This will be lost in the noise, but consider:

When easy federal loans became available for 4 year schools, the cost of University skyrocketed.

When easy federal money becomes available for 2 year schools, the cost of Community College will skyrocket.

All partisanship aside, this proposal is not a Good Plan. In the end, it will result in more impoverishment and less education.

Nothing2SeeHere: Ok, so now not only do I get to pay for other people's health care, I also get to pay for other people to go to college?

Can't I just adopt a poor ghetto child and call it a day?

Typical example of a short-sighted moron. If this country would have listened to asshole opinions like this, this country would not have become the superpower we are now. Thank god we had leaders who understood the need to educate the population which they knew would lead to everyone having a higher quality of life.

I feel with Obama, this country is getting back to the basics of what made this country great. I know everyone gets a chubby when they hear how we're the only superpower in the world but how do you think we got there.

It pisses me off to hear jerkoffs like this, living in this great country today, benefiting from the programs put in place decades ago and then turn around and reject doing the same things for future generations.

o5iiawah: matrygg: o5iiawah:
/Might I suggest an English Grammar class next semester? Or heck, summer school?
//I really don't think unwed mothers don't act a day over 17. And if they are at your college, you should applaud them and kiss their feet because they are working hard to improve their lives.

putting psychology 101 texbooks on one's credit card does not a better life make. Im an engineer, I dont need grammar classes for the interwebs.

First off, philosophy is interested in what makes a better life. Psychology is concerned with the study of the mind and how it functions.

Secondly, the notion that an engineer doesn't need to be able to communicate to others is bullshiat. I can, and have, gotten programming gigs in part because I could communicate to the salespeople what we needed as IT to do our jobs. Without the ability to communicate, you're just a robot who gets mad at the bad info you get from the operators.

/Yes, I used to be a web developer/DBA.
//I hated it, now I'm working on my PhD in English.
///it takes all kinds.

my language whilst farking is different than the language I use at work. I actually have my BA in what some might consider a "liberal" discipline.

Why? Does Fark not need clarity and proper grammar?

I know a guy who did terrible in high school. He finally got his act together and enrolled in a community college. He got straight A's and transferred to UT Austin, and graduated with a degree in MIS. His grades at UT were good enough that he could probably have transferred to Rice. He was a smart guy that just goofed off in high school. It's good that we have institutions like CCs for people needing a second chance after high school.

I don't understand the hate for CCs. I spent my first years of college at them (Tarrant County, TX) and with a few exceptions, the education was great. I think the largest class had less than 40 students, and you could actually TALK to your teacher!

Compare this to first-year classes at a major uni (300 students, you are lucky of you can talk to a TA, let alone an instructor).

Also, since I took most of my classes at night, the teachers were mostly working professionals who actually DID what they taught during the daytime. That meant I learned C and C++ from a guy who owned a consulting company and wrote code for a living, all day, every day. Plus, most of the other students were older working people who were there by THEIR choice, not just because mommy and daddy told them they should be there.

Almost ALL of my classes transfered to a major school, and not only were the classes at the CC better, but they were 1/4 the cost of those same classes at even a state university.

thrasherrr: This will be lost in the noise, but consider:

When easy federal loans became available for 4 year schools, the cost of University skyrocketed.

When easy federal money becomes available for 2 year schools, the cost of Community College will skyrocket.

All partisanship aside, this proposal is not a Good Plan. In the end, it will result in more impoverishment and less education.

The costs of college education skyrocketed in California when a bunch of selfish asshats used "poor old people" tactics to get prop 13 passed. Now the only people who don't get property tax readjustments are corporations who set up dummy companies to hold their property so that when/if they sell the property, instead of selling the property and having the taxes reassessed at current land values, they sell the company and continue to have large lots taxed on what they were worth 30 years ago.

Can anyone explain how a Comunity College is different than any First Year at a college or university?

Anyone who looks down on people getting ANY type of education is either a moron or an egotistical farkwad.

AND NO! I didn't misspell Community because I myself skipped out on college. It was a typo.

/preemptive strike

poot_rootbeer: Arklop: As a fully-trained and licensed ditch digger, I resent your dismissive attitude of my highly skilled profession.

Shenanigans. If you were really fully licensed, you'd be using the official title as adopted by the trade organization: Certified Soil Displacement Engineer.

/or "CSDE" for short


Sorry, but the Digger's Guild voted that title away years ago. Now we go by "Licensed Earth Relocation Technicians."

Odd The Viking: I don't understand the hate for CCs.


If you spent 5-6 years paying fraternity fees and wondering why you weren't getting the Animal House experience at an expensive university, it's possible you'd be kinda pissed off that somebody else managed the same degree at a fraction of the student loans by going to community college for 4 semesters and then transferring. I think we're seeing a lot of that kind of frustration here today. If somebody yells "Food fight!", you know he's going to target you, Odd.

I had a great experience going to a CC for two years before transferring to a university. I got all the bullshiat out of the way (basic writing courses, college math, all the prerequisites for my degree) and saved a ton in tuition. Sure, I had less time to schmooze with professors and department heads which will make applying to grad school a little more difficult but I wouldn't do it any other way.

azazyel: dlime16: As someone going to a CC I have to say they are pretty hit or miss. I went on the advice that a lot of you are repeating here. However, I'm currently taking classes that are about HS level, most of the people are barely literate, and my professors range from barely competent to annoying liberal douchebags who think the classroom is a soap box (yeah, I know a 4 year has those too but they just feel so much less appropriate at a 2 year). I'm sure there are good ones but I'm not at one.

/Not sure if I can finish without kicking one of the unwed mothers in the stomach.


Let me guess something here. When you write a paper that goes against those 'liberal' values and you get a poor grade it's because they're 'liberal douchebags", correct?

Ohhh, close but no! I did fine in their classes. My complaint is that their class is no place for them to stand there and go on about how they disagree about the war, bush, and so on. Even if I do agree with most of their points I don't need them wasting class time to stand on a soap box.

what the hell do we need that much food from McDonald's for?

Oh rush on down to the CC and get those AA's so you can be a manager at McDonalds. And the fun part will be thinking of your grandchildren paying the debt when they get there following your example.. my oh my.. spend spend Obama, and your follower's will relish each and every unearned entitlement you hand them. Oh well. nuff said

At just the time that tons or workers are laid off, and thus have time an motivation to learn some skills, or maybe just learn English, many states are cutting community college funding.

It's nuts. A depression is the time to retrench and retrain the workforce.

/oops, did I say depression?

Death to New Rome: I'm having my doubts about... these local community colleges and degree mills? Come on...

There is no bigger degree mill than UCLA. I have yet to meet a PhD graduated from there within the last 10 years that knows their ass from a hole in the ground. They don't teach science.

I will never hire anyone whose PhD is from UCLA.

scott-ty: Oh rush on down to the CC and get those AA's so you can be a manager at McDonalds. And the fun part will be thinking of your grandchildren paying the debt when they get there following your example.. my oh my.. spend spend Obama, and your follower's will relish each and every unearned entitlement you hand them. Oh well. nuff said

0/10. Come on, it's like you're not even trying.

Can we please stop dumping money that we do not have into things that may or may not make a difference. I never went to college and have held a 28,000.00 a year job when I was 25. People College educations may or may not pan out.

I went to CC, Interestingly enough it had the best program in the nation for my degree (welding engineering).

Now I work on nuclear submarines as a welding engineer, after some years in the field as a welder.

people don't realize that there are still many profitable, viable and necessary career paths that aren't offered at traditional four year universities.

All the prestigious engineering schools like MIT and big state schools like ohio state and university of michigan don't offer my degrees, and the ones that do don't offer hands on welding training.

I was very happy with the training and skills i picked up and I would do it again. If I ever have college bound children I'll encourage them to goto CC just for the savings and to get an A.A in something useful on their way to what ever

He not even trying to hide the fact that he's ruining the economy anymore.


just WTF Obama...wtf...

HenryFnord: Can we call them what they are - vocational schools?

They aren't that. Vocational schools are ITT, Devry, et al. Community Colleges, while they have some vocational Associate degrees, most start here to gain a Bachelor's, by ridding themselves of the stupid courses you have to take just to take the real stuff. It's cheaper is some cases, and most credits convert over. You can't do that with a VS.

ITT and DeVry are diploma mills, not vocational schools.

And yes, you can get an Associate's at a vocational school and have the credits transfer. I got an AAS in commercial HVAC, and I'm rolling it into Minnesota State University Moorhead for a BS in Operations Management.