Slartibartfaster: if it takes you that long, that is called "masturbating" not "cleaning"

Goddamnit he's cracked my code.

CrazyCracka420: How is cutting off some excess skin a big deal?

There is no 'excess' when it comes to biology and nature itself.

People always thought the appendix was useless, and removed it without a second thought, until a few years ago we discover it has a purpose and we were arrogant morons all those years.

Go ahead and mutilate your body all you want, though, it's up to you what you do with yours, but just don't go making that decision for those who can't speak for themselves.

Slartibartfaster: Jubeebee: Note that as a teenager, the required cleaning often leads to other regularly scheduled maintenance and complaints about the water bill from parents

if it takes you that long, that is called "masturbating" not "cleaning"

Not if you're using soap as a lube. You're just being thorough.

hockeyfarker: You shouldn't use chemicals on such a sensitive area at all. If it's got that old tuna smell, just rinse it out with a firehose

THERE'S a 911 call I hope someone will get on mp3.

"Her ovaries shot right out the window! Send help NOW!"

CrazyCracka420: Well I don't know any women who "clean" their vaginas, if they do that, it can take away the natural bacteria that keeps them balanced.

um....

CrazyCracka420: foo monkey: CrazyCracka420: That being said, if you're not circ'ed, who cares, I wouldn't ever go out and get circ'ed if my parents didn't do me the favor when I was a little baby.
.

They didn't do you a favor.

They did, because I like the look, and there's no wind resistance, so easier to pound away ;)

That being said, did you read the rest of my post? It really doesn't matter one way or the other, but I have a preference for the clean look.

Agreed.

I like being cut. I love how my cock looks and I have great sex, so there's no problem as far as I'm concerned.

Would I do it to my son if I had one? Answer: I don't want kids.

/kinda wish my gf could do shots out of my skin, but I think I'll survive.

CrazyCracka420: they still clean their lips and on the outside.

She takes about as long cleaning hers as I do mine (respectively different bits)

// Glad Im not a member of a primitive desert culture so petrified of a sky ghost Ill dismember my children

J. Frank Parnell: There is no 'excess' when it comes to biology and nature itself.

I dunno...I think we could do well with a bit less cancer...

Smarshmallow: CrazyCracka420: How is that bad logic? I don't think any adult male in their right mind would get circumcised, and that's including those like myself, who are circ'ed already (if we were to pretend we weren't). If that's the case (which I guarantee it is), then how is it giving your baby a choice to leave them uncircumcised? They aren't going to go out and get circ'ed, because (as I already said, and I think any male would agree), a dude's not gonna go out and let a doc come at his penis with a knife. The post-op is horrible for circumcision, the only way someone would do it as an adult, is for medical reasons.

You can argue all you want about whether or not to circ your baby, but don't give me the copout that "you're giving them a choice", that's bullsh*t, and anyone in their right mind knows it.

Your argument is that, because one of the options is so unattractive that nobody would choose it, not forcing that option on a child, and allowing that child to make the decision for themselves, is not a choice.

You could use that argument about any possible choice where one option is obviously unattractive.

The difference, is that it's not unattractive when you're a child, because you don't know any better, and the post op is a cakewalk compared to if you had it done as an adult. That's the difference here, is the difference between having it done as an adult, and as a child. It's a non-sequitar to suggest someone has a choice to get circ'ed as an adult. If they were circ'ed already, they have no choice, and if they weren't, they basically have no choice to get circ'ed (because the risk outweights the benefits...when having it done as an adult, not as a child).

wyrlss: This thread is worth less without pricks.

FTFY

J. Frank Parnell: CrazyCracka420: How is cutting off some excess skin a big deal?

There is no 'excess' when it comes to biology and nature itself.

People always thought the appendix was useless, and removed it without a second thought, until a few years ago we discover it has a purpose and we were arrogant morons all those years.

Go ahead and mutilate your body all you want, though, it's up to you what you do with yours, but just don't go making that decision for those who can't speak for themselves.

If you don't do it as a baby, they won't have it done as adults. So if you leave your baby uncirc'ed, you're making a decision for those who can't speak for themselves. Don't kid yourself.

flyurchin: /kinda wish my gf could do shots out of my skin, but I think I'll survive.

You could always gouge out an eye...

flyurchin: kinda wish my gf could do shots out of my skin, but I think I'll survive

be back soon, I gotta go get some tequila :-)

hockeyfarker: zoips: Considering that there's a vaccine for HPV for women, I don't see that as any logical reason to continue to circumcise males.

When I said "hope you uncut mofos like your herpes" what part made you think I was referring to women?

hockeyfarker: After accounting for such factors as age at first intercourse and lifetime number of sexual partners, circumcised men were only about a third as likely as uncircumcised men to test positive for HPV.

Err, because I misread it as a study more concerned with the incidence of cervical cancer in women.

Though, as a post-fact justification, seems that if all women are vaccinated for HPV, then an uncut male is less likely to have a partner to be infected with the virus by.

While we're talking about cleaning up down there, I'm going to trim before I go out tonight. Normally I use the 1/2" guard, but I'm thinking about going down to 1/4". Farkette (or fabulous Farker) thoughts?

/this thread reminds me of TFD

And what does the appendix do? I know people who had appendicitis and had theirs removed, should I tell them to panic?

I'm telling you guys, for a baby, it's no sweat to have them circ'ed. I'm also telling you, no adult would have the procedure done, unless absolutely necessary.

I'm further telling you, there's really no difference between the two besides aesthetics (if you take regular showers, and if you don't you have bigger problems than your penis).

I don't see what's w/ all the back and forth on the issue...it's all pretty common sense.

Slartibartfaster
(do uncut guys not realize that it unfurls itself when required ?!?, like the well made tool it is)

No, they don't.

Which is also why they reveal their ignorance anytime they argue for chopping because of appearance. They don't even realize that foreskins can be pulled back to reveal a penis that looks just like a "normal" one (but with a wrinkle instead of a scar).

Arguing from ignorance is ignorant.

J. Frank Parnell: People always thought the appendix was useless, and removed it without a second thought, until a few years ago we discover it has a purpose and we were arrogant morons all those years.

Yeah, but it totally sucks when the end of your penis gets infected and swollen and almost kills you

CrazyCracka420: So if you leave your baby uncirc'ed, you're making a decision for those who can't speak for themselves

logic ?

heard of it ?

Thats like saying.... I made a decision for my child by NOT taking him to church.
Sure, most kids that are not brainwashed early, dont do it as an adult... but they CAN.

CrazyCracka420: or you really believe there are advantages to being circ'ed (which there are not, besides aesthetic reasons).

Golly! You think so? Yet here you are saying that you'd have it done to others.

Jubeebee: While we're talking about cleaning up down there, I'm going to trim before I go out tonight. Normally I use the 1/2" guard, but I'm thinking about going down to 1/4". Farkette (or fabulous Farker) thoughts?

Trimming's a good idea, but if you trim down to 1/4", it's going to look stubbly instead of tidy -- like you shaved it completely a couple weeks ago and you're just letting it grow back in. I'd stick with the 1/2".

Jubeebee: Farkette (or fabulous Farker) thoughts?

Don't try it with a straight razor during an allergy attack?

CrazyCracka420: J. Frank Parnell: CrazyCracka420: How is cutting off some excess skin a big deal?

There is no 'excess' when it comes to biology and nature itself.

People always thought the appendix was useless, and removed it without a second thought, until a few years ago we discover it has a purpose and we were arrogant morons all those years.

Go ahead and mutilate your body all you want, though, it's up to you what you do with yours, but just don't go making that decision for those who can't speak for themselves.

If you don't do it as a baby, they won't have it done as adults. So if you leave your baby uncirc'ed, you're making a decision for those who can't speak for themselves. Don't kid yourself.

Pardon me, but the argument that we do it to babies specifically because it's an absolutely horrific procedure with no medical benefit and a lot of risk when done to an adult seems really absurd.

If there's no medical benefit, and nobody would ever choose to do it to themselves, why are we doing it at all?

CrazyCracka420: no adult would have the procedure done, unless absolutely necessary

and you dont see the conclusion there ?
If an adult gets the choice, they almost never do it, "unless absolutely necessary"

gee, I wonder if there is a reason for that.

(and your thoughts on how its ok if you do it early enough so they wont remember, is why a lot of men are in jail... away from the general population... for their own safety)

Jubeebee: While we're talking about cleaning up down there, I'm going to trim before I go out tonight. Normally I use the 1/2" guard, but I'm thinking about going down to 1/4". Farkette (or fabulous Farker) thoughts?

/this thread reminds me of TFD

I'm not fabulous, but I'll give you my advice: shave the frank and beans (beans are optional, but I like getting my balls sucked). I shave around the base a little, and then just use a short trimmer for the rest...how much you trim is up to you, but I'd say 1/4" would be good.

Shaving with Bacitracin, or some other antibiotic ointments are preferred as it doesn't leave as many nicks and gouges, and isn't as irritated when you're done. Just make sure you wash it off very well with warm water, because antibiotics on the penis can cause yeast infections.

GoatEwHelenWate: If there's no medical benefit, and nobody would ever choose to do it to themselves, why are we doing it at all?

Sky wizard + tradition + societal taboos.

Cybernetic: Englebert Slaptyback: NightOwl2255

Damn I love a good Thesaurus smack down!


For good or ill, the thesaurus remained undisturbed throughout the composition of that missive.

Your ebullient use of polysyllabics does engender approbation.

/Also without a thesaurus.

I'm against people who give vent to their loquacity by extraneous bombastic circumlocution.

/Oh, I don't like that.

Cut off the whole penis, including the testes. That'll stop those f'uckers!

IXI Jim IXI: J. Frank Parnell: There is no 'excess' when it comes to biology and nature itself.

I dunno...I think we could do well with a bit less cancer...

That's a genetic mutation brought on by exposure to radiation and whatnot. It's not really included in the main blueprint for each living thing.

I'm speaking strictly about how living things are created, all bets are off when they start wandering around getting dosed with toxins and radiation.

You know, if you're cut, your GF can't play games like Dune, or peel the banana, or find the gum.
You're missing out.

karooble: Jubeebee: While we're talking about cleaning up down there, I'm going to trim before I go out tonight. Normally I use the 1/2" guard, but I'm thinking about going down to 1/4". Farkette (or fabulous Farker) thoughts?

Trimming's a good idea, but if you trim down to 1/4", it's going to look stubbly instead of tidy -- like you shaved it completely a couple weeks ago and you're just letting it grow back in. I'd stick with the 1/2".

Personally I'd do the 1/4". At 1/2" it's still pretty bushy and hairs end up in the mouth/throat when giving the oral. Trimming down to 1/4" will keep everything neat and tidy, and hey if you feel like going completely bare on the balls that works too. I'm willing to suck on hairless balls, but not hairy ones for the aforementioned hair-throat reason.

What a weird argument.
Sounds like for 90% of the population, no one (man or woman) cares if someone is cut or uncut. The bulk of the arguments for doing it appear to be appeal to tradition. IE: I got it done, I'll have it done to my kids. I guess that's a valid point, but it creeps me the hell out.

/My husband is cut, my son is uncut. No issues so far
//Although my son does keep asking me where my penis is

CrazyCracka420: antibiotics on the penis can cause yeast infections.

I did not know that. weird, wacky stuff.

official wtf thread of the day

How about you stop bum-farking chimps, and then you won't get teh AIDS?

Slartibartfaster: CrazyCracka420: So if you leave your baby uncirc'ed, you're making a decision for those who can't speak for themselves

logic ?

heard of it ?

Thats like saying.... I made a decision for my child by NOT taking him to church.
Sure, most kids that are not brainwashed early, dont do it as an adult... but they CAN.

Yes, I've heard of logic. I understand what you're trying to say, I'm just saying it's a non-sequitar (i.e. the two sides you're presenting aren't actually how it works in the real world). I'm telling you, that I'm circ'ed and like that I am, however if I wasn't, there's no f*cking way I would let a doc come near my penis with a knife, unless medically necessary.

So to say it's a choice, is not being truthful, it's facetious. The reason? For the 8th time: the consequences and aftermath of circing a baby, is not the same as circing an adult.

karooble: GoatEwHelenWate: If there's no medical benefit, and nobody would ever choose to do it to themselves, why are we doing it at all?

Sky wizard + tradition + societal taboos.

I was kind of hoping for some good reasons...but I see there are none.

Slartibartfaster: flyurchin: kinda wish my gf could do shots out of my skin, but I think I'll survive

be back soon, I gotta go get some tequila :-)

You gonna teach me a new trick?

IXI Jim IXI: flyurchin: /kinda wish my gf could do shots out of my skin, but I think I'll survive.

You could always gouge out an eye...

Heads up thinking, Jim!

Pinner: You know, if you're cut, your GF can't play games like Dune, or peel the banana, or find the gum.

Pop the Doritos bag: You blow it up, keep it pinched closed with your lips to hold the air in, and then gently tap both sides with your hands, as if popping a bag of chips. It's not erotic at all, but it's funny as hell as long as your partner's got a good sense of humor, especially if they're not expecting it.

J. Frank Parnell: That's a genetic mutation brought on by exposure to radiation and whatnot.

Sorry, man. Cancer is nature, in all its glory.

hockeyfarker: CrazyCracka420: antibiotics on the penis can cause yeast infections.

I did not know that. weird, wacky stuff.

on the other hand I've never had any "gouges" on my personal area

GoatEwHelenWate: CrazyCracka420: J. Frank Parnell: CrazyCracka420: How is cutting off some excess skin a big deal?

There is no 'excess' when it comes to biology and nature itself.

People always thought the appendix was useless, and removed it without a second thought, until a few years ago we discover it has a purpose and we were arrogant morons all those years.

Go ahead and mutilate your body all you want, though, it's up to you what you do with yours, but just don't go making that decision for those who can't speak for themselves.

If you don't do it as a baby, they won't have it done as adults. So if you leave your baby uncirc'ed, you're making a decision for those who can't speak for themselves. Don't kid yourself.

Pardon me, but the argument that we do it to babies specifically because it's an absolutely horrific procedure with no medical benefit and a lot of risk when done to an adult seems really absurd.

If there's no medical benefit, and nobody would ever choose to do it to themselves, why are we doing it at all?

Because there's less wind resistance, I get more efficiency from my circ'ed penis...

I honestly don't know, other than like the guy above me said, societal norms/taboos, and possibly (but probably very small %) because of religious reasons.

The only reason I'd do it to my son, is because some women (probably a very small %) are grossed out by an uncirc'ed penis (and again, who gives a f*ck, he could find another woman), and because it's what I'm used to.

I really don't have a good answer, and I don't think it matters either way if you decide to do it or not.

CrazyCracka420: So to say it's a choice, is not being truthful, it's facetious. The reason? For the 8th time: the consequences and aftermath of circing a baby, is not the same as circing an adult.

Sure

but at that point its THEIR CHOICE

You were proposing that NOT doing it, takes away their choice.
They ONLY have a choice if you dont do it (see how that works yet ?)

At that point, most choose not to do it. (probably because its a painful, unnecessary, genital mutilation... and what sane person would volunteer for that).

Circumcising your kid, removes that choice.
If as an adult, you would be reluctant to do it, because of the pain, or the shear idiocy of it... why would you want it done to your defenseless baby boy ?!?

Jubeebee: While we're talking about cleaning up down there, I'm going to trim before I go out tonight. Normally I use the 1/2" guard, but I'm thinking about going down to 1/4". Farkette (or fabulous Farker) thoughts?

/this thread reminds me of TFD

My method: Shaft and balls shave with mach 3 in the shower, trim surrounding brush with scissors. I have thick hair in general, so clippers like to, um, not work very well.

This thread is bananas. B. A. N. A. N. A. S.

karooble: It's not erotic at all, but it's funny as hell as long as your partner's got a good sense of humor,

Just as long as you don't have a gas attack...

MemeSlave: How about you stop bum-farking chimps, and then you won't get teh AIDS?


Is it still ok for Michael Jackson to blow Bubbles?

Hmm. You know, in the last circumcision thread, I was firmly against it, stating that the pretense of maybe lowering the transmission of one STD out of many isn't a good enough reason to circumcise. I was rebuffed by people who thought that I was an idiot for wanting a better reason. Now it turns out that reason is full of holes too.

So, can we fade circumcision out now and just pass out condoms, or what?

/let's be honest, dicks look silly with or without a sweater
//and I wouldn't be dating you for the appearance of said dick in the first place

hockeyfarker: hockeyfarker: CrazyCracka420: antibiotics on the penis can cause yeast infections.

I did not know that. weird, wacky stuff.

on the other hand I've never had any "gouges" on my personal area

Well I mean like nicks (not gouges) from shaving. Sometimes I'll cut myself, but generally the nicks are from irritations. Bacitracin, or a similar topical antibiotic are great when you're shaving down there. But antibiotics kill the normal bacteria down there, and will cause a yeast infection, so I would make sure you wash it off real good.

hockeyfarker:
I think I speak for all men when I curl into the fetal position and rock back and forth after reading that

Hey, guess what ... if they weren't ragging on you for that they'd be ragging on you for something else - for being Irish or whatever (they probably did that as well, right?)

That's school.

There are some guys out there who have been mutilated in this manner and who are still unable to feel normal sexual pleasures(oral or penetration). This causes an unbelievable amount of stress and frustration because they don't feel normal and can't reach the goal of orgasm without an unnatural amount of stimulation. Keeping stiff without adequate stimulation is impossible also. Relationships are severely affected because women think they aren't stimulating their mates enough. Most kind women would at first say it isn't a problem, but in the end it always becomes a problem when their lust has disappeared and they expect what cannot be provided. Relationships always fail, life goes on, but never getting any closer to any sexual goals or experiences that most men have attained way back in their teens.

/I can haz my 50 thousand sensitive sexual nerve endings back... please? Just need to feel a pussy make me cum at least once so I can die happy - Is that too much to ask???
//Sexuality is a gift that religion likes to destroy
/// circumcision is not worth it, especially to the few who experience issues like infection and have their sexuality utterly destroyed.

Slartibartfaster: Circumcising your kid, removes that choice.
If as an adult, you would be reluctant to do it, because of the pain, or the shear idiocy of it... why would you want it done to your defenseless baby boy ?!?

Well, that's why I'm glad my parents made that choice, otherwise I wouldn't have.