drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Spoken like someone with minimal firearms experience.

Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun. A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

The setting is irrelevant. As much as post apocalyptic stuff intrigues me, which is a great deal, I'm still not going to watch. Because reality TV is as far from reality as possible. This show is not going to be about surviving with the remnants of mankind's technology in ruins; it's going to be about petty bickering and "who's farking who" on the show, just like every other "reality" show out there. I don't care about the little interpersonal squabble of the people, I don't care about voting off, I don't care about the stupid minigames they have to play to compete for bullshiat prizes and luxuries. So no thanks. I'll pass on this "reality" show just like all the rest.

Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Head to your local meatpacking facility for the chainmail.

/sometimes you learn useful things on Discovery Channel

Food for sex.
That's how we roll.

ronaprhys: I think it'd be more fun to take a group of average folks and drop them off on an island full of hidden cameras. Come back in a year and see who's alive.

When "Survivor" first came out, I let unbridled optimism get the best of me and I thought that's what it would be like. Needless to say, I was incredibly, mind-blowingly wrong.

bhcompy: MadAmos: Again with the shoulder brutalizing. If we're going with the "headshot to kill" zombie theory, a 5.56 works fine. Plus there are a variety of choices that do quite well to 400+ yards. The .308 is just too heavy for a survivor type person.

I still think carbines with pistol loads would be fine though. You're not going to want to shoot at z's that far a way lest you attract attention to yourself.

Worked for our service men for a long time. Guess proper usage makes a difference.

As far as 5.56, you have cost and availability to worry about. Are you going to raid an armory for an AUG or M16? Spend a thousand dollars on a single AR-15? You can goto any local sporting goods store and pick up a few dozen Garands, Kar98s, and Mosin-Nagants on the cheap(see them routinely for 100-200$). Garands, of course, being semi-automatic and the best option of the three. You need a weapon for distance and if they're closing in you need to get to safety and should be carrying a short range weapon(melee or otherwise) for GTFO, and it doesn't necessarily need to be a killing weapon, just incapacitation(makes a shotgun a great choice).

And if you're worried about attracting attention, you shouldn't be using a firearm in the first place.

Well, for just one or two that's what the cricket bat or other melee item is for. I've also got the bayonet for my AR-15. One other to toss on the pile, SKS's are nice and have the built in bayonet. Plus they make dandy club in their own right.

notauniquesnowflake: jdog71: Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Pole axe, katana and full body kevlar for me.

I'm betting on there being more men than women left alive and using my vag and boobies to my advantage.

I'm thinking your vag and boobies will be used to someone's advantage if there are more men than women left...but, sadly, that advantage won't be yours.

Supplemental: Any time they make a show about the bickering and relationships of the people instead of the actual content or goals, it turns to shiat. Like that stupid show they have about the 4 people trekking across Africa. I watched it once and the whole show was about them arguing about who's in charge. This will be no different and no better.

Luthiel: Metal armor is a) heavy, and b) noisy.

Heavy I can deal with - nobody said the apocalypse was gonna be easy! As for noisy, I'd bet it's not as noisy as a gun. Chain mail would work better than plate. Still heavy, but less noisy. You'll be in close quarters fighting, you want something you'll never need to reload and something to at least somewhat protect you from the zombies' attacks.

JesseL: A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Phrases like this are why I love zombie threads.

kevinfra

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

My problem with life after people was much more basic than that.

Why should I give a shiat what the hell the world is like after there are no people? Really what would be the point?

I'll just leave this here. Anyone interested in post epic fiction should check it out. Its a fantastic series.

Emberverse Series (new window)

jdog71: I'll just leave this here. Anyone interested in post apocalyptic epic fiction should check it out. Its a fantastic series.

Emberverse Series (new window)

ftfm

taurusowner: Supplemental: Any time they make a show about the bickering and relationships of the people instead of the actual content or goals, it turns to shiat. Like that stupid show they have about the 4 people trekking across Africa. I watched it once and the whole show was about them arguing about who's in charge. This will be no different and no better.

I'd consider that to be a real part of a 950 mile journey across Africa the hard way. Of course, they defined hard way by driving most of it in a Subaru.

Impudent Domain: kevinfra

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

My problem with life after people was much more basic than that.

Why should I give a shiat what the hell the world is like after there are no people? Really what would be the point?

The book was meant to be an examination into how permanent our mark on the world is. The question is purely hypothetical, what if everyone stopped what they were doing, got on a spaceship, and left the planet exactly how it was 5 minutes ago? It's not about people, it's about the world trying to go back to normal.

It's a good book, too. The bit about NYC subways was especially entertaining.

How about Stephanie Abrams and January Jones and . . . and . . .

Sir Vanderhoot: JesseL: A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Phrases like this are why I love zombie threads.

I always heard it as "A pistol in a gunfight is only good for getting a shotgun," "A shotgun is only good for getting a long gun."

Luthiel: MBarry: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutants, PSH, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions, or deathclaws, Badders, Wolfoids, Cryptic Alliances, Androids, or Death Machines it's not "reality."

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

/Came for the Gamma World references.
//Built them myself, as any good survivalist should!
///Anybody want to see my Hands of Power?

paygun: It sounds really dumb, sorry. I'm usually up for anything post-apocalyptic, but if it's a reality show then it's just another soap opera game show in a different setting.

Fixed

CygnusDarius: Episode 1:

Hey everybody, did the news get around
About a guy named Butcher Pete
Oh, Pete just flew into this town
And he's choppin' up all the women's meat

hot like the breath of Fafnir

Public Call Box: Luthiel: MBarry: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutants, PSH, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions, or deathclaws, Badders, Wolfoids, Cryptic Alliances, Androids, or Death Machines it's not "reality."

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

/Came for the Gamma World references.
//Built them myself, as any good survivalist should!
///Anybody want to see my Hands of Power?

Wow, I haven't heard mention of that or Boot Hill in forever. You got any spare black ray guns?

notauniquesnowflake:

I'm betting on there being more men than women left alive and using my vag and boobies to my advantage.

You need not wait for the zombie apocalypse for this strategy to be effective...

MrSteve007: I believe the original suggestion of the .22 is the ideal zombie killing round. Small, lightweight and plentiful. Sure, it may not have the same stopping power and distance as a .30-06 but it is much quieter to use. You don't want to be attracting zombies from a 2 mile radius from where you're shooting. The ability to carry hundreds of rounds easily shouldn't be overlooked.

/grandfather killed himself with a .22 to the head
//more than enough stopping power for zeds

That's a pretty weird post right there. I'm kinda speechless.

wh0mprat

There was a British show where they got people to live like iron-age Celtic villagers...the challenge was to keep themselves fed while they actually mined and smelted some iron. It was mostly unscripted and they nearly died the first night after somoene undercooked the chicken.

It was more "historical experiment' than reality show, but participants attitudes were still very much "I'm in an experiment", not "I'm going to starve if I don't kill something". Although they did have to slaughter their own animals.

I liked that show, I would like to see a lot more things like that, for instance, a large group of people with only bone and stone tools creating a Neolithic settlement from scratch. That would be a lot more interesting than some over scripted Survivor-like show.

Tastes Like Chicken: Luthiel: Metal armor is a) heavy, and b) noisy.

Heavy I can deal with - nobody said the apocalypse was gonna be easy! As for noisy, I'd bet it's not as noisy as a gun. Chain mail would work better than plate. Still heavy, but less noisy. You'll be in close quarters fighting, you want something you'll never need to reload and something to at least somewhat protect you from the zombies' attacks.

Since zombies tend not to use any kind of weapon I think I'd prefer armour made from plastic or some other composite. It would be lighter and quieter. Not to mention it won't rust.

Do they get catamites on dog leashes?

jdog71: jdog71: I'll just leave this here. Anyone interested in post apocalyptic epic fiction should check it out. Its a fantastic series.

Emberverse Series (new window)

You have one of my fave Cthulhu pics in your profile, so I may just check that out.

JesseL: drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Spoken like someone with minimal firearms experience.

Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun. A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Best way to get shot, get into a gun fight. Best way to avoid getting shot, avoid a gun fight. If you live in urban areas your hand gun is going to be your best weapon, and your weapon of choice. Most likely you will be up close and personal with your attacker.

I read this guy's blog once who lived in Brazil when his country had no power for months at a time. They had a country wide black out. No power meant lots of things weren't available and he went through times where the government actually started to deteriorate. He lived through a SHTF scenario and in his own words the country didn't crumble to chaos. People still went about their business. Bartering became a more common way to trade for goods and services. People traded with in their community but no one ran around with rifles or machine guns. He did say everyone typically was packing a hand gun.

He went into criminal activity later on in his blog and said that people were poisoning dogs, and breaking and entering homes with multiple people. While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters. I sure as hell wouldn't use my bolt action rifle.

You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

Tastes Like Chicken: Luthiel: Metal armor is a) heavy, and b) noisy.

Heavy I can deal with - nobody said the apocalypse was gonna be easy! As for noisy, I'd bet it's not as noisy as a gun. Chain mail would work better than plate. Still heavy, but less noisy. You'll be in close quarters fighting, you want something you'll never need to reload and something to at least somewhat protect you from the zombies' attacks.

With some appropriate padding and maybe even a small bit of UHMW, the noise level goes down dramatically. However, if you've got to make it post-ZA, you're in a bit of trouble.

Also, doesn't much of this also depend on how the disease is passed? Kevlar and other armors could allow for transmission of fluids and if there are scrapes/blisters or the like underneath, you could get infected. Same with all hand to zombie combat.

Stand off distance is nice. Maybe a streetsweeper if things get really close?

Or grenades and land mines. Claymore + zombie = gooey fun.

drunkenmidnight: Remmington 870 12ga pump with extras, and 12ga ammo is very widely available. Right now I am out but I could go to walmart and buy a ton of it. It seems that shot gun shells are the only widely available ammo these days.

Don't expect Wal-Mart to have a whole farking lot beyond birdshot right now.

I did find a crapload of .223 and some actual good 9mm yesterday though. 00? Fuggedaboutit.

Stuck in traffic, so heres my .02. "one second after" is a good book about EMP. Iphone kix butt in traffic.

Wont be watching.

Prof_Moriarity: If you like zombies and apocalypse type stories, and heck, are even bothering reading this far into the thread, you need to be reading Kirkman's AWESOME zombie epic.

The Walking Dead

With the possible exception of Romero's films, this is the absolute BEST zombie story ever. That is not an exaggeration.

He needs more fame.

Read it, you'll love it.
Trust me on this.

Spread the awesome zombie story goodness.

Quoted for truth. I'm a few dozen issues off the pace, but when I was reading it, it was outstanding stuff. Really does deserve a bigger audience.

MrSteve007: This is an interesting read - a little too nutty/religious in some parts, but interesting in others. Not quite zombie genre, but *very* survivalist. Very Idaho.

/the back has an exhaustive index of all the techniques involved
//including tactics on how to stage an attack on an M1A1


I read it. Yeah, I bought it on Rawles' book bomb day, too. Man, what a terrible, awful, horrible novel. Good to encourage survival thoughts, but horrible as far as an entertaining read.

If I could stomach going through it again, I'd make a chart for every character in the book with columns like good, bad, porn, weapon use education, christian, etc. just to see how ridiculously typecast (stereotyped?) every single "character" is.

But man, what a terrible book. And I'm a Christian prepper!

drunkenmidnight: JesseL: drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Spoken like someone with minimal firearms experience.

Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun. A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Best way to get shot, get into a gun fight. Best way to avoid getting shot, avoid a gun fight. If you live in urban areas your hand gun is going to be your best weapon, and your weapon of choice. Most likely you will be up close and personal with your attacker.

I read this guy's blog once who lived in Brazil when his country had no power for months at a time. They had a country wide black out. No power meant lots of things weren't available and he went through times where the government actually started to deteriorate. He lived through a SHTF scenario and in his own words the country didn't crumble to chaos. People still went about their business. Bartering became a more common way to trade for goods and services. People traded with in their community but no one ran around with rifles or machine guns. He did say everyone typically was packing a hand gun.

He went into criminal activity later on in his blog and said that people were poisoning dogs, and breaking and entering homes with multiple people. While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters. I sure as hell wouldn't use my bolt action rifle.

You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

I think you're thinking of a guy who was supposedly in Argentina, which was pretty conclusively debunked, as Argentina never got as bad as the guy was claiming. It read a bit like survivalist fan-fiction / survivalist slash-fiction.

big pig peaches: Since zombies tend not to use any kind of weapon I think I'd prefer armour made from plastic or some other composite. It would be lighter and quieter. Not to mention it won't rust.

I think if I could build it myself it'd be something like thin chain mail as a base (think like what shark divers wear) heavy tall combat boots, metal gauntlets/bracers, metal full-face helmet, and then plastic plating wherever weak points are. So probably something like football pads plus some kind of neck fortification on top of all that.

In a more "realistic" shtf scenario, I'd be hoarding guns and ammo like the rest of you. I'd trade my beer for other services if I found a small community.

emocomputerjock: Public Call Box: Luthiel: MBarry: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutants, PSH, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions, or deathclaws, Badders, Wolfoids, Cryptic Alliances, Androids, or Death Machines it's not "reality."

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

/Came for the Gamma World references.
//Built them myself, as any good survivalist should!
///Anybody want to see my Hands of Power?

Wow, I haven't heard mention of that or Boot Hill in forever. You got any spare black ray guns?

Used my last one on that Kamodos, but at least I have meat for a couple of years now. Here have a torc grenade.

/Old School TSR FTW

oddly, i am finally reading The Stand this month ...

Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies, it's not "reality."

My thought.

It kind of looks good, though. Sort of what "Survivor" ought to have been, without the drama queens and weird contests for immunity.

Yes but do they carry the flame?

huckleberg: oddly, i am finally reading The Stand this month ...

First half of that book I liked quite a lot.

drunkenmidnight: Best way to get shot, get into a gun fight. Best way to avoid getting shot, avoid a gun fight. If you live in urban areas your hand gun is going to be your best weapon, and your weapon of choice. Most likely you will be up close and personal with your attacker.

A handgun may be your weapon of necessity since carrying a rifle around all the time is a PITA, but if it's your weapon of choice you chose poorly.

A handgun is what you carry when you don't think you'll be getting in a fight. If you think there's a good chance that you will get in a fight, do something to change that chance. If you think you may get in a fight and you can't avoid it, you want a rifle.

drunkenmidnight: While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters.

Try doing some shooting under stress with the handgun and with the AK. Tell me which one you think is more likely to hit your target, and which one is more likely to provide a decisive hit.

drunkenmidnight: You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

I've already seen it several times.

ronaprhys: With some appropriate padding and maybe even a small bit of UHMW, the noise level goes down dramatically. However, if you've got to make it post-ZA, you're in a bit of trouble.

Also, doesn't much of this also depend on how the disease is passed? Kevlar and other armors could allow for transmission of fluids and if there are scrapes/blisters or the like underneath, you could get infected. Same with all hand to zombie combat.

Stand off distance is nice. Maybe a streetsweeper if things get really close?

Or grenades and land mines. Claymore + zombie = gooey fun.

Agreed. If I had to scavenge this it'd be tough. I do know where to find some SCA people though. I bet a sort of hodge-podge could be achieved that would have a similar result.

And yeah, if I could get my hands on some, my place would be surrounded with mines and pit traps and all manner of what-have-you nastiness.

When you say Street-Sweeper I think you mean a gun, but I think the vehicle would be cool too.

try fect taa daa: Stuck in traffic, so heres my .02. "one second after" is a good book about EMP. Iphone kix butt in traffic.

It isn't good. It's barely innovative. It's fun if you want a long list of every survivalist-wet-dream cliches in book form.

Worth the price though (which is free).

I stopped reading about half way through, just couldn't stomach the typical "we're religious prepared folk and we will win" attitude.

Amish Animal Scientist: drunkenmidnight: JesseL: drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Spoken like someone with minimal firearms experience.

Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun. A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Best way to get shot, get into a gun fight. Best way to avoid getting shot, avoid a gun fight. If you live in urban areas your hand gun is going to be your best weapon, and your weapon of choice. Most likely you will be up close and personal with your attacker.

I read this guy's blog once who lived in Brazil when his country had no power for months at a time. They had a country wide black out. No power meant lots of things weren't available and he went through times where the government actually started to deteriorate. He lived through a SHTF scenario and in his own words the country didn't crumble to chaos. People still went about their business. Bartering became a more common way to trade for goods and services. People traded with in their community but no one ran around with rifles or machine guns. He did say everyone typically was packing a hand gun.

He went into criminal activity later on in his blog and said that people were poisoning dogs, and breaking and entering homes with multiple people. While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters. I sure as hell wouldn't use my bolt action rifle.

You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

I think you're thinking of a guy who was supposedly in Argentina, which was pretty conclusively debunked, as Argentina never got as bad as the guy was claiming. It read a bit like survivalist fan-fiction / survivalist slash-fiction.

No I am very sure it was in Brazil, but the link now requires registration? The guy lived outside Rio De Jinero if I recall which would be in Brazil, plus it was Brazil that had the super long black outs

ronaprhys: However, this group seems to be cherry-picked as hell. I think it'd be more fun to take a group of average folks and drop them off on an island full of hidden cameras. Come back in a year and see who's alive.

I like the way you think.

Also, who here would enjoy "Celebrity People's Court"?

/The court ain't got time for no jibba jabba!

JesseL: Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun.



Aim for the heart, JesseL, don't forget the heart.

/how's your reload time?

Only tangentially related to the thread at best, I suppose, but...

Searching around zombie links, etc after reading "World War Z" I found someone had linked this little disturbing semi-animated comic book excerpt:

Shelter (link pops to YouTube)

Apparently it's some sort of "bonus feature" that was on the DVD of the "I Am Legend" movie with Will Smith. While that movie had some nice eye candy scenes, I wasn't really a fan (I hated the ending) - but this has nothing at all to do with the Will Smith story, it's just some other disturbing sequence that happens in New Delhi during the plague.

It's entirely possible I'm simply pussified, but I found it disturbing on a human level. Just can't imagine how horrible it would be for any of the characters, really.

Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Motocross boots, hockey or football pads and a goalie mask :)