Well, I suppose it's faster than FedEx.

Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

I can only hope that if Israel is stupid enough attack Iran that the U.S. stays the hell out of it.

Iranian posturing in 3...2...1...

These guys won't wise up, ever.

Playerslight: Well, I suppose it's faster than FedEx.

and should arrive just about as intact.

Hava nagila, baby!

This article needs a map.

/Not very good at geography.

What does Israel have against Nuclear Power?

Its a clean, efficient, carbon neutral, and safe source of energy.

Factoid: Your average coal power plant pumps more radioactive particles into the atmosphere than a nuclear plant.

And look at the Iran protests plummet...

/Mexico's refuge laws are quite nice
//Just saying

stuhayes2010: But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

Why?

Israel has nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?

This is 60 year old technology.

Too bad Mousavi will be making a visit to the nuclear site just as the missles are hitting.

fifth_of_november: What does Israel have against Nuclear Power?

Its a clean, efficient, carbon neutral, and safe source of energy.

Factoid: Your average coal power plant pumps more radioactive particles into the atmosphere than a nuclear plant.

Your average coal plant can't make weapons grade plutonium you troll.

How silly. Don't the Israelis know that the best course of action is to start a campaign on Twitter, encouraging users to change the color of their profile pictures? Now THAT will cause some real change.

stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

They might hit Power generating reactors, but any nuclear weapons programs are buried so deep underground they won't be able to get to them.

Iran is crazy, but not stupid

vernonFL: stuhayes2010: But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

Why?

Israel has nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?

This is 60 year old technology.

Well, no one should have them, including us. But especially people that will most definately use them. Even if they don't use them, they will export the bombs to those who will.

Wow! This is completely unprecedented! Surely the Iranians will get the message now.


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stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

just a quick FYI... last summer when we were threatening to do the same to iran they spent millions of dollars strike-hardening their nuclear "research" sites

so, now they have tons of strike hardened buildings and bunkers that will take 10 times as much effort to damage thanks to 140 dollar a barrel oil and all the profits iran was able to collect from it

btw, its missile...

not that it matters... Iran may just glow in the dark if Israel gets pissed

Cynical 0: Iranian posturing in 3...2...1...

These guys won't wise up, ever.

I agree with Israel's sentiments, but not with these actions.

With the political turmoil in Iran, this is the worst kind of ammunition for the existing government to use against people who genuinely want some change.

LittleSmitty: stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

They might hit Power generating reactors, but any nuclear weapons programs are buried so deep underground they won't be able to get to them.

Iran is crazy, but not stupid

No reactor means no weapons grade Uranium.

smerfnablin: stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

just a quick FYI... last summer when we were threatening to do the same to iran they spent millions of dollars strike-hardening their nuclear "research" sites

so, now they have tons of strike hardened buildings and bunkers that will take 10 times as much effort to damage thanks to 140 dollar a barrel oil and all the profits iran was able to collect from it

btw, its missile...

not that it matters... Iran may just glow in the dark if Israel gets pissed

Man, I've been misspelling that word for years then. Thanks.

stuhayes2010: vernonFL: stuhayes2010: But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

Why?

Israel has nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?

This is 60 year old technology.

Well, no one should have them, including us. But especially people that will most definately use them. Even if they don't use them, they will export the bombs to those who will.

No one should have a virtually unlimited supply of C02 free power?

stuhayes2010: Well, no one should have them, including us. But especially people that will most definately use them. Even if they don't use them, they will export the bombs to those who will.

Depends on who you are referring to when you say "us"

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stuhayes2010: LittleSmitty: stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

They might hit Power generating reactors, but any nuclear weapons programs are buried so deep underground they won't be able to get to them.

Iran is crazy, but not stupid

No reactor means no weapons grade Uranium.

You do realize you can create weapons grade uranium without a reactor, right? They have an assload of centerfuges enriching uranium as we speak

stuhayes2010:
Well, no one should have them, including us. But especially people that will most definately use them.

The only country to have "definitely" used nuclear weapons is the United States.

Even if they don't use them, they will export the bombs to those who will.

Yeah, just like Pakistan did. Oh, wait.

stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

Be careful. Now you (and the whole world) think Iran is working to develop nuclear weapons. However, sometime in the future, evidence may be found that Iran was not. At that time, the backbiting liberal media and conspiracy theorists (with perfect 20-20 hind-site) will forget any evidence, any UN resolutions, any consensus of nations based on the information at the time. They will just call you a cowboy, say you committed crimes (like intentionally lying to the congress, or the UN), and they will ask for your head.

vernonFL: stuhayes2010: But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

Why?

Israel has nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?

This is 60 year old technology.

I think the argument is that the people running the government of Iran at this time are a batshiat crazy death cult, and allowing them to possess weaponry that can wipe out millions of people and make large tracts of land uninhabitable for centuries is generally a bad idea.

Nothing like blowing up a church, hospital or school to get your point across, AMIRITE?!?!

kramers_hair: stuhayes2010:
Well, no one should have them, including us. But especially people that will most definately use them.

The only country to have "definitely" used nuclear weapons is the United States.

Even if they don't use them, they will export the bombs to those who will.

Yeah, just like Pakistan did. Oh, wait.

So, by your rational, should we just give them a few, just to level the playing field?

Just let them kill each other since they can't stand living on the same planet. Seriously, what's to save? Just build enough seating for a billion people in the Sahara, place the entire population of Israel and Iran at either end, and give them enough weapons to annihilate them all. The ticket sales alone for this event will solve world hunger, global warming, and still have enough to put the entire population of China on Mars (they like red anyway). Then you can have The Red Planet vs. The Blue Planet Wars.

/It's a Good Thing

vernonFL: stuhayes2010: But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

Why?

Israel has nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?


Because theocracies can't handle the responsibility of the latter.

This toaster, once launched into orbit, will detect and destroy any zionist missiles and aircraft. Yes, Mr. President it can fire Wheat, White or Pumpernickle slices at tremendous speeds.

Any other questions sir?

vernonFL: Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?

Because they are in the axis of evil

LittleSmitty
stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

They might hit Power generating reactors, but any nuclear weapons programs are buried so deep underground they won't be able to get to them.

Iran is crazy, but not and stupid

FTFY

stuhayes2010:
So, by your rational, should we just give them a few, just to level the playing field?

No, I'm saying that people are making claims without proof *or* precedent.

degreeless:allowing them to possess weaponry that can wipe out millions of people and make large tracts of land uninhabitable for centuries is generally a bad idea.

Weaponry that can wipe out millions of people and make large tracts of land uninhabitable for centuries is generally always a bad good idea
FTFY

Whoa! I read that as:

Israel may follow UN in sending strongly-worded memo to Japan, but they'll be sending it on a cruise missile.

motobvious: vernonFL: stuhayes2010: But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

Why?

Israel has nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?


Because theocracies can't handle the responsibility of the latter.

Seriously This. When the Supreme Leader is the 'voice' of a bloodthirsty god, it's not wise to give them things that make really big booms. Skulls for the Skull Throne etc etc.

ricktwig: stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

Be careful. Now you (and the whole world) think Iran is working to develop nuclear weapons. However, sometime in the future, evidence may be found that Iran was not. At that time, the backbiting liberal media and conspiracy theorists (with perfect 20-20 hind-site) will forget any evidence, any UN resolutions, any consensus of nations based on the information at the time. They will just call you a cowboy, say you committed crimes (like intentionally lying to the congress, or the UN), and they will ask for your head.

NO WAY that would ever happen.

vernonFL: stuhayes2010: But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

Why?

Israel has nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?

This is 60 year old technology.

Because Iran wants to use their nukes to poop all over Israel as they have said a million times before.

Israel doesn't like getting nuke pooped on....

kramers_hair: stuhayes2010:
Well, no one should have them, including us. But especially people that will most definately use them.

The only country to have "definitely" used nuclear weapons is the United States.

Even if they don't use them, they will export the bombs to those who will.

Yeah, just like Pakistan did. Oh, wait.

But Pakistan's possession married with constant political unrest means US dollars, politics and attention must be spent on that situation. Oh wait...Iran has all the same problems, but a worse government.

HoboSong: vernonFL: Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?

Because they are in the axis of evil

As defined by the most peaceful, happy, prosperous, and wonderful people on the planet, right?

ricktwig: stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

Be careful. Now you (and the whole world) think Iran is working to develop nuclear weapons. However, sometime in the future, evidence may be found that Iran was not. At that time, the backbiting liberal media and conspiracy theorists (with perfect 20-20 hind-site) will forget any evidence, any UN resolutions, any consensus of nations based on the information at the time. They will just call you a cowboy, say you committed crimes (like intentionally lying to the congress, or the UN), and they will ask for your head.

Sadly, THIS.

degreeless: I think the argument is that the people running the government of Iran at this time are a batshiat crazy death cult

Except that they're not... So much for that argument.

Israel may follow UN in sending strongly-worded memo to Iran, but they'll be sending it on a cruise missile

Please don't send it to their UN Mission, I work in the same building.

Perducci: As defined by the most peaceful, happy, prosperous, and wonderful people on the planet, right?

I would include "righteous" in that description, other than that it looks OK

LittleSmitty:
Iran is crazy, but not stupid
FTFY

And I do think we should give Iran some nuclear weapons. First of all, it would be the best thing since civilization to come out of that nuthouse. Secondly, it would level the playing field, literally.

You guys really assume that the Iranians are a batshiat crazy death cult, I don't believe it.

If they were, why wouldn't they have started WW3 already?

If they really wanted to they could have sent chemical weapons to Israel. If blowing up Israel is their goal, they could have done that years ago.

motobvious: kramers_hair: stuhayes2010:
Well, no one should have them, including us. But especially people that will most definately use them.

The only country to have "definitely" used nuclear weapons is the United States.

Even if they don't use them, they will export the bombs to those who will.

Yeah, just like Pakistan did. Oh, wait.

But Pakistan's possession married with constant political unrest means US dollars, politics and attention must be spent on that situation. Oh wait...Iran has all the same problems, but a worse government.

Define "worse". Iran's government is far more stable than Pakistan's.

Iran is far richer, healthier (etc etc etc) than Pakistan.

Perducci: HoboSong: vernonFL: Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?

Because they are in the axis of evil

As defined by the most peaceful, happy, prosperous, and wonderful people on the planet, right?

Uh...yeah, pretty much.

ricktwig: Be careful. Now you (and the whole world) think Iran is working to develop nuclear weapons. However, sometime in the future, evidence may be found that Iran was not. At that time, the backbiting liberal media and conspiracy theorists (with perfect 20-20 hind-site) will forget any forged evidence, any UN resolutions, any consensus of nations based on the information lies being told at the time. They will just call you a cowboy, say you committed crimes (like intentionally lying to the congress, or the UN) (which are crimes, even treason), and they will ask for your head.

FTFY
Still waiting for the investigations...

stuhayes2010: fifth_of_november: What does Israel have against Nuclear Power?

Its a clean, efficient, carbon neutral, and safe source of energy.

Factoid: Your average coal power plant pumps more radioactive particles into the atmosphere than a nuclear plant.

Your average coal plant can't make weapons grade plutonium you troll.

Neither can your average nuclear plant.

Who can blame Israel, they're still stuck with all the baggage from the last time Persia attacked.

Iran should have nuclear weapons. All they ever did was say they would wipe Israel off the map. I mean what the hell? Retards should have guns. Felons should have grenade launchers and I'm going to strap a shotgun to the back of my dog. Everyone has the right to have weapons regardless of whether or not they can handle them safely.

Crunch61: degreeless: I think the argument is that the people running the government of Iran at this time are a batshiat crazy death cult

Except that they're not... So much for that argument.

Oh? Are you talking about the same government we have been watching lately? The one that is beating people in the streets?

Let them do it. If they do, let them deserve any blowback they get.

War_Kittens: LittleSmitty:
Iran is crazy, but not stupid
FTFY

And I do think we should give Iran some nuclear weapons. First of all, it would be the best thing since civilization to come out of that nuthouse. Secondly, it would level the playing field, literally.

A level playing field is good. Since they are a signatory of the NPT, the only sticking issue is the secrecy of their nuclear program

degreeless: I think the argument is that the people running the government of Iran at this time are a batshiat crazy death cult

It's a pretty specious argument. The leadership of countries like Iran and North Korea are not crazy; inhumane and unjust, yes, but no less rational that anybody other country's leadership.

They understand as well as anybody that if they launch a nuclear assault against the countries they blame all their problems on, one of two things will happen:
1. when the problems don't disappear after the enemy has been smited, the people will see how they've been deceived, and rise up; or, more likely,
2. the countries they target and/or their allies retaliate, turning their homeland and everybody they've ever known or loved into a fine, meat-scented powder.

Reverend Otis: Wow! This is completely unprecedented! Surely the Iranians will get the message now.


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I think what we can get out of all of this is that Israel is an instigator and is essentially asking for it.

stuhayes2010: LittleSmitty: stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

They might hit Power generating reactors, but any nuclear weapons programs are buried so deep underground they won't be able to get to them.

Iran is crazy, but not stupid

No reactor means no weapons grade Uranium.

You don't make weapons grade Uranium (HEU) with a reactor. You generally use a centrifuge.

vernonFL: stuhayes2010: But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

Why?

Israel has nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

Why can't Iran have nuclear power or nuclear weapons?

This is 60 year old technology.

Because nuclear weapons kill large amounts of people with little warning, and Iran is the kind of country that would use them for exactly that purpose.

vernonFL: You guys really assume that the Iranians are a batshiat crazy death cult, I don't believe it.

If they were, why wouldn't they have started WW3 already?

If they really wanted to they could have sent chemical weapons to Israel. If blowing up Israel is their goal, they could have done that years ago.

That's just the thing. I don't really believe that's their goal. I believe the nuclear posturing is better for them than nuclear armament itself. It's politics. The world is waiting for an excuse to find fault with Israel. So, Iran postures...maybe sneaks a few women and children into the site areas...Israel strikes...the world gets angry with Israel again, just like it does everytime Israel defends herself...Arabs/Russians become indignant and ready for war...Europe and U.S. turn away in a cold, neutral political stance...voila. Israel gets screwed and Iran looks victimized. Classic tale. In fact, it's been told year after year in Lebanon and Palestine.

Sorry Jews...you're screwed no matter what you do. I wish the world didn't envy you so much.

kramers_hair: motobvious: kramers_hair: stuhayes2010:
Well, no one should have them, including us. But especially people that will most definately use them.

The only country to have "definitely" used nuclear weapons is the United States.

Even if they don't use them, they will export the bombs to those who will.

Yeah, just like Pakistan did. Oh, wait.

But Pakistan's possession married with constant political unrest means US dollars, politics and attention must be spent on that situation. Oh wait...Iran has all the same problems, but a worse government.

Define "worse". Iran's government is far more stable than Pakistan's.

Iran is far richer, healthier (etc etc etc) than Pakistan.

Easy and I already did. Theocracy = bad politics

motobvious: That's just the thing. I don't really believe that's their goal. I believe the nuclear posturing is better for them than nuclear armament itself. It's politics

It's the crafty mullahs figuring out Israel's achilles heel. Their sense of victimhood. You can goad them into doing anything easily if you determine and exploit this key part of their culture.

And it's sad that it's working.

An Israeli strike on Iran is in the best interest of the Mullahs alone. That's it. No one else benifits, and Israel loses even more "we're not as crazy as them" footing. (See: The most recent Lebanon incursion that did nothing.)

Israel is a dog on our chain and isn't doing shiat to Iran.

arbitrarily, lets give jamaica some nukes, and see what they can come up with.

motobvious: vernonFL: You guys really assume that the Iranians are a batshiat crazy death cult, I don't believe it.

If they were, why wouldn't they have started WW3 already?

If they really wanted to they could have sent chemical weapons to Israel. If blowing up Israel is their goal, they could have done that years ago.

That's just the thing. I don't really believe that's their goal. I believe the nuclear posturing is better for them than nuclear armament itself. It's politics. The world is waiting for an excuse to find fault with Israel. So, Iran postures...maybe sneaks a few women and children into the site areas...Israel strikes...the world gets angry with Israel again, just like it does everytime Israel defends herself...Arabs/Russians become indignant and ready for war...Europe and U.S. turn away in a cold, neutral political stance...voila. Israel gets screwed and Iran looks victimized. Classic tale. In fact, it's been told year after year in Lebanon and Palestine.

Sorry Jews...you're screwed no matter what you do. I wish the world didn't envy you so much.

So, this is the cunning strategy you're ascribing to the Iranians:

1) Spend billions of dollars and develop a nuclear program.
2) Sneak in civilians.
3) Goad Israel into attacking.

all so that "the world gets angry" with Israel.

Wow. Just, wow.

/Cause, you know, the world got really angry when Israel attacked that unspecified site in Syria.

anarchy_x: Because nuclear weapons kill large amounts of people with little warning, and Iran is the kind of country that would use them for exactly that purpose.

Iran already has missiles and already has chemical warheads. Plus I'm sure if they wanted to they could make conventional 'daisy cutter' type bombs.

If Iran really wanted to, they could launch a devastating attack against Israel tomorrow.

Why don't they?

vernonFL: If Iran really wanted to, they could launch a devastating attack against Israel tomorrow.

Why don't they?

They're chicken

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Persepolis: motobvious: That's just the thing. I don't really believe that's their goal. I believe the nuclear posturing is better for them than nuclear armament itself. It's politics

It's the crafty mullahs figuring out Israel's achilles heel. Their sense of victimhood. You can goad them into doing anything easily if you determine and exploit this key part of their culture.

And it's sad that it's working.

An Israeli strike on Iran is in the best interest of the Mullahs alone. That's it. No one else benifits, and Israel loses even more "we're not as crazy as them" footing. (See: The most recent Lebanon incursion that did nothing.)

Right. But to tell you the truth, if I were a Jew and I lived in Israel and my government allowed a blood-thirsty, lunatic fringe theocracy to obtain these weapons...and I'm not exaggerating here to make a point...I would literally assassinate my own leaders.

Seriously, no Jew should have to deal with that. So like I said, they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. I would strike and deal with the political fallout before cowering like little girls. Better to fight and die than to brace for impact.

kramers_hair: all so that "the world gets angry" with Israel.

That's just one of the many benefits for the mullahs also on the table:

1. Development of nuclear energy (which is something most, if not all, advancing nations want.
2. Regained public support at home. (The big one)
3. Sympathy from neighboring countries in the region.
4. Increased world debate on, "why are we supporting Israel anyway"

Again, this is in the best interest of the mullahs. They WANT to get hit. It helped them when Saddam did it in 80s, it'll help now.

Persepolis: The most recent Lebanon incursion that did nothing.

Actually, the recent invasion (call it what it was) of Lebanon did quite a bit -- it really reduced the reputation of the IDF in the eyes of the world.

Which is probably why Israel is going for quick and easy victories to rebuild that reputation -- attack Gaza, bomb Iran, who knows what else.

Dammit... we were doing so well. It looked like there was going to be peace for a while there. Then Clinton has to open her giant mouth and mug for the cameras and now THIS.

motobvious: Right. But to tell you the truth, if I were a Jew and I lived in Israel and my government allowed a blood-thirsty, lunatic fringe theocracy to obtain these weapons...and I'm not exaggerating here to make a point...I would literally assassinate my own leaders.

Don't forget, the origins of Chess is debatable, but it was further developed in Persia.

Sometimes you can force your opponent to make a move you know they WANT to make given the circumstances and how they act. Short term it makes them feel good, sometimes its their ONLY real move, but it'll mess them up in the long run. This is what they are doing.

The nuclear gambit.

Can we PLEASE just get WWIII over with, already?! Sheesh!



/tired of waiting
//headline made me lulz
///wolverines!

Persepolis:
4. Increased world debate on, "why are we supporting Israel anyway"

But this simply didn't happen when Israel bombed Syria's (alleged) reactor.

There was (essentially) no response from the international community.

HotWingConspiracy: Israel America is a dog on our Israel's chain and isn't doing shiat to Iran.

FTFY

thereisnospoon: arbitrarily, lets give jamaica some nukes, and see what they can come up with.

Second.

Perducci: How silly. Don't the Israelis know that the best course of action is to start a campaign on Twitter, encouraging users to change the color of their profile pictures? Now THAT will cause some real change.

One creme-filled donut for you sir.

/and one for me

kramers_hair: motobvious: vernonFL: You guys really assume that the Iranians are a batshiat crazy death cult, I don't believe it.

If they were, why wouldn't they have started WW3 already?

If they really wanted to they could have sent chemical weapons to Israel. If blowing up Israel is their goal, they could have done that years ago.

That's just the thing. I don't really believe that's their goal. I believe the nuclear posturing is better for them than nuclear armament itself. It's politics. The world is waiting for an excuse to find fault with Israel. So, Iran postures...maybe sneaks a few women and children into the site areas...Israel strikes...the world gets angry with Israel again, just like it does everytime Israel defends herself...Arabs/Russians become indignant and ready for war...Europe and U.S. turn away in a cold, neutral political stance...voila. Israel gets screwed and Iran looks victimized. Classic tale. In fact, it's been told year after year in Lebanon and Palestine.

Sorry Jews...you're screwed no matter what you do. I wish the world didn't envy you so much.

So, this is the cunning strategy you're ascribing to the Iranians:

1) Spend billions of dollars and develop a nuclear program.
2) Sneak in civilians.
3) Goad Israel into attacking.

all so that "the world gets angry" with Israel.

Wow. Just, wow.

/Cause, you know, the world got really angry when Israel attacked that unspecified site in Syria.

You're missing the key point, jumping to conclusions and hoisting hasty generalizations at me now. The Syrian ordeal occurred when there was an ally in the White House. It seems like nothing has changed, but the big domino that determines Israeli foreign policy is U.S. support. I don't forsee the same kind of support from this administration.

Persepolis: motobvious: That's just the thing. I don't really believe that's their goal. I believe the nuclear posturing is better for them than nuclear armament itself. It's politics

It's the crafty mullahs figuring out Israel's achilles heel. Their sense of victimhood. You can goad them into doing anything easily if you determine and exploit this key part of their culture.

And it's sad that it's working.

An Israeli strike on Iran is in the best interest of the Mullahs alone. That's it. No one else benifits, and Israel loses even more "we're not as crazy as them" footing. (See: The most recent Lebanon incursion that did nothing.)

If Ahmadinnerjacket and Khomeini continue to circumvent the will of the Iranian people, a neutralization of offensive nuclear facilities would be definitely justified and in the best interests of the Iranian people. The rest of the world does not want to see a nuclear-armed Iran (or Iran launch what I would call The Last Jihad), but are unwilling to send in the cruise missiles themselves. Therefore, to keep the middle-east from turning into a glass parking lot, the biggest target for said nuclear weapons would be the ideal force to neutralize said threat.

The average person on the ground in Tehran or Mecca (Hajj trippers aside) would recognize that, due to the domestic turmoil, weapons capable of causing millions of casualties in a single shot in the hands of the Guardian Council would be a bad thing, especially if they were ordered to be used on their own people.

/I don't think it will happen, but it needs to

kramers_hair: But this simply didn't happen when Israel bombed Syria's (alleged) reactor.

There was (essentially) no response from the international community.

Syria is not Iran, there are many differences between their nuclear programs, world scrutiny on the respective regimes and programs, the relations between Israel and said country, and the logistics of Israel bombing the two countries.

Simply put, it's different. Which part of the points I outlined (specifically the benifits to the mullahs) do you disagree with and why?

stuhayes2010: smerfnablin: btw, its missile...

not that it matters... Iran may just glow in the dark if Israel gets pissed

Man, I've been misspelling that word for years then. Thanks.

Heheheh, I think someone at the UN has a similar spelling issue. They keep spelling it missal (as in "strongly worded letter") instead of missile...

Persepolis: motobvious: Right. But to tell you the truth, if I were a Jew and I lived in Israel and my government allowed a blood-thirsty, lunatic fringe theocracy to obtain these weapons...and I'm not exaggerating here to make a point...I would literally assassinate my own leaders.

Don't forget, the origins of Chess is debatable, but it was further developed in Persia.

Sometimes you can force your opponent to make a move you know they WANT to make given the circumstances and how they act. Short term it makes them feel good, sometimes its their ONLY real move, but it'll mess them up in the long run. This is what they are doing.

The nuclear gambit.

I've thought this exact same thing since it was discovered that Iran was in development. Thus far, nothing has infringed upon that very strategy playing out. The pieces are all in place, especially now that Israel's only staunch ally is likely to make a shift in policy.

Excen: a neutralization of offensive nuclear facilities would be definitely justified and in the best interests of the Iranian people

As a supporter of the Iranian protests and one of the "iranian people", I disagree.

If Israel attacks Iran based on the intel and info we have now, I'd be vehemently anti-Israel. Possible for the rest of my life.

We're bullheaded like that. All people all. Being attacked by a foreign aggressor is a hell of a thing.

m2313: thereisnospoon: arbitrarily, lets give jamaica some nukes, and see what they can come up with.

Second.

Dynamite weed. Good shiat.
/Thirded.

kramers_hair: Persepolis:
4. Increased world debate on, "why are we supporting Israel anyway"

But this simply didn't happen when Israel bombed Syria's (alleged) reactor.

There was (essentially) no response from the international community.

Yep. And like I said, the balance shifted in Nov. '08.

rytheran: Crunch61: degreeless: I think the argument is that the people running the government of Iran at this time are a batshiat crazy death cult

Except that they're not... So much for that argument.

Oh? Are you talking about the same government we have been watching lately? The one that is beating people in the streets?

Who's talking about the United States? Or were you talking about the UK? Stay on topic.

motobvious: I've thought this exact same thing since it was discovered that Iran was in development. Thus

I mean seriously. If you're trying to build a nuclear weapon on the DL, why would you go out on a world stage and say/do the things iran has been?

Shoot, if you're so close to building and using a nuke, you'd play buddy buddy as much as you can.

No, they WANT Israel to strike. They KNOW this (fear, victimization) has been a staple of Israel life for thousands of years. And it's horrible that it's working so effectively.

Persepolis: kramers_hair: But this simply didn't happen when Israel bombed Syria's (alleged) reactor.

There was (essentially) no response from the international community.

Syria is not Iran, there are many differences between their nuclear programs, world scrutiny on the respective regimes and programs, the relations between Israel and said country, and the logistics of Israel bombing the two countries.

Simply put, it's different. Which part of the points I outlined (specifically the benifits to the mullahs) do you disagree with and why?

I definitely agree with (1) and (2), and mostly disagree with (3) and (4).

Saudi Arabia would be happy if Iran was bombed, Iraq would be split.

relevant to those who read:

Why won't Iran relocate the 30,000 Iranian Jews to every nuke site
/That's what I would do

motobvious: kramers_hair: Persepolis:
4. Increased world debate on, "why are we supporting Israel anyway"

But this simply didn't happen when Israel bombed Syria's (alleged) reactor.

There was (essentially) no response from the international community.

Yep. And like I said, the balance shifted in Nov. '08.

You overestimate the power of Obama.

kramers_hair: Saudi Arabia would be happy if Iran was bombed, Iraq would be split.

I agree with this. But they'll still all play the "poor Iran, boo israel" card.

Arab hatred for Iran is a constant. But you can still play for sympathy.

kramers_hair: motobvious: kramers_hair: Persepolis:
4. Increased world debate on, "why are we supporting Israel anyway"

But this simply didn't happen when Israel bombed Syria's (alleged) reactor.

There was (essentially) no response from the international community.

Yep. And like I said, the balance shifted in Nov. '08.

You overestimate the power of Obama.

Your faith in your friends is yours!



/whut?

drjekel_mrhyde: Why won't Iran relocate the 30,000 Iranian Jews to every nuke site
/That's what I would do

I would make a list of these Jews. That's what I would do. Then I'd prance around in black and white for the next 2 hours.

Persepolis: motobvious: I've thought this exact same thing since it was discovered that Iran was in development. Thus

I mean seriously. If you're trying to build a nuclear weapon on the DL, why would you go out on a world stage and say/do the things iran has been?

Shoot, if you're so close to building and using a nuke, you'd play buddy buddy as much as you can.

No, they WANT Israel to strike. They KNOW this (fear, victimization) has been a staple of Israel life for thousands of years. And it's horrible that it's working so effectively.

Furthering that horror is that I really don't know how many people have a handle on the logistics of Israel's current allies. I can't stress enough that if the U.S. does not support Israel militarily/politically, NO ONE WILL. If Obama says, "we don't support the actions taken by Israel and we're not getting involved" (and nothing about his past or character, nor any arguments I've encountered have persuaded me to think his reaction would be otherwise), do you really think England is going to send troops/money/weapons to Israel? Canada? France? Hell no.

Did somebody say, "theocracy?"
Go have a look at Rumsfeld's Iraq invasion briefing slides, mentally replace those Bible passages in English with Koran passages in Arabic, and then keep trying to convince yourself 'We" are any better than "Them."

And the US Air Force- you know, the ones who would actually be dropping those nukes- are the most Rapture-ready, Armor-of-God wearing, wannabe Crusaders of them all.

No one can be trusted with nuclear weapons- vicious, sadistic, selfish, shortsighted, territorial apes that we humans are, and the only sane thing to do is get rid of them all- but in a world where batshiat insane warmongering nations like the US and Israel already have them, wanting one's own nukes as a deterrent to invasion is not unreasonable.

kramers_hair: motobvious: kramers_hair: Persepolis:
4. Increased world debate on, "why are we supporting Israel anyway"

But this simply didn't happen when Israel bombed Syria's (alleged) reactor.

There was (essentially) no response from the international community.

Yep. And like I said, the balance shifted in Nov. '08.

You overestimate the power of Obama.

Lulz.

motobvious: If Obama says, "we don't support the actions taken by Israel and we're not getting involved

That's a big if though. It'll take a lot to make that happen.

Persepolis: kramers_hair: Saudi Arabia would be happy if Iran was bombed, Iraq would be split.

I agree with this. But they'll still all play the "poor Iran, boo israel" card.

Arab hatred for Iran is a constant. But you can still play for sympathy.

And c'mon...Saudi Arabia sees Iran as a threat to its influence in the area...but they don't hate them like they hate the Jews. There's no hate like Jew hate.

/hot as atomics

tedbundee: Reverend Otis: Wow! This is completely unprecedented! Surely the Iranians will get the message now.


Israel prepares to attack Iran - April '09 (new window)

Israel prepares to attack Iran - September '08 (new window)

Israel prepares to attack Iran - January '07 (new window)

I think what we can get out of all of this is that Israel is an instigator and is essentially asking for it.

Let's see what happens if we change the wording a bit...

Israel readies it's defense force to neutralize nuclear threat
or
Israel prepares for impending missile attack by Iran,
or
Iranian president pushes nuclear missile program; Israeli forces prepare defensive maneuvers.

and so on.

Even the titles of articles display a bias one way or the other. Remember, our own news services are just as likely to serve up disinformation as other sources. The difference is that most of our news will be subtly biased, instead of just outright lies.

OMFGHFSWTMFFWT: Did somebody say, "theocracy?"
Go have a look at Rumsfeld's Iraq invasion briefing slides, mentally replace those Bible passages in English with Koran passages in Arabic, and then keep trying to convince yourself 'We" are any better than "Them."

And the US Air Force- you know, the ones who would actually be dropping those nukes- are the most Rapture-ready, Armor-of-God wearing, wannabe Crusaders of them all.

No one can be trusted with nuclear weapons- vicious, sadistic, selfish, shortsighted, territorial apes that we humans are, and the only sane thing to do is get rid of them all- but in a world where batshiat insane warmongering nations like the US and Israel already have them, wanting one's own nukes as a deterrent to invasion is not unreasonable.

The wharrgarbl of your handle matches that of your post. And this is the only troll-snack you'll get from me.

Persepolis: motobvious: If Obama says, "we don't support the actions taken by Israel and we're not getting involved

That's a big if though. It'll take a lot to make that happen.

Look at his entourage and ignore all the b.s. excuses given for said entourage. The campaign is over, no one is trying to persuade votes, but the fact is that Obama has a lot of anti-Semite connections.

FTA The Israeli government has reserved the right to carry out a first strike on Iran's nuclear facilities if the country continues to defy the international community and spreads instability in the Middle East.

Carrying out preemptive strikes on other sovereign nations which haven't made hostile moves against you is a right? Where was this right when I was always getting in trouble for fighting with my little brother as a kid?

Emposter: Where was this right when I was always getting in trouble for fighting with my little brother as a kid?

You should have done a better job of lobbying your parents.

SUMMON TITSUMA

Rebuild the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, have Jesus and Mohammed come back at the same time, then nuke it all.

/then we will have peace

stuhayes2010: So, by your rational, should we just give them a few, just to level the playing field?

If they get nukes, I get some too. I'm tired of you farkers not taking me seriously.

Persepolis: motobvious: I've thought this exact same thing since it was discovered that Iran was in development. Thus

I mean seriously. If you're trying to build a nuclear weapon on the DL, why would you go out on a world stage and say/do the things iran has been?

Shoot, if you're so close to building and using a nuke, you'd play buddy buddy as much as you can.

No, they WANT Israel to strike. They KNOW this (fear, victimization) has been a staple of Israel life for thousands of years. And it's horrible that it's working so effectively.

So basically what you're saying is, Iran is pushing for a nuclear trollocaust.

kramers_hair: stuhayes2010:
Well, no one should have them, including us. But especially people that will most definately use them.

The only country to have "definitely" used nuclear weapons is the United States.

Even if they don't use them, they will export the bombs to those who will.

Yeah, just like Pakistan did. Oh, wait.

(Dr.) Kahn!!!!! (new window)

gorgor: Rebuild the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, have Jesus and Mohammed come back at the same time, then nuke it all.

/then we will have peace

I just got dumber.

motobvious: gorgor: Rebuild the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, have Jesus and Mohammed come back at the same time, then nuke it all.

/then we will have peace

I just got dumber.

Yeah me too, it's f***ing hot today :P

Most recent events will be posted at the top, and will be added in their place as events develop.

* leaders of the G5 met today in Ottawa, in preparation for next week's meeting at the temporary seat of the UN in Melbourne, Australia. Their main points of concern regard the clean-up of nuclear wastes in United Korea, Japan and Russian-Chinese border and how to end the rampant piracy and scavenging of European ruins by Northern African bands of outlaws. The leader of the G5, the honorable Chairman of China declared:"our priority will be to clean those areas least affected by the global conflict, as scientists are working toward finding ways to drop the levels of radiation and make the Middle-East and most of Europe clean enough for living again. I know that my fellow G5 leaders in Australia, the United States of Americas, Finland and New Zealand are fully behind this initiative"

* President Palin today held a conference from the new White House saying that "levels of unrests in the northern states were dwindling down," with only pockets of violence in the states of North Carolina and Alberta. She went on to say that "citizens here in Ottawa and all over the country realized that unlike the discourse held by radical, the United States had not forcibly annexed Canada and Mexico as a power grab of natural resources after the nuclear destruction of the 12 biggest population centers by Venezuelian nuclear weapons, and that it is in fact a move approved by the populations of the territories formerly known as Canada and Mexico. As soon as violence dies down, martial law will be lifted, the resettlement of populations will be stopped and equal rights will be granted to the new citizens."

Timeline

15th of July, 2013
*tolstoy so long its almost self-sentient*

gorgor: motobvious: gorgor: Rebuild the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, have Jesus and Mohammed come back at the same time, then nuke it all.

/then we will have peace

I just got dumber.

Yeah me too, it's f***ing hot today :P

I'll tell you what would be hot. How about if Jesus comes back as a women, say Dakota Fanning. Muhammed comes back as Sacha Baron Cohen. Just as they are about to fight their eyes lock and they start making out. Then there an awesome sex scene and monkeys come busting through the walls and start flinging poo at the unbelievers.

//who says hollywood is out of ideas

Good for Israel. If Mexicans were shooting rockets into Texas, we would kick their asses. I don't understand why libs get all twisted when Israel defends itself.

spacechicken170am: gorgor: motobvious: gorgor: Rebuild the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, have Jesus and Mohammed come back at the same time, then nuke it all.

/then we will have peace

I just got dumber.

Yeah me too, it's f***ing hot today :P

I'll tell you what would be hot. How about if Jesus comes back as a women, say Dakota Fanning. Muhammed comes back as Sacha Baron Cohen. Just as they are about to fight their eyes lock and they start making out. Then there an awesome sex scene and monkeys come busting through the walls and start flinging poo at the unbelievers.

//who says hollywood is out of ideas

Jesus as two women or more???
/fap

Tatsuma: Most recent events will be posted at the top, and will be added in their place as events develop.

* leaders of the G5 met today in Ottawa, in preparation for next week's meeting at the temporary seat of the UN in Melbourne, Australia. Their main points of concern regard the clean-up of nuclear wastes in United Korea, Japan and Russian-Chinese border and how to end the rampant piracy and scavenging of European ruins by Northern African bands of outlaws. The leader of the G5, the honorable Chairman of China declared:"our priority will be to clean those areas least affected by the global conflict, as scientists are working toward finding ways to drop the levels of radiation and make the Middle-East and most of Europe clean enough for living again. I know that my fellow G5 leaders in Australia, the United States of Americas, Finland and New Zealand are fully behind this initiative"

* President Palin Emperor Obama today held a conference from the new White House saying that "levels of unrests in the northern states were dwindling down," with only pockets of violence in the states of North Carolina and Alberta. She went on to say that "citizens here in Ottawa and all over the country realized that unlike the discourse held by radical, the United States had not forcibly annexed Canada and Mexico as a power grab of natural resources after the nuclear destruction of the 12 biggest population centers by Venezuelian nuclear weapons, and that it is in fact a move approved by the populations of the territories formerly known as Canada and Mexico. As soon as violence dies down, martial law will be lifted, the resettlement of populations will be stopped and equal rights will be granted to the new citizens."

Timeline

15th of July, 2013
*tolstoy so long its almost self-sentient*

FTFY, but the rest isn't impossible in the least.

I hope it remains in the jawjaw stage forever. We don't need another war. The *aggressive* wars in Iraq and Af-Pak are killing us.

Plus China and Russia have some big investments in Iran, so Israel may might ought to think twice. They've gone from begging us to do it to simply threatening it more. I'd say keep eyes wide open for a false flag op.

Hey, in MY post-apocalyptic alternate future, attractive middle-age women who like to fire assault rifles are President, and they invade our beady-eyed, lazy neighbours (and Mexico too)

If you don't like it, will you need to create your own? You betcha!

Tatsuma: Hey, in MY post-apocalyptic alternate future, attractive middle-age women who like to fire assault rifles are President, and they invade our beady-eyed, lazy neighbours (and Mexico too)

If you don't like it, will you need to create your own? You betcha!

Real good, then.

Hehe, Tatsuma is trying to instill fear in the western world so we would keep fighting their battles for them. If he wants to die so that he can play dressup and take other's land promised to him by G$%^&d, let him do it, but I personally (and my friends overwhelmingly, many of whom are jewish (at least partly) by origin, but all of whom are well-educated, white, liberal, well-earning cosmopolitans) would like to see Iran have a nuke just so that that mockery of a democracy they is not the only kid on the playground with it's uncle's BB-gun anymore, allowed to shoot out other kids' eyes when they tell him to f' off of their party to which he was never invited.

Seriously, that's the general sentiment around left-wingers in Europe, that's how much Israel has lost it's background here. Bear in mind that this is the same left-wing that embraced Israel in the sixties, the one that Israel would have never labelled anti-semitic when they were behind them.

See, Israel has the bomb, Israel threatened the US to use it and now Israel wants to decide who can have what. The sense of entitlement is even stronger than in this thread or as it is generally in the western world, which is saying something.

That corporatist, authoritarian, theocratic, oppressive, racist apartheid (South-Africa was a democracy for some, right?) really needs to eat some humble pie before they feel the urge to compromise with the masses they keep under oppression.

Israel will definitely use the bomb before Iran. Look at their histories. I've been to Israel, this is one of the main reasons for being so much scared of them. I've never seen any other nation being half that racist against any ethnic minority in the world.

Seriously, Israelis are scary psychos (yes, even worse then the russians), I wouldn't generally trust them with a machete.

HoKr: Hehe, Tatsuma is trying to instill fear in the western world so we would keep fighting their battles for them. If he wants to die so that he can play dressup and take other's land promised to him by G$%^&d, let him do it, but I personally (and my friends overwhelmingly, many of whom are jewish (at least partly) by origin, but all of whom are well-educated, white, liberal, well-earning cosmopolitans) would like to see Iran have a nuke just so that that mockery of a democracy they is not the only kid on the playground with it's uncle's BB-gun anymore, allowed to shoot out other kids' eyes when they tell him to f' off of their party to which he was never invited.

Seriously, that's the general sentiment around left-wingers in Europe, that's how much Israel has lost it's background here. Bear in mind that this is the same left-wing that embraced Israel in the sixties, the one that Israel would have never labelled anti-semitic when they were behind them.

See, Israel has the bomb, Israel threatened the US to use it and now Israel wants to decide who can have what. The sense of entitlement is even stronger than in this thread or as it is generally in the western world, which is saying something.

That corporatist, authoritarian, theocratic, oppressive, racist apartheid (South-Africa was a democracy for some, right?) really needs to eat some humble pie before they feel the urge to compromise with the masses they keep under oppression.

Israel will definitely use the bomb before Iran. Look at their histories. I've been to Israel, this is one of the main reasons for being so much scared of them. I've never seen any other nation being half that racist against any ethnic minority in the world.

Seriously, Israelis are scary psychos (yes, even worse then the russians), I wouldn't generally trust them with a machete.

If every faction in Europe and Asia was trying to genocide your race.... Im sure youd harbor no ill will towards them.

assclown

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name

If every faction in Europe and Asia was trying to genocide your race...

lol?

yea that was 2 different statements into one...

Not gud

Given how long they've been posturing about this sort of thing combined with the difficulties involved (distance + target being much more difficult than similar bombings of Iraq & Syria, where the targets were pretty much sitting in the open), I'll believe Israel will bomb Iran's reactor(s) when said bombs have actually fallen.

Tatsuma: Most recent events ...*

Well done, Tats, you magnificent bastard!

stuhayes2010: Usually I am not a big fan of Israel. But I can't wait for them to blow Iran's nuclear capabilities away.

What's Iran thinking? Didn't they see Isreal blow up Iraq's reactors in the 70's? (or was it 80's) Reactors are huge buildings with big X's on the roofs that say send missle here.

They're probably paying more attention to their own attempts to blow up the Iraqi reactor that didn't put a single bomb near the target.

do it.
bomb 'em.
get it over with.
obama needs a major distraction to ram his nationalized health care through.

stuhayes2010: Well, no one should have them, including us. But especially people that will most definately use them. Even if they don't use them, they will export the bombs to those who will.

citation needed...

yeah im asking you to prove to me with out a shadow of a doubt that they will use it..

what are we in some really f'd up tom cruise movie where like the future is predicted and people are guilty because its been seen ?

shut the fu(k up you fu(king troll.

And just because this is an Iran nuke thread - was a nuclear accident behind the resignation of the Iranian nuke chief (new window)??

The resignation was rather mysterious. We all kind of assumed it was because of the protests. While this new speculation is just that and totally unconfirmed, it has been confirmed that Iran is now blocking Wikileaks.

absoluteparanoia: I can only hope that if Israel is stupid enough attack Iran that the U.S. stays the hell out of it.

Hmmm... Did Iran stay out of our operation in Iraq? Payback is a biatch...

It's high time for Iran and the ME in general to start selling their oil in Euros or something.

See how long the ridiculous support for Israel lasts once the dollar collapses.

HotWingConspiracy Quote 2009-07-16 01:55:20 PM
Israel is a dog on our chain and isn't doing shiat to Iran.

////

Uh, yeah. Well I guess that explains the cruise missile technology and anti-missile systems that they have in their arsenal, huh. Dogs do bite sometimes.

If 2 million Iranians died, would anyone give a shiat?