Why DOES the god churn out such horny ten-year old's anyways?

My wife insisted our daughter go on birth control at (to me) was a very young age. When I asked why our "little girl" needed birth control, she gently pulled me aside and reminded me that our first time was at her age. Doh!

Considering that the number of teens getting pregnant has been rising, telling teens to use condoms does not work.

Musto: My wife insisted our daughter go on birth control at (to me) was a very young age. When I asked why our "little girl" needed birth control, she gently pulled me aside and reminded me that our first time was at her age. Doh!

How old is your daughter?

bhcompy: Ordering teens not to do isn't the problem. Not fully educating them is. I'm going to tell my son the same thing when he's of age. Something like, "Don't stick yourself anywhere until you're old enough to handle the consequences. If you do, protect yourself, but I'll kick your ass out when you hit 18."

I talk to my teenaged son about this pretty often. Basically, "I really would prefer you wait until you are an adult because there is the risk of disease, pregnancy or heavy emotional attachment, but if you find it impossible to wait that long PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE WEAR A CONDOM EVERY TIME!" I also told him that he's responsible for his part in it and don't trust a girl if she says, "I'm on the pill," because the pill doesn't keep you from getting herpes or the clap. Better safe than sorry.

Oh noes, the magic sky ghost will gets teh angery!

Puh-lease. Some of us aren't five anymore.

Miss Smartass: Musto: My wife insisted our daughter go on birth control at (to me) was a very young age. When I asked why our "little girl" needed birth control, she gently pulled me aside and reminded me that our first time was at her age. Doh!

How old is your daughter?

She was thirteen going on fourteen at the time. She is in college now.

My wife and I were like rabbits the summer before high school.

Damn, now I feel old.

Musto: My wife and I were like rabbits the summer before high school.

Good to know?
/shudder

ScottHimself: Abstinence works.

Failure to abide by the simplest rule possible is not an excuse to scrap the only decent sex ed. these kids get.

Virgin troll is a virgin

I am way out of touch, but I think it is safe to assume this "abstinence only 'education'" does not mention masturbation. To the proponents of said 'education' (if any,) and trolls, I ask "why is this not an option?" The rest of you can keep wanking.

ScottHimself: None of you get it.

/the abstinence thing
//what else would I mean?

Your kids are going to have sex. 90% chance or greater. All you're doing is making them feel ashamed about it, I wager. Birth control works. Condoms work. I hope to (insert your higher being) someone tells your kids about them if you don't.

/reality
//visit it sometimes

Musto: Miss Smartass: Musto: My wife insisted our daughter go on birth control at (to me) was a very young age. When I asked why our "little girl" needed birth control, she gently pulled me aside and reminded me that our first time was at her age. Doh!

How old is your daughter?

She was thirteen going on fourteen at the time. She is in college now.

My wife and I were like rabbits the summer before high school.

Damn, now I feel old.

Your daughter doesn't need condoms. She needs Chris Hansen's phone number.

Kumana Wanalaia: Oh noes, the magic sky ghost will gets teh angery!

Puh-lease. Some of us aren't five anymore.

Funny...

1) has to insult someone else's beliefs, check
2) has to make "funny" spelling mistakes, check

hmmm... yup, you're still five. if not in body, at least in maturity, possibly IQ and/or intelligence too.

aselene:
If they had made better CHOICES they wouldn't get pregnant.

Personal responsibility: it's what's for dinner.

Or, if they had been informed and given accurate information they wouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place. If they had been given facts instead of preaching they may have made better choices. Keeping these kids in the dark did nothing but doom them to a life of early parenthood and lost dreams.

Chariset: Don't have it standing up, either. That isn't as much fun as you'd think

Lies!

paloma: ah, abstinence ed. my school had a pretty fantastic health teacher...one day, he came in with a rose. he asked us who wanted it, and pretty much every girl in class raised their hands. then he started to tell a story about "jane."
she had a high school boyfriend, and after 2 years, because they were very much in love, she had sex with him. (the teacher plucks a few petals off the rose at this point) then she had a college boyfriend who she slept with (the teacher plucked a few more petals off) and then there was a one night stand (more petals off) and so on. after two or three more guys, there were no more petals left on the rose. "now who wants this?" my teacher asked, and no one raised their hand. of course, the message was to save yourself for marriage.

...it was a traumatic way to tell us, that's all i'm saying.

I hope you didn't fall for this load of FAIL, cause that was so wrong in so many ways.

Just must say, it continuously saddens me that there are still those who are so certain of their baser instincts power over them, due to their own inability to overcome them, that they immediately say it cannot be done, no one has done it, and no one will. In effect, they make the argument that we are just human, and therefor can never be more than animals.

Lets think about this logically: if this is so, no crime can be punished, as we must just admit the ones who committed the crime did so as a biological imperative, they had no choice. Obviously, their base biology overcame them, and they did what "millions of years of evolution made them do." This is especially true of rape, as, after all, all those years were simply for the purpose of creating a self-perpetuating species, and we need to pass on our genes, right?

This is total and utter bull $&!#, only spewed out because there are those people who wish to not be held accountable for their own actions and total lack of self control. All this does is show that we as a society are devolving into our worst parts, not actually going forward.

As long as we are able to provide excuses for our actions, and find ways to displace blame or to escape personal responsibility, we will not be able to grow into functional adults, merely old children who will perpetuate our childishness in the next generation.

Hormones are NO EXCUSE for bad behavior. Grow up, be men and women, not puerile deviants.

Captain Ahab and the white whale: Just must say, it continuously saddens me that there are still those who are so certain of their baser instincts power over them, due to their own inability to overcome them, that they immediately say it cannot be done, no one has done it, and no one will. In effect, they make the argument that we are just human, and therefor can never be more than animals.

Lets think about this logically: if this is so, no crime can be punished, as we must just admit the ones who committed the crime did so as a biological imperative, they had no choice. Obviously, their base biology overcame them, and they did what "millions of years of evolution made them do." This is especially true of rape, as, after all, all those years were simply for the purpose of creating a self-perpetuating species, and we need to pass on our genes, right?

This is total and utter bull $&!#, only spewed out because there are those people who wish to not be held accountable for their own actions and total lack of self control. All this does is show that we as a society are devolving into our worst parts, not actually going forward.

As long as we are able to provide excuses for our actions, and find ways to displace blame or to escape personal responsibility, we will not be able to grow into functional adults, merely old children who will perpetuate our childishness in the next generation.

Hormones are NO EXCUSE for bad behavior. Grow up, be men and women, not puerile deviants.

Fail. 0/10

Captain Ahab and the white whale: Hormones are NO EXCUSE for bad behavior.

Yes they are. They (hormones) result in survival of the species.

Failure to understand humans basic need for sex is the #1 reason church dorks will forever sound like retards.

How do you think we all got here, ya fairy tale believin asshats?

Barbecue Bob: Failure to understand humans basic need for sex is the #1 reason church dorks will forever sound like retards.

How do you think we all got here, ya fairy tale believin asshats?

Storks.

imfallen_angel: Kumana Wanalaia: Oh noes, the magic sky ghost will gets teh angery!

Puh-lease. Some of us aren't five anymore.

Funny...

1) has to insult someone else's beliefs, check
2) has to make "funny" spelling mistakes, check

hmmm... yup, you're still five. if not in body, at least in maturity, possibly IQ and/or intelligence too.

I'm sure that as a mature person you're not implying that it is wrong to insult someone's belief system and yet right for that belief system and its rules to be imposed on someone?

Parenthood is a form of mental illness.

imfallen_angel: mmm... yup, you're still five. if not in body, at least in maturity, possibly IQ and/or intelligence too.

What shall we say about adults who do what their imaginary friends tell them to do?

/juuus' askin'

There are so many things wrong with abstinence only education ...

First is the fact that many programs teach you SQUAT about sex/your body. Some neglect to tell women that they can have orgasms. Some tell women that semen can travel up their leg. Some tell people that sperm can divide and reproduce like it's an E. coli culture. The real fun is when you are in college, and you watch all these good little boys and girls who didn't have sex in high school, and listen to the stupid shiat that comes out of their mouths when they start having sex.

Her: "Why does it hurt when I have sex?"
Me: "You need to get wet first"
Her: "What? That's gross!"
OR

Him: "The AIDS virus can slip through the holes in latex condoms"
Me: "I would like to see a citation on that"
Him: "I heard it somewhere"

My sex ed/abstinence telethon I sat through in high school explained NONE of the biology to us. The closest thing we got was the pictures of diseased body parts. We had the abstinence coach come in and explain to us that condoms are only 83% effective, that certain STIs cannot be prevented by wearing a condom, blah blah. It is funny though because they didn't explain to us anything except failure rates and the fact that who you had sex with your first time was going to be "imprinted" on your mind. Things that will be revealed as bullshiat once you start having sex.

Then there is the sexual repression: can't let you masturbate, can't let you have oral sex, no dry humping etc. The whole point here is the abstinence crowd will lie, distort the truth or completely ignore these options by saying they can get you pregnant, give you a disease, act as a "gateway activity", or my favorite (what they say masturbation will do to you) make you emotionally unable to interact with your future spouse or some crap.

In short, I have no beef with abstinence being part of the sex ed curriculum, hell planned parenthood teaches it as an option (new window). My problem simply is that when you have to lie, distort the truth or leave out information, like what normal sexual functions are, or even how sex and conception work, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. I think one of the saddest days of my life is when I realized that my medical school had to spend three weeks, THREE WEEKS teaching us the biology of the sexual act, the diversity of people's sexual experiences etc. Worse than that is how many people were getting the info for the first time. Any program that teaches that much ignorance is doing it wrong, and I cannot agree with it.

lstywnch: bhcompy: Ordering teens not to do isn't the problem. Not fully educating them is. I'm going to tell my son the same thing when he's of age. Something like, "Don't stick yourself anywhere until you're old enough to handle the consequences. If you do, protect yourself, but I'll kick your ass out when you hit 18."

I talk to my teenaged son about this pretty often. Basically, "I really would prefer you wait until you are an adult because there is the risk of disease, pregnancy or heavy emotional attachment, but if you find it impossible to wait that long PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE WEAR A CONDOM EVERY TIME!" I also told him that he's responsible for his part in it and don't trust a girl if she says, "I'm on the pill," because the pill doesn't keep you from getting herpes or the clap. Better safe than sorry.

This. Since I was a "player," naturally I was blessed with nothing but daughters. I'll flat out tell them hey, don't get diseases and don't get pregnant. Guys will lie about everything, they will lie that they are clean if they are ganked up with some crotch rot, they will lie about pulling out, and they will make stuff up like you can't get pregnant the first time, or doing it outside, or whatever. Don't believe a word of it. You're going to want to have sex, so enjoy it, but you're going on the pill, force them to wear a rubber or it's go-home, and they need to be pulling out even with it wrapped. And if they're a guy who is known at school to have done it before, it's best to stay away. The smart guys are the ones who do it without word getting around, and in case of epic fail, you want to be stuck with a smart guy who could actually complete college.

paloma: ah, abstinence ed. my school had a pretty fantastic health teacher...one day, he came in with a rose. he asked us who wanted it, and pretty much every girl in class raised their hands. then he started to tell a story about "jane."
she had a high school boyfriend, and after 2 years, because they were very much in love, she had sex with him. (the teacher plucks a few petals off the rose at this point) then she had a college boyfriend who she slept with (the teacher plucked a few more petals off) and then there was a one night stand (more petals off) and so on. after two or three more guys, there were no more petals left on the rose. "now who wants this?" my teacher asked, and no one raised their hand. of course, the message was to save yourself for marriage.

...it was a traumatic way to tell us, that's all i'm saying.

= Clearly, your teacher was Mormon. Their 'religious authorities' use that analogy endlessly.

Commissar_Murphy: the abstinence crowd will lie, distort the truth

wow.... its almost like they were lied to, got distorted truth, then had "faith" and wish to infect other people with the distortions

... its ok to lie, for God !! (Jesus was totally into moral relativism, and moses was down with false witnesses)

paloma: "now who wants this?" my teacher

oooo ooo I do I do !!!

// hates those stinky petals, I prefer my rose ready to go :-)

Options and education always beat fear and ignorance. Yes, abstinence is an option but not the only one. When you are a 17 year old boy with a raging hard on and a willing girl, it's best to have a condom around, not a pamphlet.

Horny little buggers.

Stop. Stop! I said STOP!

A thread on teenage sex and not one Quagmire giggity pic posted?

/Slacking these Farkers are...

Gyrfalcon: onebadgungan: Gyrfalcon: Baryogenesis: Chariset: Don't have it standing up, either. That isn't as much fun as you'd think

You're doing it wrong

/watch out for extreme height differences

That's what milk crates are for.

Why? I can still reach my own dick.

/Oh, were you talking about having someone else there?

Well, if you want to play solo flute, that's on you, babe. But you'll grow hair on your palms.

I'm married with a kid - is there any other flute to play?

RemyDuron: grimeystubs: Big surprise. A bunch of democrats are elected and reports start coming out that the kids have become sluts.

IIRC, during the 8 years Clinton the teenage pregnancy rate dropped consistently. During he Bush years it went up.

During Republican rule, teen pregnancy and abortions go up. During the Dems, both go down.

/irony? Is that it?

Hint: Those who preach abstinence don't give a rats ass about STDs or teen pregnancy.

Ok, I've posted this before, but it's still relevant.

Abstinance-only education is a stupid idea, even if your religion says that you should save sex for marriage. Why? Because kids eventually grow up and get married, and having some information about those kinds of things can be useful in that situation.

Why the hell doesn't anyone ever address that?

cuzsis:
Yes, having children during your prime reproductive years is such a bad thing. Your body handles it so much better and so does your mind (being able to function on almost no sleep at that age anyway.) How terrible!

Or do you mean that it's terrible that our economy is completely FUBAR'd and ADULTS can't get jobs to support themselves or families? (Noticed that all your examples were over 18...)

/mother at 21
//no problems except a shiatty economy, and that doesn't disappear just because you're 35.
///not meaning to mock you at all, if you don't want to have children that early that's totally fine, it's a personal choice after all. But I would argue there's nothing inherently wrong about wanting to have kids at that particular age.

I mean that I want my son to experience life you absolutely can't as a parent. I want him to complete his Bachelors or Masters without the specter of parenthood over his head. I want him to travel the world if he feels like it. I want him to have a decent job before he has a child. It has nothing to do with the economy or the body or anything, and personally, I would have rather had my child after 25 and before 30. You're young enough to experience things with your kid that you wouldn't if you're 35 and you're old enough to have completed school without issue and do things with your life that you couldn't with a family.

bahr: This. Since I was a "player," naturally I was blessed with nothing but daughters. I'll flat out tell them hey, don't get diseases and don't get pregnant. Guys will lie about everything, they will lie that they are clean if they are ganked up with some crotch rot, they will lie about pulling out, and they will make stuff up like you can't get pregnant the first time, or doing it outside, or whatever. Don't believe a word of it. You're going to want to have sex, so enjoy it, but you're going on the pill, force them to wear a rubber or it's go-home, and they need to be pulling out even with it wrapped. And if they're a guy who is known at school to have done it before, it's best to stay away. The smart guys are the ones who do it without word getting around, and in case of epic fail, you want to be stuck with a smart guy who could actually complete college.

Heh, I also made sure to tell him the ones bragging about it are probably the ones that are scared shiatless to touch a boobie. He said he'd figured that out already.

bhcompy: cuzsis:
Yes, having children during your prime reproductive years is such a bad thing. Your body handles it so much better and so does your mind (being able to function on almost no sleep at that age anyway.) How terrible!

Or do you mean that it's terrible that our economy is completely FUBAR'd and ADULTS can't get jobs to support themselves or families? (Noticed that all your examples were over 18...)

/mother at 21
//no problems except a shiatty economy, and that doesn't disappear just because you're 35.
///not meaning to mock you at all, if you don't want to have children that early that's totally fine, it's a personal choice after all. But I would argue there's nothing inherently wrong about wanting to have kids at that particular age.

I mean that I want my son to experience life you absolutely can't as a parent. I want him to complete his Bachelors or Masters without the specter of parenthood over his head. I want him to travel the world if he feels like it. I want him to have a decent job before he has a child. It has nothing to do with the economy or the body or anything, and personally, I would have rather had my child after 25 and before 30. You're young enough to experience things with your kid that you wouldn't if you're 35 and you're old enough to have completed school without issue and do things with your life that you couldn't with a family.

I don't feel like I missed out on a whole lot. I had my oldest when I was 17, another one at 20, then the last one at 23. I have an awesome career and I'm doing better than my parents were with two kids in their thirties. Granted it was more difficult to get the degree and work full time, but having children young didn't preclude it.

It's also why I don't take my mother's stance of "DON'T DO EET!!" The Mr.'s mom took the "Just make sure you are safe" stance and he held off until he was quite a bit older. Sure made it clear to me who's approach was the better one.

FunkOut: Maybe the teacher was trying to say if you're a girl and sleep around, the guys will think you're good enough for a fun time but not good enough to be the nice girl they will want to marry to impress the folks and breed some offspring with. The "disposable sluts" versus the "fresh unused good wife material" situation.

Well yeah, that is exactly what he was saying. But I think there is a problem with attaching someone's worth as a person and a mate to how much sex they've had. I don't give a damn if my wife is "fresh and unused", neither should anyone else, and we shouldn't be teaching people to care about it in the first place.


Captain Ahab and the white whale: Lets think about this logically: if this is so, no crime can be punished, as we must just admit the ones who committed the crime did so as a biological imperative, they had no choice. Obviously, their base biology overcame them, and they did what "millions of years of evolution made them do." This is especially true of rape, as, after all, all those years were simply for the purpose of creating a self-perpetuating species, and we need to pass on our genes, right?

I'm not convinced you aren't just a troll, but if you aren't this is one of the stupidest arguments I've heard in a while.

Punishment still has a purpose even if we were to say that people had NO control over their actions (which isn't what we're saying anyway). What we're saying is that it is just a fact that less than 100% of people will make the most rational decisions about things that are emotional in nature. This seems like a conclusion so obvious that it requires no argument. Note that I didn't say NO ONE, just NOT EVERYONE.

Your arguments about crime and punishment assume that we only use punishments to reprimand people for making poor decisions, but this is wrong. Even I were making the argument that people had no control over their own actions, prison would still be useful for separating the undesirables from the rest of the populace, or for attempting to change the way that people behaved (as a shrink does); it would not simply be a punishment, but a correctional facility: imagine that! Nothing would change except the reasons for sentencing people, and they would be better reasons at that.

The utter wrongness of your argument stems from the fact that you believe our entire justice system is for meting out revenge on people, and revenge is one of the most worthless functions that any government could ever undertake.

Shame actually does work, though there will always be a few.

Too bad it's not possible to practice it anymore.

lstywnch: I don't feel like I missed out on a whole lot. I had my oldest when I was 17, another one at 20, then the last one at 23. I have an awesome career and I'm doing better than my parents were with two kids in their thirties.

Glad you're having a good time of it.
I wouldn't want to have kids young, though, even if I could still get a job and a degree, because those aren't the only things I want to do with myself. Traveling to far-flung places for long periods of time is a little hard when you've got kids, for instance. I'm gonna stretch out my freedom and irresponsibility for a bit before I think of making mini-me's ;)

I'm gonna tell my daughter that birth control pills are bad for her health. I want some grandchildren before I'm too old to pick them up.

SpwimmingInNY: Shame actually does work, though there will always be a few.

Shaming children into behaviors comes with a whole 'nother set of psychological problems.
A poor method, IMO; there are other things to consider besides whether it accomplishes your goal.

Impudent Domain: I'm gonna tell my daughter that birth control pills are bad for her health. I want some grandchildren before I'm too old to pick them up.

O_o

Aboleth: paloma: ah, abstinence ed. my school had a pretty fantastic health teacher...one day, he came in with a rose. he asked us who wanted it, and pretty much every girl in class raised their hands. then he started to tell a story about "jane."
she had a high school boyfriend, and after 2 years, because they were very much in love, she had sex with him. (the teacher plucks a few petals off the rose at this point) then she had a college boyfriend who she slept with (the teacher plucked a few more petals off) and then there was a one night stand (more petals off) and so on. after two or three more guys, there were no more petals left on the rose. "now who wants this?" my teacher asked, and no one raised their hand. of course, the message was to save yourself for marriage.

...it was a traumatic way to tell us, that's all i'm saying.

I don't know about the rose, but I'm pretty sure Jane's happy with the orgasms and all.

paloma: I think that's a story to get through to some high school kids. Throw in a couple pictures of some STDs and I think it could work.


Aboleth: I'm also sure Jane could have had just as good orgasms provided with a few toys. That way she could be happy without having to spread her juices all over the place. :D

Keep bending those statistics, subby. Ever think it might have something to do with the ever-decreasing abortion rate?

Kids are having the same amount of sex or less, and not as many abortions. I call that a win.

Day_Old_Dutchie: My prudish Mother and Father in-law's actual response on this matter.
It's in th' BAHHH-BULLL! Right there!

I LOL'ed at this, because I have relatives that talk the same way.
They're from the south, and they're why I live in California. If I could afford Hawaii I'd be there instead.
/BAHHH-BULLL!

Gawdzila: lstywnch: I don't feel like I missed out on a whole lot. I had my oldest when I was 17, another one at 20, then the last one at 23. I have an awesome career and I'm doing better than my parents were with two kids in their thirties.

Glad you're having a good time of it.
I wouldn't want to have kids young, though, even if I could still get a job and a degree, because those aren't the only things I want to do with myself. Traveling to far-flung places for long periods of time is a little hard when you've got kids, for instance. I'm gonna stretch out my freedom and irresponsibility for a bit before I think of making mini-me's ;)

This is essentially what I want my son to have, not to mention that most people don't have the support structure(be it a family with time on their hands to babysit, a rich spouse, whatever) to be a parent to a very young child and goto school/work fulltime.