive.

(see Lohman, TG, Roche, AF, Martorell, R. Anthropometric standardization reference manual. Human Kinetics Books, Champaign, Ill 1988. )