CrazyCracka420: Because there's less wind resistance

exactly how do you measure that ? stand next to another guy in a wind tunnel ?
Or did you have the operation recently.

Btw, have you ever heard anyone with a foreskin describe resistance ?!? The foreskin decreases friction (if you want it to)... and for added sensitivity sometimes I pull it back and go for it. See I have BOTH modes ;-)

Slartibartfaster: CrazyCracka420: So to say it's a choice, is not being truthful, it's facetious. The reason? For the 8th time: the consequences and aftermath of circing a baby, is not the same as circing an adult.

Sure

but at that point its THEIR CHOICE

This argument is like farking a 13 year old. You're both trying to force your idea on the other person, but it's not going to work.

flyurchin: Well, that's why I'm glad my parents made that choice, otherwise I wouldn't have

Thats warped dude

You are glad your parents did something to you... because if you had the choice you would not have done it....

mmmm kay

Slartibartfaster: CrazyCracka420: So to say it's a choice, is not being truthful, it's facetious. The reason? For the 8th time: the consequences and aftermath of circing a baby, is not the same as circing an adult.

Sure

but at that point its THEIR CHOICE

You were proposing that NOT doing it, takes away their choice.
They ONLY have a choice if you dont do it (see how that works yet ?)

I already told you, I see how that works...you act like I'm retarded...I'm saying I disagree it's a choice, it's an option sure, but a choice? No, because nobody would choose that.

At that point, most choose not to do it. (probably because its a painful, unnecessary, genital mutilation... and what sane person would volunteer for that).

Circumcising your kid, removes that choice.
If as an adult, you would be reluctant to do it, because of the pain, or the shear idiocy of it... why would you want it done to your defenseless baby boy ?!?

Same reason you'd declaw a cat when it was little, because it's not going to hurt them, the post-op isn't as bad when they're little (they're not popping boners every 15 minutes), and they won't remember a thing.

I'd only do it to my baby for aesthetic reasons, it's 2009, they can clip some excess skin off, and sew it up, no problem.

GomezAdams: Circumcision. I'm against genital mutilation and just because the Jewish and Muslim Guy in the Sky says to don't make it right.

How about when Dr. Kellogg says it? - 'cos he's the one who started the whole circumcision movement in the USA.

(Yes, the same guy who invented cornflakes...)

So far the votes are:
1 - 1/2"
1 - 1/4"
1 - shaved
1 - avoid alleys and straight razors

Which lines up pretty well with our pre-poll estimates. Remember, there's still time to cast your vote to help decide what Jubeebee's junk is going to look like this weekend.

IXI Jim IXI: J. Frank Parnell: That's a genetic mutation brought on by exposure to radiation and whatnot.

Sorry, man. Cancer is nature, in all its glory.

Well everything could be called nature in the broadest sense of the term. Even the electricity running your computer isn't really man made, it's just man harnessing an aspect of nature.

Joce678: hockeyfarker:
I think I speak for all men when I curl into the fetal position and rock back and forth after reading that

Hey, guess what ... if they weren't ragging on you for that they'd be ragging on you for something else - for being Irish or whatever (they probably did that as well, right?)

That's school.

hello, Joce678. not only is this reply extremely late, you've also apparently translated my original post into Klingon and then back.

/and don't call me Irish

CrazyCracka420: because it's not going to hurt them

yea, thats why the totally dont cry when you do it

my cock is a towering, cut, veiny thing of beauty

Jubeebee: So far the votes are:
1 - 1/2"
1 - 1/4"
1 - shaved
1 - avoid alleys and straight razors

Which lines up pretty well with our pre-poll estimates. Remember, there's still time to cast your vote to help decide what Jubeebee's junk is going to look like this weekend.

There's a vote? Then I vote 1/4, and only wish you could mention it in an aside to my SO that it would be really worth doing.

/yes, I have dropped hints
//no, it's not that big of a deal

That headline just writes itself.

GoatEwHelenWate: karooble: GoatEwHelenWate: If there's no medical benefit, and nobody would ever choose to do it to themselves, why are we doing it at all?

Sky wizard + tradition + societal taboos.

I was kind of hoping for some good reasons...but I see there are none.

Nope, there really aren't any "good" reasons. Other than aesthetics, and it's not an issue to have it done to a baby.

Slartibartfaster: CrazyCracka420: because it's not going to hurt them

yea, thats why the totally dont cry when you do it

In his defense, babies cry just for the fark of it as far as I can tell. Also in his defense, he was not only circumcised but also dropped on his head.

Jubeebee: So far the votes are:
1 - 1/2"
1 - 1/4"
1 - shaved
1 - avoid alleys and straight razors

Which lines up pretty well with our pre-poll estimates. Remember, there's still time to cast your vote to help decide what Jubeebee's junk is going to look like this weekend.

I just like my men hairy, I guess. Not un-manscaped -- well-groomed -- but I prefer some bush down there. In my experience, a bit of hair doesn't interfere too much with oral sex; even a bit of ball-hair isn't really an issue for oral, as long as your dude isn't a Sasquatch.

Jubeebee: So far the votes are:
1 - 1/2"
1 - 1/4"
1 - shaved
1 - avoid alleys and straight razors

Which lines up pretty well with our pre-poll estimates. Remember, there's still time to cast your vote to help decide what Jubeebee's junk is going to look like this weekend.

Nope, 2 for 1/4". 1/2" is too long. Also, shave the frank and beans, and you'll be golden.

That being said, if you get your pants down with a female, it's not really gonna matter, but as a courtesy you should keep it trimmed.

Slartibartfaster: flyurchin: Well, that's why I'm glad my parents made that choice, otherwise I wouldn't have

Thats warped dude

You are glad your parents did something to you... because if you had the choice you would not have done it....

mmmm kay

Isn't that how some things in life work?

Sometimes we like something or learn something by having something done to us or a choice made for us that we would have rather not have done to us at the time or would not have done otherwise.

So, though I would not have chosen to be cut if I hadn't been, I'm glad I was, because I truly like my cock this way right now. Of course, I can only say that not knowing what it is like to be uncut, which I accept and am fine with. Basically, most men don't have a choice on the matter and don't know otherwise.

Once my father in law volunteered to change his grandson's diaper. He returned white as a ghost asking why we never told him about the birth defect. My wife asked what he was talking about. He mentioned the penis that was not completely formed. I could not laugh realizing that my American father in law must never have seen one in its natural state.

wyrlss: Slartibartfaster: CrazyCracka420: because it's not going to hurt them

yea, thats why the totally dont cry when you do it

In his defense, babies cry just for the fark of it as far as I can tell. Also in his defense, he was not only circumcised but also dropped on his head.

Why, because I'm being honest, I was dropped on my head? Mmmmkay...it should be pretty obvious to see which comments I was messing around with (streamlined/less wind resistance), and which ones I was serious with (the part about no rational adult choosing to get circ'ed, so it's not really a choice).

But in your defense, you're lazy.

CrazyCracka420: Same reason you'd declaw a cat

again: please stay the hell away from my cat

CrazyCracka420: Jubeebee: So far the votes are:
1 - 1/2"
1 - 1/4"
1 - shaved
1 - avoid alleys and straight razors

Which lines up pretty well with our pre-poll estimates. Remember, there's still time to cast your vote to help decide what Jubeebee's junk is going to look like this weekend.

Nope, 2 for 1/4". 1/2" is too long. Also, shave the frank and beans, and you'll be golden.

That being said, if you get your pants down with a female, it's not really gonna matter, but as a courtesy you should keep it trimmed.

That'd be 3 for 1/4" and I also suggested the hairless balls for nut-sucking purposes.

J. Frank Parnell: Well everything could be called nature in the broadest sense of the term. Even the electricity running your computer isn't really man made, it's just man harnessing an aspect of nature.

Yes, but cancer is a natural event (at least some instances of it). So saying that there's never any excess in nature or biology is just silly.

I'm sure there were five-limbed frogs appearing here and there long before Mr. Burns set up his reactor.

Slartibartfaster: flyurchin: Well, that's why I'm glad my parents made that choice, otherwise I wouldn't have

Thats warped dude

You are glad your parents did something to you... because if you had the choice you would not have done it....

mmmm kay

If I could have made the choice as a baby to be circ'ed, I would. I wouldn't as an adult...do you not understand the difference?

xenomorpheus: There are some guys out there who have been mutilated in this manner and who are still unable to feel normal sexual pleasures(oral or penetration). This causes an unbelievable amount of stress and frustration because they don't feel normal and can't reach the goal of orgasm without an unnatural amount of stimulation. Keeping stiff without adequate stimulation is impossible also. Relationships are severely affected because women think they aren't stimulating their mates enough. Most kind women would at first say it isn't a problem, but in the end it always becomes a problem when their lust has disappeared and they expect what cannot be provided. Relationships always fail, life goes on, but never getting any closer to any sexual goals or experiences that most men have attained way back in their teens.

Or they're doing it wrong and have found an easy scapegoat...

flyurchin: Of course, I can only say that not knowing what it is like to be uncut

so ... you have no valid basis of comparison and all proposed comparisons (without external citation) should be considered invalid... right ?

I can go from bare head, to covered head, in under a second (over a reasonably extended period)

// quite enjoy doing that

forresttriax: Once my father in law volunteered to change his grandson's diaper. He returned white as a ghost asking why we never told him about the birth defect. My wife asked what he was talking about. He mentioned the penis that was not completely formed. I could not laugh realizing that my American father in law must never have seen one in its natural state.

Most straight American men are uninterested in other men's cocks.

Most gay American men are interested in other men's cocks.

It's odd how many of you are interested in other men's cocks.

CrazyCracka420: If I could have made the choice as a baby to be circ'ed, I would. I wouldn't as an adult...do you not understand the difference?

Exactly, and I'm glad my parents made that choice.

wyrlss: Oh-Boy: crm114: Gwendolyn: Uh the son isn't cut and he pees standing up just fine without having to yank it back. He's four though so it may change.

Again, I don't know the mechanics of the situation but I can't help but think that the skin would occasionally get in the way?

No, it doesn't. This idea makes no sense. It's like saying that the goggles get int he way of a skier, or the steering wheel is in the way of a cab driver.

I'm confused and troubled by your analogies.

He's saying your penis needs the foreskin for visual and navigational capabilities, obviously.

kevinshields: He's saying your penis needs the foreskin for visual and navigational capabilities, obviously.

It's a GPeniS

CrazyCracka420: Same reason you'd declaw a cat when it was little

What, because you're a farking asshole that wants a cat that's going to have problems with it's paws for the rest of its life?

Slartibartfaster: flyurchin: Of course, I can only say that not knowing what it is like to be uncut

so ... you have no valid basis of comparison and all proposed comparisons (without external citation) should be considered invalid... right ?

I can go from bare head, to covered head, in under a second (over a reasonably extended period)

// quite enjoy doing that

Yes and no.

There are comparisons that can be made - that's what most of this thread seems to be about - but there is no comparison of personal experience, because none of us have grown up and learned what it's like to have or not have our foreskin if we don't already not have or have one respectively.

Personally though, I'm really happy with my wholesome cut cock and I'm glad my parents made that choice that I couldn't and wouldn't have if I weren't cut now.

Having a cock is great - and I'm happy that mine is cut. I love how it looks and how it works. I see some of the benefits to having a foreskin, but I can't indulge and I just wouldn't care to.

kevinshields: wyrlss: Oh-Boy: crm114: Gwendolyn: Uh the son isn't cut and he pees standing up just fine without having to yank it back. He's four though so it may change.

Again, I don't know the mechanics of the situation but I can't help but think that the skin would occasionally get in the way?

No, it doesn't. This idea makes no sense. It's like saying that the goggles get int he way of a skier, or the steering wheel is in the way of a cab driver.

I'm confused and troubled by your analogies.

He's saying your penis needs the foreskin for visual and navigational capabilities, obviously.

I lol'ed

A penis, is a penis, is a penis. I think most of us can agree there's no difference functionally, or in attracting a mate. NO adult in their right mind would have it done, and if you prefer a circ'ed penis, and want your kid to have it, do it when they're a baby.

Jubeebee: Which lines up pretty well with our pre-poll estimates. Remember, there's still time to cast your vote to help decide what Jubeebee's junk is going to look like this weekend.

Shave it. Might as well. Let us know how it went.

kevinshields: He's saying your penis needs the foreskin for visual and navigational capabilities, obviously.

IXI Jim IXI: Yes, but cancer is a natural event (at least some instances of it). So saying that there's never any excess in nature or biology is just silly.

Yeah, there's cancer cells in us all right now. All they are are cells with a bad DNA blueprint. Luckily our bodies have measures to track down and destroy irregular cells our body creates. As for what causes a dramatic rise in DNA mutations, well, radiation and toxins are natural too, in the broadest sense of the term.

flyurchin: Having a cock is great - and I'm happy that mine is cut. I love how it looks and how it works. I see some of the benefits to having a foreskin, but I can't indulge and I just wouldn't care to.

Translation -

I love my penis and I'll pretend I'll convince myself that this way is the best because any other conclusion would mean I'm less of a man and my ego can't take that.

Gothnet: CrazyCracka420: Same reason you'd declaw a cat when it was little

What, because you're a farking asshole that wants a cat that's going to have problems with it's paws for the rest of its life?

I had 2 cats growing up, and my parents refused to declaw them (and I wouldn't do it to my cat either that I'm planning on getting in a few months). Removing claws is a lot more damaging (long and short term) than clipping skin off a penis. I just thought it was a decent analogy, but I guess it really isn't. I think the only reason it could apply, is how the cat won't be traumatized if you do it when it's little, and same with the baby. But who knows...maybe that's why I'm so f*cked up.

flyurchin: wholesome cut

some... sure
whole ? not so much

Gothnet: CrazyCracka420: Same reason you'd declaw a cat when it was little

What, because you're a farking asshole that wants a cat that's going to have problems with it's paws for the rest of its life?

I don't have any problems with my cut peener, none of the guys with uncut peeners seem to have any problem. Apparently, you've had both and can thus say that there are problems with a cut one.

Gothnet: I'm less of a man

well to be fair
or not so much

he IS less of a man - someone lopped part of the man bit off
(hope it was not one of those freaky rabbis that clean off with their mouth)

finnished: Jubeebee: Which lines up pretty well with our pre-poll estimates. Remember, there's still time to cast your vote to help decide what Jubeebee's junk is going to look like this weekend.

Shave it. Might as well. Let us know how it went.

Are we discussing shaving teh hairs?

Totally do it. Nothing like smooth, clean cut balls and cock. I do my legs too. Big bonus if you're nice and tone, everything down there looks delectable.

CrazyCracka420: That being said, if you get your pants down with a female, it's not really gonna matter, but as a courtesy you should keep it trimmed.

Agreed. It's just polite. Like holding the door open.

Looks like I'm trimming down to 1/4" when I get home.

crm114:

Or they're doing it wrong and have found an easy scapegoat...

An easy thing to say from your chair, but I'm sure most in this particular situation would have gone to many, many sex therapists and doctors to work things out and find out viable options besides injections or reconstructive surgery.

crm114: I don't have any problems with my cut peener, none of the guys with uncut peeners seem to have any problem

I agree with that.

So why do we cut it off our children again ?

J. Frank Parnell: Yeah, there's cancer cells in us all right now. All they are are cells with a bad DNA blueprint. Luckily our bodies have measures to track down and destroy irregular cells our body creates. As for what causes a dramatic rise in DNA mutations, well, radiation and toxins are natural too, in the broadest sense of the term.

Don't even have to go to the broadest sense of the term. Cancer, which occurs both due to nature as well as due to radiation, toxins, etc, is an example of excess when it comes to biology and nature.

A population outbreeding its food source is another example of excess regarding nature and biology.

Gothnet: flyurchin: Having a cock is great - and I'm happy that mine is cut. I love how it looks and how it works. I see some of the benefits to having a foreskin, but I can't indulge and I just wouldn't care to.

Translation -

I love my penis and I'll pretend I'll convince myself that this way is the best because any other conclusion would mean I'm less of a man and my ego can't take that.

What? My ego is fine. I don't need to convince myself - I don't know any different.

Slartibartfaster: Gothnet: I'm less of a man

well to be fair
or not so much

he IS less of a man - someone lopped part of the man bit off
(hope it was not one of those freaky rabbis that clean off with their mouth)

Technically, I was a baby, not a man, when I lost it. So now that I've become a man, I'm all there.

Jubeebee: CrazyCracka420: That being said, if you get your pants down with a female, it's not really gonna matter, but as a courtesy you should keep it trimmed.

Agreed. It's just polite. Like holding the door open.

Looks like I'm trimming down to 1/4" when I get home.

Good luck with that (shave the penis too, that's the most important part).

Also, TF2 sucks, TFC was the sh*t, and like every other Source version (DOD and CS) they f*cked up TF2. What's the deal with no nades? And why didn't they port some of the original maps over...badlands was the sh*t, and the new version blows :(

flyurchin: Totally do it. Nothing like smooth, clean cut balls and cock

my wife likes it like that.
Lots of fun when she helps me do it too

(and unlike my foreskin, it grows back)

Dont go clean shaven though, especially in summer.... it itches when it grows back.

Jubeebee: So far the votes are:
1 - 1/2"
1 - 1/4"
1 - shaved
1 - avoid alleys and straight razors

Which lines up pretty well with our pre-poll estimates. Remember, there's still time to cast your vote to help decide what Jubeebee's junk is going to look like this weekend.

1 - Ask the girl how she prefers it.

Slartibartfaster: I agree with that.

So why do we cut it off our children again ?

Less chance of snagging it in a zipper?