JesseL: Luthiel: Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

I agree. Even against zeds, .22 LR has some serious shortcomings. Poor reliability compared to centerfire rounds, poor range, and poor penetration.

Personally, I think the the FN P90, FiveseveN, and the 5.7x28mm round they fire were specifically designed as anti-zombie weapons. They're lousy for shooting live people, but just right for taking on zombie hordes. All that marketing chatter from Fabrique National about personal defense weapons against armored assailants is just a ruse to avoid alerting the public to the zombie threat.

I'd hate to be stuck scavenging for 5.7mm ammo in a post-apocalyptic situation, though. .22 LR may not be the best round for the situation, but at least it's easy to come by. Personally, I'd pick a carbine chambered for 9mm or .45 as my weapon for the zombie uprising.

Everybody knows the first thing you scavenge is guns, ammo, hand weapons, water and food. Then you secure your shelter, secure your supplies, insure sanitation, establish a militia, and form a community. Power, showers, and other niceties come later not first.

Amen to this. Maybe a toss up between weapons and food FIRST, but the other one is a close second. Once you have protection, you can handle security and scavaging abilities. You can do ALL of this with candles / fires / torches, and stinking a bit... or move your camp once you have security to an area with flowing water and you can bathe... showers..really?? And then HOT showers? They won't be able to survive without the internets...that'll be a requirement episode one, season 2.

make them hunt game and field dress it for food...

btw, did the "motorcycle thug" get a board with a nail in it to the head? In my compound, if he was a thug, we put him in the slowcooker until he's tender.

Not to be confused with their post-apocalyptic "Hey look all the humans died, lets see what happens to the animals while the atmosphere goes to pieces over several centuries" tv show

Cordoned off in a downtown Los Angeles warehouse, they must secure shelter,

I would think it would be very hard to find shelter in a warehouse...

Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.


good for stopping nazis and zombies.
though...if your going up against zombies short range is inevitable...shotgun is probably more trustworthy

DiabloCanyonOne: I just hope there's no voting. Then all the skilled and talented people get voted off first because they're the biggest threat.

I hope the weakest ones get surreptitiously snatched out of the compound by the Discovery Channel and then the Discovery Channel denies to the ones still left that they snatched them.

JapethMarvel: This guy will be just fine.

Well, as long as he stays away from the kids.

/oblig
//hot like the nevada desert

Those were my best bowlers...the one with the four eyes will be hard to defeat.

Luthiel: JesseL: Luthiel: Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

I agree. Even against zeds, .22 LR has some serious shortcomings. Poor reliability compared to centerfire rounds, poor range, and poor penetration.

Personally, I think the the FN P90, FiveseveN, and the 5.7x28mm round they fire were specifically designed as anti-zombie weapons. They're lousy for shooting live people, but just right for taking on zombie hordes. All that marketing chatter from Fabrique National about personal defense weapons against armored assailants is just a ruse to avoid alerting the public to the zombie threat.

I'd hate to be stuck scavenging for 5.7mm ammo in a post-apocalyptic situation, though. .22 LR may not be the best round for the situation, but at least it's easy to come by. Personally, I'd pick a carbine chambered for 9mm or .45 as my weapon for the zombie uprising.

.308, bam bam bam bam bam. Fairly popular ammo, 7.62x51 NATO. I got a crate of 1160 rounds from an Eastern Europe military surplus, 1980's, fires fine.

Fitty?

I would pay to be on this show. Like, I would use all my vacation time for the year and do this instead of going to the beach.

Psumek: jondiced: buckler: jondiced: Why yes, a cross section of society does include 4 engineers and a doctor for every 10 people!

/I like the IBM dude

Does that include train engineers and doctors of philosophy?

I kant imagine that it does.

It'll be more like four sales people and an IT guy.

/not sure who is more useless in the post-apocalypse world...Sales or IT

My money's on marketing staff. Hell, they're useless in this world.

GoteamVenture: good for stopping nazis and zombies.
though...if your going up against zombies short range is inevitable...shotgun is probably more trustworthy

Of course, but you're not going to use any rifle at short range other than as a bludgeoning device.

Walker: lajimi: Discovery seems to be getting a little creepy.

Not as creepy as TLC, which is now the midgets and freaks channel. Oh wait, they are owned by Discovery. So yes, Discovery is getting creepy.

Brigette should get her own show.

/giggity

sparrow794: Zombie Hitler: eas81: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

Life after People is the craziest show on TV. It makes zero sense.

It makes perfect sense. It's porn for environmentalists. What could possibly be better than a world with no people?

Guess you never watched the show then. They go into great detail explaining how within a month the Earth would be trashed if we didn't maintain or shutdown our currently operating systems - nuke plants, refineries, chemical depots, etc.

For the most part, they were attempting to recreate this book in TV form and did ok.

Dogmeat, find me some ratings... *BARK BARK*

brap: Xaxor: Oh, it's a reality show. I was going to say that History already had 'Life After People' running. People won't be everywhere after all.

I'm completely addicted to that show and I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe it helps me cope with my own inevitable structural failure.

I can't watch or describe that show without the word "fascinating" creeping through at least five times. I find it intriguing... and fascinating.

/likes watching their computer images of destruction
//comparisons to current urban decay are shocking

bhcompy: Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.

Yeah the Garand is great until you run out of en bloc clips because it spits them out all over the place, the oprod gets bent from using commercial ammo, you can't shoot accurately anymore because your shoulder has been hammered int hamburger by the pounding of .30-06, and you're overrun by zombies because 8 rounds at a time can't keep up.

Luthiel: I'd hate to be stuck scavenging for 5.7mm ammo in a post-apocalyptic situation, though. .22 LR may not be the best round for the situation, but at least it's easy to come by. Personally, I'd pick a carbine chambered for 9mm or .45 as my weapon for the zombie uprising.

I agree, for an individual trying to prepare for the zombie apocalypse; the logistics of obtaining 5.7x28 suck.

For someone (government, large corporation, or billionaire) putting together a well funded anti-zombie team, the 5.7 may be a worthwhile option.

For me, it's 5.56/.223 backed by 7.62x39. Pistol calibers are for pistols.

I'd have to go with a model 870 and a 1911a1. Proven, rugged stopping power.

stuhayes2010: Is the show being filmed in Detroit?

That took long enough.

bleeorg: Dogmeat, find me some ratings... *BARK BARK*



Dogmeat?

Psumek: jdog71: kevinfra: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

The show is called "Life After People." It doesn't even address how it happens, just that suddenly people are gone and looks at what happens next - mostly in terms of infrastructure.

I assume there are viruses that only affect humans...anyone know the answer to that? I'm too lazy to google infectious diseases at the moment. They probably skip the 'decaying corpses' episode because they would be quickly devoured by the house-pets and random wild animals.

They don't; they just disappear. It's like the rapture. Wake up one morning and we all just went up to Jesus.

If you want a good twist on the apocalypse based on the Rapture. If you can find it, pick up a RPG called "The End". The Rapture happens. God takes his share, Satan take his, and those who sat on the fence are left behind.

Thunderpipes: Luthiel: JesseL: Luthiel: Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

I agree. Even against zeds, .22 LR has some serious shortcomings. Poor reliability compared to centerfire rounds, poor range, and poor penetration.

Personally, I think the the FN P90, FiveseveN, and the 5.7x28mm round they fire were specifically designed as anti-zombie weapons. They're lousy for shooting live people, but just right for taking on zombie hordes. All that marketing chatter from Fabrique National about personal defense weapons against armored assailants is just a ruse to avoid alerting the public to the zombie threat.

I'd hate to be stuck scavenging for 5.7mm ammo in a post-apocalyptic situation, though. .22 LR may not be the best round for the situation, but at least it's easy to come by. Personally, I'd pick a carbine chambered for 9mm or .45 as my weapon for the zombie uprising.

.308, bam bam bam bam bam. Fairly popular ammo, 7.62x51 NATO. I got a crate of 1160 rounds from an Eastern Europe military surplus, 1980's, fires fine.

Carbine in .40SW is the way to go. Effective to nearly 100 yards, low recoil comparatively. Lots of ammunition from law enforcement stocks during the breakdown.

Alternatively I'd go with a Tokarev. They cost about 200 bucks and the surplus ammo goes for about 9c a round right now. The pistol and a couple of thousand rounds is cheaper than most modern guns.

Mr.Sharpy: My understanding that the December 21st date is a translation from the Mayan Long Count date of 13.0.0.0.0 to our Gregorian calendar.

So, according to your (Wikipedia's) article, I wonder what happened that was so significant on September 18, 1618?

Did all of the kings and noblemen scratch their asses at once? :D

I keed, I keed.

Seriously, though, if there WAS (or were?) such of a thing as the 2012 Apocalypse, the Earth would already have started to disintegrate in itself.

MrSteve007: sparrow794: Zombie Hitler: eas81: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

Life after People is the craziest show on TV. It makes zero sense.

It makes perfect sense. It's porn for environmentalists. What could possibly be better than a world with no people?

Guess you never watched the show then. They go into great detail explaining how within a month the Earth would be trashed if we didn't maintain or shutdown our currently operating systems - nuke plants, refineries, chemical depots, etc.

For the most part, they were attempting to recreate this book in TV form and did ok.

I have watched the show. On a long enough timeline, the damage caused by failure to maintain these systems is negligible, which the show does portray as well.

Considering all of the systems you just mentioned are generally hated by fanatical environmentalists, you haven't really changed my mind. Even the book cover you linked suggests that without people around, eventually the Earth would be returned to a pristine condition. I'm sure it would be. It's a cinematic wet dream for people who also enjoy Whale Wars.

I'm all for balancing our existence with nature and cleaning up after ourselves, but like any group, some people go just a bit too far.

/trees

MK-Ultra71: I'd have to go with a model 870 and a 1911a1. Proven, rugged stopping power.

Guns run out of ammo. I'm thinking along the lines of springals, ballistae, and fire. Lots and lots of fire.

Walker: lajimi: Discovery seems to be getting a little creepy.

Not as creepy as TLC, which is now the midgets and freaks channel. Oh wait, they are owned by Discovery. So yes, Discovery is getting creepy.

How about the "you are doomed" channel otherwise known as The History Channel, comets hit, earthquakes destroy, Nastydormouse predicts this and that, just watch Cash Cab and forgettaboutit.

I think Charlie Brooker covered this already...but with zombies.

JesseL: Yeah the Garand is great until you run out of en bloc clips because it spits them out all over the place, the oprod gets bent from using commercial ammo, you can't shoot accurately anymore because your shoulder has been hammered int hamburger by the pounding of .30-06, and you're overrun by zombies because 8 rounds at a time can't keep up.

Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

Can you say "Stanford Prison Experiment"? This sounds really awesome and I love social experiments as much as the next person, but I can see this getting out of hand (psychologically) pretty quickly if they're not careful.

Still, I wonder if they'll have it on hulu... :)

JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

Shotguns are a horrible idea for the zombie apocalypse. You have, at most, 8 rounds before you have to reload (unless you have a saiga), and then it tells every living and dead thing within a mile exactly where you are.

buckler: Guns run out of ammo. I'm thinking along the lines of springals, ballistae, and fire. Lots and lots of fire.

Fire runs out of fuel

Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

Paper zombies, even.

MadAmos: Carbine in .40SW is the way to go. Effective to nearly 100 yards, low recoil comparatively. Lots of ammunition from law enforcement stocks during the breakdown.

I've fired the Beretta CX4Storm a few times. Is that the sort of thing you're thinking of?

Personally I just like the AR-15, althoug I can't offer any solid reasons for it.

hot women to colonize? ill watch.

bhcompy: buckler: Guns run out of ammo. I'm thinking along the lines of springals, ballistae, and fire. Lots and lots of fire.

Fire runs out of fuel

Trees are free.

stoicnimwit: Can you say "Stanford Prison Experiment"? This sounds really awesome and I love social experiments as much as the next person, but I can see this getting out of hand (psychologically) pretty quickly if they're not careful.

Still, I wonder if they'll have it on hulu... :)

Or rent Das Experiment (new window)

buckler: Trees are free.

And what are you going to ignite with? Sure, you can burn down a forest to kill a bunch of zombies, but it's slow moving. You only have so much oil to fill that trench around your compound though.

bhcompy: JesseL: Yeah the Garand is great until you run out of en bloc clips because it spits them out all over the place, the oprod gets bent from using commercial ammo, you can't shoot accurately anymore because your shoulder has been hammered int hamburger by the pounding of .30-06, and you're overrun by zombies because 8 rounds at a time can't keep up.

Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

Again with the shoulder brutalizing. If we're going with the "headshot to kill" zombie theory, a 5.56 works fine. Plus there are a variety of choices that do quite well to 400+ yards. The .308 is just too heavy for a survivor type person.

I still think carbines with pistol loads would be fine though. You're not going to want to shoot at z's that far a way lest you attract attention to yourself.

Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

how does one find such a thing as zombie training in the real world?

i just get stuck with stupid VR missions

I'm actually really interested to see the first episode. I certainly won't continue to watch if it even hints of scripting - well, that's a lie. I'll probably continue to watch until Mythbusters gets some new episodes out, but what I'm really hoping they do is let these people roam around a small city section and force them to survive. Simply living in a warehouse sounds boring as hell, especially when you know that the producers are going to be planting things in the middle of the night.

kevinfra: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

Baby, can you dig your man?

FTA: Features
ENTER THE COLONY
Step into the compound where the Colony must survive.
CREATE YOUR COLONY
Enlist Facebook friends to rebuild your world.

I am finding it very hard to process the idea that my post-apocalyptic world would include Facebook...

Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

I asked the same thing.

buckler: Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

Paper zombies, even.

Unarmed paper zombies. What are they teaching at this so called camp!?!

Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

Proving to us that as lame as we think things can get, someone is out there topping that.

bishop6042: Psumek: jdog71: kevinfra: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

The show is called "Life After People." It doesn't even address how it happens, just that suddenly people are gone and looks at what happens next - mostly in terms of infrastructure.

I assume there are viruses that only affect humans...anyone know the answer to that? I'm too lazy to google infectious diseases at the moment. They probably skip the 'decaying corpses' episode because they would be quickly devoured by the house-pets and random wild animals.

They don't; they just disappear. It's like the rapture. Wake up one morning and we all just went up to Jesus.

If you want a good twist on the apocalypse based on the Rapture. If you can find it, pick up a RPG called "The End". The Rapture happens. God takes his share, Satan take his, and those who sat on the fence are left behind.

Sounds like Left Behind...no thanks, my ability to suspend disbelief ends with sci-fi, because good sci-fi uses realistic elements to fuel its fiction. Religion generally uses fear of death (and believe in an all-powerful invisible entity) as its catalyst, along with guilt and dogma. Lasers and spaceships exist. I can prove it.

Grass Hopper: FTA: Features
ENTER THE COLONY
Step into the compound where the Colony must survive.
CREATE YOUR COLONY
Enlist Facebook friends to rebuild your world.

I am finding it very hard to process the idea that my post-apocalyptic world would include Facebook...

alpha zombie just poked you

GoteamVenture: Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

how does one find such a thing as zombie training in the real world?

i just get stuck with stupid VR missions

Well, first you hire a bunch of hoboes...

bhcompy: Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

The P90 beats the crap out of the .22 or pistol caliber carbine that others have advocated.

My opinion is that .30-06 or 7.62x51/.308 are overkill for zombies (you just need enough to scramble their brains) and have too big a tradeoff in ammo weight and recoil.

As I said, my own choices are 5.56 NATO and 7.62 Commie.