paloma: ah, abstinence ed. my school had a pretty fantastic health teacher...one day, he came in with a rose. he asked us who wanted it, and pretty much every girl in class raised their hands. then he started to tell a story about "jane."
she had a high school boyfriend, and after 2 years, because they were very much in love, she had sex with him. (the teacher plucks a few petals off the rose at this point) then she had a college boyfriend who she slept with (the teacher plucked a few more petals off) and then there was a one night stand (more petals off) and so on. after two or three more guys, there were no more petals left on the rose. "now who wants this?" my teacher asked, and no one raised their hand. of course, the message was to save yourself for marriage.

...it was a traumatic way to tell us, that's all i'm saying.

I don't know about the rose, but I'm pretty sure Jane's happy with the orgasms and all.

I don't think this has anything to do with education one way or the other...especially since there's ages up to 24 in the mix here.

It's economics. These are the first people who lose their jobs any time the economy goes south. Now they have more free time on their hands.

And this...

About one-third of adolescents hadn't received instruction on methods of birth control before age 18.

...is a polite way of saying they immigrated from a country where sex education (even abstinence-only) isn't in the curriculum at all, or is still very new and widely opposed. Take India, for example.

Gawdzila:
paloma: ah, abstinence ed. my school had a pretty fantastic health teacher...

THAT is a fantastic health teacher????
Someone who tells you that having sex will spoil you and turn you into a worthless, ruined thing that nobody wants?
I hope you were being sarcastic...

very sarcastic. though i was only semi-joking when i said it was traumatic. we were only 15-16 year old snowflakes after all, and the message of the story seemed to be, "if you have sex your vagina will fall off."

Gulper Eel:

And this...

About one-third of adolescents hadn't received instruction on methods of birth control before age 18.

...is a polite way of saying they immigrated from a country where sex education (even abstinence-only) isn't in the curriculum at all, or is still very new and widely opposed. Take India, for example.


Aw hell, why go that far when Mexico is right across the border?

paloma: ah, abstinence ed. my school had a pretty fantastic health teacher...one day, he came in with a rose. he asked us who wanted it, and pretty much every girl in class raised their hands. then he started to tell a story about "jane."
she had a high school boyfriend, and after 2 years, because they were very much in love, she had sex with him. (the teacher plucks a few petals off the rose at this point) then she had a college boyfriend who she slept with (the teacher plucked a few more petals off) and then there was a one night stand (more petals off) and so on. after two or three more guys, there were no more petals left on the rose. "now who wants this?" my teacher asked, and no one raised their hand. of course, the message was to save yourself for marriage.

...it was a traumatic way to tell us, that's all i'm saying.

This was a college class? WTF?
I don't think 'teacher' is the correct word. Are making this shiat up? Email forwarded to you from grand-ma?

Gulper Eel: About one-third of adolescents hadn't received instruction on methods of birth control before age 18.

...is a polite way of saying they immigrated from a country where sex education (even abstinence-only) isn't in the curriculum at all, or is still very new and widely opposed. Take India, for example.

so you're saying an entire third of your country's youth are new immigrants from such countries?

paloma:

very sarcastic. though i was only semi-joking when i said it was traumatic. we were only 15-16 year old snowflakes after all, and the message of the story seemed to be, "if you have sex your vagina will fall off."



How YOU doin?...

So 1/3 of American youth under the age of 18 were born in other countries?


...WUT?!

actually, it was high school, in the states, about five years ago.

paloma: actually, it was high school, in the states, about five years ago.

I was referring to 'Jane':
"then she had a college boyfriend who she slept with "

paloma: the message of the story seemed to be, "if you have sex your vagina will fall off."

That just gave me a horrifying and yet strangely hilarious picture in my head.

Gulper Eel:
And this...

"About one-third of adolescents hadn't received instruction on methods of birth control before age 18."

...is a polite way of saying they immigrated from a country where sex education (even abstinence-only) isn't in the curriculum at all, or is still very new and widely opposed. Take India, for example.


No, that stat applies very much to teens WITHIN THE US. I have spoken to many, many American teens who have hit puberty (or are about to) and they don't know what a period is, don't know about masturbation ("Will I go to hell? Will hair grow on my palms? Will I hurt myself? Is it bad?"), who don't know where to get condoms or how to use them, who know buttfark all about birth control, and so on. It's really sad and it is so frustrating to see, as someone who lives in Canada, actually received sex ed in high school, and made a point of learning it all myself growing up.

Abstinence-only programs are failing this generation of kids and students, because they aren't being given the information they need to make better choices, and there's not enough intervention with at-risk teens to prevent them from getting pregnant in the first place.

I'm starting to write my social work class paper on teen pregnancy, and from what I'm reading in this one somewhat recent book, a lot of teens (especially those who are either at-risk or from a minority, or both) do it on purpose. Often their culture/lifestyle/demographic tells them it's what "makes them a man/woman", gives them the attention they crave, or they see it as doing something with their lives because they're too poor/dumb to do well in school and go somewhere in life and so they might as well have kids because they think they're not going to do much else in life with themselves anyways.

Telling kids to not have sex is like putting a group of people in a room and telling them to not press the nice red flashing button on the wall. Sooner or later someone will press it, they just will.

Are schools going to teach masturbation instead instead of sex? That right there might work better, nothing like having some very unappealing teacher telling you about pleasure to turn you off a bit.... then again... given teenagers and raging hormones... and some of the highgrade classy teachers they are willing to have sex with... they are going to hit pretty much anything.

No sex at all is the best way to avoid pregnancy, but you absolutely need to tell them about options if they are going to have sex, 100% abstinance isn't achievable, teach alternates such as using a condom to help reduce accidental pregnancies in those kids who do chose to have sex.

I'm convinced that even the politicians who champion abstinence education don't actually believe it to be anything but a waste of time and earmarks. It's just another inflammatory issue that, given enough platitudes and town hall rallies, helps keep that support from the idiots rolling in.

Sounds improbable? Pfft. Since when have the ambitious not done what they felt was necessary to be competitive? Because I gotta be honest here...that's a lot more believable than the idea that there are highly educated people out there who actually believe this abstinence shiat, let alone rallying for the government to waste money on it.

vertiaset
Kids will be kids.

That's the problem, not the solution.

Mouser: vertiaset
Kids will be kids.

That's the problem, not the solution.

maybe if we cuff them to the basement?

Hispanic teens aged 15 to 19 are much more likely to become pregnant (132.8 births per 1,000 females) than non-Hispanic blacks (128 per 1,000) and non-Hispanic whites (45.2 per 1,000). The study also found that non-Hispanic black youth in all age groups have the highest rates of new HIV and AIDS diagnoses.

Once again facts prove to be horribly racist.

so how do those stats compare with the races in the rest of the first world where sex education vs abstinence only is taught?

So what? They can haz them sexes...It's not like they'll get preggis. Besides, babyies come from the hospital, not people. Sheesh! Everybody knows that!

Clarkke25: So what? They can haz them sexes...It's not like they'll get preggis. Besides, babyies come from the hospital, not people. Sheesh! Everybody knows that!

Ah kin spel

texastag: Not these people...



They know different now.

/That little one is trying to steal my soul through the internet
//Palin will lose in the '12 primary
///You heard it here last
////Vasectomy for me, condoms for the teens

I think it's really sad she'll even run and have a chance. She's no more qualified than half the Farkers in this thread.

Epsilon: When will the fundies figure out that a lack of education doesn't work?

Never. They have a very poor record when it comes to accepting evidence that doesn't fit their worldview. They'll just twist this to suit themselves: "It's not basic human biology that is making kids have sex... it's our depraved secular society! If we had real Christian laws in place and none of these damn atheists and non-Christians then we'd have a utopia full of celibate teens!"

Gawdzila: ScottHimself: colatf:

The simple rule goes against the most basic animal instinct, so it's not going to be very effective.

That's why we're capable of abstinence in the first place! We are not animals! We think, we reason, we consider ideas and are skeptically vigilant.

And yet, we ARE still animals, subject to whim, emotion, and urge.
Yes, we are capable of reason and forethought, but not a single person on the planet has ever carefully considered and unemotionally made every decision, and the stronger the emotions involved, the less likely people will be to make highly rational decisions.

Yes, everyone knows that brown people can't control their impulses. That's why we had to enslave them, you know; it was for their own good.

Trapper439: Tell them sex makes you go blind. It worked for masturbation.

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Ah, abstinence only ed. It works soooo well.

At my high school (many, many moons ago) we got a healthy dose of abstinence only ed. Our sex ed speech was basically a 15 minute speech that was this:

"Don't have sex. Don't until you're married. And then don't unless you want kids. Because anything outside of that purpose is evil and god will be angry. If you do it for pleasure your wang will turn black and fall off and you'll get some horrible disease and die. You will get pregnant the first time you have sex. Condoms always fail and you will get an STD and pregnant if you use one. So, in conclusion God will be angry if you have sex outside of marriage or for pleasure. So don't and god will look well on you and you'll have lots of kids."

Yeah, out of my graduating class of 36, at least 12 had kids, were pregnant at graduation, or were working on number 2.

Aboleth: paloma: ah, abstinence ed. my school had a pretty fantastic health teacher...one day, he came in with a rose. he asked us who wanted it, and pretty much every girl in class raised their hands. then he started to tell a story about "jane."
she had a high school boyfriend, and after 2 years, because they were very much in love, she had sex with him. (the teacher plucks a few petals off the rose at this point) then she had a college boyfriend who she slept with (the teacher plucked a few more petals off) and then there was a one night stand (more petals off) and so on. after two or three more guys, there were no more petals left on the rose. "now who wants this?" my teacher asked, and no one raised their hand. of course, the message was to save yourself for marriage.

...it was a traumatic way to tell us, that's all i'm saying.

I don't know about the rose, but I'm pretty sure Jane's happy with the orgasms and all.

He should have used a Roast Beef Sandwich instead of a rose - much more graphic metaphor.

/meat curtains

Abstinence education doesn't work, because it involves interacting with the opposite gender for the express purpose of not having sex. Yeah, good luck with that.

Training kids to play World of Warcraft 24/7, however, is 100% effective at preventing teen pregnancy.

hockeychick: "Don't have sex. Don't until you're married. And then don't unless you want kids. Because anything outside of that purpose is evil and god will be angry. If you do it for pleasure your wang will turn black and fall off and you'll get some horrible disease and die. You will get pregnant the first time you have sex. Condoms always fail and you will get an STD and pregnant if you use one. So, in conclusion God will be angry if you have sex outside of marriage or for pleasure. So don't and god will look well on you and you'll have lots of kids."

at80eighty: so you're saying an entire third of your country's youth are new immigrants from such countries?

No. Many of them are high school dropouts. Either way, they're not getting ANY sex education, not even abstinence-only.

Nickers: No, that stat applies very much to teens WITHIN THE US.

You seem to have missed the word "immigrated" and the upper age limit of 24 in TFA. If they got here when they were 18 or older, chances are they missed our school systems altogether.

Gawdzila: paloma: ah, abstinence ed. my school had a pretty fantastic health teacher...

THAT is a fantastic health teacher????
Someone who tells you that having sex will spoil you and turn you into a worthless, ruined thing that nobody wants?
I hope you were being sarcastic...

Maybe the teacher was trying to say if you're a girl and sleep around, the guys will think you're good enough for a fun time but not good enough to be the nice girl they will want to marry to impress the folks and breed some offspring with. The "disposable sluts" versus the "fresh unused good wife material" situation.

Faith based birth control. "Oh, God, don't let her get pregnant!"

AliasUndercover: Faith based birth control. "Oh, God, don't let her get pregnant!"

A.K.A. "Pull and Pray"

They need to try abstinence ONLY education. At my school they taught us the truth: that condoms do not prevent pregnancy or STIs. So why bother?

"At the least, the chances of getting pregnant with a condom are 1 out of 6."
Me, My World, My Future, Revised HIV material, p. 257

"Couples who use condoms for birth control experience a first-year failure rate of about 15 % in preventing pregnancies. This means that over a period of five years, there could be a 50% chance or higher of getting pregnant with condoms used as the birth control method."
Choosing the Best PATH, Leader Guide, pg. 18

"Condoms provide no proven reduction in protection against Chlamydia, the most common bacterial STD."
Choosing the Best PATH, Leader Guide, pg. 18

"The first player spins the cylinder, points the gun to his/her head, and pulls the trigger. He/she has only one in six chances of being killed. But if one continues to perform this act, the chamber with the bullet will ultimately fall into position under the hammer, and the game ends as one of the players dies. Relying on condoms is like playing Russian roulette."
Me, My World, My Future, Revised HIV material, p. 258

Trapper439: Tell them sex makes you go blind. It worked for masturbation.

We're over here dude.

aselene : whaargarrbl

Wow. That's some weapons-grade stupid right there. 8/10.

These threads are great. I run through, add trolls and single issue morons to my ignore list, and my experience on Fark improves significantly.

/I'm not here to convert or listen to you attempt such
//Idiots get the consideration they deserve

If it weren't for satheists and gays, we would not have STDs or AIDS.

Yeah that Sex education where you teach kids how to be immoral sluts really does work.

aselene: They need to try abstinence ONLY education. At my school they taught us the truth: that condoms do not prevent pregnancy or STIs. So why bother?

"At the least, the chances of getting pregnant with a condom are 1 out of 6."
Me, My World, My Future, Revised HIV material, p. 257

"Couples who use condoms for birth control experience a first-year failure rate of about 15 % in preventing pregnancies. This means that over a period of five years, there could be a 50% chance or higher of getting pregnant with condoms used as the birth control method."
Choosing the Best PATH, Leader Guide, pg. 18

"Condoms provide no proven reduction in protection against Chlamydia, the most common bacterial STD."
Choosing the Best PATH, Leader Guide, pg. 18

"The first player spins the cylinder, points the gun to his/her head, and pulls the trigger. He/she has only one in six chances of being killed. But if one continues to perform this act, the chamber with the bullet will ultimately fall into position under the hammer, and the game ends as one of the players dies. Relying on condoms is like playing Russian roulette."
Me, My World, My Future, Revised HIV material, p. 258

wat

Sorry, my troll meter seems to be on the fritz.

/still early

Spaying them might work.

MightySlam: aselene: They need to try abstinence ONLY education. At my school they taught us the truth: that condoms do not prevent pregnancy or STIs. So why bother?

"At the least, the chances of getting pregnant with a condom are 1 out of 6."
Me, My World, My Future, Revised HIV material, p. 257

"Couples who use condoms for birth control experience a first-year failure rate of about 15 % in preventing pregnancies. This means that over a period of five years, there could be a 50% chance or higher of getting pregnant with condoms used as the birth control method."
Choosing the Best PATH, Leader Guide, pg. 18

"Condoms provide no proven reduction in protection against Chlamydia, the most common bacterial STD."
Choosing the Best PATH, Leader Guide, pg. 18

"The first player spins the cylinder, points the gun to his/her head, and pulls the trigger. He/she has only one in six chances of being killed. But if one continues to perform this act, the chamber with the bullet will ultimately fall into position under the hammer, and the game ends as one of the players dies. Relying on condoms is like playing Russian roulette."
Me, My World, My Future, Revised HIV material, p. 258

wat

Sorry, my troll meter seems to be on the fritz.

/still early

All of the quotes are from popular, federally funded abstinence only sex education programs. They teach that condoms are ineffective to prevent against pregnancy and STIs. It's important to get this kind of information out to teens as they make the choice about whether or not to be sexually active. If they DO decide to engage in sexual intercourse, there's no point in using condoms, because they're ineffective anyway. Which drives home the importance of the abstinence-only message.

hockeychick: Ah, abstinence only ed. It works soooo well.

At my high school (many, many moons ago) we got a healthy dose of abstinence only ed. Our sex ed speech was basically a 15 minute speech that was this:

"Don't have sex. Don't until you're married. And then don't unless you want kids. Because anything outside of that purpose is evil and god will be angry. If you do it for pleasure your wang will turn black and fall off and you'll get some horrible disease and die. You will get pregnant the first time you have sex. Condoms always fail and you will get an STD and pregnant if you use one. So, in conclusion God will be angry if you have sex outside of marriage or for pleasure. So don't and god will look well on you and you'll have lots of kids."

Yeah, out of my graduating class of 36, at least 12 had kids, were pregnant at graduation, or were working on number 2.

If they had made better CHOICES they wouldn't get pregnant.

Personal responsibility: it's what's for dinner.

So THAT's what I've been doing wrong. Let's see how reverse psychology works...

colatf: Damn right. No dynamite.

Seems kind of pointless without it.

Ironic since I hear it works really well for men who are ordered by their wives.

FunkOut: The "disposable sluts" versus the "fresh unused good wife material" situation.

This assumes that a vagina is like a car. Higher mileage leads to imminent failure. Fortunately, since you are only able to rack up those miles three inches at a time, you will be able to take a lot more trips than most. The two minute duration will also contribute.

aselene: They need to try abstinence ONLY education. At my school they taught us the truth: that condoms do not prevent pregnancy or STIs. So why bother?

Because 98% protection is far better than the 0% protection you get when practicing "abstinence."

"At the least, the chances of getting pregnant with a condom are 1 out of 6."
Me, My World, My Future, Revised HIV material, p. 257

Either the author knits his own condoms, or he's outright lying.

"Couples who use condoms for birth control experience a first-year failure rate of about 15 % in preventing pregnancies. This means that over a period of five years, there could be a 50% chance or higher of getting pregnant with condoms used as the birth control method."
Choosing the Best PATH, Leader Guide, pg. 18

"Condoms provide no proven reduction in protection against Chlamydia, the most common bacterial STD."
Choosing the Best PATH, Leader Guide, pg. 18

Do you actually believe this drivel? I can't tell whether you're trolling or not. It's not true just because it's in a book, you know.

"The first player spins the cylinder, points the gun to his/her head, and pulls the trigger. He/she has only one in six chances of being killed. But if one continues to perform this act, the chamber with the bullet will ultimately fall into position under the hammer, and the game ends as one of the players dies. Relying on condoms is like playing Russian roulette."
Me, My World, My Future, Revised HIV material, p. 258

Reefer madness. (new window)

colatf: Not that many people at all have sex flat out anymore. It's a kinky age we live in, my friends.

Though I once knew I guy who masturbated flat out for three days and he could sizzle butter on the thing for a week.

Why did he quit so soon?

I have 2 boys, ages 3 and 5. godwilling, I won't have to worry about this for at least 10 years. However, I fully plan on making sure my kids know that while sex isn't evil it sure as hell can fark up a lot of other things if they fail to take percausions.

/will probably make husband give speach
//haha

Epsilon: When will the fundies figure out that a lack of education doesn't work? If I'm a horny 15 year old boy and some slutty vixen is willing to spread her gams and invite me in for a dip, I'm not gonna say no.

If I'm educated about sex I will know how to prevent STD/pregnancy. If my parents have chosen to leave me ignorant of such methods, it's probable to ruin many people (the mother, father, baby, both sets of grandparents).

I can't believe some people willingly keep their kids ignorant of sexual protection.

Lack of education is used as a means of control. Has always been. It's about power. Sex ed? Abortion laws? Death penalty? Religious indoctrination? The underlying conservative thread that connects them is absolute power. The stance on a particular issue is merely a symptom of the lust and greed for power.

It might just be me not liking anyone my age, but anyone who gets pregnant at this age is a total idiot.