I am intrigued. still seems a bit over the top to me tho.

Discovery seems to be getting a little creepy.

\unimpressed.

Oh, it's a reality show. I was going to say that History already had 'Life After People' running. People won't be everywhere after all.

"Pffft. Whatever."

lajimi: Discovery seems to be getting a little creepy.

Not as creepy as TLC, which is now the midgets and freaks channel. Oh wait, they are owned by Discovery. So yes, Discovery is getting creepy.

GurneyHalleck: \unimpressed.


They really need a big guy outside the compound saying "Just walk away." at odd hours.

Xaxor: Oh, it's a reality show. I was going to say that History already had 'Life After People' running. People won't be everywhere after all.

I'm completely addicted to that show and I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe it helps me cope with my own inevitable structural failure.

If there are no zombies, it's not "reality."

Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies, it's not "reality."

Just got done reading "World War Z" last night...

brap: I'm completely addicted to that show and I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe it helps me cope with my own inevitable structural failure.

Have you read 'The World Without Us'?

Xaxor: brap: I'm completely addicted to that show and I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe it helps me cope with my own inevitable structural failure.

Have you read 'The World Without Us'?

No. I hope to, but right now my reading list/dance card is full.

Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutants, it's not "reality."


FTFY

This *might* actually be worth watching. I *am* distressed by the lack of zombies. I was hoping to learn some techniques when the zombie uprising DOES happen.

Dance moves just aren't gonna cut it.

gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies slow mutants, it's not "reality."


FTFY

FTFY

/Dark Tower ftw

Oh please, Fark Yes.

FARK YES MOTHERFARKERS!


YEAH FARK YEAH!!!


/radAway

record cold summer on the east coast so far. how can that happen?

I saw that add last night. Loves me some Discovery Channel

I may actually watch this reality show

There will be a zombie uprising.

/well, there will be raiders, anyway.

But, but, but
What if people are transformed into maggots during the apocalypse. Then The Colony television show cannot teach us how to survive! :( Nothing has ever taught us how to survive if we become insects. Well, almost nothing, Kafka did fancy that idea. But stillll, what if we become insects!!! :( *shudder*

Discovery Channel is trying to help us all survive after the doom falls. 2012 is just around the corner.

2012.

xanadian: This *might* actually be worth watching. I *am* distressed by the lack of zombies. I was hoping to learn some techniques when the zombie uprising DOES happen.

Dance moves just aren't gonna cut it.

World War Z is good literature for learning how to handle the zombie issue.

bhcompy: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies slow mutants damn dirty apes, it's not "reality."


FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

You guys all scoff, but I know you'll tune in when they do the "repopulate the human race" challenge.

gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutantssuper mutants, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions it's not "reality."


FTFY

FTFY

highendmighty: Discovery Channel is trying to help us all survive after the doom falls. 2012 is just around the corner.

2012.

RON PAUL

lukelightning: You guys all scoff, but I know you'll tune in when they do the "repopulate the human race" challenge.

There is a joke about this at the end of Feast 3. Do yourself a favor and watch Feast and Feast 2 first. It'll pay off, you have fireclowns word.

highendmighty: Discovery Channel is trying to help us all survive after the doom falls. 2012 is just around the corner.

2012.

The greatest farce in human history, you mean? Lol.
Let's take, for example, the fact that on Dec 21, 2012, the sun, Earth, and center of the Milky Way will be perfectly aligned. This is true. People argue that the gravitational force will disrupt Earth's rotation. This is not true. What's my evidence? The fact that these three bodies align every year on the winter solstice! XD
2012, t3h fail. :D (fark it)

I'd watch a post apocalyptic serial drama with zombies in a heartbeat.

Get JJ Abrams to direct it.

Episode 1:

duuude

/a bit much/

I saw a few commercials for this show and as intrigued. Probably going to be disappointed when I get around to watching it when I find that most of the cool stuff they are doing is preplanted by the production crew like in Junkyard Wars

fuzzycuffs: I'd watch a post apocalyptic serial drama with zombies in a heartbeat.

Get JJ Abrams to direct it.

My bet is that Bettes will be eaten by a zombie shiatsu or hamster.

It sounds really dumb, sorry. I'm usually up for anything post-apocalyptic, but if it's a reality show then it's just another soap opera in a different setting.

"...let's do it like they do on the discovery channel"?

Big deal. Come see a REAL Post Apoc site & live in it yourself.

In Second Life

"The Wastelands"

/shameless plug

//own land there

Hi Apo! *wave*

cyrus_hunter: bhcompy: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies slow mutants damn dirty apes clowns, it's not "reality."


FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

Zombies?

Cool. Let me get my 10/22 with a dozen 50-round magazines ready.


Head shots, I got them. PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW.

I read this because I thought it was something like life after people.

It sounds pretty cool.

Mad Max plus Discovery Channel may equal entertaining and educational.

is this a subtle training show for the zombie/nuclear apocolypse soon to pass?

if so i need to play more fallout and left4dead to prepare

History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

TheOblivionTheory: highendmighty: Discovery Channel is trying to help us all survive after the doom falls. 2012 is just around the corner.

2012.

The greatest farce in human history, you mean? Lol.
Let's take, for example, the fact that on Dec 21, 2012, the sun, Earth, and center of the Milky Way will be perfectly aligned. This is true. People argue that the gravitational force will disrupt Earth's rotation. This is not true. What's my evidence? The fact that these three bodies align every year on the winter solstice! XD
2012, t3h fail. :D (fark it)


I wonder if people who believe in the Mayan date of December 21st, 2012 have taken into account the 11 days that Pope Gregory XIII removed from his calendar in 1582 (later accepted by most other countries in 1752.) If not, then their "end of the world" will actual occur on January 1st, 2013.

eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

Might want to RTFA. It's only a sentence long, not that tough.

I just hope there's no voting. Then all the skilled and talented people get voted off first because they're the biggest threat.

gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutants, it's not "reality." FTFY

"If there are no zombies mutants ghouls, it's not reality.

Fixed that for YOU.

And on Dec. 20, 2012, I will have sex with Sarah Palin?
Eww.

DiabloCanyonOne: I just hope there's no voting. Then all the skilled and talented people get voted off first because they're the biggest threat.

No, the smartest people will rule under a tyrannical rule, but they'll power up Las Vegas again.

Proactive is good. Proactive is risk control.

/Be proactive.

I might watch a few episodes just to see if there's anything in it I can use to revise and update my Zombie Invasion Plan.

My only hope is that one of the guys on the show is named Gordon, and all he has is a crowbar...

CygnusDarius: DiabloCanyonOne: I just hope there's no voting. Then all the skilled and talented people get voted off first because they're the biggest threat.

No, the smartest people will rule under a tyrannical rule, but they'll power up Las Vegas again.

+1 would read again

If the apocalypse happens, it doesn't have to be all bad, here's how you can make it work for you. And you'll know when it's happening because...ZOMBIES.

If the apocalypse happens, then it means that I'm wrong and there is a God and there is an afterlife. But here's the good news: in the afterlife, like in Heaven you'll be in the farkin' VIP section of eternity!

Because everyone up there is like "Hey, how'd you die?" And they're like "Bus accident", and "How'd you die?", and they're like "Fire ants."

Then they go "How'd you die, man?" "How'd I die? IN THE MOTHERFARKIN' APOCALYPSE!".

/oswalt

CygnusDarius: DiabloCanyonOne: I just hope there's no voting. Then all the skilled and talented people get voted off first because they're the biggest threat.

No, the smartest people will rule under a tyrannical rule, but they'll power up Las Vegas again.

I hear after a nuclear war, California actually becomes livable. Of course, they change their name to NCR.

/Has and Iguana -- named Bob.

Sybarite: GurneyHalleck: \unimpressed.


They really need a big guy outside the compound saying "Just walk away." at odd hours.

+1. LOL.

Way, way, waaaaaay back when the movie "The Blue Lagoon" was in theaters, a snarky critic wrote a piece about how kids growing up on a tropical island wouldn't be all pretty with beautiful hair and flawless skin as portrayed in the film. They'd be gaunt, starving, parasite-infested.

For this Discovery show the cynic in me foresees a cast of very well-fed 20-30somethings, with the women looking like swimsuit models and all of the men being steroid-gobbling gymrats in sleeveless shirts with scowls and guns. Plus a few wild-haired ten year olds for atmosphere...

What will cause the world to end in 2012?

Ron Paul

Smeggy Smurf: What will cause the world to end in 2012?

Ron Paul

Palin.

I hope they watch out for the Scorpitron. It's a bit of a pain -- best to have a nice supply of sabot rockets, LAWs or RPGs (and, preferably, AT weapons skill... practice using Manglers and even spears, IIRC) before you approach its particular intersection.

Toughest single opponent in the game (not highest HP, which would be the Night Terror -- but the Night Terror is an extremely poor attacker easily handled with good armor and a proton axe for excessive XP).

They only get to sleep on cardboard boxes and shiat? If that was my colony I'd be raiding the outside world for supplies too.

It will probably be too "contrived" to look real.

Is the show being filmed in Detroit?


/first reality show I'd volenteer for.

I just wish someone would pick up "The Remnants" as a regular series.

Link (new window)

eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

KellyX: They only get to sleep on cardboard boxes and shiat? If that was my colony I'd be raiding the outside world for supplies too.

wasteland survival guide says super duper marts are good source of food and medical supplies.

watch out for raiders though!

amanogowa: Smeggy Smurf: What will cause the world to end in 2012?

Ron Paul

Palin.

The Ron Paul/Sara Palin lovechild is the antichrist

Smeggy Smurf: amanogowa: Smeggy Smurf: What will cause the world to end in 2012?

Ron Paul

Palin.

The Ron Paul/Sara Palin lovechild is the antichrist

Thank god it would be retarded!

paygun: It sounds really dumb, sorry. I'm usually up for anything post-apocalyptic, but if it's a reality show then it's just another soap opera in a different setting.

THIS. I don't really care about the mechanics of 'starting civilization over', which is what this all about. Faux-reality shows are teh suck.

phaseolus: For this Discovery show the cynic in me foresees a cast of very well-fed 20-30somethings, with the women looking like swimsuit models and all of the men being steroid-gobbling gymrats in sleeveless shirts with scowls and guns. Plus a few wild-haired ten year olds for atmosphere...

There's a clip of an old guy with a long white beard welding in the commercial. So there's hope.

bhcompy: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies slow mutants, it's not "reality."


FTFY

FTFY

/Dark Tower ftw

Hey, you! Get out of my head.

It's crowded enough in here.

I just watched some drivel called blindness yesterday
/I want to shoot my eyes out after that

MBarry: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutantssuper mutants, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions, or deathclaws it's not "reality."


FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

/seriously, how could you leave out the deathclaws?

Arklop: TheOblivionTheory: highendmighty: Discovery Channel is trying to help us all survive after the doom falls. 2012 is just around the corner.

2012.

The greatest farce in human history, you mean? Lol.
Let's take, for example, the fact that on Dec 21, 2012, the sun, Earth, and center of the Milky Way will be perfectly aligned. This is true. People argue that the gravitational force will disrupt Earth's rotation. This is not true. What's my evidence? The fact that these three bodies align every year on the winter solstice! XD
2012, t3h fail. :D (fark it)


I wonder if people who believe in the Mayan date of December 21st, 2012 have taken into account the 11 days that Pope Gregory XIII removed from his calendar in 1582 (later accepted by most other countries in 1752.) If not, then their "end of the world" will actual occur on January 1st, 2013.

My understanding that the December 21st date is a translation from the Mayan Long Count date of 13.0.0.0.0 to our Gregorian calendar.

So yes, I believe they did. Not that think anything is going to happen.

Fox Network beat you to it by more than 15 years, Discovery. It was called "Woops!" and it was a terrific documentary series.

drjekel_mrhyde: I just watched some drivel called blindness yesterday
/I want to shoot my eyes out after that

I watched that yesterday, too. It was pretty lame.

drjekel_mrhyde: I just watched some drivel called blindness yesterday
/I want to shoot my eyes out after that

i saw knowing. it couldnt not be as bad as the last 15 min. of knowing.

Luthiel: MBarry: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutantssuper mutants, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions, or deathclaws it's not "reality."


FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

/seriously, how could you leave out the deathclaws?

yao guia

fark those things

This is going to be Craptastic

amanogowa: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

Might want to RTFA. It's only a sentence long, not that tough.

That's one hell of a long sentence.


What would you do in the wake of a global catastrophe? How would you find food? Water? Shelter?

The Colony is a controlled experiment to see exactly what it would take to survive and rebuild under these circumstances. For 10 weeks, a group of 10 volunteers, whose backgrounds and expertise represent a cross-section of modern society, are isolated in an urban environment outside Los Angeles and tasked with creating a livable society.

With no electricity from the grid, no running water and no communication with the outside world, all the volunteers have to work with are their skills and whatever tools and supplies they can scavenge from their surroundings.

Experts from the fields of homeland security, engineering and psychology have helped design the world of The Colony to reflect elements from both real-life disasters and models of what the future could look like after a global viral outbreak.

Over the course of the 10-week experiment, the Colonists must work together to build the necessities of survival, such as a water-filtration system, a battery bank that powered their electricity, a solar cooker, a shower system and a greenhouse - and even some niceties (a coffee maker!).

Tune in Tuesday, July 21, 2009 at 10 p.m. ET/PT to see who thrives and who fails to survive

WATCH COLONY VIDEO!



Episode Guide

Arrival and Survival- July 21, 2009 Ten volunteers enter an experimental post-catastrophe world to see if they can survive and rebuild after a global disaster. Cordoned off in a downtown Los Angeles warehouse, they must secure shelter, filter water, and defend their new home from thieves.

Power Struggle - July 28, 2009 With their power supply dwindling, the volunteers attempt to build a generator that runs on smoke from wood scraps. When they scavenge the nearby streets for supplies, they must face off with a motorcycle-riding thug.

Comfort in Chaos - August 4, 2009 After securing the basic necessities for survival, the volunteers focus on the one creature comfort they can't live without: a hot shower. But focusing on comfort leaves them open to a massive attack that threatens their long-term survival.

Safety and Security - August 11, 2009 After an attack shatters the volunteers' sense of security, they must focus on building weapons and fortifying the warehouse. But before they can finish, a truckload of gun-toting traders arrives to test the volunteers' unity.

A Stranger Among Us - August 18, 2009 The volunteers have the opportunity to up their electricity and power capabilities when they scavenge a stock of abandoned solar panels. But the experiment takes a violent turn when a stranger breeches their security and tries to steal their supplies.

Loss and Communication - August 25, 2009 The volunteers are rocked by the disappearance of a treasured member during a search party mission. The loss spurs them to build a collection of communication devices in hopes that their missing member is somewhere out there...listening.

Zombie attack caught on infared
Link (new window)

krispos42: Zombies?

Cool. Let me get my 10/22 with a dozen 50-round magazines ready.


Head shots, I got them. PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW.

Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

Walker: lajimi: Discovery seems to be getting a little creepy.

Not as creepy as TLC, which is now the midgets and freaks channel. Oh wait, they are owned by Discovery. So yes, Discovery is getting creepy.

I realized the other night that TLC wasn't in my list of favorites on the remote. I popped up the program listing... and after looking at the little people and dysfunctional breeder fest TLC had become, it didn't bother me so much.

/Where did the home design shows go?
//I still miss Stacy and Clinton, tho

Philip J. Fry: I saw a few commercials for this show and as intrigued. Probably going to be disappointed when I get around to watching it when I find that most of the cool stuff they are doing is preplanted by the production crew like in Junkyard Wars

My thoughts exactly. I liked some of the concepts of survival shown in Jericho and I am hoping this will get into specifics of survival without and leaving the prime time reality shows like the Bachelor out of it. I loves me some ingenuity with junk.

eas81: amanogowa: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

Might want to RTFA. It's only a sentence long, not that tough.

That's one hell of a long sentence.


What would you do in the wake of a global catastrophe? How would you find food? Water? Shelter?

The Colony is a controlled experiment to see exactly what it would take to survive and rebuild under these circumstances. For 10 weeks, a group of 10 volunteers, whose backgrounds and expertise represent a cross-section of modern society, are isolated in an urban environment outside Los Angeles and tasked with creating a livable society.

With no electricity from the grid, no running water and no communication with the outside world, all the volunteers have to work with are their skills and whatever tools and supplies they can scavenge from their surroundings.

Experts from the fields of homeland security, engineering and psychology have helped design the world of The Colony to reflect elements from both real-life disasters and models of what the future could look like after a global viral outbreak.

Over the course of the 10-week experiment, the Colonists must work together to build the necessities of survival, such as a water-filtration system, a battery bank that powered their electricity, a solar cooker, a shower system and a greenhouse - and even some niceties (a coffee maker!).

Tune in Tuesday, July 21, 2009 at 10 p.m. ET/PT to see who thrives and who fails to survive

WATCH COLONY VIDEO!



Episode Guide

Arrival and Survival- July 21, 2009 Ten volunteers enter an experimental post-catastrophe world to see if they can survive and rebuild after a global disaster. Cordoned off in a downtown Los Angeles warehouse, they must secure shelter, filter water, and defend their new home from thieves.

Power Struggle - July 28, 2009 With their power supply dwindling, the volunteers attempt to build a generator that runs on smoke from wood scraps. When they scavenge the nearby streets for supplies, they must face off with a motorcycle-riding thug.

Comfort in Chaos - August 4, 2009 After securing the basic necessities for survival, the volunteers focus on the one creature comfort they can't live without: a hot shower. But focusing on comfort leaves them open to a massive attack that threatens their long-term survival.

Safety and Security - August 11, 2009 After an attack shatters the volunteers' sense of security, they must focus on building weapons and fortifying the warehouse. But before they can finish, a truckload of gun-toting traders arrives to test the volunteers' unity.

A Stranger Among Us - August 18, 2009 The volunteers have the opportunity to up their electricity and power capabilities when they scavenge a stock of abandoned solar panels. But the experiment takes a violent turn when a stranger breeches their security and tries to steal their supplies.

Loss and Communication - August 25, 2009 The volunteers are rocked by the disappearance of a treasured member during a search party mission. The loss spurs them to build a collection of communication devices in hopes that their missing member is somewhere out there...listening.

Interesting. With NoScript running, I got this:
Watch Colony to see how ten survivors make it through a global catastrophe.
With links to more -- including what you just posted.

Apologies.

This guy will be just fine.

Well, as long as he stays away from the kids.

/oblig
//hot like the nevada desert

amanogowa: Smeggy Smurf: amanogowa: Smeggy Smurf: What will cause the world to end in 2012?

Ron Paul

Palin.

The Ron Paul/Sara Palin lovechild is the antichrist

Thank god it would be retarded!

cant be their kid. obama already born.

fishrocket: Walker: lajimi: Discovery seems to be getting a little creepy.

Not as creepy as TLC, which is now the midgets and freaks channel. Oh wait, they are owned by Discovery. So yes, Discovery is getting creepy.

I realized the other night that TLC wasn't in my list of favorites on the remote. I popped up the program listing... and after looking at the little people and dysfunctional breeder fest TLC had become, it didn't bother me so much.

/Where did the home design shows go?
//I still miss Stacy and Clinton, tho

You know how I can tell you are ghey.

Hey Discovery Channel

More



Less
suck

//that is all

This time with more adults!

GoteamVenture: drjekel_mrhyde: I just watched some drivel called blindness yesterday
/I want to shoot my eyes out after that

i saw knowing. it couldnt not be as bad as the last 15 min. of knowing.

Luthiel: MBarry: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutantssuper mutants, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions, or deathclaws it's not "reality."


FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

/seriously, how could you leave out the deathclaws?

yao guia

fark those things

Meh. Yao guai aren't that bad - a sneak attack headshot with a hunting rifle will usually take them down with no problem. Doing that to a deathclaw just makes it mad.

Viss: amanogowa: Smeggy Smurf: amanogowa: Smeggy Smurf: What will cause the world to end in 2012?

Ron Paul

Palin.

The Ron Paul/Sara Palin lovechild is the antichrist

Thank god it would be retarded!

cant be their kid. obama already born.

0/10

scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

I will survive. Unlike many of you..:)

brap: Maybe it helps me cope with my own inevitable structural failure.

You bought a 1998 Kia Sephia too, huh?

See, best way to do this is to somehow fool these people into thinking the world actually has ended. I don't know if that's possible, but I'd watch every episode if you could pull it off.

I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

So this is a fantasy/sci-fi based "reality" tv show?

Presumably "reality" is code for cutting costs by not paying for actors or decent scriptwriters?

GaryPDX: I will survive. Unlike many of you..:)



/approves

eas81: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

Life after People is the craziest show on TV. It makes zero sense.

CygnusDarius: Episode 1:

I swear my building's like F3. I've scrounged myself all kinds of good stuff from the abandoned offices. Got a nice pocket knife, some flash drives, artwork, furniture upgrade, better speakers, a couple of plants, office supplies, etc. On the down side, I'll be amazed if I still have a job next year.

Will they provide anyone with weapons of any sort? I know that if I were facing this situation I would certainly arm myself in the event I survived.

This sounds like a waste of time and nowhere near what the real scenario would be like. Still, being a fan of all things post-apocalyptic (plus rat-on-a-stick and pigeon McNuggets) I will probably watch it.

Luthiel: GoteamVenture: drjekel_mrhyde: I just watched some drivel called blindness yesterday
/I want to shoot my eyes out after that

i saw knowing. it couldnt not be as bad as the last 15 min. of knowing.

Luthiel: MBarry: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutantssuper mutants, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions, or deathclaws it's not "reality."


FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

/seriously, how could you leave out the deathclaws?

yao guia

fark those things

Meh. Yao guai aren't that bad - a sneak attack headshot with a hunting rifle will usually take them down with no problem. Doing that to a deathclaw just makes it mad.

Got my ass handed to me when I went to New Olney around level 15 and a couple deathclaws jumped me before I could whip out my dart gun. I hated those things!

Luthiel: krispos42: Zombies?

Cool. Let me get my 10/22 with a dozen 50-round magazines ready.


Head shots, I got them. PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW.

Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

We tried this with a BMF Activator (legal crank for semi-autos made in the 1980s, hits the trigger 4 times per revolution of the crank) and a 10/22

The Ruger (old, well-built one, walnut stock, unhyphenated serial number in low 50000s) 10/22 got about 150 rounds through it (three fifties and a 30-rd) and started to shoot wild. We put it on a bench rest and saw it shooting 8"+ groups at 25 meters. Then the 50-rd mags all jammed (in the mag, not the gun). The 30s never did though. Not in 20 years. The gun was fine when it cooled, though.

/have 300,000 rounds through a Mark 1 Ruger pistol. Thats 600 bricks.

//use standard velocity

amanogowa: Viss: amanogowa: Smeggy Smurf: amanogowa: Smeggy Smurf: What will cause the world to end in 2012?

Ron Paul

Palin.

The Ron Paul/Sara Palin lovechild is the antichrist

Thank god it would be retarded!

cant be their kid. obama already born.

0/10

No, he's older

Viss: amanogowa: Smeggy Smurf: amanogowa: Smeggy Smurf: What will cause the world to end in 2012?

Ron Paul

Palin.

The Ron Paul/Sara Palin lovechild is the antichrist

Thank god it would be retarded!

cant be their kid. obama already born.

This is why we can't have nice things. Here we are making fun of Ron Paul and you have to being politics into it.

phaseolus: For this Discovery show the cynic in me foresees a cast of very well-fed 20-30somethings, with the women looking like swimsuit models and all of the men being steroid-gobbling gymrats in sleeveless shirts with scowls and guns. Plus a few wild-haired ten year olds for atmosphere...

The website on discovery has some pretty good videos about them using their skills to regain electricity and having to deal with an outside group wanting in their compound.

Looks like they have a pretty good group together too, a nurse, marine scientist, doctor, contractor, computer engineer, machinist, martial arts instructor, solar tech, aerospace engineer, and a mechanical engineer. They look pretty dammed grizzled by the third episode.

bios (new window)

Essentially it'll be: what will a group of exceptionally trained people do in a harsh, closed apocalypse simulation - while being messed with by producers?

I'm already excited for the show.

Tonight on The Colony: The colonists' morale and culinary skills are tested when they discover that bandits have stolen thier food supplies, and they are forced to draw lots to determine which one will serve as food for the others.

Now that I'd watch!

I was wondering about garden plots, field dressing game, making a wood stove for cooking and freaking winter...

Philip J. Fry: I saw a few commercials for this show and as intrigued. Probably going to be disappointed when I get around to watching it when I find that most of the cool stuff they are doing is preplanted by the production crew like in Junkyard Wars

LOL...I loved it when they needed to make some sort of "flying craft" and found a perfectly functional airplane wing... because everyone knows those are scattered throughout most of your run of the mill junkyards. That was the last episode I ever watched

If they do this as well as they did the Alaska experiment it should be pretty good. They took a decent cross section of people (none of this celebrity beautiful people crap) and had them travel across a section of Alaska from shelter to shelter planted by the producers to simulate things you might actually come across in the wilderness. There was no voting people off no overly stupid gimmicks no soap opera style plot addons. Just a group of people working together to get something done. When you wanted to quit they came and picked you up. Made for a pretty good show.

TheOblivionTheory: fuzzycuffs: I'd watch a post apocalyptic serial drama with zombies in a heartbeat.

Get JJ Abrams to direct it.

My bet is that Bettes will be eaten by a zombie shiatsu or hamster.

Stephanie Abrams Thread!

Why yes, a cross section of society does include 4 engineers and a doctor for every 10 people!

/I like the IBM dude

jondiced: Why yes, a cross section of society does include 4 engineers and a doctor for every 10 people!

/I like the IBM dude

Does that include train engineers and doctors of philosophy?

Hopefully they will take away one of the Baldwins. Oh please.


/picture unrelated

scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

The show is called "Life After People." It doesn't even address how it happens, just that suddenly people are gone and looks at what happens next - mostly in terms of infrastructure.

The episodes to be sandwiched in between 'Deadliest Catch' marathons.

kevinfra: I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

Sounds like some sort of a plague/pandemic to me.

CygnusDarius: Episode 1:

War. War is always the same.

JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

How does hiding behind a car door protect you from zombies?

I wonder if people who believe in the Mayan date of December 21st, 2012 have taken into account the 11 days that Pope Gregory XIII removed from his calendar in 1582 (later accepted by most other countries in 1752.) If not, then their "end of the world" will actual occur on January 1st, 2013.

Which is the exact date of my retirement. I am sooooo screwed....

If you like zombies and apocalypse type stories, and heck, are even bothering reading this far into the thread, you need to be reading Kirkman's AWESOME zombie epic.

The Walking Dead

With the possible exception of Romero's films, this is the absolute BEST zombie story ever. That is not an exaggeration.

He needs more fame.

Read it, you'll love it.
Trust me on this.

Spread the awesome zombie story goodness.

Butterfinger: Stephanie Abrams Thread!


Even SHE can't keep her eyes off the Abrams.

Luthiel: Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

Good against remotes is one thing, kid. But against the living?

kevinfra: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

The show is called "Life After People." It doesn't even address how it happens, just that suddenly people are gone and looks at what happens next - mostly in terms of infrastructure.

I assume there are viruses that only affect humans...anyone know the answer to that? I'm too lazy to google infectious diseases at the moment. They probably skip the 'decaying corpses' episode because they would be quickly devoured by the house-pets and random wild animals.

big pig peaches: How does hiding behind a car door protect you from zombies?

You don't want them to see you and start moaning to attract more zombies do you?

Zombie Hitler: eas81: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

Life after People is the craziest show on TV. It makes zero sense.

Always hated that show. Some reason a colony of 5 chimps is going to take over all of Miami? The slow decay of stuff is cool, but the crappy stories they throw in are ridiculous. It's like when they showed that Alien worlds show.

/old prof in college got a NASA grant to think up new life on other planets
//seriously...just made up crap and got money

Sybarite: GurneyHalleck: \unimpressed.


They really need a big guy outside the compound saying "Just walk away." at odd hours.

jdog71: kevinfra: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

The show is called "Life After People." It doesn't even address how it happens, just that suddenly people are gone and looks at what happens next - mostly in terms of infrastructure.

I assume there are viruses that only affect humans...anyone know the answer to that? I'm too lazy to google infectious diseases at the moment. They probably skip the 'decaying corpses' episode because they would be quickly devoured by the house-pets and random wild animals.

They don't; they just disappear. It's like the rapture. Wake up one morning and we all just went up to Jesus.

buckler: jondiced: Why yes, a cross section of society does include 4 engineers and a doctor for every 10 people!

/I like the IBM dude

Does that include train engineers and doctors of philosophy?

I kant imagine that it does.

Wait! I didn't get the memo.

can't wait, Thom Beers makes the best shows evah!

JesseL: big pig peaches: How does hiding behind a car door protect you from zombies?

You don't want them to see you and start moaning to attract more zombies do you?

Its sort of like putting your hand over your eyes so no one can see you.

Luthiel: Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

I agree. Even against zeds, .22 LR has some serious shortcomings. Poor reliability compared to centerfire rounds, poor range, and poor penetration.

Personally, I think the the FN P90, FiveseveN, and the 5.7x28mm round they fire were specifically designed as anti-zombie weapons. They're lousy for shooting live people, but just right for taking on zombie hordes. All that marketing chatter from Fabrique National about personal defense weapons against armored assailants is just a ruse to avoid alerting the public to the zombie threat.

Need tips to survive the Zombie appocalypse? Max has you covered.

jondiced: buckler: jondiced: Why yes, a cross section of society does include 4 engineers and a doctor for every 10 people!

/I like the IBM dude

Does that include train engineers and doctors of philosophy?

I kant imagine that it does.

It'll be more like four sales people and an IT guy.

/not sure who is more useless in the post-apocalypse world...Sales or IT

Psumek: /not sure who is more useless in the post-apocalypse world...Sales or IT

IT should at least have some basic problem solving skills.

Psumek: Zombie Hitler: eas81: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

Life after People is the craziest show on TV. It makes zero sense.

Always hated that show. Some reason a colony of 5 chimps is going to take over all of Miami? The slow decay of stuff is cool, but the crappy stories they throw in are ridiculous. It's like when they showed that Alien worlds show.

/old prof in college got a NASA grant to think up new life on other planets
//seriously...just made up crap and got money

They should have hired this guy



RIP alien/monster/scary shiat man

Korovyov: I hope they watch out for the Scorpitron. It's a bit of a pain -- best to have a nice supply of sabot rockets, LAWs or RPGs (and, preferably, AT weapons skill... practice using Manglers and even spears, IIRC) before you approach its particular intersection.

Toughest single opponent in the game (not highest HP, which would be the Night Terror -- but the Night Terror is an extremely poor attacker easily handled with good armor and a proton axe for excessive XP).

Yes. Just...yes.

/use to recopy disc sides to cheat and powerlevel.
//toaster repair ftw

Sounds dumb. After reading the plot synopsis for the first four or five episodes, either these people are too stupid to survive in a post-apocolyptic world or the writers are.

Everybody knows the first thing you scavenge is guns, ammo, hand weapons, water and food. Then you secure your shelter, secure your supplies, insure sanitation, establish a militia, and form a community. Power, showers, and other niceties come later not first.

Philip J. Fry: I saw a few commercials for this show and as intrigued. Probably going to be disappointed when I get around to watching it when I find that most of the cool stuff they are doing is preplanted by the production crew like in Junkyard Wars

I was okay with that considering the time limit. Also notice how some teams would skip all the safety features 'cause they knew they'd have all the time they needed the next day to make it safe.

After a while though it seemed repetitive on the things there were building.

"Life without people" is just a simple concept of "What If", thats all.

They say it several times that "What If" people just disappeared one day...and then they show various cities and the infrastructure and what happens to it over time.

Some of the things, like the space needle (?) in Seattle is pretty high maintenance and after like 10 years it starts to lose window panels due to salt water corrosion and after x number of years it falls... The show goes back and forth between several cities and eventually gets out to 2-300 years and lack of upkeep and the environment takes its toll.

The episode with New Orleans is pretty bad though...I got through like half of it and wanted to scream at the TV "We GET it! There was a flood and widespread turmoil" They kept comparing Katrina to what would happen without people keeping the levees in repair. Geez...

Killer Cars: The episodes to be sandwiched in between 'Deadliest Catch' marathons.

Ugh... I used t like that show, but when you've seen every episode four times in one weekend it's time to put on some goddamn Dirty Jobs or something...

JesseL: Luthiel: Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

I agree. Even against zeds, .22 LR has some serious shortcomings. Poor reliability compared to centerfire rounds, poor range, and poor penetration.

Personally, I think the the FN P90, FiveseveN, and the 5.7x28mm round they fire were specifically designed as anti-zombie weapons. They're lousy for shooting live people, but just right for taking on zombie hordes. All that marketing chatter from Fabrique National about personal defense weapons against armored assailants is just a ruse to avoid alerting the public to the zombie threat.

Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.

CygnusDarius: Vegas

I came for The Stand references, and only got one. Leaving somewhat disappointed.

Zombie Hitler: eas81: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

Life after People is the craziest show on TV. It makes zero sense.

It makes perfect sense. It's porn for environmentalists. What could possibly be better than a world with no people?

What no dishcleaners, laborers or waitresses???

There are tons of them around,
or did they get eaten?

kevinfra: The show is called "Life After People." It doesn't even address how it happens, just that suddenly people are gone and looks at what happens next - mostly in terms of infrastructure.

I saw previews for that and never bothered to Tivo a single episode. It looked like a completely farktarded premise. I'd rather watch Futurama re-runs, thanks.

More garbage TV...enuff already! Ok I promise to turn off the TV and go play outside, just stop with the UN-reality POS TV programming...aaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!

JesseL: Luthiel: Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

I agree. Even against zeds, .22 LR has some serious shortcomings. Poor reliability compared to centerfire rounds, poor range, and poor penetration.

Personally, I think the the FN P90, FiveseveN, and the 5.7x28mm round they fire were specifically designed as anti-zombie weapons. They're lousy for shooting live people, but just right for taking on zombie hordes. All that marketing chatter from Fabrique National about personal defense weapons against armored assailants is just a ruse to avoid alerting the public to the zombie threat.

I'd hate to be stuck scavenging for 5.7mm ammo in a post-apocalyptic situation, though. .22 LR may not be the best round for the situation, but at least it's easy to come by. Personally, I'd pick a carbine chambered for 9mm or .45 as my weapon for the zombie uprising.

Everybody knows the first thing you scavenge is guns, ammo, hand weapons, water and food. Then you secure your shelter, secure your supplies, insure sanitation, establish a militia, and form a community. Power, showers, and other niceties come later not first.

Amen to this. Maybe a toss up between weapons and food FIRST, but the other one is a close second. Once you have protection, you can handle security and scavaging abilities. You can do ALL of this with candles / fires / torches, and stinking a bit... or move your camp once you have security to an area with flowing water and you can bathe... showers..really?? And then HOT showers? They won't be able to survive without the internets...that'll be a requirement episode one, season 2.

make them hunt game and field dress it for food...

btw, did the "motorcycle thug" get a board with a nail in it to the head? In my compound, if he was a thug, we put him in the slowcooker until he's tender.

Not to be confused with their post-apocalyptic "Hey look all the humans died, lets see what happens to the animals while the atmosphere goes to pieces over several centuries" tv show

Cordoned off in a downtown Los Angeles warehouse, they must secure shelter,

I would think it would be very hard to find shelter in a warehouse...

Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.


good for stopping nazis and zombies.
though...if your going up against zombies short range is inevitable...shotgun is probably more trustworthy

DiabloCanyonOne: I just hope there's no voting. Then all the skilled and talented people get voted off first because they're the biggest threat.

I hope the weakest ones get surreptitiously snatched out of the compound by the Discovery Channel and then the Discovery Channel denies to the ones still left that they snatched them.

JapethMarvel: This guy will be just fine.

Well, as long as he stays away from the kids.

/oblig
//hot like the nevada desert

Those were my best bowlers...the one with the four eyes will be hard to defeat.

Luthiel: JesseL: Luthiel: Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

I agree. Even against zeds, .22 LR has some serious shortcomings. Poor reliability compared to centerfire rounds, poor range, and poor penetration.

Personally, I think the the FN P90, FiveseveN, and the 5.7x28mm round they fire were specifically designed as anti-zombie weapons. They're lousy for shooting live people, but just right for taking on zombie hordes. All that marketing chatter from Fabrique National about personal defense weapons against armored assailants is just a ruse to avoid alerting the public to the zombie threat.

I'd hate to be stuck scavenging for 5.7mm ammo in a post-apocalyptic situation, though. .22 LR may not be the best round for the situation, but at least it's easy to come by. Personally, I'd pick a carbine chambered for 9mm or .45 as my weapon for the zombie uprising.

.308, bam bam bam bam bam. Fairly popular ammo, 7.62x51 NATO. I got a crate of 1160 rounds from an Eastern Europe military surplus, 1980's, fires fine.

Fitty?

I would pay to be on this show. Like, I would use all my vacation time for the year and do this instead of going to the beach.

Psumek: jondiced: buckler: jondiced: Why yes, a cross section of society does include 4 engineers and a doctor for every 10 people!

/I like the IBM dude

Does that include train engineers and doctors of philosophy?

I kant imagine that it does.

It'll be more like four sales people and an IT guy.

/not sure who is more useless in the post-apocalypse world...Sales or IT

My money's on marketing staff. Hell, they're useless in this world.

GoteamVenture: good for stopping nazis and zombies.
though...if your going up against zombies short range is inevitable...shotgun is probably more trustworthy

Of course, but you're not going to use any rifle at short range other than as a bludgeoning device.

Walker: lajimi: Discovery seems to be getting a little creepy.

Not as creepy as TLC, which is now the midgets and freaks channel. Oh wait, they are owned by Discovery. So yes, Discovery is getting creepy.

Brigette should get her own show.

/giggity

sparrow794: Zombie Hitler: eas81: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

Life after People is the craziest show on TV. It makes zero sense.

It makes perfect sense. It's porn for environmentalists. What could possibly be better than a world with no people?

Guess you never watched the show then. They go into great detail explaining how within a month the Earth would be trashed if we didn't maintain or shutdown our currently operating systems - nuke plants, refineries, chemical depots, etc.

For the most part, they were attempting to recreate this book in TV form and did ok.

Dogmeat, find me some ratings... *BARK BARK*

brap: Xaxor: Oh, it's a reality show. I was going to say that History already had 'Life After People' running. People won't be everywhere after all.

I'm completely addicted to that show and I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe it helps me cope with my own inevitable structural failure.

I can't watch or describe that show without the word "fascinating" creeping through at least five times. I find it intriguing... and fascinating.

/likes watching their computer images of destruction
//comparisons to current urban decay are shocking

bhcompy: Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.

Yeah the Garand is great until you run out of en bloc clips because it spits them out all over the place, the oprod gets bent from using commercial ammo, you can't shoot accurately anymore because your shoulder has been hammered int hamburger by the pounding of .30-06, and you're overrun by zombies because 8 rounds at a time can't keep up.

Luthiel: I'd hate to be stuck scavenging for 5.7mm ammo in a post-apocalyptic situation, though. .22 LR may not be the best round for the situation, but at least it's easy to come by. Personally, I'd pick a carbine chambered for 9mm or .45 as my weapon for the zombie uprising.

I agree, for an individual trying to prepare for the zombie apocalypse; the logistics of obtaining 5.7x28 suck.

For someone (government, large corporation, or billionaire) putting together a well funded anti-zombie team, the 5.7 may be a worthwhile option.

For me, it's 5.56/.223 backed by 7.62x39. Pistol calibers are for pistols.

I'd have to go with a model 870 and a 1911a1. Proven, rugged stopping power.

stuhayes2010: Is the show being filmed in Detroit?

That took long enough.

bleeorg: Dogmeat, find me some ratings... *BARK BARK*



Dogmeat?

Psumek: jdog71: kevinfra: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

The show is called "Life After People." It doesn't even address how it happens, just that suddenly people are gone and looks at what happens next - mostly in terms of infrastructure.

I assume there are viruses that only affect humans...anyone know the answer to that? I'm too lazy to google infectious diseases at the moment. They probably skip the 'decaying corpses' episode because they would be quickly devoured by the house-pets and random wild animals.

They don't; they just disappear. It's like the rapture. Wake up one morning and we all just went up to Jesus.

If you want a good twist on the apocalypse based on the Rapture. If you can find it, pick up a RPG called "The End". The Rapture happens. God takes his share, Satan take his, and those who sat on the fence are left behind.

Thunderpipes: Luthiel: JesseL: Luthiel: Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

I agree. Even against zeds, .22 LR has some serious shortcomings. Poor reliability compared to centerfire rounds, poor range, and poor penetration.

Personally, I think the the FN P90, FiveseveN, and the 5.7x28mm round they fire were specifically designed as anti-zombie weapons. They're lousy for shooting live people, but just right for taking on zombie hordes. All that marketing chatter from Fabrique National about personal defense weapons against armored assailants is just a ruse to avoid alerting the public to the zombie threat.

I'd hate to be stuck scavenging for 5.7mm ammo in a post-apocalyptic situation, though. .22 LR may not be the best round for the situation, but at least it's easy to come by. Personally, I'd pick a carbine chambered for 9mm or .45 as my weapon for the zombie uprising.

.308, bam bam bam bam bam. Fairly popular ammo, 7.62x51 NATO. I got a crate of 1160 rounds from an Eastern Europe military surplus, 1980's, fires fine.

Carbine in .40SW is the way to go. Effective to nearly 100 yards, low recoil comparatively. Lots of ammunition from law enforcement stocks during the breakdown.

Alternatively I'd go with a Tokarev. They cost about 200 bucks and the surplus ammo goes for about 9c a round right now. The pistol and a couple of thousand rounds is cheaper than most modern guns.

Mr.Sharpy: My understanding that the December 21st date is a translation from the Mayan Long Count date of 13.0.0.0.0 to our Gregorian calendar.

So, according to your (Wikipedia's) article, I wonder what happened that was so significant on September 18, 1618?

Did all of the kings and noblemen scratch their asses at once? :D

I keed, I keed.

Seriously, though, if there WAS (or were?) such of a thing as the 2012 Apocalypse, the Earth would already have started to disintegrate in itself.

MrSteve007: sparrow794: Zombie Hitler: eas81: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

Life after People is the craziest show on TV. It makes zero sense.

It makes perfect sense. It's porn for environmentalists. What could possibly be better than a world with no people?

Guess you never watched the show then. They go into great detail explaining how within a month the Earth would be trashed if we didn't maintain or shutdown our currently operating systems - nuke plants, refineries, chemical depots, etc.

For the most part, they were attempting to recreate this book in TV form and did ok.

I have watched the show. On a long enough timeline, the damage caused by failure to maintain these systems is negligible, which the show does portray as well.

Considering all of the systems you just mentioned are generally hated by fanatical environmentalists, you haven't really changed my mind. Even the book cover you linked suggests that without people around, eventually the Earth would be returned to a pristine condition. I'm sure it would be. It's a cinematic wet dream for people who also enjoy Whale Wars.

I'm all for balancing our existence with nature and cleaning up after ourselves, but like any group, some people go just a bit too far.

/trees

MK-Ultra71: I'd have to go with a model 870 and a 1911a1. Proven, rugged stopping power.

Guns run out of ammo. I'm thinking along the lines of springals, ballistae, and fire. Lots and lots of fire.

Walker: lajimi: Discovery seems to be getting a little creepy.

Not as creepy as TLC, which is now the midgets and freaks channel. Oh wait, they are owned by Discovery. So yes, Discovery is getting creepy.

How about the "you are doomed" channel otherwise known as The History Channel, comets hit, earthquakes destroy, Nastydormouse predicts this and that, just watch Cash Cab and forgettaboutit.

I think Charlie Brooker covered this already...but with zombies.

JesseL: Yeah the Garand is great until you run out of en bloc clips because it spits them out all over the place, the oprod gets bent from using commercial ammo, you can't shoot accurately anymore because your shoulder has been hammered int hamburger by the pounding of .30-06, and you're overrun by zombies because 8 rounds at a time can't keep up.

Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

Can you say "Stanford Prison Experiment"? This sounds really awesome and I love social experiments as much as the next person, but I can see this getting out of hand (psychologically) pretty quickly if they're not careful.

Still, I wonder if they'll have it on hulu... :)

JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

Shotguns are a horrible idea for the zombie apocalypse. You have, at most, 8 rounds before you have to reload (unless you have a saiga), and then it tells every living and dead thing within a mile exactly where you are.

buckler: Guns run out of ammo. I'm thinking along the lines of springals, ballistae, and fire. Lots and lots of fire.

Fire runs out of fuel

Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

Paper zombies, even.

MadAmos: Carbine in .40SW is the way to go. Effective to nearly 100 yards, low recoil comparatively. Lots of ammunition from law enforcement stocks during the breakdown.

I've fired the Beretta CX4Storm a few times. Is that the sort of thing you're thinking of?

Personally I just like the AR-15, althoug I can't offer any solid reasons for it.

hot women to colonize? ill watch.

bhcompy: buckler: Guns run out of ammo. I'm thinking along the lines of springals, ballistae, and fire. Lots and lots of fire.

Fire runs out of fuel

Trees are free.

stoicnimwit: Can you say "Stanford Prison Experiment"? This sounds really awesome and I love social experiments as much as the next person, but I can see this getting out of hand (psychologically) pretty quickly if they're not careful.

Still, I wonder if they'll have it on hulu... :)

Or rent Das Experiment (new window)

buckler: Trees are free.

And what are you going to ignite with? Sure, you can burn down a forest to kill a bunch of zombies, but it's slow moving. You only have so much oil to fill that trench around your compound though.

bhcompy: JesseL: Yeah the Garand is great until you run out of en bloc clips because it spits them out all over the place, the oprod gets bent from using commercial ammo, you can't shoot accurately anymore because your shoulder has been hammered int hamburger by the pounding of .30-06, and you're overrun by zombies because 8 rounds at a time can't keep up.

Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

Again with the shoulder brutalizing. If we're going with the "headshot to kill" zombie theory, a 5.56 works fine. Plus there are a variety of choices that do quite well to 400+ yards. The .308 is just too heavy for a survivor type person.

I still think carbines with pistol loads would be fine though. You're not going to want to shoot at z's that far a way lest you attract attention to yourself.

Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

how does one find such a thing as zombie training in the real world?

i just get stuck with stupid VR missions

I'm actually really interested to see the first episode. I certainly won't continue to watch if it even hints of scripting - well, that's a lie. I'll probably continue to watch until Mythbusters gets some new episodes out, but what I'm really hoping they do is let these people roam around a small city section and force them to survive. Simply living in a warehouse sounds boring as hell, especially when you know that the producers are going to be planting things in the middle of the night.

kevinfra: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

Baby, can you dig your man?

FTA: Features
ENTER THE COLONY
Step into the compound where the Colony must survive.
CREATE YOUR COLONY
Enlist Facebook friends to rebuild your world.

I am finding it very hard to process the idea that my post-apocalyptic world would include Facebook...

Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

I asked the same thing.

buckler: Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

Paper zombies, even.

Unarmed paper zombies. What are they teaching at this so called camp!?!

Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

Proving to us that as lame as we think things can get, someone is out there topping that.

bishop6042: Psumek: jdog71: kevinfra: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

The show is called "Life After People." It doesn't even address how it happens, just that suddenly people are gone and looks at what happens next - mostly in terms of infrastructure.

I assume there are viruses that only affect humans...anyone know the answer to that? I'm too lazy to google infectious diseases at the moment. They probably skip the 'decaying corpses' episode because they would be quickly devoured by the house-pets and random wild animals.

They don't; they just disappear. It's like the rapture. Wake up one morning and we all just went up to Jesus.

If you want a good twist on the apocalypse based on the Rapture. If you can find it, pick up a RPG called "The End". The Rapture happens. God takes his share, Satan take his, and those who sat on the fence are left behind.

Sounds like Left Behind...no thanks, my ability to suspend disbelief ends with sci-fi, because good sci-fi uses realistic elements to fuel its fiction. Religion generally uses fear of death (and believe in an all-powerful invisible entity) as its catalyst, along with guilt and dogma. Lasers and spaceships exist. I can prove it.

Grass Hopper: FTA: Features
ENTER THE COLONY
Step into the compound where the Colony must survive.
CREATE YOUR COLONY
Enlist Facebook friends to rebuild your world.

I am finding it very hard to process the idea that my post-apocalyptic world would include Facebook...

alpha zombie just poked you

GoteamVenture: Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

how does one find such a thing as zombie training in the real world?

i just get stuck with stupid VR missions

Well, first you hire a bunch of hoboes...

bhcompy: Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

The P90 beats the crap out of the .22 or pistol caliber carbine that others have advocated.

My opinion is that .30-06 or 7.62x51/.308 are overkill for zombies (you just need enough to scramble their brains) and have too big a tradeoff in ammo weight and recoil.

As I said, my own choices are 5.56 NATO and 7.62 Commie.

hehe zombie survival thread...

OK here are my zombie guns

Mosin Nagant 91/30 near mint w/ 1,000 rounds of 7.62x54R

AK47 Chinese Norinco, I only have several hundred rounds at the moment, 7.62x39

9mm Ruger P89 about 800 rounds, 4 15round mags, solid and goes bang every time

Taurus Tracer .357 mag, I got a couple hundred rounds

Remmington 870 12ga pump with extras, and 12ga ammo is very widely available. Right now I am out but I could go to walmart and buy a ton of it. It seems that shot gun shells are the only widely available ammo these days.

bhcompy: buckler: Trees are free.

And what are you going to ignite with? Sure, you can burn down a forest to kill a bunch of zombies, but it's slow moving. You only have so much oil to fill that trench around your compound though.

Well, Ideally I'd have a constant fire burning in my fortified compound, so that'd be handy at all times. Here in the pacific northwest, there are plenty of pine trees, so my cohorts and I could spend some of our downtime harvesting pitch. Labor-intensive, but you'd really only ignite the fire-moat as a last ditch defense anyway. The zombies would still have to shamble thier way through my vast network of Rambo-like booby traps to get that far.

would like to show you how to survive

GoteamVenture: how does one find such a thing as zombie training in the real world?

i just get stuck with stupid VR missions

I'd like to go just for the range time and to poke holes in their training.

big pig peaches: I asked the same thing.

Obviously you've never seen someone who didn't scroll through a long thread before commenting on something.

Re: Hiding behind the car door from zombies

That was just a carbine class that used Zombie targets for fun. It wasn't really "Zombie Combat Training". Relax.

drunkenmidnight: hehe zombie survival thread...

OK here are my zombie guns

Mosin Nagant 91/30 near mint w/ 1,000 rounds of 7.62x54R

AK47 Chinese Norinco, I only have several hundred rounds at the moment, 7.62x39

9mm Ruger P89 about 800 rounds, 4 15round mags, solid and goes bang every time

Taurus Tracer .357 mag, I got a couple hundred rounds

Remmington 870 12ga pump with extras, and 12ga ammo is very widely available. Right now I am out but I could go to walmart and buy a ton of it. It seems that shot gun shells are the only widely available ammo these days.

Are you planning on staying put or having to move somewhere with all that? How much does all that ammo weigh?

Xaxor: Have you read 'The World Without Us'?

Reading it (well, a translation of it) now, and it's pretty good yeah.

scandalrag: I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

Haven't seen the show. But the book is clear that it's merely a thought experiment - all the people just disappear, for no specific reason. It could be the Rapture, it could be aliens taking them for a cosmic zoo, it could be anything, they just disappear (which is why the book doesn't assume the world left is EITHER neatly turned off the stove OR completely looted and burnt).

The interesting part is how so many of what we think of as monuments will be gone fairly soon, while more fundamental changes we've made to the world will leave their imprints forever (making polymers and moving plants/animals around being the main two).

MadAmos: bhcompy: JesseL: Yeah the Garand is great until you run out of en bloc clips because it spits them out all over the place, the oprod gets bent from using commercial ammo, you can't shoot accurately anymore because your shoulder has been hammered int hamburger by the pounding of .30-06, and you're overrun by zombies because 8 rounds at a time can't keep up.

Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

Again with the shoulder brutalizing. If we're going with the "headshot to kill" zombie theory, a 5.56 works fine. Plus there are a variety of choices that do quite well to 400+ yards. The .308 is just too heavy for a survivor type person.

I still think carbines with pistol loads would be fine though. You're not going to want to shoot at z's that far a way lest you attract attention to yourself.

I believe the original suggestion of the .22 is the ideal zombie killing round. Small, lightweight and plentiful. Sure, it may not have the same stopping power and distance as a .30-06 but it is much quieter to use. You don't want to be attracting zombies from a 2 mile radius from where you're shooting. The ability to carry hundreds of rounds easily shouldn't be overlooked.

/grandfather killed himself with a .22 to the head
//more than enough stopping power for zeds

Looks way more interesting that anything on the History Channel.

/All Hitler, all the time!

Was I the only one who shouted, "DON'T LET THEM IN, THEY MIGHT BE INFECTED!" at my computer monitor during the last clip?

because good is dumb: would like to show you how to survive

Can't wait for that...October 16.

emocomputerjock: Proving to us that as lame as we think things can get, someone is out there topping that.

Well in his defense, they probably told him to do that.

JesseL: As I said, my own choices are 5.56 NATO and 7.62 Commie.

I'll give you the 5.56 but the 7.62 is the same thing as the .30-06.

Crap, now I got sucked into a zombie discussion. F*ck.

wh0mprat: drunkenmidnight: hehe zombie survival thread...

OK here are my zombie guns

Mosin Nagant 91/30 near mint w/ 1,000 rounds of 7.62x54R

AK47 Chinese Norinco, I only have several hundred rounds at the moment, 7.62x39

9mm Ruger P89 about 800 rounds, 4 15round mags, solid and goes bang every time

Taurus Tracer .357 mag, I got a couple hundred rounds

Remmington 870 12ga pump with extras, and 12ga ammo is very widely available. Right now I am out but I could go to walmart and buy a ton of it. It seems that shot gun shells are the only widely available ammo these days.

Are you planning on staying put or having to move somewhere with all that? How much does all that ammo weigh?

Oh I don't plan on carrying all of it, I have guns for friends. Most of my friends don't own guns and I have several friends that are real close neighbors. They always say if SHTF they are coming to my place first. I always tell them they better come quick because I am out the second I hear of it.

I would take my hand guns over anything and everything else. because they would be the most viable. I am not going to pick anything off at a distance, though my rifle could be used for hunting.

Also, zombies are the least of your problems the living are more dangerous and they shoot back.

JesseL: bhcompy: Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

The P90 beats the crap out of the .22 or pistol caliber carbine that others have advocated.

My opinion is that .30-06 or 7.62x51/.308 are overkill for zombies (you just need enough to scramble their brains) and have too big a tradeoff in ammo weight and recoil.

As I said, my own choices are 5.56 NATO and 7.62 Commie.

Ammunition in 5.7x28 will be gone so fast as to make a FN57 or P90 a paperweight in a few weeks. I'm with you on the 5.56 though. Love my DPMS Panther. I wouldn't count out the carbine though, or even just the high capacity pistols in common calibers. Easier to shoot and clean for the less experienced people in your group.

MadAmos: Again with the shoulder brutalizing. If we're going with the "headshot to kill" zombie theory, a 5.56 works fine. Plus there are a variety of choices that do quite well to 400+ yards. The .308 is just too heavy for a survivor type person.

I still think carbines with pistol loads would be fine though. You're not going to want to shoot at z's that far a way lest you attract attention to yourself.

Worked for our service men for a long time. Guess proper usage makes a difference.

As far as 5.56, you have cost and availability to worry about. Are you going to raid an armory for an AUG or M16? Spend a thousand dollars on a single AR-15? You can goto any local sporting goods store and pick up a few dozen Garands, Kar98s, and Mosin-Nagants on the cheap(see them routinely for 100-200$). Garands, of course, being semi-automatic and the best option of the three. You need a weapon for distance and if they're closing in you need to get to safety and should be carrying a short range weapon(melee or otherwise) for GTFO, and it doesn't necessarily need to be a killing weapon, just incapacitation(makes a shotgun a great choice).

And if you're worried about attracting attention, you shouldn't be using a firearm in the first place.

wh0mprat: MadAmos: Carbine in .40SW is the way to go. Effective to nearly 100 yards, low recoil comparatively. Lots of ammunition from law enforcement stocks during the breakdown.

I've fired the Beretta CX4Storm a few times. Is that the sort of thing you're thinking of?

Personally I just like the AR-15, althoug I can't offer any solid reasons for it.

That's one. Kel-Tec makes one as well as the much maligned HiPoint. The Barreta probably shoots the nicest.

The Kel-Tec has an advantage of using Glock magazines, which means it accepts the 30rnd ones.

bhcompy: MadAmos: Again with the shoulder brutalizing. If we're going with the "headshot to kill" zombie theory, a 5.56 works fine. Plus there are a variety of choices that do quite well to 400+ yards. The .308 is just too heavy for a survivor type person.

I still think carbines with pistol loads would be fine though. You're not going to want to shoot at z's that far a way lest you attract attention to yourself.

Worked for our service men for a long time. Guess proper usage makes a difference.

As far as 5.56, you have cost and availability to worry about. Are you going to raid an armory for an AUG or M16? Spend a thousand dollars on a single AR-15? You can goto any local sporting goods store and pick up a few dozen Garands, Kar98s, and Mosin-Nagants on the cheap(see them routinely for 100-200$). Garands, of course, being semi-automatic and the best option of the three. You need a weapon for distance and if they're closing in you need to get to safety and should be carrying a short range weapon(melee or otherwise) for GTFO, and it doesn't necessarily need to be a killing weapon, just incapacitation(makes a shotgun a great choice).

And if you're worried about attracting attention, you shouldn't be using a firearm in the first place.

because good is dumb: would like to show you how to survive

He's said that's probably the last movie he's going to do...

bhcompy: Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.

The advantages of the .22LR in the zombie scenario:

1) Plenty of ammo available
2) Stopping power - the M1 may have more traditional stopping power, but since killing zombies requires head shots, a 22LR is about the same as any other round.
3) Less recoil. Important where there are hundreds of zombies to kill
4) Lighter. Thousands of rounds of .22 weighs about the same as hundereds of rounds of other ammo. Again, we're talking lots of zombies, so volume is important

jdog71: because good is dumb: would like to show you how to survive

Can't wait for that...October 16.

Yep, finished reading the book a month ago, so I'm looking forward to seeing the movie.

Tat'dGreaser: Well in his defense, they probably told him to do that.

As I said, it wasn't really a zombie class. Just a carbine class. A good one too. Very educational and fun.

Tat'dGreaser: I'll give you the 5.56 but the 7.62 is the same thing as the .30-06.

Uh no. Almost the same diameter bullet, but the 7.62x39 is much smaller overall than the .30-06 (7.62x63).

MrSteve007: I believe the original suggestion of the .22 is the ideal zombie killing round. Small, lightweight and plentiful. Sure, it may not have the same stopping power and distance as a .30-06 but it is much quieter to use. You don't want to be attracting zombies from a 2 mile radius from where you're shooting. The ability to carry hundreds of rounds easily shouldn't be overlooked.

I have wondered if the smaller round would do enough damage to the brain. If so, I'll take my scoped ruger .22 with it's hilariously large ammo capacity. You can peg stuff all day long with that thing.

JesseL: bhcompy: Then upgrade to an M14. Either way, a P90 doesn't have the range and it's a submachine gun for crying out loud.

The P90 beats the crap out of the .22 or pistol caliber carbine that others have advocated.

My opinion is that .30-06 or 7.62x51/.308 are overkill for zombies (you just need enough to scramble their brains) and have too big a tradeoff in ammo weight and recoil.

As I said, my own choices are 5.56 NATO and 7.62 Commie.

One also needs to think long term. How long before the zombies aren't an issue? Do they magically live forever or does the lack of nutrients cause them to die or decay to the point of not being a threat? At some point, you'll need to hunt and probably exit urban areas (just to mitigate the number of threats you're facing and get better access to food and water). Given that, having a more powerful hunting rifle is likely a good thing. Prey can be dropped at longer ranges and predators may or may not stop coming based on your rounds of choice. I'd recommend getting a Unimog. Properly equipped you can probably get out of Dodge without too much problem from the zeds. You can also carry a goodly amount of supplies and armaments, sleep in relative piece, etc.

Another alternative is to have several friends with very capable vehicles and a designated meeting point. Don't have one person in charge of all food, but do hand out primary, secondary, and tertiary responsibilities - as well as having everyone plan for themselves. That way you can have a good mix of skills, equipment, and personalities to live through the ordeal.

Unless they're armed. Then you've got issues.

kevinfra: bhcompy: Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.

The advantages of the .22LR in the zombie scenario:

1) Plenty of ammo available
2) Stopping power - the M1 may have more traditional stopping power, but since killing zombies requires head shots, a 22LR is about the same as any other round.
3) Less recoil. Important where there are hundreds of zombies to kill
4) Lighter. Thousands of rounds of .22 weighs about the same as hundereds of rounds of other ammo. Again, we're talking lots of zombies, so volume is important

And I agree, but I was responding to the person that brought up a submachine gun with proprietary ammo to the discussion because it had more stopping power than a 22, and various others spent the thread deriding 22s.

I thought the Science Channel was going to save us with their Ecopolis series.

This is an interesting read - a little too nutty/religious in some parts, but interesting in others. Not quite zombie genre, but *very* survivalist. Very Idaho.



/the back has an exhaustive index of all the techniques involved
//including tactics on how to stage an attack on an M1A1

Tat'dGreaser: buckler: Tat'dGreaser: JesseL: I just spent a weekend in zombie combat training:

Why are you hiding behind a car door from zombies?

Paper zombies, even.

Unarmed paper zombies. What are they teaching at this so called camp!?!


It's a 're-education' camp.

drunkenmidnight: wh0mprat: drunkenmidnight: hehe zombie survival thread...

OK here are my zombie guns

Mosin Nagant 91/30 near mint w/ 1,000 rounds of 7.62x54R

AK47 Chinese Norinco, I only have several hundred rounds at the moment, 7.62x39

9mm Ruger P89 about 800 rounds, 4 15round mags, solid and goes bang every time

Taurus Tracer .357 mag, I got a couple hundred rounds

Remmington 870 12ga pump with extras, and 12ga ammo is very widely available. Right now I am out but I could go to walmart and buy a ton of it. It seems that shot gun shells are the only widely available ammo these days.

Are you planning on staying put or having to move somewhere with all that? How much does all that ammo weigh?

Oh I don't plan on carrying all of it, I have guns for friends. Most of my friends don't own guns and I have several friends that are real close neighbors. They always say if SHTF they are coming to my place first. I always tell them they better come quick because I am out the second I hear of it.

I would take my hand guns over anything and everything else. because they would be the most viable. I am not going to pick anything off at a distance, though my rifle could be used for hunting.

Also, zombies are the least of your problems the living are more dangerous and they shoot back.

I got a bit into the survivalist mindset after reading Neil Strauss' book. I like the idea of a bug-out bag and bug-out vehicle capable of real offroad driving (well, farmer's fields, highway medians and ditches), 5 days' food and water for every member of your family, etc.

As stated before... the best dwelling to survive a zombie attack is a strip joint. Why?- No windows for the zombies to break through.

That is just good thinkin' right there.

Came here for the Fallout references. Satisfied.

//been playing Fallout 1 and 2 since Sunday.
//WOW is combat hard.

drjekel_mrhyde: Zombie attack caught on infared
Link (new window)

How the fark do cold, dead zombie corpses show up on infrared??

/Just sayin'

eggrolls: drjekel_mrhyde: Zombie attack caught on infared
Link (new window)

How the fark do cold, dead zombie corpses show up on infrared??

/Just sayin'

Shouldn't they freeze solid in winter? If they don't...they're generating heat!

/Come to Canada! Eat some beaver!

A 'reality' show with a contrived set of challenges. If it were a genuine experiment, that would be sweet, like the famous stanford prison experiment.

I can't see it working, because of the litigious culture we live in. The only way to make it real is to take away peoples basic rights.

The set-up involves outsiders and such, meaning it's turned into a scripted performance, entertainment - not a survival experiment.

this and the fact that I'd have to watch morons with marginal living and social skills piss me off with their incompetence.

/wharrgarbl

So long as I'm not stuck in Topeka.

/Or Point Lookout, for that matter.

bhcompy: As far as 5.56, you have cost and availability to worry about. Are you going to raid an armory for an AUG or M16? Spend a thousand dollars on a single AR-15? Spend a thousand dollars on a single AR-15? You can goto any local sporting goods store and pick up a few dozen Garands, Kar98s, and Mosin-Nagants on the cheap(see them routinely for 100-200$). Garands, of course, being semi-automatic and the best option of the three.

I paid somewhere around $700 for my AR and about $350 for my AK. Ammo is at all the local sporting goods stores and cheaper than .30-06, 7.62x54R, or 8x57JS.

The WWI-II era battle rifles are a lot of fun; but they are also heavy, slow to reload, and in the case of the Garand touchy about ammo and not as cheap as you think ($495 for the cheapest from the CMP).

MrSteve007: This is an interesting read - a little too nutty/religious in some parts, but interesting in others. Not quite zombie genre, but *very* survivalist. Very Idaho.



/the back has an exhaustive index of all the techniques involved
//including tactics on how to stage an attack on an M1A1

It's one of the most-requested books in public libraries right now.

/librarian

andygump: A 'reality' show with a contrived set of challenges. If it were a genuine experiment, that would be sweet, like the famous stanford prison experiment.

I can't see it working, because of the litigious culture we live in. The only way to make it real is to take away peoples basic rights.

The set-up involves outsiders and such, meaning it's turned into a scripted performance, entertainment - not a survival experiment.

this and the fact that I'd have to watch morons with marginal living and social skills piss me off with their incompetence.

/wharrgarbl

There was a British show where they got people to live like iron-age Celtic villagers...the challenge was to keep themselves fed while they actually mined and smelted some iron. It was mostly unscripted and they nearly died the first night after somoene undercooked the chicken.

It was more "historical experiment' than reality show, but participants attitudes were still very much "I'm in an experiment", not "I'm going to starve if I don't kill something". Although they did have to slaughter their own animals.

It's been awhile, but the SKS is a pretty good rifle here, just somewhat slow to reload if you don't have the 30rd mags.

Also worth noting is that making a silencer isn't difficult. Illegal, but not difficult. Since you're going to be in a world full of zeds, I'm not thinking that illegal is going to be a concern.

A length of threaded pipe. Old bottle caps stacked inside of said pipe. Bit of a longer barrel to thread it on.

Viola.

No, you didn't hear that from me.

The problem is that I suspect they will skirt around one big issue - reproduction to maintain the species. Sure, they'll deal with finding food, building shelter, etc. but anything to do with sex will probably be avoided.

Davon: Was I the only one who shouted, "DON'T LET THEM IN, THEY MIGHT BE INFECTED!" at my computer monitor during the last clip?

You were not alone.

Also, with the promise of attacking gangs and such, do they really expect us to believe weapons will actually be used? It's a TV show; maybe they'll sustain some accidental injuries here or there but I highly doubt they'd be allowed to beat other humans with real weapons.

bhcompy: kevinfra: bhcompy: Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.

The advantages of the .22LR in the zombie scenario:

1) Plenty of ammo available
2) Stopping power - the M1 may have more traditional stopping power, but since killing zombies requires head shots, a 22LR is about the same as any other round.
3) Less recoil. Important where there are hundreds of zombies to kill
4) Lighter. Thousands of rounds of .22 weighs about the same as hundereds of rounds of other ammo. Again, we're talking lots of zombies, so volume is important

And I agree, but I was responding to the person that brought up a submachine gun with proprietary ammo to the discussion because it had more stopping power than a 22, and various others spent the thread deriding 22s.

.22LR works great, on small stuff.

//Humans is big stuff.
//So Zombies is big stuff too.
//an Zombies don't exist.
//...but if they did, no one knows if head shots are enough.
//Get a shotgun.

wh0mprat:

There was a British show where they got people to live like iron-age Celtic villagers...the challenge was to keep themselves fed while they actually mined and smelted some iron. It was mostly unscripted and they nearly died the first night after somoene undercooked the chicken.

It was more "historical experiment' than reality show, but participants attitudes were still very much "I'm in an experiment", not "I'm going to starve if I don't kill something". Although they did have to slaughter their own animals.

There were a bunch of shows on PBS here in the States called "____ House" like "Colonial House" that did the exact same thing. Most of the groups did a good job of participating in the experiments, but the Ranch House group women just gave up and sat around in their petticoats and corsets while the men whined about the food and got biatch-slapped.

wh0mprat: There was a British show where they got people to live like iron-age Celtic villagers...the challenge was to keep themselves fed while they actually mined and smelted some iron. It was mostly unscripted and they nearly died the first night after somoene undercooked the chicken.

It was more "historical experiment' than reality show, but participants attitudes were still very much "I'm in an experiment", not "I'm going to starve if I don't kill something". Although they did have to slaughter their own animals.

I saw that one. They definitely struggled. Oddly enough, I think that's what would happen to most groups. They'd struggle and die because they've not done this for real before. It's one thing for me to do a little blacksmithing, if I was so inclined. It's completely different for me to make my own charcoal, find my own iron-bearing rocks, smelt it down, and actually make something. Right now all I'd need is a torch, hammers, an anvil, and some stock.

Same with pretty much anything else when you've got to make everything from scratch. Someone might be an incredible seamstress - but what if they don't have any needles or thread?

However, this group seems to be cherry-picked as hell. I think it'd be more fun to take a group of average folks and drop them off on an island full of hidden cameras. Come back in a year and see who's alive.

In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Pole axe, katana and full body kevlar for me.

drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

There are bunches of strategies here. Find one that works well for your surroundings, skills, and equipment. Getting the hell out of Dodge and to the boonies sounds great, if you ask me. You've got an issue with locals who may or may not see you as a threat and sure as hell know the terrain better than you, but if you've got something of value they're more likely to not just off you and take it. Just make sure you negotiate on your terms and don't do anything to piss anyone off first.

jdog71: Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Pole axe, katana and full body kevlar for me.

I'm betting on there being more men than women left alive and using my vag and boobies to my advantage.

Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Metal armor is a) heavy, and b) noisy.

I can't believe I'm the first...

/hot hot hot

drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Spoken like someone with minimal firearms experience.

Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun. A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

The setting is irrelevant. As much as post apocalyptic stuff intrigues me, which is a great deal, I'm still not going to watch. Because reality TV is as far from reality as possible. This show is not going to be about surviving with the remnants of mankind's technology in ruins; it's going to be about petty bickering and "who's farking who" on the show, just like every other "reality" show out there. I don't care about the little interpersonal squabble of the people, I don't care about voting off, I don't care about the stupid minigames they have to play to compete for bullshiat prizes and luxuries. So no thanks. I'll pass on this "reality" show just like all the rest.

Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Head to your local meatpacking facility for the chainmail.

/sometimes you learn useful things on Discovery Channel

Food for sex.
That's how we roll.

ronaprhys: I think it'd be more fun to take a group of average folks and drop them off on an island full of hidden cameras. Come back in a year and see who's alive.

When "Survivor" first came out, I let unbridled optimism get the best of me and I thought that's what it would be like. Needless to say, I was incredibly, mind-blowingly wrong.

bhcompy: MadAmos: Again with the shoulder brutalizing. If we're going with the "headshot to kill" zombie theory, a 5.56 works fine. Plus there are a variety of choices that do quite well to 400+ yards. The .308 is just too heavy for a survivor type person.

I still think carbines with pistol loads would be fine though. You're not going to want to shoot at z's that far a way lest you attract attention to yourself.

Worked for our service men for a long time. Guess proper usage makes a difference.

As far as 5.56, you have cost and availability to worry about. Are you going to raid an armory for an AUG or M16? Spend a thousand dollars on a single AR-15? You can goto any local sporting goods store and pick up a few dozen Garands, Kar98s, and Mosin-Nagants on the cheap(see them routinely for 100-200$). Garands, of course, being semi-automatic and the best option of the three. You need a weapon for distance and if they're closing in you need to get to safety and should be carrying a short range weapon(melee or otherwise) for GTFO, and it doesn't necessarily need to be a killing weapon, just incapacitation(makes a shotgun a great choice).

And if you're worried about attracting attention, you shouldn't be using a firearm in the first place.

Well, for just one or two that's what the cricket bat or other melee item is for. I've also got the bayonet for my AR-15. One other to toss on the pile, SKS's are nice and have the built in bayonet. Plus they make dandy club in their own right.

notauniquesnowflake: jdog71: Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Pole axe, katana and full body kevlar for me.

I'm betting on there being more men than women left alive and using my vag and boobies to my advantage.

I'm thinking your vag and boobies will be used to someone's advantage if there are more men than women left...but, sadly, that advantage won't be yours.

Supplemental: Any time they make a show about the bickering and relationships of the people instead of the actual content or goals, it turns to shiat. Like that stupid show they have about the 4 people trekking across Africa. I watched it once and the whole show was about them arguing about who's in charge. This will be no different and no better.

Luthiel: Metal armor is a) heavy, and b) noisy.

Heavy I can deal with - nobody said the apocalypse was gonna be easy! As for noisy, I'd bet it's not as noisy as a gun. Chain mail would work better than plate. Still heavy, but less noisy. You'll be in close quarters fighting, you want something you'll never need to reload and something to at least somewhat protect you from the zombies' attacks.

JesseL: A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Phrases like this are why I love zombie threads.

kevinfra

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

My problem with life after people was much more basic than that.

Why should I give a shiat what the hell the world is like after there are no people? Really what would be the point?

I'll just leave this here. Anyone interested in post epic fiction should check it out. Its a fantastic series.

Emberverse Series (new window)

jdog71: I'll just leave this here. Anyone interested in post apocalyptic epic fiction should check it out. Its a fantastic series.

Emberverse Series (new window)

ftfm

taurusowner: Supplemental: Any time they make a show about the bickering and relationships of the people instead of the actual content or goals, it turns to shiat. Like that stupid show they have about the 4 people trekking across Africa. I watched it once and the whole show was about them arguing about who's in charge. This will be no different and no better.

I'd consider that to be a real part of a 950 mile journey across Africa the hard way. Of course, they defined hard way by driving most of it in a Subaru.

Impudent Domain: kevinfra

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

My problem with life after people was much more basic than that.

Why should I give a shiat what the hell the world is like after there are no people? Really what would be the point?

The book was meant to be an examination into how permanent our mark on the world is. The question is purely hypothetical, what if everyone stopped what they were doing, got on a spaceship, and left the planet exactly how it was 5 minutes ago? It's not about people, it's about the world trying to go back to normal.

It's a good book, too. The bit about NYC subways was especially entertaining.

How about Stephanie Abrams and January Jones and . . . and . . .

Sir Vanderhoot: JesseL: A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Phrases like this are why I love zombie threads.

I always heard it as "A pistol in a gunfight is only good for getting a shotgun," "A shotgun is only good for getting a long gun."

Luthiel: MBarry: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutants, PSH, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions, or deathclaws, Badders, Wolfoids, Cryptic Alliances, Androids, or Death Machines it's not "reality."

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

/Came for the Gamma World references.
//Built them myself, as any good survivalist should!
///Anybody want to see my Hands of Power?

paygun: It sounds really dumb, sorry. I'm usually up for anything post-apocalyptic, but if it's a reality show then it's just another soap opera game show in a different setting.

Fixed

CygnusDarius: Episode 1:

Hey everybody, did the news get around
About a guy named Butcher Pete
Oh, Pete just flew into this town
And he's choppin' up all the women's meat

hot like the breath of Fafnir

Public Call Box: Luthiel: MBarry: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutants, PSH, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions, or deathclaws, Badders, Wolfoids, Cryptic Alliances, Androids, or Death Machines it's not "reality."

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

/Came for the Gamma World references.
//Built them myself, as any good survivalist should!
///Anybody want to see my Hands of Power?

Wow, I haven't heard mention of that or Boot Hill in forever. You got any spare black ray guns?

notauniquesnowflake:

I'm betting on there being more men than women left alive and using my vag and boobies to my advantage.

You need not wait for the zombie apocalypse for this strategy to be effective...

MrSteve007: I believe the original suggestion of the .22 is the ideal zombie killing round. Small, lightweight and plentiful. Sure, it may not have the same stopping power and distance as a .30-06 but it is much quieter to use. You don't want to be attracting zombies from a 2 mile radius from where you're shooting. The ability to carry hundreds of rounds easily shouldn't be overlooked.

/grandfather killed himself with a .22 to the head
//more than enough stopping power for zeds

That's a pretty weird post right there. I'm kinda speechless.

wh0mprat

There was a British show where they got people to live like iron-age Celtic villagers...the challenge was to keep themselves fed while they actually mined and smelted some iron. It was mostly unscripted and they nearly died the first night after somoene undercooked the chicken.

It was more "historical experiment' than reality show, but participants attitudes were still very much "I'm in an experiment", not "I'm going to starve if I don't kill something". Although they did have to slaughter their own animals.

I liked that show, I would like to see a lot more things like that, for instance, a large group of people with only bone and stone tools creating a Neolithic settlement from scratch. That would be a lot more interesting than some over scripted Survivor-like show.

Tastes Like Chicken: Luthiel: Metal armor is a) heavy, and b) noisy.

Heavy I can deal with - nobody said the apocalypse was gonna be easy! As for noisy, I'd bet it's not as noisy as a gun. Chain mail would work better than plate. Still heavy, but less noisy. You'll be in close quarters fighting, you want something you'll never need to reload and something to at least somewhat protect you from the zombies' attacks.

Since zombies tend not to use any kind of weapon I think I'd prefer armour made from plastic or some other composite. It would be lighter and quieter. Not to mention it won't rust.

Do they get catamites on dog leashes?

jdog71: jdog71: I'll just leave this here. Anyone interested in post apocalyptic epic fiction should check it out. Its a fantastic series.

Emberverse Series (new window)

You have one of my fave Cthulhu pics in your profile, so I may just check that out.

JesseL: drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Spoken like someone with minimal firearms experience.

Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun. A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Best way to get shot, get into a gun fight. Best way to avoid getting shot, avoid a gun fight. If you live in urban areas your hand gun is going to be your best weapon, and your weapon of choice. Most likely you will be up close and personal with your attacker.

I read this guy's blog once who lived in Brazil when his country had no power for months at a time. They had a country wide black out. No power meant lots of things weren't available and he went through times where the government actually started to deteriorate. He lived through a SHTF scenario and in his own words the country didn't crumble to chaos. People still went about their business. Bartering became a more common way to trade for goods and services. People traded with in their community but no one ran around with rifles or machine guns. He did say everyone typically was packing a hand gun.

He went into criminal activity later on in his blog and said that people were poisoning dogs, and breaking and entering homes with multiple people. While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters. I sure as hell wouldn't use my bolt action rifle.

You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

Tastes Like Chicken: Luthiel: Metal armor is a) heavy, and b) noisy.

Heavy I can deal with - nobody said the apocalypse was gonna be easy! As for noisy, I'd bet it's not as noisy as a gun. Chain mail would work better than plate. Still heavy, but less noisy. You'll be in close quarters fighting, you want something you'll never need to reload and something to at least somewhat protect you from the zombies' attacks.

With some appropriate padding and maybe even a small bit of UHMW, the noise level goes down dramatically. However, if you've got to make it post-ZA, you're in a bit of trouble.

Also, doesn't much of this also depend on how the disease is passed? Kevlar and other armors could allow for transmission of fluids and if there are scrapes/blisters or the like underneath, you could get infected. Same with all hand to zombie combat.

Stand off distance is nice. Maybe a streetsweeper if things get really close?

Or grenades and land mines. Claymore + zombie = gooey fun.

drunkenmidnight: Remmington 870 12ga pump with extras, and 12ga ammo is very widely available. Right now I am out but I could go to walmart and buy a ton of it. It seems that shot gun shells are the only widely available ammo these days.

Don't expect Wal-Mart to have a whole farking lot beyond birdshot right now.

I did find a crapload of .223 and some actual good 9mm yesterday though. 00? Fuggedaboutit.

Stuck in traffic, so heres my .02. "one second after" is a good book about EMP. Iphone kix butt in traffic.

Wont be watching.

Prof_Moriarity: If you like zombies and apocalypse type stories, and heck, are even bothering reading this far into the thread, you need to be reading Kirkman's AWESOME zombie epic.

The Walking Dead

With the possible exception of Romero's films, this is the absolute BEST zombie story ever. That is not an exaggeration.

He needs more fame.

Read it, you'll love it.
Trust me on this.

Spread the awesome zombie story goodness.

Quoted for truth. I'm a few dozen issues off the pace, but when I was reading it, it was outstanding stuff. Really does deserve a bigger audience.

MrSteve007: This is an interesting read - a little too nutty/religious in some parts, but interesting in others. Not quite zombie genre, but *very* survivalist. Very Idaho.

/the back has an exhaustive index of all the techniques involved
//including tactics on how to stage an attack on an M1A1


I read it. Yeah, I bought it on Rawles' book bomb day, too. Man, what a terrible, awful, horrible novel. Good to encourage survival thoughts, but horrible as far as an entertaining read.

If I could stomach going through it again, I'd make a chart for every character in the book with columns like good, bad, porn, weapon use education, christian, etc. just to see how ridiculously typecast (stereotyped?) every single "character" is.

But man, what a terrible book. And I'm a Christian prepper!

drunkenmidnight: JesseL: drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Spoken like someone with minimal firearms experience.

Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun. A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Best way to get shot, get into a gun fight. Best way to avoid getting shot, avoid a gun fight. If you live in urban areas your hand gun is going to be your best weapon, and your weapon of choice. Most likely you will be up close and personal with your attacker.

I read this guy's blog once who lived in Brazil when his country had no power for months at a time. They had a country wide black out. No power meant lots of things weren't available and he went through times where the government actually started to deteriorate. He lived through a SHTF scenario and in his own words the country didn't crumble to chaos. People still went about their business. Bartering became a more common way to trade for goods and services. People traded with in their community but no one ran around with rifles or machine guns. He did say everyone typically was packing a hand gun.

He went into criminal activity later on in his blog and said that people were poisoning dogs, and breaking and entering homes with multiple people. While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters. I sure as hell wouldn't use my bolt action rifle.

You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

I think you're thinking of a guy who was supposedly in Argentina, which was pretty conclusively debunked, as Argentina never got as bad as the guy was claiming. It read a bit like survivalist fan-fiction / survivalist slash-fiction.

big pig peaches: Since zombies tend not to use any kind of weapon I think I'd prefer armour made from plastic or some other composite. It would be lighter and quieter. Not to mention it won't rust.

I think if I could build it myself it'd be something like thin chain mail as a base (think like what shark divers wear) heavy tall combat boots, metal gauntlets/bracers, metal full-face helmet, and then plastic plating wherever weak points are. So probably something like football pads plus some kind of neck fortification on top of all that.

In a more "realistic" shtf scenario, I'd be hoarding guns and ammo like the rest of you. I'd trade my beer for other services if I found a small community.

emocomputerjock: Public Call Box: Luthiel: MBarry: gopher321: Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies mutants, PSH, feral gouls, protectrons, raiders, radscorpions, or deathclaws, Badders, Wolfoids, Cryptic Alliances, Androids, or Death Machines it's not "reality."

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

/Came for the Gamma World references.
//Built them myself, as any good survivalist should!
///Anybody want to see my Hands of Power?

Wow, I haven't heard mention of that or Boot Hill in forever. You got any spare black ray guns?

Used my last one on that Kamodos, but at least I have meat for a couple of years now. Here have a torc grenade.

/Old School TSR FTW

oddly, i am finally reading The Stand this month ...

Lionel Mandrake: If there are no zombies, it's not "reality."

My thought.

It kind of looks good, though. Sort of what "Survivor" ought to have been, without the drama queens and weird contests for immunity.

Yes but do they carry the flame?

huckleberg: oddly, i am finally reading The Stand this month ...

First half of that book I liked quite a lot.

drunkenmidnight: Best way to get shot, get into a gun fight. Best way to avoid getting shot, avoid a gun fight. If you live in urban areas your hand gun is going to be your best weapon, and your weapon of choice. Most likely you will be up close and personal with your attacker.

A handgun may be your weapon of necessity since carrying a rifle around all the time is a PITA, but if it's your weapon of choice you chose poorly.

A handgun is what you carry when you don't think you'll be getting in a fight. If you think there's a good chance that you will get in a fight, do something to change that chance. If you think you may get in a fight and you can't avoid it, you want a rifle.

drunkenmidnight: While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters.

Try doing some shooting under stress with the handgun and with the AK. Tell me which one you think is more likely to hit your target, and which one is more likely to provide a decisive hit.

drunkenmidnight: You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

I've already seen it several times.

ronaprhys: With some appropriate padding and maybe even a small bit of UHMW, the noise level goes down dramatically. However, if you've got to make it post-ZA, you're in a bit of trouble.

Also, doesn't much of this also depend on how the disease is passed? Kevlar and other armors could allow for transmission of fluids and if there are scrapes/blisters or the like underneath, you could get infected. Same with all hand to zombie combat.

Stand off distance is nice. Maybe a streetsweeper if things get really close?

Or grenades and land mines. Claymore + zombie = gooey fun.

Agreed. If I had to scavenge this it'd be tough. I do know where to find some SCA people though. I bet a sort of hodge-podge could be achieved that would have a similar result.

And yeah, if I could get my hands on some, my place would be surrounded with mines and pit traps and all manner of what-have-you nastiness.

When you say Street-Sweeper I think you mean a gun, but I think the vehicle would be cool too.

try fect taa daa: Stuck in traffic, so heres my .02. "one second after" is a good book about EMP. Iphone kix butt in traffic.

It isn't good. It's barely innovative. It's fun if you want a long list of every survivalist-wet-dream cliches in book form.

Worth the price though (which is free).

I stopped reading about half way through, just couldn't stomach the typical "we're religious prepared folk and we will win" attitude.

Amish Animal Scientist: drunkenmidnight: JesseL: drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Spoken like someone with minimal firearms experience.

Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun. A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Best way to get shot, get into a gun fight. Best way to avoid getting shot, avoid a gun fight. If you live in urban areas your hand gun is going to be your best weapon, and your weapon of choice. Most likely you will be up close and personal with your attacker.

I read this guy's blog once who lived in Brazil when his country had no power for months at a time. They had a country wide black out. No power meant lots of things weren't available and he went through times where the government actually started to deteriorate. He lived through a SHTF scenario and in his own words the country didn't crumble to chaos. People still went about their business. Bartering became a more common way to trade for goods and services. People traded with in their community but no one ran around with rifles or machine guns. He did say everyone typically was packing a hand gun.

He went into criminal activity later on in his blog and said that people were poisoning dogs, and breaking and entering homes with multiple people. While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters. I sure as hell wouldn't use my bolt action rifle.

You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

I think you're thinking of a guy who was supposedly in Argentina, which was pretty conclusively debunked, as Argentina never got as bad as the guy was claiming. It read a bit like survivalist fan-fiction / survivalist slash-fiction.

No I am very sure it was in Brazil, but the link now requires registration? The guy lived outside Rio De Jinero if I recall which would be in Brazil, plus it was Brazil that had the super long black outs

ronaprhys: However, this group seems to be cherry-picked as hell. I think it'd be more fun to take a group of average folks and drop them off on an island full of hidden cameras. Come back in a year and see who's alive.

I like the way you think.

Also, who here would enjoy "Celebrity People's Court"?

/The court ain't got time for no jibba jabba!

JesseL: Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun.



Aim for the heart, JesseL, don't forget the heart.

/how's your reload time?

Only tangentially related to the thread at best, I suppose, but...

Searching around zombie links, etc after reading "World War Z" I found someone had linked this little disturbing semi-animated comic book excerpt:

Shelter (link pops to YouTube)

Apparently it's some sort of "bonus feature" that was on the DVD of the "I Am Legend" movie with Will Smith. While that movie had some nice eye candy scenes, I wasn't really a fan (I hated the ending) - but this has nothing at all to do with the Will Smith story, it's just some other disturbing sequence that happens in New Delhi during the plague.

It's entirely possible I'm simply pussified, but I found it disturbing on a human level. Just can't imagine how horrible it would be for any of the characters, really.

Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Motocross boots, hockey or football pads and a goalie mask :)

JesseL: drunkenmidnight: Best way to get shot, get into a gun fight. Best way to avoid getting shot, avoid a gun fight. If you live in urban areas your hand gun is going to be your best weapon, and your weapon of choice. Most likely you will be up close and personal with your attacker.

A handgun may be your weapon of necessity since carrying a rifle around all the time is a PITA, but if it's your weapon of choice you chose poorly.

A handgun is what you carry when you don't think you'll be getting in a fight. If you think there's a good chance that you will get in a fight, do something to change that chance. If you think you may get in a fight and you can't avoid it, you want a rifle.

drunkenmidnight: While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters.

Try doing some shooting under stress with the handgun and with the AK. Tell me which one you think is more likely to hit your target, and which one is more likely to provide a decisive hit.

drunkenmidnight: You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

I've already seen it several times.

I am not saying that a rifle is not viable but again if we did have SHTF here I am pretty sure the national guard would not allow for citizens to carry rifles on their backs.

In Brazil when SHTF no one was carrying around rifles or machine guns because it wasn't really allowed.

If someone already has you at a distance with a rifle there isn't much you can do and lugging around a rifle yourself doesn't make you any safer.

I carry a gun from time to time and I know it doesn't make me more safe nor does it mean that I won't get shot in the back and then robbed making the gun pointless to have. However, I do still have it.

I mean it would have to get really super bad for people to run around with rifles on their backs, and if it did get that bad sure I would be lugging around my AK instead of my 9mm.

Tastes Like Chicken: Also, doesn't much of this also depend on how the disease is passed?

I was assuming it was passed via zombites. If it's a disease like in 28 Days Later, then who knows.

Life After People is such a rip off of bear city

jdog71: bishop6042: Psumek: jdog71: kevinfra: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

The show is called "Life After People." It doesn't even address how it happens, just that suddenly people are gone and looks at what happens next - mostly in terms of infrastructure.

I assume there are viruses that only affect humans...anyone know the answer to that? I'm too lazy to google infectious diseases at the moment. They probably skip the 'decaying corpses' episode because they would be quickly devoured by the house-pets and random wild animals.

They don't; they just disappear. It's like the rapture. Wake up one morning and we all just went up to Jesus.

If you want a good twist on the apocalypse based on the Rapture. If you can find it, pick up a RPG called "The End". The Rapture happens. God takes his share, Satan take his, and those who sat on the fence are left behind.

Sounds like Left Behind...no thanks, my ability to suspend disbelief ends with sci-fi, because good sci-fi uses realistic elements to fuel its fiction. Religion generally uses fear of death (and believe in an all-powerful invisible entity) as its catalyst, along with guilt and dogma. Lasers and spaceships exist. I can prove it.

That is the twist on it all. All the hell and heaven stuff is really true. But you find out too late. There is no afterlife for you now. The gates are closed. The world is turning back into Eden, man has lost the domination of the animals granted by God. "The meek shall inherit the Earth" was not a promise, it was a treat.

Are these the blackouts that happened in 2002-2003ish? A favela might be dangerous, no matter what else is going on in Brasil, but again, I'm pretty sure it never got that bad there, if it had it would have been related to me by any number of people who go there constantly for business. There was fear of looting and so some places closed up when the blackout happened. Other major thing was that people got stuck on the metro in sāo paulo.

Oops. *threat

itazurakko 2009-07-15 04:53:58 PM
Only tangentially related to the thread at best, I suppose, but...

Searching around zombie links, etc after reading "World War Z" I found someone had linked this little disturbing semi-animated comic book excerpt:

Shelter (link pops to YouTube)

Apparently it's some sort of "bonus feature" that was on the DVD of the "I Am Legend" movie with Will Smith. While that movie had some nice eye candy scenes, I wasn't really a fan (I hated the ending) - but this has nothing at all to do with the Will Smith story, it's just some other disturbing sequence that happens in New Delhi during the plague.

It's entirely possible I'm simply pussified, but I found it disturbing on a human level. Just can't imagine how horrible it would be for any of the characters, really.

Thanks, and will check out your link - but consider checking Youtube for the alternate (and vastly improved) ending to I Am Legend.

Public Call Box:

/Old School TSR FTW

Speaking of forgotten references, this thread needs more



/hot

Carry a handgun when you aren't expecting a gunfight.

If you ARE expecting a gunfight, bring a long gun. And lots of friends with long guns.



And some marines.



JesseL:

A handgun is what you carry when you don't think you'll be getting in a fight. If you think there's a good chance that you will get in a fight, do something to change that chance. If you think you may get in a fight and you can't avoid it, you want a rifle.

Jster422: Thanks, and will check out your link - but consider checking Youtube for the alternate (and vastly improved) ending to I Am Legend.

Will do...

JesseL: bhcompy: Meh.. M1 Garand. Millions in existence, stopping power of a mule kick to the face.

Yeah the Garand is great until you run out of en bloc clips because it spits them out all over the place, the oprod gets bent from using commercial ammo, you can't shoot accurately anymore because your shoulder has been hammered int hamburger by the pounding of .30-06, and you're overrun by zombies because 8 rounds at a time can't keep up.

Luthiel: I'd hate to be stuck scavenging for 5.7mm ammo in a post-apocalyptic situation, though. .22 LR may not be the best round for the situation, but at least it's easy to come by. Personally, I'd pick a carbine chambered for 9mm or .45 as my weapon for the zombie uprising.

I agree, for an individual trying to prepare for the zombie apocalypse; the logistics of obtaining 5.7x28 suck.

For someone (government, large corporation, or billionaire) putting together a well funded anti-zombie team, the 5.7 may be a worthwhile option.

For me, it's 5.56/.223 backed by 7.62x39. Pistol calibers are for pistols.

Why not 7.62x51 NATO (.308)? It's not like you're going to fly to Russia or China for the Apocalypse...

I sure like that round.

But in all truth, for a long gun most of the ammo you'll scrounge in the states will be .30-06

but if given my choice, and a surplus of any, I'd hope for:
.22wmr - small game (gotta eat)
9mm - self defense
12ga - self defense (or fowl hunting)
.308 - medium game/ZOMGBIES!!!!
.338 Lapua - large game / ZOMGBIE Brass

emocomputerjock: Wow, I haven't heard mention of that or Boot Hill in forever. You got any spare black ray guns?

Black ray pistols only had four shots per crystal, IIRC, and -- can't recall the precise description, but ISTR that they only affected organics. If it only affected living cells, vs. zthe undead you might be better off using something more destructive like slug throwers -- probably much easier to make more slugs than tech-level IV (or was it V) energy crystals.

Tastes Like Chicken: When you say Street-Sweeper I think you mean a gun, but I think the vehicle would be cool too.

If you truly knew it was coming and roughly when, you get a compound set up in the mountains. Sure, you've got a short growing season but zeds don't do well in the cold. Plus, you're away from their food sources so it's harder for them to get to you. Make sure you've got a decent glade on which to grow veggies. Hunting should take care of the meat.

And yes, 12ga shotgun with a 50 shell magazine, semi-auto IIRC.

drunkenmidnight: You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

I would if you had mentioned who he was!

wh0mprat: Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Motocross boots, hockey or football pads and a goalie mask :)

Why not go the full Lord Humungus? Just skip the football pads and add some s&m spikes and a .357.

drunkenmidnight: I am not saying that a rifle is not viable but again if we did have SHTF here I am pretty sure the national guard would not allow for citizens to carry rifles on their backs.

In Brazil when SHTF no one was carrying around rifles or machine guns because it wasn't really allowed.

I figured we were talking about situations bad enough that there would be no National Guard.

drunkenmidnight: If someone already has you at a distance with a rifle there isn't much you can do and lugging around a rifle yourself doesn't make you any safer.

In that situation you're probably screwed. If you luck out though, a rifle is a much more effective means of fighting back than a pistol and way better than just waiting to die.

drunkenmidnight: I carry a gun from time to time and I know it doesn't make me more safe nor does it mean that I won't get shot in the back and then robbed making the gun pointless to have. However, I do still have it.

Me too, but I also tend to have a rifle nearby (locked in either the safe or car).

drunkenmidnight: I mean it would have to get really super bad for people to run around with rifles on their backs, and if it did get that bad sure I would be lugging around my AK instead of my 9mm.

Which was my whole point.

jdog71: I'll just leave this here. Anyone interested in post epic fiction should check it out. Its a fantastic series.

Emberverse Series (new window)

I was unable to get through more than a hundred pages or so of the first book.

The idea that a bunch of SCA nerds would rule the world because of a fondness for swords was no doubt a turn on for the LARP crowd but chainmail is hardly a defense against a group armed with supersoakers loaded with WD 40.

You could stop an army of thousands with the contents of a single Home Depot.

drunkenmidnight: He went into criminal activity later on in his blog and said that people were poisoning dogs, and breaking and entering homes with multiple people. While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters. I sure as hell wouldn't use my bolt action rifle.

Sure, but you're talking people. A pump action shotgun is one of the best civilian defense weapons against other humans because it has a non-lethal fear factor built into it. If someone was raiding my house, I'd want that extra fear induced by the cocking mechanism on top of the unparalleled ability to aim in someones general direction and be assured of some damage to the target, moreso than fully automatic assault weapon fire for sure. A hand gun won't scare anyone and while it may allow you a bit more stealth, if you're intending on defending your home, it lacks stopping power and fear factor as a primary weapon.

drunkenmidnight: I am not saying that a rifle is not viable but again if we did have SHTF here I am pretty sure the national guard would not allow for citizens to carry rifles on their backs.

Well, technically, isn't it legal to sport a legal gun as long as it's not concealed?

bishop6042: jdog71: bishop6042: Psumek: jdog71: kevinfra: scandalrag: eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

I had a real problem with life after people: There was a cataclysm that kills all the people, but leaves their pets alive and locked in their houses?

I had a problem with only people disappeared yet every other species survived??

The show is called "Life After People." It doesn't even address how it happens, just that suddenly people are gone and looks at what happens next - mostly in terms of infrastructure.

I assume there are viruses that only affect humans...anyone know the answer to that? I'm too lazy to google infectious diseases at the moment. They probably skip the 'decaying corpses' episode because they would be quickly devoured by the house-pets and random wild animals.

They don't; they just disappear. It's like the rapture. Wake up one morning and we all just went up to Jesus.

If you want a good twist on the apocalypse based on the Rapture. If you can find it, pick up a RPG called "The End". The Rapture happens. God takes his share, Satan take his, and those who sat on the fence are left behind.

Sounds like Left Behind...no thanks, my ability to suspend disbelief ends with sci-fi, because good sci-fi uses realistic elements to fuel its fiction. Religion generally uses fear of death (and believe in an all-powerful invisible entity) as its catalyst, along with guilt and dogma. Lasers and spaceships exist. I can prove it.

That is the twist on it all. All the hell and heaven stuff is really true. But you find out too late. There is no afterlife for you now. The gates are closed. The world is turning back into Eden, man has lost the domination of the animals granted by God. "The meek shall inherit the Earth" was not a promise, it was a treat.

No afterlife for you



/what God may look like...he seems to have the same random temperament as the soup nazi.

jdog71: wh0mprat: Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Motocross boots, hockey or football pads and a goalie mask :)

Why not go the full Lord Humungus? Just skip the football pads and add some s&m spikes and a .357.

If there really were zombies...or even just well-armed crazy people, the Lord Humungus would be the first to go. He's all exposed targets and a good sniper could pick him off from 500 yards. Zombies would just chow down. Humungus only got away with it because for whatever reason his minions were all dumb and everyone else was scared of them.

Flt209er: /how's your reload time?

Not bad, but could be lots better. Mostly I try to avoid having to reload fast by doing tactical reloads when time allows.

Head_Shot: Why not 7.62x51 NATO (.308)? It's not like you're going to fly to Russia or China for the Apocalypse...

There is way more 7.62x39 around my area than there is 7.62x51/.308 and it's significantly cheaper. J&G Sales is less than two miles from home.

bhcompy: drunkenmidnight: I am not saying that a rifle is not viable but again if we did have SHTF here I am pretty sure the national guard would not allow for citizens to carry rifles on their backs.

Well, technically, isn't it legal to sport a legal gun as long as it's not concealed?

I think you're forgetting that in times of emergency, normal rights can and will be suspended.

And no, legal open carry isn't the case everywhere - even for rifles. Especially not if they're loaded (and what's the point of an unloaded weapon with zombies around?).

bhcompy: Well, technically, isn't it legal to sport a legal gun as long as it's not concealed?

I thought we were talking SHTF situations? It's not only the "regular people" who start behaving differently when that happens.

MrSteve007: ...Essentially it'll be: what will a group of exceptionally trained people do in a harsh, closed apocalypse simulation - while being messed with by producers?

I'm already excited for the show.

Hmmm. This actually sounds interesting and worthwhile.

This should teach me to read tfa before commenting...

Gyrfalcon: the Lord Humungus would be the first to go. He's all exposed targets and a good sniper could pick him off from 500 yards.

Dunno him, but it reminds me how I used to laugh at the various comic books full of voluptuous babes with guns wearing armored... bikinis. Like, okay, if someone shoots you directly in the BOOB, you're good, but otherwise...

It's all about suspension of disbelief.

Jument: That's a pretty weird post right there. I'm kinda speechless.

Yeah, it's pretty messed up, however the man died a decade before I was born, so I have zero emotional ties to him. It was used as a counter to people saying the .22LR doesn't have enough stopping power, which is, unfortunately, demonstratively false.

itazurakko: Gyrfalcon: the Lord Humungus would be the first to go. He's all exposed targets and a good sniper could pick him off from 500 yards.

Dunno him, but it reminds me how I used to laugh at the various comic books full of voluptuous babes with guns wearing armored... bikinis. Like, okay, if someone shoots you directly in the BOOB, you're good, but otherwise...

It's all about suspension of disbelief.

Lord Humungus was sort of like Xerxes in 300 - his minions were afraid, not of his whips, but of his divine power.

/in his leather underwear :)

BrynnMacFlynn: I'm actually really interested to see the first episode. I certainly won't continue to watch if it even hints of scripting - well, that's a lie. I'll probably continue to watch until Mythbusters gets some new episodes out, but what I'm really hoping they do is let these people roam around a small city section and force them to survive. Simply living in a warehouse sounds boring as hell, especially when you know that the producers are going to be planting things in the middle of the night.

Depends on what you mean by scripting. But its obvious from the summary's of the first few episodes that the scenarios they encounter are coming from producers/writers, and I would guess the items they build are being directed by a producer.

JesseL: Flt209er: /how's your reload time?

Not bad, but could be lots better. Mostly I try to avoid having to reload fast by doing tactical reloads when time allows.

Head_Shot: Why not 7.62x51 NATO (.308)? It's not like you're going to fly to Russia or China for the Apocalypse...

There is way more 7.62x39 around my area than there is 7.62x51/.308 and it's significantly cheaper. J&G Sales is less than two miles from home.

I believe that tactical shooting trainers advocate an immediate reload once all targets have been engaged even if you still have rounds in the magazine. Once there is a lull you can crossload and refill magazines.

MrSteve007: Jument: That's a pretty weird post right there. I'm kinda speechless.

Yeah, it's pretty messed up, however the man died a decade before I was born, so I have zero emotional ties to him. It was used as a counter to people saying the .22LR doesn't have enough stopping power, which is, unfortunately, demonstratively false.

There is a difference between stopping power and killing power.

Undercooked chicken has killing power.
A kick in the nuts has stopping power.
A .22lr has enough of both to deserve respect, but there are far better choices available.

MK-Ultra71: I'd have to go with a model 870 and a 1911a1. Proven, rugged stopping power.

Guns run out of ammo. I'm thinking along the lines of springals, ballistae, and fire. Lots and lots of fire.

Fire = bad idea. Zombies hav eno central nervous system. They feel no pain. Massive trauma to the head and torso is what it takes.

I've taken comabt/riot shotgun training. Reloading as you go with a 12 gauge pump is easy and fluid with some pratice. And the 870 is pretty much jam proof. Same with the 1911a1. So is the AK47 for that matter. I own or have owned all three and never experienced a jam of any kind even firing vintage ammo.

I believe that tactical shooting trainers advocate an immediate reload once all targets have been engaged even if you still have rounds in the magazine. Once there is a lull you can crossload and refill magazines.

Just be sure to practice the way you would shoot in a fire fight or as close as possible. Don't carefully remove mags because you are afraid to dent them. Release the mag and let it drop. In an emergency you will do what you practiced and if that was stopping to neatly place the spent mag in cargo pocket that's what you will do. Police officers have been found dead with empty mags or speed loaders in their pockets. They stopped to pocket the empty mag.

I am a node of SERVER.
Born of flesh and blood,
but enhanced by the power of it's web.
I have no use for pain or fear.
My scripts are a focus of my will.
My strength is my knowledge.
My weapons are my skills.
Information is the blood of my body.
I am part of the greater network.
I am host to the vast data of SERVER.
My flesh is weak, but my connection is eternal;
And therefore, I am a GOD.

\Obscure?

MK-Ultra71: I believe that tactical shooting trainers advocate an immediate reload once all targets have been engaged even if you still have rounds in the magazine. Once there is a lull you can crossload and refill magazines.

Just be sure to practice the way you would shoot in a fire fight or as close as possible. Don't carefully remove mags because you are afraid to dent them. Release the mag and let it drop. In an emergency you will do what you practiced and if that was stopping to neatly place the spent mag in cargo pocket that's what you will do. Police officers have been found dead with empty mags or speed loaders in their pockets. They stopped to pocket the empty mag.

Good point. I've personally just been concentrating on general marksmanship, and "panic" fire at 20 feet (dumping the magazine as quickly as possible). I have gotten to the point now where the entire magazine makes it into the chest. Reloads haven't been part of my practice yet.

krispos42: Zombies?

Cool. Let me get my 10/22 with a dozen 50-round magazines ready.


Head shots, I got them. PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW.

A 10/22? The zombies will find your brains tasty, friend.

emocomputerjock: Public Call Box:

/Old School TSR FTW

Speaking of forgotten references, this thread needs more



/hot

Get up. *wheeze* and bring me the whip!

drunkenmidnight: JesseL: drunkenmidnight: For those of you that think in a dire SHTF situation your long rifle is going to be used to pick off enemies from a distance have another thing coming. Remember you are also being hunted, by someone possibly smarter than you, possibly a better shot.

Stick to hand guns, stick to yourself and always be aware of your surroundings.

Spoken like someone with minimal firearms experience.

Outside of a phonebooth or maybe an elevator, a rifle is always better than a handgun. A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle.

Best way to get shot, get into a gun fight. Best way to avoid getting shot, avoid a gun fight. If you live in urban areas your hand gun is going to be your best weapon, and your weapon of choice. Most likely you will be up close and personal with your attacker.

I read this guy's blog once who lived in Brazil when his country had no power for months at a time. They had a country wide black out. No power meant lots of things weren't available and he went through times where the government actually started to deteriorate. He lived through a SHTF scenario and in his own words the country didn't crumble to chaos. People still went about their business. Bartering became a more common way to trade for goods and services. People traded with in their community but no one ran around with rifles or machine guns. He did say everyone typically was packing a hand gun.

He went into criminal activity later on in his blog and said that people were poisoning dogs, and breaking and entering homes with multiple people. While, sure my AK47 with my 30rd magazine would probably do alright in that situation but I can't say that it would be any better than my handgun in urban close quarters. I sure as hell wouldn't use my bolt action rifle.

You should google his blog and look it up, really insightful stuff.

That was in Argentina, and that guy knows his SHTF planning. FerFal (new window)

The6502Man: Everybody knows the first thing you scavenge is guns, ammo, hand weapons, water and food. Then you secure your shelter, secure your supplies, insure sanitation, establish a militia, and form a community. Power, showers, and other niceties come later not first.

Amen to this. Maybe a toss up between weapons and food FIRST, but the other one is a close second. Once you have protection, you can handle security and scavaging abilities. You can do ALL of this with candles / fires / torches, and stinking a bit... or move your camp once you have security to an area with flowing water and you can bathe... showers..really?? And then HOT showers? They won't be able to survive without the internets...that'll be a requirement episode one, season 2.

make them hunt game and field dress it for food...

btw, did the "motorcycle thug" get a board with a nail in it to the head? In my compound, if he was a thug, we put him in the slowcooker until he's tender.

That's because this is a show made by hollywood-yuppie types. The idea of picking up a handgun or AR-15 to survive clashes with everything they believe. The world ends and the first things they need to survive are...a solar shower and a coffee maker? Are you kidding me? As for the "motorcycle thug" if they don't have one character at least pretending to shoot him with a rifle, I'm turning it off for being a complete mockery of reality. If the world end, solar power and coffee are going to be the last thing in your mind forever. Guns for protection, killing for food and burning things for heat are the name of the game.


And what's with the cast? A cross section of society? So where is the McDonalds assistant manager? Soccer mom/receptionist? College kids? You know, regular people who don't really know shiat about survival and actually make up about 99% of the real population.

First step: Get the fark outta LA and to the boonies.

taurusowner: The6502Man: Everybody knows the first thing you scavenge is guns, ammo, hand weapons, water and food. Then you secure your shelter, secure your supplies, insure sanitation, establish a militia, and form a community. Power, showers, and other niceties come later not first.

Gotta re-order your priorities. Water first, then shelter, then food. Sanitation is nice after that, but not required. If you can establish a community after that, more power to you. After that, you worry about sharing or scavenging weapons.

buckler: taurusowner: The6502Man: Everybody knows the first thing you scavenge is guns, ammo, hand weapons, water and food. Then you secure your shelter, secure your supplies, insure sanitation, establish a militia, and form a community. Power, showers, and other niceties come later not first.

Gotta re-order your priorities. Water first, then shelter, then food. Sanitation is nice after that, but not required. If you can establish a community after that, more power to you. After that, you worry about sharing or scavenging weapons.

I don't agree. When whatever calamity happens occurs, the opening few hours/days are going to be full of everyone frantically looting and looking out for themselves. There is tons of food and water in houses, grocery stores, treatment plants etc. But everyone will be looking to grab it all. If you want the edge to survive in those first critical moments, weapons and trusted friends with weapons are the priority. Competing with nature comes later. First you have to compete with the rest of mankind.

taurusowner: buckler: taurusowner: The6502Man: Everybody knows the first thing you scavenge is guns, ammo, hand weapons, water and food. Then you secure your shelter, secure your supplies, insure sanitation, establish a militia, and form a community. Power, showers, and other niceties come later not first.

Gotta re-order your priorities. Water first, then shelter, then food. Sanitation is nice after that, but not required. If you can establish a community after that, more power to you. After that, you worry about sharing or scavenging weapons.

I don't agree. When whatever calamity happens occurs, the opening few hours/days are going to be full of everyone frantically looting and looking out for themselves. There is tons of food and water in houses, grocery stores, treatment plants etc. But everyone will be looking to grab it all. If you want the edge to survive in those first critical moments, weapons and trusted friends with weapons are the priority. Competing with nature comes later. First you have to compete with the rest of mankind.

After shelter and water it comes down to beans and bullets. If if you have the bullets you can get the beans.

taurusowner: buckler: taurusowner: The6502Man: Everybody knows the first thing you scavenge is guns, ammo, hand weapons, water and food. Then you secure your shelter, secure your supplies, insure sanitation, establish a militia, and form a community. Power, showers, and other niceties come later not first.

Gotta re-order your priorities. Water first, then shelter, then food. Sanitation is nice after that, but not required. If you can establish a community after that, more power to you. After that, you worry about sharing or scavenging weapons.

I don't agree. When whatever calamity happens occurs, the opening few hours/days are going to be full of everyone frantically looting and looking out for themselves. There is tons of food and water in houses, grocery stores, treatment plants etc. But everyone will be looking to grab it all. If you want the edge to survive in those first critical moments, weapons and trusted friends with weapons are the priority. Competing with nature comes later. First you have to compete with the rest of mankind.

I don't think our viewpoints are contradictory. The priorities I mentioned are strictly biological in nature, and don't vary. Of course, the circumstances in which you have to carry out those priorities might vary; You might be battling an Arctic crevasse or an army of hungry fellow humans. In any event, your priorities are the same, and it's up to you to secure what you can when you can. You must have water first. If you happen to have a weapon to help you get it, then great. If not, you need to be more conniving, but your needs are the same.

the thing i never see properly addressed in the zombie apocalypse scenarios is who the FARK is running the power plants? anyone who thinks that they're going to survive any kind of "doomsday" situation better get out a map real quick of the local and up-wind nuclear power plants are.

my other 2c is that reliability and portability are far more important than most other factors in a rifle. presuming you're 'on the lamb' you better be in decent shape to lug around anything heavier than 30lbs for your total pack weight, and you don't want 95% of that to be your shooter and the bullets.

another observation would be that as much as we would all like to think that a superior rifle with obnoxious range and kick-ass stopping power is the best... but the reality of it is that a .22 rifle with a decent scope is going to be the best bet for 99% of the shooters out there. the load is wicked accurate, and can easily pop the skull of a person at a longer range than you're probably going to be able to accurately aim.

/once got laughed at while shopping for a heavier barrel for my 22 ruger. "do you _really_ think the barrel is the weak link?"

I see your point. From a purely physiological standpoint, the human body needs water every day. It does not need a weapon. But most of us do not live in the arctic. Most of us do live in cities and towns with thousands or even millions of other people in close proximity who are all going to be terrified, frantic, and looking for the physiological needs to survive, just like you. So while your body does need water first, then food, then shelter; getting these things without being killed yourself in those first few hectic hours/days is going to require you finding a weapon first.

Came for the Fallout 3 references. Got em - thanks!

ronaprhys : ... Also worth noting is that making a silencer isn't difficult. Illegal, but not difficult. Since you're going to be in a world full of zeds, I'm not thinking that illegal is going to be a concern.

A length of threaded pipe. Old bottle caps stacked inside of said pipe. Bit of a longer barrel to thread it on.

that is the dumbest suggestion i have EVER heard. i can't begin to imagine the disaster of trying to use a length of rough pipe filled with fricking bottle caps. you do understand than a bullet needs to pass through this pipe and exit at exactly the location you drilled the second hole, don't you? and what do you think happens when the bullet deforms or fragments or deflects off any of these umpteen bottle caps you've stuck in this thing?

I guess what I'm saying is, yeah you can be dehydrated and in desperate need of water to live. OK. How are you going to get that water without getting shot by other survivors first?

taurusowner: I guess what I'm saying is, yeah you can be dehydrated and in desperate need of water to live. OK. How are you going to get that water without getting shot by other survivors first?

You take a pessimistic point of view. In my experience, people who've suffered communal disaster tend to help one another out. I would expect that survivors would work together to assemble the manpower and tools to dig a well and install a pump; furthermore, they would build and share shelters and food supplies to insure the common good. People aren't as mercenary as you might think.

ijason: that is the dumbest suggestion i have EVER heard. i can't begin to imagine the disaster of trying to use a length of rough pipe filled with fricking bottle caps. you do understand than a bullet needs to pass through this pipe and exit at exactly the location you drilled the second hole, don't you? and what do you think happens when the bullet deforms or fragments or deflects off any of these umpteen bottle caps you've stuck in this thing?

Just because you can't fabricate for shiat doesn't mean the rest of us can't. Baffling is the key.

Also, just because someone will likely say something to this effect, it only works on subsonic rounds.

@ buckler, i find it intriguing that the people who seem to be most interested in stock-piling weapons, and with the need to go and take control of resources before others can, most often (and there are always exceptions) seem to be the same individuals who are hardly physically fit enough to live a nomadic life-style, or socially adept enough to negotiate themselves into a group dynamic.

i think you have a very good point, across the board people knit to form a tighter community in the face of adversity. especially if there is a readily identifiable antagonist or threat. humans are naturally a pack animal, teaming up with others is almost always the best chance for survival.

/ exception would probably be if you were trying to elude other humans.

buckler: taurusowner: I guess what I'm saying is, yeah you can be dehydrated and in desperate need of water to live. OK. How are you going to get that water without getting shot by other survivors first?

You take a pessimistic point of view. In my experience, people who've suffered communal disaster tend to help one another out. I would expect that survivors would work together to assemble the manpower and tools to dig a well and install a pump; furthermore, they would build and share shelters and food supplies to insure the common good. People aren't as mercenary as you might think.

That may very well happen after a few months of survival when most of the world population is dead, cities are mostly empty, and people are thinking about the long term future. What I mean is the first few hours after the big event starts. Whatever causes this outbreak of chaos is going to look like the LA riots, only globally. People are not going to be thinking about digging wells and building a new life. They are going to be dodging rioters, gangs, buildings on fire, police and national guard trying and failing at regaining control, looting, theft, murder, and an "every man for himself" attitude. The working together for a new life only comes after you survive that.

ijason: another observation would be that as much as we would all like to think that a superior rifle with obnoxious range and kick-ass stopping power is the best... but the reality of it is that a .22 rifle with a decent scope is going to be the best bet for 99% of the shooters out there. the load is wicked accurate, and can easily pop the skull of a person at a longer range than you're probably going to be able to accurately aim.

Have you ever hunted with a .22? It's a lousy stopper on prairie dogs and tree squirrels, I certainly wouldn't want to depend on it for anything that was bigger and more of a threat to me.

Not to mention that outside lubricated bullets don't travel well, rimfire primers aren't noted for reliable ignition, rimmed cartridges don't feed as well as rimless in autoloaders, and rimfire autoloaders tend to be a lot more sensitive to dirt than gas operated centerfires.

I know, tons of people love to tell about their 10/22 or Marlin 60 that's run flawlessly since 1973. I won't call them liars, but I don't want to count on myself having that kind of luck.

Nobody ever seems to take crowds into consideration when forming their apocalypse plans. It's always "I'm gonna go to Cabela's to get some guns, then over to the grocery store for supplies" or "I'm gonna drive to my cabin in the woods. I know I can make it out there". But what do you do when you find 400 other people looting Cabela's? 10,000 cars gridlocking all the roads to your cabin? What kills faster? Dehydration or a brick to the head from another looter?

@ ronaprhys, since when is dumping a handful of metal bottle caps into a pipe "baffling". the critical step you're missing is that the baffling needs to be done in a way that DOES NOT OBSTRUCT THE BULLET.

also, a hollow pipe filled with hard impermeable objects and only a single hole would most likely blow apart when you fired the gun. silencers do not work by absorbing the gasses, they dampen and slow it to reduce the volume. a silencer needs to have vents adequate to allow for all of the gasses they have absorbed to escape... they can't simply negate the produced gasses.

if you do a few minutes research you'll find silencers are usually filled with a soft absorbent material, often saturated in oil to absorb as much gas as quickly as possible. metal bottle caps have no capacity to absorb gas as far as i recall.

/but then again, i might just not be fabricatin' them right.

@ JesseL, i have to admit, i don't hunt. just use the 10/22 at the range. ha! good point about reliability, i seriously blame the fact that the only loads i can find are hollow point. wtf, i just want a FMJ round to plunk some targets. i think it's the HP that jams the autoloader.

/but were you hitting the squirrel in their little squirrel BRAINS?

OK, I've got a few questions:

1) What caused the apocalypse?
2) How did central LA not turn into glass or a plague-yard?
3) Did they have any warning?

I'd probably head for a Super Wal-Mart with 15-20 people in this situation. The local one has a Sam's on the same ground for even more fun. Lots of basic tools, easily fortified building, food on site, and enough space you could grow things on the roof or in the store while signalling for help. Also the auto departments and sportsman sections give you plenty of quick access to ammunition and petrochemicals, and with a still or basic distillation set you could get very creative with the chemicals inside. Radios on site would allow for communication and electricity would not be so hard to come by once generators and batteries were used, they also store lots and lots of water in the food section. Get a few engineers, a doctor or two (with the pharmacy right there for extra points), along with some cops/fighters and about a metric ton of toilet paper as a trade item then you're set for a while.

@ JesseL, your familiarity with the advantages of rimfire/center etc exceeds my own. i take it that .22 ammunition is ONLY available in the rimfire? or is that just the one that ruger uses?

when you're talking about rifle munitions, seems like .223 is almost as light as .22. and should be nearly as plentiful.

my motto is: how much do i have to carry? how much is there out there once they stop making it?

ijason: /but were you hitting the squirrel in their little squirrel BRAINS?

Not usually, no. I do know though that human skulls aren't always that easy to get through with a soft, low-velocity bullet (especially the forehead). Even when the bullet does get through the skull, don't count on it doing a lot of damage. Don't buy the myth about .22s bouncing around inside the skull like a Ronco Inside-The-Shell Electric Egg Scrambler.

ijason: @ ronaprhys, since when is dumping a handful of metal bottle caps into a pipe "baffling". the critical step you're missing is that the baffling needs to be done in a way that DOES NOT OBSTRUCT THE BULLET.

also, a hollow pipe filled with hard impermeable objects and only a single hole would most likely blow apart when you fired the gun. silencers do not work by absorbing the gasses, they dampen and slow it to reduce the volume. a silencer needs to have vents adequate to allow for all of the gasses they have absorbed to escape... they can't simply negate the produced gasses.

if you do a few minutes research you'll find silencers are usually filled with a soft absorbent material, often saturated in oil to absorb as much gas as quickly as possible. metal bottle caps have no capacity to absorb gas as far as i recall.

/but then again, i might just not be fabricatin' them right.

I simply don't think you're picturing this correctly. You've also got to think of twist offs like those on alcoholic beverages. The pipe needs to be sized such that there's not movement of the caps themselves. The caps need to have a hole punched in them larger than said bullet. The caps are also nested in to each other (spooning and all). In the short period of time that the bullet is actually in the silencer, the worry of splintering doesn't bother me too much*. Additionally, the extra space between said round and the diameter of the pipe will help dissipate the noise. It probably won't work nearly as well as an actually designed and manufactured silencer - I'll give you that. But it'll do better and likely last longer than a 2 liter bottle taped on the front.


*Note that this is only something I'd be doing as a last resort.

JesseL: Not usually, no. I do know though that human skulls aren't always that easy to get through with a soft, low-velocity bullet (especially the forehead). Even when the bullet does get through the skull, don't count on it doing a lot of damage. Don't buy the myth about .22s bouncing around inside the skull like a Ronco Inside-The-Shell Electric Egg Scrambler.

I think it would IFF you managed to go through soft tissue first and then impacted the back of the brain cavity.

@ JesseL,. Really? Since when?

since you're trying to have a silencer that's effective as possible. and, depending on how large your silencer is going to be. if you want a single-port silencer you'll need one with enough room in it to drop the pressure from several thousand psi down to under 100. you'll need several multiples of the air-capacity of the barrel to do this. so if you want a small silencer, they're often filled with a soft and oil-soaked material.



and, the previous statement was about building one "on the run" out of things you could find at a hardware store. i think we can both agree simply filling a bit of pipe with metal bottle-caps is a poor idea. and that's being generous.

you could easily fudge a silencer by cross drilling a length of pipe big enough to fit over the front of the gun (we're assuming rifle). and then wrap that drilled pipe in steel wool and spray it down with light machine oil, then sleeve a bigger length of pipe over the whole thing. and i'd go with pvc instead of steel for the outside pipe, to keep the weight down.

ijason: the thing i never see properly addressed in the zombie apocalypse scenarios is who the FARK is running the power plants? anyone who thinks that they're going to survive any kind of "doomsday" situation better get out a map real quick of the local and up-wind nuclear power plants are.

This was actually mentioned in "the world without us." Electric goes out, machinery that relies on either electric power (for cooling pumps, etc) or a nice shutdown of the electric to power off, will go haywire, overheat/burn/whatever, and cause issues.

taurusowner: Nobody ever seems to take crowds into consideration when forming their apocalypse plans. It's always "I'm gonna go to Cabela's to get some guns, then over to the grocery store for supplies" or "I'm gonna drive to my cabin in the woods. I know I can make it out there". But what do you do when you find 400 other people looting Cabela's? 10,000 cars gridlocking all the roads to your cabin? What kills faster? Dehydration or a brick to the head from another looter?

Also this, but usually it comes up in the "what would you do if the world is to end tomorrow?" scenarios. In that case, it really all depends on "who exactly knows that's the situation?" Because all the "I'd go home and see my mom in another state" "I'd call all my relatives" "I'd go to Six Flags" stuff goes out the window when everyone is (1) mass panicking and more basically (2) not going to work to run any infrastructure.

Seems to me that "hole up silently where I am and wait a few days" might be a good plan (assuming you've got basic water/earthquake food, etc) THEN start with the rest of the stuff. Let that first day utter mass panic calm down.

ijason:
and, the previous statement was about building one "on the run" out of things you could find at a hardware store. i think we can both agree simply filling a bit of pipe with metal bottle-caps is a poor idea. and that's being generous.

you could easily fudge a silencer by cross drilling a length of pipe big enough to fit over the front of the gun (we're assuming rifle). and then wrap that drilled pipe in steel wool and spray it down with light machine oil, then sleeve a bigger length of pipe over the whole thing. and i'd go with pvc instead of steel for the outside pipe, to keep the weight down.

Yeah - cause that's exactly how I've explained it. I think I've gone into further detail since then, no?

@ Ron,. well, if you change the description of what you're talking about, of course it changes how it will function.

bah, stupid fark ate my picture, so here it is again.


/not mine, but a good example of how small a multi-ported silencer can be.

ijason: @ JesseL, your familiarity with the advantages of rimfire/center etc exceeds my own. i take it that .22 ammunition is ONLY available in the rimfire? or is that just the one that ruger uses?

When people say ".22", they're almost always talking about rimfire .22 Long Rifle and it's the same thing used in just about any "22" you'll find today. The closest centerfire cartridge would be .25 ACP, which is more reliable in functioning but generally even worse for terminal performance and is pretty well exclusively chambered by pocket pistols.

.223/5.56x45mm is quite a bit heavier/bulkier than .22 long rifle, but it is still easy to find and vastly outperforms .22lr every way, and is still a lot smaller, lighter, and cheaper than stuff like .308 or .30-06.

I've got more .22 rifles than I can keep an accurate count of (see my profile for most of them), but they'd be among my last choices for fighting.

itazurakko: Seems to me that "hole up silently where I am and wait a few days" might be a good plan (assuming you've got basic water/earthquake food, etc) THEN start with the rest of the stuff. Let that first day utter mass panic calm down.

It really depends on the situation. I think that's a big problem with all of these arguments we see here. Everyone wants to break it down into a, "If you don't do this, you're farked.". That's not necessarily always correct. If you live on the outskirts of town and don't plan on taking major highways, you might be able to get to your cabin. If it's a zombie-thing where almost everyone's a zombie, Cabelas could be an option (since almost everyone is dead, no worry of looters).

If you're in the city and egress isn't possible, then holing up would be a good idea. In the burbs, however, there are way too many windows in everyone's home that need to be boarded up (and therefore advertise your presence to looters and potentially zombies).

I think running through the scenarios of:
1 - get safe
2 - get water
3 - get food
4 - get shelter
5 - get armed

not a bad order. As stated in this very thread, however, the situation at hand can change that order. Shelter may be more important if the weather's bad. Safety is of utmost importance if you're likely be attacked. If it's zombies everywhere, shelter may equate to safety (temporarily).

ijason: since you're trying to have a silencer that's effective as possible. and, depending on how large your silencer is going to be. if you want a single-port silencer you'll need one with enough room in it to drop the pressure from several thousand psi down to under 100. you'll need several multiples of the air-capacity of the barrel to do this. so if you want a small silencer, they're often filled with a soft and oil-soaked material.

Can you find an example of a silencer filled with a soft and oil-soaked material? I've seen plenty of them that can run with some water, oil, or grease squirted in for extra effect (the gas is cooled by the evaporation of the added stuff), and I've heard of some that use tough plastic "wipes" that are pierced by the bullet the first time it's used instead of machined baffles.

Interesting sidenote, I got to try out a suppressed H&K USP 45 last Saturday. It had a little too much oil added before I used it. It was really quiet, but very smoky and messy.

ijason: @ Ron,. well, if you change the description of what you're talking about, of course it changes how it will function.

bah, stupid fark ate my picture, so here it is again.


/not mine, but a good example of how small a multi-ported silencer can be.

Dude - I didn't change my description, I went into more detail. In fact, I addressed the post to you with a quote of your post. Scroll down (or up) and see the additional detail.

jdog71: jdog71: I'll just leave this here. Anyone interested in post apocalyptic epic fiction should check it out. Its a fantastic series.

Emberverse Series (new window)

ftfm

I read the first one...I have a few lazy weeks this summer maybe I'll read the rest
/Have knowledge and skills to trade (emergency first aid/ practical herbal coumpounding skills and chemistry, spinning and weaving, farming)
// the war with the feudal thugs was interesting. Forgot to cover the sky...
///we are a social animal after all

Question for you Ballistic Farkers^TM:
I have many shot guns however my only rifles are .22's. Would it be better to bring the .22 and a brick or two? A 1000 rounds only weight a pound or two and the range is MUCH better than my shotguns. Would a .22 round penetrate a zombie's skull (enough to drop it)? I heard a weapon expert once say that if a .22 isn't dead it can either spin off or glance off the average human skull. Would it be better to take my 6 shell Mossberg for close combat [buckshot] and the .22 for long range engagements? I mean, if the people from Dawn of the Dead had a case of .22 bricks they could drop every zombie in that parking lot over the span of a few days right?

buckler: taurusowner: The6502Man: Everybody knows the first thing you scavenge is guns, ammo, hand weapons, water and food. Then you secure your shelter, secure your supplies, insure sanitation, establish a militia, and form a community. Power, showers, and other niceties come later not first.

Gotta re-order your priorities. Water first, then shelter, then food. Sanitation is nice after that, but not required. If you can establish a community after that, more power to you. After that, you worry about sharing or scavenging weapons.

Oo, no, sanitation is top of the list. If your latrines are too close to your water supplies, everything else will be a moot point when your people are all doubled over from e coli poisoning and the raiders come through and decimate your compound.

Although your idea might have been that "sanitation" is more of a discipline than an item, so in that case you're correct. In a crisis situation, it will be necessary to tell idiots not to crap in the water supplies, if you're using a well or stream and not bottles or a cistern.

lilbordr: Question for you Ballistic FarkersTM:

A .22 is better than a sharp stick, but your Mossberg is definitely a better choice when dealing with any kind of close range engagement.

@ Ron, adding more detailed description to what you previously simply described as "a bunch of bottle caps down a pipe" (paraphrased) IS changing the description. if i first tell you i saw a large brown thing, and then later explain that i saw a large brown bear... i have changed the description even though the bear is indeed large and brown.

i admit i did assume you were describing an 'on the run' type situation, since you described the silencer without mentioning any machining or real planning. and, this IS a zombie attack thread, so i would assume most ideas proposed are somewhat ad hoc.

i readily admit that your more detailed explanation sounds much less likely for calamity. but i still would be concerned about such flimsy metal as bottle-caps deforming after a few shots.

@ JesseL, currently my google-fu is failing me to find you some good examples of the filled silencers. the first place i saw them was on a tv show about SAS troops doing wet-works during ww2, and they found that filling the silencers let them drastically reduce their size, while increasing their effectiveness. on that show the insert looked almost like a scrubbing pad, or very thin sponge. it was a metal mesh about a 1/4" thick and sized to wrap completely around the inner barrel of the silencer without overlapping. and then the outer housing would sheath over it and keep it in place.

i would imagine if you could slow the exhaust, without needing as much expansion room, you'd be able to use the silencer without modifying the gun... whereas normal guns (gas operated, anyways) would need modification to use a standard expansion silencer.

/lay opinion.

Gyrfalcon: Although your idea might have been that "sanitation" is more of a discipline than an item, so in that case you're correct.

That's pretty much what I was getting at, yeah. Teaching folks to dig a cat-hole far away from the settlement when they have to poo, as opposed to building a huge isolated latrine and bathing facility.

Olddinosaur's quick and dirty cheapie silencer:

1. Procure a length of 2" PVC pipe 2' long.

2. cap the ends with sliced off sections of an old inner tube.

3. Secure the edges with radiator clamps or duct tape.

4. Cut a slit in one end much smaller than your gun barrel, so it will have to stretch.

4. Practice with it so you know how to apply it when the time comes.

5. Use it once and throw it away, taking pains to dismantle it first.

The programs on Discovery have gone to shiat.

That is all.

because good is dumb: would like to show you how to survive

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The last Cormac McCarthy book I read had a scene giving the term "baby back ribs" an entirely new meaning...

/good book tho', if bleak
//understatement both ways

Two Nifty Zip Guns From Olddinosaur:

1. Procure a length of 3/4" schedule 80 pipe, threaded on one end.

2. Drill a hole 1/16" diameter dead center in a schedule 80 pipe cap.

3. trim off a 6d common nail so it will just barely make contact with a 12 ga. shotgun shell screwed into the pipe. Leave about 1/8" of travel for the nail/firing pin.

4. For a hammer, take any heavy object and wrap it to the handle with rubber bands, so that it strikes the firing pin when the time comes.

5. For safety, wrap the whole thing in several layers of duct tape, so it will not cause injury when (not if) it blows up in your hands.

6. Test it from a distance by tying it to a tree, and firing it with a rope or cord before using it for real.

7. Build several of these guns and practice with them, then dismantle them and hide the pieces somewhere they will not be found.

ZIP GUN II:

1. A good little pistol can be made about the same way.

2. Procure a length of 1/4" schedule 80 pipe, threaded on one end.

3. Follow the same steps for the big gun but use .25 cal. bullets instead of 12 ga. shotgun shells.

4. If quiet detonation is required, you might want to use a pipe threaded on both ends, and expand the barrel by adding a 6" length of pipe 1 and 1/2" or larger. Cover the business end with rubber from an inner tube, and tape it or secure with radiator clamps.

5. As with the big gun, build several and practice with them, keep it dismantled until you need it, and throw it away after the first use. Take it apart forst, and discard the pieces one at a time in various places.

For more information, download :U.S. ARMY TRAINING MANUAL TM-210; "IMPROVISED WEAPONS." Available on the Innertubes through many sources, free.

It is simple, easy to understand---and loaded with good information.

ijason: @ Ron, adding more detailed description to what you previously simply described as "a bunch of bottle caps down a pipe" (paraphrased) IS changing the description. if i first tell you i saw a large brown thing, and then later explain that i saw a large brown bear... i have changed the description even though the bear is indeed large and brown.

i admit i did assume you were describing an 'on the run' type situation, since you described the silencer without mentioning any machining or real planning. and, this IS a zombie attack thread, so i would assume most ideas proposed are somewhat ad hoc.

i readily admit that your more detailed explanation sounds much less likely for calamity. but i still would be concerned about such flimsy metal as bottle-caps deforming after a few shots.

It seems that others had no real problem figuring out what I was talking about. Ad hoc and on the run don't imply a complete lack of prep, though. Knowing how to do so prior to needing to do so is a critical skill, though illegal as hell in the States. However, I'll say that my description initially, with a bit of forethought, only leads to one possible solution and that's the one I described in greater detail.

PMJB or the AC, can't remember which had it.

Need to buy both, though I do have the US Army's field manual for survival and years of being in the Scouts. Probably a good idea of the BSA handbook as well. Lots of practical survival stuff in that, too.

http://www.infinitearms.com/images2/d/6564-1/BSP_SMG_9mm.pdf


This is my favorite zip gun or more accurately zip schmeisser. Link is a 10 megabyte PDF so try save link as if you don't like waiting forever. (new window) Pretty cool instructions on how to build it with parts patterns.

http://www.infinitearms.com/images2/d/6564-1/BSP_SMG_9mm.pdf


This is my favorite zip gun or more accurately zip schmeisser. Link is a 10 megabyte PDF so try save link as if you don't like waiting forever. (new window) Pretty cool instructions on how to build it with parts patterns and fabrication tips.

Note that zip guns are pretty much illegal everywhere.

What, no spidergoats? I won't be turning in then.

/or insert Gamma World snark - your choice

ichiban: Note that zip guns are pretty much illegal everywhere.

As is cannibalism. There's never an apocalyptic cop around when you need one.

way south: .22LR works great, on small stuff.

A properly employed .22 carbine will drop a human being at 100 yards. I posted this in another thread, my little Ruger 10/22 was putting rounds through a steel wheel rim at 50 yards.

I understand the allure of full sized .30 caliber assault rifles, but the Zombie Apocalypse will not be sponsored by the Magical Ammunition Fairy Association and 500 rounds of 7.62mm NATO is HEAVY.

ijason: @ JesseL, i have to admit, i don't hunt. just use the 10/22 at the range. ha! good point about reliability, i seriously blame the fact that the only loads i can find are hollow point. wtf, i just want a FMJ round to plunk some targets. i think it's the HP that jams the autoloader.

/but were you hitting the squirrel in their little squirrel BRAINS?

With the 10/22 it's not usually the shape that causes problems, it's usually bullet/powder weights. I've had bad luck with the lightweight "super velocity" loads. You're not really going to find jacketed non-hollowpoint rounds. Most solid .22LR rounds are just lead or silicone coated lead. I've had the best luck with 40gr loads.

Guysmiley: A properly employed .22 carbine will drop a human being at 100 yards. I posted this in another thread, my little Ruger 10/22 was putting rounds through a steel wheel rim at 50 yards.

Be aware that the difference between 50 yards and 100 yards in not insignificant when speaking of .22 lr ballistics. It may drop a human being at 100 yards, but I wouldn't count on it.

Guysmiley: I understand the allure of full sized .30 caliber assault rifles, but the Zombie Apocalypse will not be sponsored by the Magical Ammunition Fairy Association and 500 rounds of 7.62mm NATO is HEAVY.

Which is why I still like intermediate rifle rounds such as 5.56x45 and 7.62x39.

Guysmiley: With the 10/22 it's not usually the shape that causes problems, it's usually bullet/powder weights. I've had bad luck with the lightweight "super velocity" loads. You're not really going to find jacketed non-hollowpoint rounds. Most solid .22LR rounds are just lead or silicone coated lead. I've had the best luck with 40gr loads.

You want the CCI Mini-Mag HV.

IWood: krispos42: Zombies?

Cool. Let me get my 10/22 with a dozen 50-round magazines ready.


Head shots, I got them. PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW.

A 10/22? The zombies will find your brains tasty, friend.

A .22 will punch through both sides of a steel drum at point-blank range. More than enough to penetrate a zombie skull at 50 yards or so then ricochet around inside the brain case. The Swiss Cheese effect.

And I can carry 3 or 4 .22 rounds for one .223 or 7.62x39 round. You'll run out long before I will!

Luthiel: krispos42: Zombies?

Cool. Let me get my 10/22 with a dozen 50-round magazines ready.


Head shots, I got them. PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW.

Despite what Max Brooks keeps saying in his books, I really don't think anything firing .22 LR rounds is a good choice for the zombie apocalypse. Great for zombies, perhaps, but against hostile, living targets... not so much.

That's why God made handguns... :-)


Although another possibility is something like a Ruger PC9 9mm carbine and a Ruger P95 teamed up... they both shoot 9mm ammo from the same 15-round magazines, so I would just need one type of ammo and one type of mag. Compatability.

Or something like a lever-action .357 Mag teamed up with a .357 revolver. Those Marlins hold 10 rounds, which isn't too bad.

/I think about this too much

wh0mprat: Tastes Like Chicken: In the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd rather a suit of full-plate or chain mail, or at the very least some kind of SWAT combat armor, and a sledge hammer or other bludgeoning weapon. I'd carry a shotgun for safety and last resort scenarios, but most of the time I'd just bludgeon their brains out. A hammer's quieter than a gun, it never runs out of ammo, and it's hella easier to find than ammo will be.

Motocross boots, hockey or football pads and a goalie mask :)

Casey Jones?

duly noted, thanks subby

eas81: History channel already covered this:

Life after people (new window)

And National Geographic Channel covered this a year before History jumped on the bandwagon.

Aftermath: Population Zero (new window)

krispos42: A .22 will punch through both sides of a steel drum at point-blank range. More than enough to penetrate a zombie skull at 50 yards or so then ricochet around inside the brain case. The Swiss Cheese effect.

And I can carry 3 or 4 .22 rounds for one .223 or 7.62x39 round. You'll run out long before I will!

Do you ever wonder if there's a reason that police, military, and hunters of medium game don't use .22s?

Maybe they know something you don't.

JesseL: Do you ever wonder if there's a reason that police, military, and hunters of medium game don't use .22s?

Maybe they know something you don't.

I don't get the issue here and why folks don't seem to understand. If one round of 7.62x39 is roughly equivalent to 4 rounds of .22LR, but it takes 4 rounds of the .22LR to drop said target in most instances, all you've done is waste time and increased your need for reloads - all while exposing yourself to more danger. That doesn't mean don't have them - it means don't prefer them over something more reliable.

While the .22LR may be more available, it's not like the 7.62x39 isn't everywhere, either.

I predict lots of unnecessary drama to boost ratings. This will be Discovery's next step toward becoming a trashy entertainment channel.