hehe zombie survival thread...

OK here are my zombie guns

Mosin Nagant 91/30 near mint w/ 1,000 rounds of 7.62x54R

AK47 Chinese Norinco, I only have several hundred rounds at the moment, 7.62x39

9mm Ruger P89 about 800 rounds, 4 15round mags, solid and goes bang every time

Taurus Tracer .357 mag, I got a couple hundred rounds

Remmington 870 12ga pump with extras, and 12ga ammo is very widely available. Right now I am out but I could go to walmart and buy a ton of it. It seems that shot gun shells are the only widely available ammo these days.

bhcompy: buckler: Trees are free.

And what are you going to ignite with? Sure, you can burn down a forest to kill a bunch of zombies, but it's slow moving. You only have so much oil to fill that trench around your compound though.

Well, Ideally I'd have a constant fire burning in my fortified compound, so that'd be handy at all times. Here in the pacific northwest, there are plenty of pine trees, so my cohorts and I could spend some of our downtime harvesting pitch. Labor-intensive, but you'd really only ignite the fire-moat as a last ditch defense anyway. The zombies would still have to shamble thier way through my vast network of Rambo-like booby traps to get that far.

would like to show you how to survive

GoteamVenture: how does one find such a thing as zombie training in the real world?

i just get stuck with stupid VR missions

I'd like to go just for the range time and to poke holes in their training.

big pig peaches: I asked the same thing.

Obviously you've never seen someone who didn't scroll through a long thread before commenting on something.

Re: Hiding behind the car door from zombies

That was just a carbine class that used Zombie targets for fun. It wasn't really "Zombie Combat Training". Relax.

drunkenmidnight: hehe zombie survival thread...

OK here are my zombie guns

Mosin Nagant 91/30 near mint w/ 1,000 rounds of 7.62x54R

AK47 Chinese Norinco, I only have several hundred rounds at the moment, 7.62x39

9mm Ruger P89 about 800 rounds, 4 15round mags, solid and goes bang every time

Taurus Tracer .357 mag, I got a couple hundred rounds

Remmington 870 12ga pump with extras, and 12ga ammo is very widely available. Right now I am out but I could go to walmart and buy a ton of it. It seems that shot gun shells are the only widely available ammo these days.

Are you planning on staying put or having to move somewhere with all that? How much does all that ammo weigh?

Xaxor: Have you read 'The World Without Us'?

Reading it (well, a translation of it) now, and it's pretty good yeah.

scandalrag: I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

Haven't seen the show. But the book is clear that it's merely a thought experiment - all the people just disappear, for no specific reason. It could be the Rapture, it could be aliens taking them for a cosmic zoo, it could be anything, they just disappear (which is why the book doesn't assume the world left is EITHER neatly turned off the stove OR completely looted and burnt).

The interesting part is how so many of what we think of as monuments will be gone fairly soon, while more fundamental changes we've made to the world will leave their imprints forever (making polymers and moving plants/animals around being the main two).

MadAmos: bhcompy: JesseL: Yeah the Garand is great until you run out of en bloc clips because it spits them out all over the place, the oprod gets bent from using commercial ammo, you can't shoot accurately anymore because your shoulder has been hammered int hamburger by the pounding of .30-06, and you're overrun by zombies because 8 rounds at a time can't keep up.

Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

Again with the shoulder brutalizing. If we're going with the "headshot to kill" zombie theory, a 5.56 works fine. Plus there are a variety of choices that do quite well to 400+ yards. The .308 is just too heavy for a survivor type person.

I still think carbines with pistol loads would be fine though. You're not going to want to shoot at z's that far a way lest you attract attention to yourself.

I believe the original suggestion of the .22 is the ideal zombie killing round. Small, lightweight and plentiful. Sure, it may not have the same stopping power and distance as a .30-06 but it is much quieter to use. You don't want to be attracting zombies from a 2 mile radius from where you're shooting. The ability to carry hundreds of rounds easily shouldn't be overlooked.

/grandfather killed himself with a .22 to the head
//more than enough stopping power for zeds

Looks way more interesting that anything on the History Channel.

/All Hitler, all the time!

Was I the only one who shouted, "DON'T LET THEM IN, THEY MIGHT BE INFECTED!" at my computer monitor during the last clip?

because good is dumb: would like to show you how to survive

Can't wait for that...October 16.

emocomputerjock: Proving to us that as lame as we think things can get, someone is out there topping that.

Well in his defense, they probably told him to do that.

JesseL: As I said, my own choices are 5.56 NATO and 7.62 Commie.

I'll give you the 5.56 but the 7.62 is the same thing as the .30-06.

Crap, now I got sucked into a zombie discussion. F*ck.

wh0mprat: drunkenmidnight: hehe zombie survival thread...

OK here are my zombie guns

Mosin Nagant 91/30 near mint w/ 1,000 rounds of 7.62x54R

AK47 Chinese Norinco, I only have several hundred rounds at the moment, 7.62x39

9mm Ruger P89 about 800 rounds, 4 15round mags, solid and goes bang every time

Taurus Tracer .357 mag, I got a couple hundred rounds

Remmington 870 12ga pump with extras, and 12ga ammo is very widely available. Right now I am out but I could go to walmart and buy a ton of it. It seems that shot gun shells are the only widely available ammo these days.

Are you planning on staying put or having to move somewhere with all that? How much does all that ammo weigh?

Oh I don't plan on carrying all of it, I have guns for friends. Most of my friends don't own guns and I have several friends that are real close neighbors. They always say if SHTF they are coming to my place first. I always tell them they better come quick because I am out the second I hear of it.

I would take my hand guns over anything and everything else. because they would be the most viable. I am not going to pick anything off at a distance, though my rifle could be used for hunting.

Also, zombies are the least of your problems the living are more dangerous and they shoot back.

JesseL: bhcompy: Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

The P90 beats the crap out of the .22 or pistol caliber carbine that others have advocated.

My opinion is that .30-06 or 7.62x51/.308 are overkill for zombies (you just need enough to scramble their brains) and have too big a tradeoff in ammo weight and recoil.

As I said, my own choices are 5.56 NATO and 7.62 Commie.

Ammunition in 5.7x28 will be gone so fast as to make a FN57 or P90 a paperweight in a few weeks. I'm with you on the 5.56 though. Love my DPMS Panther. I wouldn't count out the carbine though, or even just the high capacity pistols in common calibers. Easier to shoot and clean for the less experienced people in your group.

MadAmos: Again with the shoulder brutalizing. If we're going with the "headshot to kill" zombie theory, a 5.56 works fine. Plus there are a variety of choices that do quite well to 400+ yards. The .308 is just too heavy for a survivor type person.

I still think carbines with pistol loads would be fine though. You're not going to want to shoot at z's that far a way lest you attract attention to yourself.

Worked for our service men for a long time. Guess proper usage makes a difference.

As far as 5.56, you have cost and availability to worry about. Are you going to raid an armory for an AUG or M16? Spend a thousand dollars on a single AR-15? You can goto any local sporting goods store and pick up a few dozen Garands, Kar98s, and Mosin-Nagants on the cheap(see them routinely for 100-200$). Garands, of course, being semi-automatic and the best option of the three. You need a weapon for distance and if they're closing in you need to get to safety and should be carrying a short range weapon(melee or otherwise) for GTFO, and it doesn't necessarily need to be a killing weapon, just incapacitation(makes a shotgun a great choice).

And if you're worried about attracting attention, you shouldn't be using a firearm in the first place.

wh0mprat: MadAmos: Carbine in .40SW is the way to go. Effective to nearly 100 yards, low recoil comparatively. Lots of ammunition from law enforcement stocks during the breakdown.

I've fired the Beretta CX4Storm a few times. Is that the sort of thing you're thinking of?

Personally I just like the AR-15, althoug I can't offer any solid reasons for it.

That's one. Kel-Tec makes one as well as the much maligned HiPoint. The Barreta probably shoots the nicest.

The Kel-Tec has an advantage of using Glock magazines, which means it accepts the 30rnd ones.

bhcompy: MadAmos: Again with the shoulder brutalizing. If we're going with the "headshot to kill" zombie theory, a 5.56 works fine. Plus there are a variety of choices that do quite well to 400+ yards. The .308 is just too heavy for a survivor type person.

I still think carbines with pistol loads would be fine though. You're not going to want to shoot at z's that far a way lest you attract attention to yourself.

Worked for our service men for a long time. Guess proper usage makes a difference.

As far as 5.56, you have cost and availability to worry about. Are you going to raid an armory for an AUG or M16? Spend a thousand dollars on a single AR-15? You can goto any local sporting goods store and pick up a few dozen Garands, Kar98s, and Mosin-Nagants on the cheap(see them routinely for 100-200$). Garands, of course, being semi-automatic and the best option of the three. You need a weapon for distance and if they're closing in you need to get to safety and should be carrying a short range weapon(melee or otherwise) for GTFO, and it doesn't necessarily need to be a killing weapon, just incapacitation(makes a shotgun a great choice).

And if you're worried about attracting attention, you shouldn't be using a firearm in the first place.

because good is dumb: would like to show you how to survive

He's said that's probably the last movie he's going to do...

bhcompy: Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.

The advantages of the .22LR in the zombie scenario:

1) Plenty of ammo available
2) Stopping power - the M1 may have more traditional stopping power, but since killing zombies requires head shots, a 22LR is about the same as any other round.
3) Less recoil. Important where there are hundreds of zombies to kill
4) Lighter. Thousands of rounds of .22 weighs about the same as hundereds of rounds of other ammo. Again, we're talking lots of zombies, so volume is important

jdog71: because good is dumb: would like to show you how to survive

Can't wait for that...October 16.

Yep, finished reading the book a month ago, so I'm looking forward to seeing the movie.

Tat'dGreaser: Well in his defense, they probably told him to do that.

As I said, it wasn't really a zombie class. Just a carbine class. A good one too. Very educational and fun.

Tat'dGreaser: I'll give you the 5.56 but the 7.62 is the same thing as the .30-06.

Uh no. Almost the same diameter bullet, but the 7.62x39 is much smaller overall than the .30-06 (7.62x63).

MrSteve007: I believe the original suggestion of the .22 is the ideal zombie killing round. Small, lightweight and plentiful. Sure, it may not have the same stopping power and distance as a .30-06 but it is much quieter to use. You don't want to be attracting zombies from a 2 mile radius from where you're shooting. The ability to carry hundreds of rounds easily shouldn't be overlooked.

I have wondered if the smaller round would do enough damage to the brain. If so, I'll take my scoped ruger .22 with it's hilariously large ammo capacity. You can peg stuff all day long with that thing.

JesseL: bhcompy: Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

The P90 beats the crap out of the .22 or pistol caliber carbine that others have advocated.

My opinion is that .30-06 or 7.62x51/.308 are overkill for zombies (you just need enough to scramble their brains) and have too big a tradeoff in ammo weight and recoil.

As I said, my own choices are 5.56 NATO and 7.62 Commie.

One also needs to think long term. How long before the zombies aren't an issue? Do they magically live forever or does the lack of nutrients cause them to die or decay to the point of not being a threat? At some point, you'll need to hunt and probably exit urban areas (just to mitigate the number of threats you're facing and get better access to food and water). Given that, having a more powerful hunting rifle is likely a good thing. Prey can be dropped at longer ranges and predators may or may not stop coming based on your rounds of choice. I'd recommend getting a Unimog. Properly equipped you can probably get out of Dodge without too much problem from the zeds. You can also carry a goodly amount of supplies and armaments, sleep in relative piece, etc.

Another alternative is to have several friends with very capable vehicles and a designated meeting point. Don't have one person in charge of all food, but do hand out primary, secondary, and tertiary responsibilities - as well as having everyone plan for themselves. That way you can have a good mix of skills, equipment, and personalities to live through the ordeal.

Unless they're armed. Then you've got issues.

kevinfra: bhcompy: Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.

The advantages of the .22LR in the zombie scenario:

1) Plenty of ammo available
2) Stopping power - the M1 may have more traditional stopping power, but since killing zombies requires head shots, a 22LR is about the same as any other round.
3) Less recoil. Important where there are hundreds of zombies to kill
4) Lighter. Thousands of rounds of .22 weighs about the same as hundereds of rounds of other ammo. Again, we're talking lots of zombies, so volume is important

And I agree, but I was responding to the person that brought up a submachine gun with proprietary ammo to the discussion because it had more stopping power than a 22, and various others spent the thread deriding 22s.

I thought the Science Channel was going to save us with their Ecopolis series.

This is an interesting read - a little too nutty/religious in some parts, but interesting in others. Not quite zombie genre, but *very* survivalist. Very Idaho.



/the back has an exhaustive index of all the techniques involved
//including tactics on how to stage an attack on an M1A1

Tat'dGreaser: buckler: Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

Paper zombies, even.

Unarmed paper zombies. What are they teaching at this so called camp!?!


It's a 're-education' camp.

drunkenmidnight: wh0mprat: drunkenmidnight: hehe zombie survival thread...

OK here are my zombie guns

Mosin Nagant 91/30 near mint w/ 1,000 rounds of 7.62x54R

AK47 Chinese Norinco, I only have several hundred rounds at the moment, 7.62x39

9mm Ruger P89 about 800 rounds, 4 15round mags, solid and goes bang every time

Taurus Tracer .357 mag, I got a couple hundred rounds

Remmington 870 12ga pump with extras, and 12ga ammo is very widely available. Right now I am out but I could go to walmart and buy a ton of it. It seems that shot gun shells are the only widely available ammo these days.

Are you planning on staying put or having to move somewhere with all that? How much does all that ammo weigh?

Oh I don't plan on carrying all of it, I have guns for friends. Most of my friends don't own guns and I have several friends that are real close neighbors. They always say if SHTF they are coming to my place first. I always tell them they better come quick because I am out the second I hear of it.

I would take my hand guns over anything and everything else. because they would be the most viable. I am not going to pick anything off at a distance, though my rifle could be used for hunting.

Also, zombies are the least of your problems the living are more dangerous and they shoot back.

I got a bit into the survivalist mindset after reading Neil Strauss' book. I like the idea of a bug-out bag and bug-out vehicle capable of real offroad driving (well, farmer's fields, highway medians and ditches), 5 days' food and water for every member of your family, etc.

As stated before... the best dwelling to survive a zombie attack is a strip joint. Why?- No windows for the zombies to break through.

That is just good thinkin' right there.

Came here for the Fallout references. Satisfied.

//been playing Fallout 1 and 2 since Sunday.
//WOW is combat hard.

drjekel_mrhyde: Zombie attack caught on infared
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How the fark do cold, dead zombie corpses show up on infrared??

/Just sayin'

eggrolls: drjekel_mrhyde: Zombie attack caught on infared
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How the fark do cold, dead zombie corpses show up on infrared??

/Just sayin'

Shouldn't they freeze solid in winter? If they don't...they're generating heat!

/Come to Canada! Eat some beaver!

A 'reality' show with a contrived set of challenges. If it were a genuine experiment, that would be sweet, like the famous stanford prison experiment.

I can't see it working, because of the litigious culture we live in. The only way to make it real is to take away peoples basic rights.

The set-up involves outsiders and such, meaning it's turned into a scripted performance, entertainment - not a survival experiment.

this and the fact that I'd have to watch morons with marginal living and social skills piss me off with their incompetence.

/wharrgarbl

So long as I'm not stuck in Topeka.

/Or Point Lookout, for that matter.

bhcompy: As far as 5.56, you have cost and availability to worry about. Are you going to raid an armory for an AUG or M16? Spend a thousand dollars on a single AR-15? Spend a thousand dollars on a single AR-15? You can goto any local sporting goods store and pick up a few dozen Garands, Kar98s, and Mosin-Nagants on the cheap(see them routinely for 100-200$). Garands, of course, being semi-automatic and the best option of the three.

I paid somewhere around $700 for my AR and about $350 for my AK. Ammo is at all the local sporting goods stores and cheaper than .30-06, 7.62x54R, or 8x57JS.

The WWI-II era battle rifles are a lot of fun; but they are also heavy, slow to reload, and in the case of the Garand touchy about ammo and not as cheap as you think ($495 for the cheapest from the CMP).

MrSteve007: This is an interesting read - a little too nutty/religious in some parts, but interesting in others. Not quite zombie genre, but *very* survivalist. Very Idaho.



/the back has an exhaustive index of all the techniques involved
//including tactics on how to stage an attack on an M1A1

It's one of the most-requested books in public libraries right now.

/librarian

andygump: A 'reality' show with a contrived set of challenges. If it were a genuine experiment, that would be sweet, like the famous stanford prison experiment.

I can't see it working, because of the litigious culture we live in. The only way to make it real is to take away peoples basic rights.

The set-up involves outsiders and such, meaning it's turned into a scripted performance, entertainment - not a survival experiment.

this and the fact that I'd have to watch morons with marginal living and social skills piss me off with their incompetence.

/wharrgarbl

There was a British show where they got people to live like iron-age Celtic villagers...the challenge was to keep themselves fed while they actually mined and smelted some iron. It was mostly unscripted and they nearly died the first night after somoene undercooked the chicken.

It was more "historical experiment' than reality show, but participants attitudes were still very much "I'm in an experiment", not "I'm going to starve if I don't kill something". Although they did have to slaughter their own animals.

It's been awhile, but the SKS is a pretty good rifle here, just somewhat slow to reload if you don't have the 30rd mags.

Also worth noting is that making a silencer isn't difficult. Illegal, but not difficult. Since you're going to be in a world full of zeds, I'm not thinking that illegal is going to be a concern.

A length of threaded pipe. Old bottle caps stacked inside of said pipe. Bit of a longer barrel to thread it on.

Viola.

No, you didn't hear that from me.

The problem is that I suspect they will skirt around one big issue - reproduction to maintain the species. Sure, they'll deal with finding food, building shelter, etc. but anything to do with sex will probably be avoided.

Davon: Was I the only one who shouted, "DON'T LET THEM IN, THEY MIGHT BE INFECTED!" at my computer monitor during the last clip?

You were not alone.

Also, with the promise of attacking gangs and such, do they really expect us to believe weapons will actually be used? It's a TV show; maybe they'll sustain some accidental injuries here or there but I highly doubt they'd be allowed to beat other humans with real weapons.

bhcompy: kevinfra: bhcompy: Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.

The advantages of the .22LR in the zombie scenario:

1) Plenty of ammo available
2) Stopping power - the M1 may have more traditional stopping power, but since killing zombies requires head shots, a 22LR is about the same as any other round.
3) Less recoil. Important where there are hundreds of zombies to kill
4) Lighter. Thousands of rounds of .22 weighs about the same as hundereds of rounds of other ammo. Again, we're talking lots of zombies, so volume is important

And I agree, but I was responding to the person that brought up a submachine gun with proprietary ammo to the discussion because it had more stopping power than a 22, and various others spent the thread deriding 22s.

.22LR works great, on small stuff.

//Humans is big stuff.
//So Zombies is big stuff too.
//an Zombies don't exist.
//...but if they did, no one knows if head shots are enough.
//Get a shotgun.

wh0mprat:

There was a British show where they got people to live like iron-age Celtic villagers...the challenge was to keep themselves fed while they actually mined and smelted some iron. It was mostly unscripted and they nearly died the first night after somoene undercooked the chicken.

It was more "historical experiment' than reality show, but participants attitudes were still very much "I'm in an experiment", not "I'm going to starve if I don't kill something". Although they did have to slaughter their own animals.

There were a bunch of shows on PBS here in the States called "____ House" like "Colonial House" that did the exact same thing. Most of the groups did a good job of participating in the experiments, but the Ranch House group women just gave up and sat around in their petticoats and corsets while the men whined about the food and got biatch-slapped.

wh0mprat: There was a British show where they got people to live like iron-age Celtic villagers...the challenge was to keep themselves fed while they actually mined and smelted some iron. It was mostly unscripted and they nearly died the first night after somoene undercooked the chicken.

It was more "historical experiment' than reality show, but participants attitudes were still very much "I'm in an experiment", not "I'm going to starve if I don't kill something". Although they did have to slaughter their own animals.

I saw that one. They definitely struggled. Oddly enough, I think that's what would happen to most groups. They'd struggle and die because they've not done this for real before. It's one thing for me to do a little blacksmithing, if I was so inclined. It's completely different for me to make my own charcoal, find my own iron-bearing rocks, smelt it down, and actually make something. Right now all I'd need is a torch, hammers, an anvil, and some stock.

Same with pretty much anything else when you've got to make everything from scratch. Someone might be an incredible seamstress - but what if they don't have any needles or thread?

However, this group seems to be cherry-picked as hell. I think it'd be more fun to take a group of average folks and drop them off on an island full of hidden cameras. Come back in a year and see who's alive.

In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Pole axe, katana and full body kevlar for me.

drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

There are bunches of strategies here. Find one that works well for your surroundings, skills, and equipment. Getting the hell out of Dodge and to the boonies sounds great, if you ask me. You've got an issue with locals who may or may not see you as a threat and sure as hell know the terrain better than you, but if you've got something of value they're more likely to not just off you and take it. Just make sure you negotiate on your terms and don't do anything to piss anyone off first.

jdog71: Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Pole axe, katana and full body kevlar for me.

I'm betting on there being more men than women left alive and using my vag and boobies to my advantage.

Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Metal armor is a) heavy, and b) noisy.

I can't believe I'm the first...

/hot hot hot